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#22461 rocci

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 04:32 AM

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1. Than search it and shows the scan and prove me wrong or else it just a make up thing from you. Yes, naruto and every other mangas have it too. But we can see that in the volume release or even scan.
As long as you don't give me that proof, I will not belive in your claim.

2. What part of it that the author crush? I don't see that and she doesn't feel devastated like you claim. Instead I see her claim that all the decision happen because of development. The thing that kishi barely do that to the canon pairing.

No, in japan it's called manzai. It's a form of comedy moment and in the manga it usually use by heroine to the hero. And if you can't deny it because it's part of Japanese culture thus part East Asian culture, actually korean and Chinese entertainment do that too. So no, it's not bullying because bullying will not do in comedic effect. Sakura never bully naruto in the manga, infact she's the one who get bullied based on her backstory.

Wrong, they're just demographic difference and that would determine the censorship. You think seinen automatically a real life story? I guess ah my goddes! is really realistic. :zaru:

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 05:01 AM

The reason why Kishi didn't make NS canon, is because he couldn't. Because it wasn't his decision. The decision was made for him by his superiors. Superiors that don't care about Kishi or his story or the fans. They only care about one thing, and that is money.

Why did they lure the NS fans in Japan to a Hinata movie? Simple because they know that in their own country NS has more fans that NH, so they can get more money from them. Same thing they did with the Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi fans when they used those three to promote the kitten out of their movie in order to get everyone to buy tickets. Because at the end of the day they wanted to make as much money as possible regardless of what tactics they used.

They chose to be sneaky bastards about it because they knew if they revealed from the beginning that the movie was going to a NH movie then the Japanese won't go to see it.

 

I believe that you are missing my point, If Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot are all in it for the money then wouldn't it make sense to cater to the largest Naruto fan base ? Because the biggest fan base of a series will have the most anime viewers, and the most merchandise customers, If NaruSaku is the biggest fanbase as shown in this image:

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Then why didn't Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot make (The Last Naruto The Movie) about Naruto and Sakuka getting together romantically ? because Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot would have made the MOST profit off the movie if it was about Naruto and Sakura since that pairing has the most fans compared to NaruHina Pairing which means they would have had MUCH MORE PROFIT from people buying a ticket to go see the movie,


And IF Kishimoto AND Studio Pierrot KNOW that NaruSaku has MORE fans then NaruHina in Japan then they should be aware of the mistake they made of making NaruHina cannon because they made less money then of what they could have made if they went with NaruSaku if they were actually out for the money only,


Kishimoto HIMSELF said that he is aware that NaruSaku is more popular then NaruHina, he confirmed it in these interviews he partook in:

http://eiga.com/movie/79681/interview/

http://www.chatte-ge...t-ny-comic-con/


Here are some of his comments pertaining to NaruSaku in these 2 interviews:

Kishimoto: I Naruto had decided in a pretty early stage that be with Hinata. That's why, Naruto and in order to mislead as if the cherry stick, dare or overlaying the movement of Kushina is the mother of Sakura and Naruto such did you also can draw the scene.

Interviewer: Did you expect such a divided reaction (in the U.S. at least) when you revealed whom Naruto marries in the future?
 

Kishimoto: I actually didn’t realize I caused such controversy.
 
Interviewer: Really? You had no idea?
 
Mari Morimoto: So the fans wanted Naruto to get together with Sakura?
 
Interviewer: Well, there’s definitely camps of fans who felt that way, and there were also those that were very happy he ended up with Hinata. But there were quite passionate opinions on both sides!
 
Kishimoto: I almost caused a rift in my own household too, because my wife was very upset also that Narutodidn’t get together with Sakura. In fact, she complained quite vehemently to me!
 
Jo Otsuki: Quite few of the female staff at Studio Pierrot that produces the anime, apparently were also upset.
 
Interviewer: Whoah. So how did you handle that, especially with your wife?
 
