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#2241 Torxe

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 08:57 AM

QUOTE (ShippudenGirl @ Mar 14 2011, 05:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh, my. I don't believe we need more Hinata talk. I don't see how she is a threat to NS. As of Manga now, she's nothing; it's the hype her fans put in about her that make her (in general) a threat to NS. Obviously her confession was not important to the Manga; has it been mentioned once since it happened? There were opportunities but nothing has happened. Her hype is so pointless.


My anti NS statement. (And smthng that bothers me from a pro NS pov too):

Sakura's confession to Naruto hasn't been mentioned too, although they did discuss it a bit during the confession.

In support of the Sakura we once knew:

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 01:11 PM

NH Has no chance sleep.gif` Even if NS won`t happen(very unlikely)
That means that Hinate is second choice. Who would be like second choice sad.gif
But it is already proven that Naruto loves Sakura Ch 457 Naruto admits that he loves Sakura wub.gif
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Posted 14 March 2011 - 02:57 PM

QUOTE (Torxe @ Mar 14 2011, 08:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My anti NS statement. (And smthng that bothers me from a pro NS pov too):

Sakura's confession to Naruto hasn't been mentioned too, although they did discuss it a bit during the confession.


That no anti NS at all. huh.gif
that confesson will be addressed because its concerns the main hero and main heroine and its important to the story. it will come up at the right time.
Hinatas confession was 70 chapters ago or more it won't be addressed because its not important. their where scenes where it was the right time to talk but Kishi already put closure to it and that smile she gave in chap 450 was the sign. but the main reason? it was confirmed AFTER that Naruto truly loves Sakura the girl whos was by his side for years. Hinata not going to get in the way shes happy for them lol he barley knows her.

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 03:08 PM

YAY, I suck at anti NS biggrin.gif

but the there already have been scenes enough for Naruto and Sakura to talk about what happened in chapter 469-470 (like when she informed Naruto that Tsunade was awake in the Ichiraku ramen stand)

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Posted 14 March 2011 - 05:27 PM

QUOTE (Torxe @ Mar 14 2011, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
YAY, I suck at anti NS biggrin.gif

but the there already have been scenes enough for Naruto and Sakura to talk about what happened in chapter 469-470 (like when she informed Naruto that Tsunade was awake in the Ichiraku ramen stand)


this manga is not a romance and its just not the right time to bring it up now while people are preparing for war.
Kishi is teasing us. things are good right now.(i loved Sakuras smile during that scene happy.gif ) when the next NaruSaku moment happens it will be brought up again. its to big of a situation concerning their relationship not to.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 02:18 AM

I'm good at this anti-NS either but we have to keep the thread going some how and it would easier if we had our rivals here but we don't which is a major plus at this point of the manga.
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Posted 15 March 2011 - 02:26 AM

how about if jiraiya never died by the hands of pain. i mean what if he won his battle what would of happend would he or Tsunade have goten together? what would have ben the pros an cons? would it have affected our fav couple?

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 04:46 AM

QUOTE (jason voorhees @ Mar 14 2011, 08:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how about if jiraiya never died by the hands of pain. i mean what if he won his battle what would of happend would he or Tsunade have goten together? what would have ben the pros an cons? would it have affected our fav couple?



First, they would not get together. The little thing before he died was just there to epic-ify his death. There is no reason to think they'd get together

Second, I doubt it would have much effect. Most of it would be negative because Naruto would never fight Pain, train in senjustu etc. so we're better off with Jiraya dead.

Jiraya's death is an event that gives good plot/character development. I see no point in this. ermm.gif really. I don't see how Jiraya could do any good by not dying. It was his time, unfortunately shamefulcry0js.gif

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 04:55 AM

QUOTE (The Tax-Man @ Mar 15 2011, 04:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First, they would not get together. The little thing before he died was just there to epic-ify his death. There is no reason to think they'd get together

Second, I doubt it would have much effect. Most of it would be negative because Naruto would never fight Pain, train in senjustu etc. so we're better off with Jiraya dead.

Jiraya's death is an event that gives good plot/character development. I see no point in this. ermm.gif really. I don't see how Jiraya could do any good by not dying. It was his time, unfortunately shamefulcry0js.gif


huh.gif wtf? epicify lol they would have got together. Kishi showed us Tsunade was feeling the same way he did about her. but then Jiraya got killed.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 05:39 AM

Jiraiya's death was a classic move...the master needs to die for the student to grow, same like Dumbledore needed to die for Harry to grow.
Whether Tsunade and him would have got together - I'm quite doubtful. Personally, I think they had reached the stage of 'too late', and where happy with what they shared. Tsunade may had some regrets AFTER Jiraiya's death, that's the 'regret when losing someone' syndrome.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 06:15 AM

QUOTE (Living Lavish @ Mar 15 2011, 12:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
huh.gif wtf? epicify lol they would have got together. Kishi showed us Tsunade was feeling the same way he did about her. but then Jiraya got killed.


