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[TouKen4Life3g]

Has it been a week since the Boruto manga came out yet? You know so we can see its sales?

Tomorrow.

I expect to do well for debut thanks to Mizuki one shot and its name (Naruto).

[Bail o' Lies]

Tomorrow.

I expect to do well for debut thanks to Mizuki one shot and its name (Naruto).

mmrmm Are people really going to buy that volume for that mess of a one shot and kishi art?

[TouKen4Life3g]

mmrmm Are people really going to buy that volume for that mess of a one shot and kishi art?

Hardcore. Toxic or not, there are people out there.

[BlackBird19]

Remember that the numbers aren't exact right away. They usually only show what's been ordered or distributed to retailers before they actually have an exact sales number.

[NeonRanger]

Even then, numbers won't be too accurate. Remember the first three(?) volumes are a repeat of the movie.

 

At best, I would expect 100,000-250,000 in sales, at worst 50,000. Up or down; I doubt over 800,000. And I think the franchise knows that as well, which is why they are promoting extras features when you buy the first volume. Like I said the first volumes are a repeat of the movie. Not many are going to buy them, if they already watch it have the movie. 

 

The real, or accurate, sales won't be until the "Boruto: The Movie" is actually completed; the new material or the manga. How people react to the new material will obviously determine actual sales. Til then the sales might just be about 100,000, because no one is interested in a rehash of a movie they already seen. 

 

I could be wrong as well. 

[Phantom_999]

Which is not good because I want this GONE.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Which is not good because I want this GONE.

Ignoring it is the way to go.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Tomorrow.

I expect to do well for debut thanks to Mizuki one shot and its name (Naruto).

well. The vol must surpassed the  600k copies sold in its first that the Naruto Gaiden had.

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 10 August 2016 - 04:00 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The number is out.

Under 200K. Well, that's a significant drop. Granted it will still pay the bill but it's the case of milk it again like another new generation, it will die.

Now then, time to see how long it can stand.

[Nostradamus]

The number is out.

Under 200K. Well, that's a significant drop. Granted it will still pay the bill but it's the case of milk it again like another new generation, it will die.

Now then, time to see how long it can stand.

So they'll be searching for this:

[Bail o' Lies]

The number is out.

Under 200K. Well, that's a significant drop. Granted it will still pay the bill but it's the case of milk it again like another new generation, it will die.

Now then, time to see how long it can stand.

Well that made my day.

 

Hey 4life when did SP announce it was cancelling the anime? Cause if they announced it in the past seven days the answer is, that they were able to see the volume initial sales numbers and were not impressed.

 

I think honestly that this first volume was a test by SJ to see how initially popular Boruto was and how many fans it had left over from Naruto. It is the only thing that explains the 3 chapter volume. Most monthly manga normally have between 5-10 (leaning on the 10 side) chapters in each volume. So this was a test by them to see how it was doing and the answer is not well.

 

Now let us look at why this sold so poorly....to what it should/hoped it would be selling:

It is the culmination of everything bad that has happen to the Naruto franchise in the past 2 years. If not more.

It is based on an unlikable main character.

It is heroine is wearing a very age inappropriate outfit.

It spoils its entire plot, and killed off the old main character in the first chapter.

It is a rehash of a movie that wasn't even a year old yet and who's dvd/blue-ray disk came out a few weeks back.

Its art is very inconsistent chapter to chapter sometime even page to page.

It is only a three chapter volume.

it is based on a monthly series.

It is the continuation of a dying series.

And nothing interesting has happened in the story yet to get people wanting to buy this volume when they know this part of the story won't be complete until at the very least volume 3.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 10 August 2016 - 11:47 PM.

[Yyubie]

Even though first volume is flop, it's still understandable. Because so far it's done nothing than retelling the Boruto movie, no wonder it's sale flop.

The second volume will be the deciding factor.

[Bail o' Lies]

Even though first volume is flop, it's still understandable. Because so far it's done nothing than retelling the Boruto movie, no wonder it's sale flop.

The second volume will be the deciding factor.

It will the same thing: retelling the movie. There won't be anything new until at best volume 3.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 10 August 2016 - 11:57 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I wouldn't say they cancelled the anime but I think they run its course and thankfully for them, they have novels to work on before saying goodbye for good.

[Bail o' Lies]

I wouldn't say they cancelled the anime but I think they run its course and thankfully for them, they have novels to work on before saying goodbye for good.