Kishimoto: I tried to defuse the situation by assuring my wife that SHE was actually the model for Hinata. (laughs)
 
Interviewer: As you were saying that, I thought, I wonder if your family life was more like Hinata and Naruto‘s family or Sasuke and Sakura’s? (everyone laughs)
 
Kishimoto: Well… it might not actually be like either. My wife is quite strong as well, she’s a strong character.
 
Interviewer: Oh, so kind of like Sakura!
 
Kishimoto: So I think my wife might secretly realize that Hinata wasn’t really the model for her… (laughs)
 
Interviewer: Did you decide this early on, that Hinata and Naruto would get together in the end, or when…?
 
Kishimoto: From the middle, actually.
 
Interviewer: From the middle of the story? Hm! What sealed this decision for you?
 
Kishimoto: I think what made me realize it was partly because, if you really look back and think about it, Hinata always supported and acknowledged Naruto, even before Master Iruka. She had the ability to see beyond his reputation and see the true person inside. I think I started realizing that they were meant to be.


Japan Hates NarutoXHinata, America Hates NarutoXHinata in fact a large majority of the whole FUCCKING WORLD hates NarutoXHinata as compared to the amount that hates NarutoXSakura, 


Even his staff members and editors hated NarutoXHinata "Jo Otsuki: Quite few of the female staff at Studio Pierrot that produces the anime, apparently were also upset."


Even Kishimoto's own wife and kids hated NarutoXHinata "Kishimoto: I almost caused a rift in my own household too, because my wife was very upset also that Naruto didn’t get together with Sakura. In fact, she complained quite vehemently to me!"


Literally 80%  of the Naruto fans on the whole fuccking entire globe hates NarutoXHinata, So Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot let me ask you ? HOW THE FUCCK DO YOU THINK NARUHINA WOULD MORE PROFITABLE THEN NARUSAKU" is Kishimoto's and Studio Pierrot's brain ok ? do they need to make an appointment to a neurologist ? 


Even to this day despite the 2 year conclusion of the Naruto series people are distraught baffled by this fuccking pathetic excuse for a manga conclusion of having 2 people who BARELY interacted AND are not compatible get together (NaruHina) 

Lets not forget about the infamous petitions to ban Naruto in both America AND Japan:

http://www.ipetition...o-banned-in-usa

http://www.chatte-ge...-for-the-movie/


Long time no talk, eh? I haven’t been that much commenting around the movie because given its apparent contents, everyone including me can’t seem but to feel absolutely disappointed with the ending of these 15 years of Naruto.
 
The Last: Naruto the movie seems to be nothing more than a bad Sailor Moon rip-off romance between Naruto and Hinata, despite the author pointing towards Naruto and Sakura all throughout his 15 years of manga context.
 
At the end of it, apparently NaruHina and SasuSaku are the end pairings we got. Many fans around the world have expressed their dissatisfaction with this and apparently, in Japan, the all-promised NaruHina fairy tale fails to bring fans to the finale… Fans that have reserved tickets for The Last: Naruto the movie apparently have been cancelling their tickets reservation and many of the seats of Japanese theaters get emptier and emptier according to a Japan resident. :)

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Kamiooka: Kanagawa Prefecture ; Gray chairs: reserved seats ; White chairs: unreserved/free seats.
 
Apparently in Kamiooka: Kanagawa Prefecture, as we see, only a few number of seats seem to be reserved (gray chairs), while a higher number seems to still be available.
 
Same seems to be the case with Nihonbashi Tokyo, where apparently people with VIP statuses sit during premiers so we can draw the conclusion that maybe here is where the Naruto producers will be, along with Kishi & co.?

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Nihonbashi Tokyo; Pink chairs: VIP reserved seats ; Gray chairs: reserved seats; White chairs: unreserved/free seats.
 
Likewise Kanawaga, as we can see, the number of unreserved/free seats greatly outmatches the reserved along with the VIP ones.
 
Japanese fans likewise fans all over the world seem to not be welcoming with open arms The Last: Naruto the movie in Ichihara Chiba either.