Yep, Tsunade figured out Jiraiya had been in love with her all those years, (he finally almost confessed his feelings, before he tried to make a joke out of it. Tsunade saw through his game finally) and her words before she got news he was dead, when she was crying and talking to Shizune was how she going to knock him right out of his delusion about them never getting together. Jiraiya also hinted he was done playing around, he was going to be serious from now on if he made it back. The way he said that to her had the vibe he was meaning more than as a ninja, personally too. I think subconsciously he was picking up on the vibe from her, and she did cry for him and try to get him to call for her if he got in too much danger. When he knew he was dying it was better for him to pretend he'd never get through to her that he was in love with her rather than acknowledge what his subconscious knew, she would be waiting for him for him to return and in love with him.
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Posted 15 March 2011 - 06:23 AM

QUOTE (Hopestar @ Mar 11 2011, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How do we know if Naruto still maintains romance feelings of Sakura?

a) Naruto's words to Sasuke in chapter 457, and the fact that it was brought up AFTER Hinata's confession regardless of taking place BEFORE it.
b) Naruto's INITIAL reaction to Sakura's confession was a shocked expression and a BLUSH, which is a pretty solid hint to me that his romantic feelings for Sakura haven't changed since his initial talk with Sai.
c) There's been nothing to suggest since that point in time that his feelings for Sakura have changed in any significant way - he obviously doesn't hate Sakura despite what he said ("I hate people who lie to themselves"), he seemed to have changed his initial perception of the confession (from "you're lying to yourself" to "She was hiding something,") sometime after Sakura yelled at him, and before his talk with Sai began, and the fact that he has interacted cheerfully with her since that point in time.
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Why Sakura & Naruto didn't confront each other about what happen between them before they had their former team 7 reunion?

They were both angry, and Sakura wasn't about to divulge anything because a) she thought telling Naruto about what was really going on would hurt him (according to Sai) and b) they were both upset and frustrated with each other (Sakura for hiding something and Naruto for being stubborn/saying she's lying).

After the summit reunion, the confession could have not been brought up for any number of reasons. Dragging out the suspense in the romance sub-plot, or because Naruto doesn't want to broach the subject until after he's rescued Sasuke/fulfilled the POAL (recall this is still his reason for not telling Sakura how he feels about her), or because Sakura doesn't feel comfortable bringing up the topic again when it went so badly the first time or because Sakura isn't really sure what she feels for Naruto and/or Sasuke and wants to figure it out first before trying again. Or, as distasteful as it would be to us NS fans, maybe its even because the issue of romance was addressed and they've decided that they're just going to be friends/let the topic be forgotten forever.

Though in all honesty, after all the development NS has received throughout the entire manga, I have a hard time believing that the last one I mentioned is actually the case here.
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Why Naruto doesn't include Sakura in everything? I mean the girl can hold on her own without her male teammates since she is trained by Tsunade.

To be completely honest, Sakura can't hold her own against the same caliber ninjas that Naruto can - and it's not anything against her specifically, because she certainly is an incredibly strong and competent ninja in her own right.

But Naruto and Sasuke are in a league of their own now, along with Madara and Kabuto. Sakura, along with the rest of the rookies, simply are not capable of keeping up.

That being said, the only thing that Naruto's done without telling Sakura about specifically is going to talk to the Raikage about forgiving Sasuke. He wasn't planning to fight anyone, and Sakura had proven during their encounter with Omoi and Karui that Sasuke was still an incredibly sensitive topic for her. After being beaten up, as well, he didn't want Sakura to worry. Not to mention that what they were doing was illegal (recall that the ninjas were supposed to stay in their respective village during the kage meeting). Naruto likely would have gone alone if he had known where to find the Raikage.

Also, you need to consider that Sakura has also purposefully withheld information from Naruto in order to protect him as well - it's a two way street. She lied about where her Kyuubi wound came from, she lied to him about the rookie's decision to kill Sasuke and that she planned to kill Sasuke herself, and she, along with everyone else, is not telling Naruto about the war.

This fault lies on both of their shoulders, not just Naruto's, and not just Sakura's. At least this fault grew out of good intentions, how ever.
QUOTE (Madz @ Mar 12 2011, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, my part of just for the sake of keeping the debate on...
There is a point which I wanted someone to clarify or reassure me on.
First of all, I know that usually the movies (or the animes) should not be taken into consideration...But sill, I wanted to discuss of the last Movie - the Will Of Fire.
When the whole group of friends gathered in the restaurant, (intending on Shikamaru to pay) It was Hinata who invited all the others on the request of Naruto (she said so.)
So, I always wondered,
- did it meant that she visited Naruto ALONE while he was recuperating in the hospital? (since it implied that the others were not there when Naruto told her to invite them at the restaurant.)
- Doesn't this task given by Naruto (of her inviting all the others) seem quite...intimate to you? I mean, usually you would want your girlfriend (or wife or fiancee) to invite others on your behalf...right?