You didn't answer when that news came out? And it less it running it course and more "What the manga we were holding out for by doing all these filler these past two years is probably going to flop?! Fine. Lets end the main story this year. Next year will do the novels. If it doesn't shape up by that point. We will move on to something else."

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 11 August 2016 - 01:10 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

SP is trying to find a successor. So far, no luck.

[BlackBird19]

Even though the numbers only came out to 183k, some people still think it did really well considering it was #1 for the week. Beating Gintama, Nisekoi and Toriko. But those three are coming to an end so take that for what it's worth.

[Bail o' Lies]

Even though the numbers only came out to 183k, some people still think it did really well considering it was #1 for the week. Beating Gintama, Nisekoi and Toriko. But those three are coming to an end so take that for what it's worth.

Not sure about gintama. But Toriko has never recovered from it anime being cancelled and from what i understand is being forced to end soon. Nisekoi has finally ended and one of the few thing i have ever heard about this series was the fan thought that "the story was going on too long and should end soon." Which i heard before it reach chapter 50, it ended near chapter 232 if i recall.

 

The thing is Boruto did exceptionally well for any average manga. The problem Boruto isn't some any new average manga and companies had high expectations for it. Also it is less a sequel to Naruto as it is Part 3 a continuation of the Naruto story. Most stories will have some time to itself after it ended before a sequel is announced. Boruto was announced at the end of Naruto: The Last Movie. Then after that they have never stopped announcing that Boruto was happening that a movie was coming out or a gaiden or a new manga.

 

So looking at it like that:

Naruto manga by the end normally got around or over a million in their first week ~1,000,000~

The last volume first week was had about eight hundred thousand in sales. ~800,000~

The gaiden from what i recall (could be wrong) had about six hundred thousand in first week sales. ~600,000~

Now Boruto has around a hundred and eighty thousand in sales ~180,000~

 

The franchise is hemorrhaging fans.

 

This is why they are ending the anime this year. SP can't afford to hope that Boruto may get better. They got to pay their bill so instead of spending resources on a failing series. They are ending the main story this year. Then next year they'll do some of the novels. If Boruto hasn't shaped up by then. They will find another series to be their cash cow.

 

Edit Oh, Sakura was in that death battle spin off and i think she was the first Naruto character to win their match. Naruto lost to Luffy in One minute melee, and Gaara lost to Toph in Death battle. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 11 August 2016 - 07:42 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

183K first week sales? That's a major flop of a legendary manga franchise. That's what happen as what everyone said that they rehashed too much of the Boruto film.

 

SP is trying to find a successor. So far, no luck.

 

So they are intentionally trying to quit the anime and passed on the dump to another company?

[Bail o' Lies]

183K first week sales? That's a major flop of a legendary manga franchise. That's what happen as what everyone said that they rehashed too much of the Boruto film.

 

 

So they are intentionally trying to quit the anime and passed on the dump to another company?

No, SP are looking for another series they could make profits off of.

 

As for Naruto SP has too close a tie to Shueisha to just outright cancel Naruto. Most of SP anime are based off Shueisha series. So instead they are "finishing" Naruto this year. Then they will do the novels next year, and then they will look at Boruto's volume sales (and if they are the same or lower then they are now) they will tell Shueisha "its potential profit are not enough to risk spending resources on an anime."  Once SP refuses to do Boruto that is going to look bad. SP once again has very close ties to Shueisha, it has done or been involved in every Naruto related product for the past fourteen years. Once the refuse to do the anime Shueisha can not go to another studio to do a Boruto anime without losing face.

 

The thing is everything since the backlash started and they realized the western nH fans weren't worth that much, all Shueisha  has been doing is trying to save face for their executive meddling mistake. Once SP refuses to do the anime they can't go to another studio because that would make them lose face. So instead what they are more likely to do is to order Ikemoto, Kishimoto, and Kodachi to end the series a quickly as possible. Because without an anime it won't make as much profits could. Which means it taking up space in there magazine that could be filled by another manga that could get an anime and make them profits. Then they will have them do interview explaining why they are ending the manga so soon. It would be face saving BS of course.

 

If this is the case Boruto manga life expectancy is about 2 to 3 years. If what I am guessing is correct and it doesn't somehow change it luck around.

 

I wonder how the Japanese are reacting?

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 11 August 2016 - 08:35 AM.