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Ichihara Chiba; Gray chairs: reserved seats ; White chairs: unreserved/free seats.
 
As observed, in Ichihara Chiba, likewise the other two instances, the high number of unreserved/free chairs seems to be greatly outnumbering the reserved ones, according to the images.
 
Despite being marketed as highly successful in Japanese media, in reality, The Last: Naruto the movie seems to be doing very bad as no matter how much Kishimoto together with Studio Pierrot calls the fans out to the movie, given its marketing and the fact that the whole cast was pushed back for Hinata to have her love story with Naruto and despite NaruHina and SasuSaku fans being seemingly enough to cover-up this disaster of an ending, the collective voice of the Naruto fandom tells us one thing: no one liked the apparent NaruHina and SasuSaku ending and Kishimoto along with Studio Pierrot’s marketing ploys aren’t welcomed.
 
Fans all over the world that have been following this manga for more than a cute love story cannot help but feel not only disappointed but also betrayed given the contents of the manga up to chapter 698 given the bad reviews that this ending receives underneath all the loud voices of those who “enjoyed” the final two chapters and the supposed plot of The Last: Naruto the movie. Maybe it’s because everyone expected for Naruto to finally get to conquer the heart of the girl who he has loved all his life as the manga shown us, because of her beautiful fighting spirit and not because of a childish rivalry with Sasuke like the plot of The Last: Naruto the movie seems to imply? Maybe, because, in the end, all that everyone expected without much fuss and over-exaggerated romance would’ve been a simple moment like this:

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Source
Source ; Original art by: LadyGT
 
After all, given that Kishimoto gave us something like this:
 
 
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One could only expect, seeing how much it meant for Sakura that Naruto should be alive to fulfill his dream, seeing this all-encompassing  love of hers… it’s just absolutely beautiful and could have kept being so… until The Last: Naruto the movie along with chapter 699 and 700 came. But oh well…
 
Interesting fact, nevertheless, with Japan’s real reaction not what they promote in the media, now, as we move closer to the grand opening of the final story.


Kishimoto.... NarutoXHinata is a horrible pairing, a large majority of the world hates it, You're staff members and editors hate it, You're wife and kids hate it, You're own fuccking country hates it, and you knew this all to as evident to you confessing to it in the interviews you partaken in and yet you still went the NaruHina route without at least writing an alternate ending of which Naruto marries Sakura to at least settle down the NaruSaku fans so that there wouldn't be as much of the chaos and mayhem that the NaruSaku fans are causing even to this day ? How could someone with a rational brain possibly see a positive outcome with a ending like this that is scorned by millions ? Does Kishimoto have some sort of un diagnosed mental disorder that has been yet to be revealed ?


And the NaruHina fans still don't understand the meaning of "girlfriend". In the case of Sakura, we NEVER get to see her feelings explained so all we have to go on is what the people who are close to her (Kakashi, Naruto, and Yamato) say. And NaruHina fans say Sakura performed otherwise, well we know why that is because Kishi stated himself why he wouldn't let Sakura be with Naruto. Hard to claim there was "little to no focus on shipping" when the ONLY cannon film is about just that, SHIPPING. Not to mention 700 with its shipping bombshells. >_>


NaruHina fans are all delusional idiots who are in denial to the point of which they ignore all the facts that their little precious substanceless pairing is illogical, 
 
 

 

 

 

Yes, because a woman's value and self-worth is dependent on her love for a man. :zaru:

 

And having said that, even sarcastically, I think I'm going to be sick now.

 

Now that I think about it, Kishimoto is one of the biggest sexist manga writers i've come across so far, why is it that when any of the female characters in Naruto grow up to be apron wearing, house dwelling, kids raising, kitchen cleaning, food cooking housewives ? what was the point of having the female ninja's undergo so much ninja training when there only fate is to become dedicated house wives ? it's like once your married as a women in the Narutoverse you relinquish everything about yourself and what you worked hard for to sacrifice it to become a dedicated 24/7 house wife, The women in Naruto are always humiliated heh.
 