I was very disturbed when Hinata announced that Naruto had asked her to tell the others...So, am I being parano without any reason? huh.gif

Well they couldn't have Sakura do it, because Naruto and Sai weren't supposed to be out of the hospital - recall that when she found the two of them there she slapped them silly and dragged them back to the hospital.

As for why it was Hinata, I always figured she the first of his friends that he encountered after the idea of having a party popped into his head, and so he asked her. I don't think that it was meant to imply anything from Naruto to Hinata in any sort of significant way.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 06:54 AM

This was comment on a youtube video. I thought it was pretty lulzy. What's your guy's take on it?

I have always liked narusaku at the start. Now, it's stupid and diguesting. Naruto doesn't love sakura...he only has a pervy crush on her. Sakura did a fake confession. She deserved to be rejected. We see that kishi wants us to see and like naruhina. He's trying to convince us. You know I didn't know and did not like at the start...but now he showed us alot of things...I'm actually on kishis side now...dunno about u "narusaku" fans

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 07:40 AM

QUOTE (fooby_tkw @ Mar 15 2011, 06:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This was comment on a youtube video. I thought it was pretty lulzy. What's your guy's take on it?

I have always liked narusaku at the start. Now, it's stupid and diguesting. Naruto doesn't love sakura...he only has a pervy crush on her. Sakura did a fake confession. She deserved to be rejected. We see that kishi wants us to see and like naruhina. He's trying to convince us. You know I didn't know and did not like at the start...but now he showed us alot of things...I'm actually on kishis side now...dunno about u "narusaku" fans



yea kishi has been "showing" us that it was NH all this time.... rolleyes.gif

seriously? naruto has a pervy crush? why would he pick the flat-chested chick then, why didnt he just go for ino, or hinata then??

(im not even touching on the second part)

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 07:41 AM

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This was comment on a youtube video. I thought it was pretty lulzy. What's your guy's take on it?


I exactly knew what I could expect when you said "youtube". I'd advise you not waste your time with that tripe.

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I have always liked narusaku at the start.


I know I don't know that person, but I highly doubt that after reading his/her next comments.

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Naruto doesn't love sakura...he only has a pervy crush on her.


Based on WHAT?

in the third chapter he stated he liked Sakura and stated his reasons: she was cute AND they were kindred souls. Since that chapter he has sacrificed himself for her, has believed in her when nobody apparently did, has encouraged her up, has fought to nearly death for her, has been willing give up his heart for her (and he is the guy never gives up), has praised her beauty and her skills, has blushed when she has tried feeding him...

I have never seen him stating he likes Sakura because she is sexy or drooling about her body, or physically harassing her. So where that pervy crush comes from?

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Sakura did a fake confession.


The author stated he tried showing she was being honest (if he achieved that aim or not, it is another matter). Therefore, canonically she was being honest about her feelings for Naruto, and if you refuse believing it, it is your trouble.

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She deserved to be rejected.


Read again the chapter: He did NOT reject her. He never rejected her. He never said he didn't love her back or he didn't want becoming her lover or he didn't believe she loved him. He stated he thought she was deluding herself when she said she was over Sasuke. That is another entirely different matter.

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We see that kishi wants us to see and like naruhina. He's trying to convince us.


Huh? No. He isn't. Otherwise he would be trying developing a bond between Naruto and Hinata and he would be beating us over the head constantly with the awesomeness of NH and Naruto and Hinata being the perfect couple.

Instead Hinata simled when Sakura hugged Naruto and didn't even tried approaching to him. Naruto has ignored or disregarded Hinata's confession, he has not talked to her after nearly one hundred chapters in spite of having plenty chances to do so (we didn't even see Naruto approaching to Hinata and stating "Thank you for trying saving me"), has stated again he loves Sakura... Jesus, during the meeting with the ex-gennin, Hinata stood five meters behind him, and Naruto didn't talk to her. He not even glanced at her direction. And she never tried talking with him either.

No, Kishimoto don't want we see and like NH and he isn't trying convincing us.

And after refuting your statements I am convinced you haven't read the manga.

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You know I didn't know and did not like at the start...but now he showed us alot of things...I'm actually on kishis side now...dunno about u "narusaku" fans


I regret being harsh, but not, you are not. You aren't on Kishimoto's side and you never liked NS. You are a NH fan is pretending having liked NS in order to seem enlightened and realistic.

And what were the quotation marks for?

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 07:48 AM

@Paptala

I flipping LOVE your AMV's!!!