 
Examples:
 
 
Kushina Uzumaki

Before:
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After (Housewifafied):
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Sakura Haruno

Before:
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After (Housewifafied):
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Hinata Hyuga

Before:
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After (Housewifafied):
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Before I delve in, I should note that this section was admittedly the hardest for me to do. There was a lot of material to sift through and it needed to be given proper context. Also, I had read past interviews or heard the details of them, but some of that information wasn’t readily available.
 

While I had already had knowledge of or read several old interviews from Kishimoto beforehand, I needed to reread these and go over some material I had not yet seen. On top of that, I needed to vet this information and only stick to confirmed sources. Unfortunately, some trolls have put out fake interviews over the years and I will of course refrain from using the information from them.
 

Now, on the surface, I would understand if anyone who reads or has read the information in this post will argue against the words of Kishimoto being overtly or inherently sexist. Of course, I would disagree, most notably in the case of Sakura.

 

At the very least these excerpts provide valuable insights into how the mangaka viewed his characters and wanted to convey. I have left some things out, like Kishimoto’s description of Kakashi’s character becoming more “woman-like,” and other things I felt were totally innocuous or not germane to this post.
 

Anyway, as this section is running long, I thought I’d leave out my thoughts on each passage. I only added emphasis to what I thought was important. Beyond that, I want anyone who reads this to come to their own conclusions and weigh each passage on their own. I’d prefer it that anyway.
 

As you can see, the excerpts will be listed in chronological order. These include things translated from direct quotes from Kishimoto and summaries from people who have heard his past interviews. (I’m thinking about including an annotated source list for anyone reading this or anyone else who’s interested to find all the articles/links to these — and more.)
 

From a 2006 US Interview with Shonen Jump
 

Links:

Context: In a two-part, 2006 US Interview with Shonen Jump (USA), Kishimoto at one point was asked a question about Rock Lee and Sakura. SJ asked whether the fact that these two characters were seemingly born without special powers resonated with readers and if those factors led to their respective levels of popularity.
 

Excerpt:

From a 2009 Interview with Naruto Collector



Shonen Jump: Sakura and Rock Lee don’t appear to have any of the special powers that ninja like Naruto, Sasuke, or Gaara have—do you think those two characters are popular because they provide a kind of reader’s-eye view of the story as it unfolds?

Masashi Kishimoto: Is Sakura popular in the U.S.? Well, Lee only has Taijutsu. And as a girl [emphasis mine], Sakura is physically weaker than the others. So I can see why it’s easy to empathize with them. They represent human weaknesses.
 

Link to Images: http://www.naruto-bo...sashi-kishimoto
 

Context: It appears this is a real source, as Naruto Collector is/was a real magazine and there were images of the pages shown that held the text. The mangaka was asked a few rapid-fire odd-ball questions.
 

Excerpt:

Late 2009: At the Infamous Jump Festa 2010



NC: If you weren’t the creator of Naruto and were simply a fan of the manga, which character’s poster would be your first choice to put up in your bedroom?

MK: I’d prefer a female character, so maybe Tsunade, and maybe one of Naruto performing the Ninja Centerfold Jutsu. And Gaara….he’s one of my favorite characters.

NC: We know a lot about Naruto, Itachi, Gaara and Kakashi, but does Sakura have dark secrets we don’t know about yet?

MK: She’s a normal girl, so I haven’t given it much thought.

Link: Thread on Naruto Forums
 

Context (the gist of what was said): Kishimoto was asked a few things about the Kage Summit Arc, which was going on at the time. The discussion naturally veered toward Sakura and her false confession. The mangaka referred to her as “that chick,” which even shocked the interviewer. Kishimoto also said that he was writing Sakura like “a realistic girl,” and did not dispute the notion that Sakura was being a detestable person. He also threw in a remark about Hinata being more of a heroine than Sakura was by that point.
 