*Ahem*

Anyway, the person that made that comment was obviously confused. In part one they show feeling, but definitely not like they do in part two. Also, if that person switched sides randomly like that they obviously were never an NS fan; maybe just another basher trying to convince us otherwise. Another thing, Kishimoto doesn't have a "side" so I have no idea what the hell they're talking about. I never found anything about NaruHina to be convincing in the least. 'Course I respect the NH fans for standing up for their favorite pairing, but calling NS disgusting and such makes their arguments against us pathetically weak. I would just love to have a giant debate against a hardcore NH fan — it would be a real slap in the face for them once they start pulling out last ditch attempts like "NS can't happen because Sakura loves Sasuke" or "Naruto said she was lying" or the infamous "Hinata loved Naruto through the whole series." I have so many rebuttals it's ridiculous. They usually start saying NS is disgusting when they have no answers, and that's why I believe they bash so harshly. Once you start rebuttaling them in ways they have absolutely no way to respond, they get personal. I've seen it all too many times.
Ah, too bad, SS and NH are getting worse and worse with bashing. That's what happens when their pairing possiblity is so damn weak and they can't come up with more facts.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 08:56 AM

Yeah I read the comment and laughed to myself. It was pretty funny even by youtube standards. It wasn't even on a naruto-related vid. But reading it made me think of this place.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 11:23 AM

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I exactly knew what I could expect when you said "youtube". I'd advise you not waste your time with that tripe.



I know I don't know that person, but I highly doubt that after reading his/her next comments.



Based on WHAT?

in the third chapter he stated he liked Sakura and stated his reasons: she was cute AND they were kindred souls. Since that chapter he has sacrificed himself for her, has believed in her when nobody apparently did, has encouraged her up, has fought to nearly death for her, has been willing give up his heart for her (and he is the guy never gives up), has praised her beauty and her skills, has blushed when she has tried feeding him...

I have never seen him stating he likes Sakura because she is sexy or drooling about her body, or physically harassing her. So where that pervy crush comes from?



The author stated he tried showing she was being honest (if he achieved that aim or not, it is another matter). Therefore, canonically she was being honest about her feelings for Naruto, and if you refuse believing it, it is your trouble.



Read again the chapter: He did NOT reject her. He never rejected her. He never said he didn't love her back or he didn't want becoming her lover or he didn't believe she loved him. He stated he thought she was deluding herself when she said she was over Sasuke. That is another entirely different matter.



Huh? No. He isn't. Otherwise he would be trying developing a bond between Naruto and Hinata and he would be beating us over the head constantly with the awesomeness of NH and Naruto and Hinata being the perfect couple.

Instead Hinata simled when Sakura hugged Naruto and didn't even tried approaching to him. Naruto has ignored or disregarded Hinata's confession, he has not talked to her after nearly one hundred chapters in spite of having plenty chances to do so (we didn't even see Naruto approaching to Hinata and stating "Thank you for trying saving me"), has stated again he loves Sakura... Jesus, during the meeting with the ex-gennin, Hinata stood five meters behind him, and Naruto didn't talk to her. He not even glanced at her direction. And she never tried talking with him either.

No, Kishimoto don't want we see and like NH and he isn't trying convincing us.

And after refuting your statements I am convinced you haven't read the manga.



I regret being harsh, but not, you are not. You aren't on Kishimoto's side and you never liked NS. You are a NH fan is pretending having liked NS in order to seem enlightened and realistic.

And what were the quotation marks for?

I think you're adressing the wrong person. The more you write the more you seem to lose the fact that this was a post from someone on youtube. So responding to this with you(thus adressing merryGOFlava) while referring to the content of the quote from the guy on youtube, doesn't quite fit.

And these kind of reactions from other fandoms just make me laugh. Tbh I'm starting more to doubt if NaruSaku will happen if I read some of the threads on this forum then if I actually read posts of other fandoms saying why NaruSaku can't happen.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 11:43 AM

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I think you're adressing the wrong person. The more you write the more you seem to lose the fact that this was a post from someone on youtube. So responding to this with you(thus adressing merryGOFlava) while referring to the content of the quote from the guy on youtube, doesn't quite fit.


What? No, I was replying to that youtube poster the whole time, and I never lost sight of that fact. I quoted what that person said and then I replied "you said this, but..." because I was replying straight to his/her comments like if I was directly adressing that person.

Maybe I should have been clearer and writing "this person thinks" instead of "you think" or something like that, but I thought it was clear whom I was refering to.

That said, English isn't my primary language, so that I am bound to commit mistakes and I beg understanding for them.

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Posted 15 March 2011 - 12:23 PM

Oh, in that case I apologise English isn't my first language either so I guess I read to much in your previous post. Just thought I'd point it out.

And "this person thinks" instead of "you think" would indeed be much clearer to make your point, since their meaning is quite different in this case.

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