Excerpts:

From a Late-2013 Interview in Shonen Jump



 (The translator’s note is not my own.)

 ジャンフェスネタバレまとめ
JUMP Festa spoiler summary

・サクラはちょっとナルトに対して驕っている
Sakura’s acting a little haughty towards Naruto

・これからヒロインらしくする
She’ll be more heroine-like from now on

・サクラはやっぱりサスケが好きみたい
Looks like Sakura really does love Sasuke

各声優さんから岸本先生に質問
Each voice actor asked questions to Kishimoto-sensei

中村はやはりサクラの今後について、岸本「正直女らしい意地もみせる
As one might expect, Nakamura asked about what was upcoming with Sakura

周りからヒロインらしくないとかヒナタのほうがヒロインだとか言われている
がやはりサクラは自分の中でヒロインなんで、これからヒロインっぽい所見せる」
Kishimoto: “Honestly, from the standpoint of showing a female-like disposition, she hasn’t been much of a heroine. You could even say that Hinata’s more of a heroine than her. But since, as we know, Sakura is a heroine deep inside, she’ll show that side of hers from now on.”

ナルトは近いが、サクラやはりサスケが好き的な発言。後あんまりナルト対していい
言葉は使わなかったような驕っている…だっけ思い出せない。
Naruto’s close, but Sakura loves Sasuke as we should expect from that speech. She’s being haughty with her using not so kind words against Naruto right afterwards…didn’t she? I can’t recall.

次は岸本先生への質問コーナー
Next was the Questions For Kishimoto-sensei Corner

中村さんが「最近の展開でサクラは・・・」ってかんじで
Nakamura-san started off with something like, “With the latest developments, Sakura has…”
あいつ(竹内さんが「あいつ?w」って反応)はナルトの好意を利用したりイヤなヤツだけど、
He said something like, that chick* (Takeuchi reacted to that “That chick” lol) is detestable for using Naruto’s good will,

まあそういうリアルな女の子っぽく描こうと思って、といったかんじ
but, well that’s just how I’d think to write a realistic girl.

サクラがイヤなヤツだとはよく言われるけど故意でそうしてるらしい
You hear all the time that Sakura is a detestable person, but that’s what seems to be the intention

「ヒロインはサクラなので」「これから意地を見せるところを描く」
“Since Sakura is the heroine”, “I’ll be writing from now on to show her with that disposition”

「みんなヒナタヒナタ言うけど・・・」
“Though everyone says Hinata-Hinata all the time…”
↑これはヒナタを応援する声が大きいってニュアンスじゃないかな(個人的な印象ね)
↑I wonder if it’s that their voices supporting Hinata are so loud (my personal impression)

*tn note: word was “aitsu”, is genderless but normally used for guys in a very colloquial way (read: not polite). When referring to a guy, it’s “that guy” or “he”, and to a girl would be something like “that chick” or “she”, but of course in a slightly impolite manner.

Link: Article on Saiyan Island
 

Context: Kishimoto was giving an interview shortly after Jump Festa 2014.
 

Excerpt:

Q: Are any of your friends or family members inspiration for the characters?

Kishimoto Sensei: Let’s see…Naruto’s mom, Kushina, is based a little bit on my wife. She’s a bit like that, a little scary. (Laughs)

From a Late-2014 Interview Alongside Kosuke Yahagi for Weekly Shonen Jump
 

Link: Images as imgur Album
 

Context: In late 2014, Kishimoto shared a Q & A session with his first editor at Shonen Jump, Yahagi Kosuke. The two talked about how Kishimoto first took to manga, worked to fulfill his professional dream, and got started in the industry. Since the beginnings of Naruto were discussed, the topic of Sasuke and Sakura’s addition would naturally be discussed. Kishimoto elaborates on his initial plans for the characters.
 

Excerpt:

2014 Translation of Select Excepts on Naruto Forums (by User mezzomarinaio)



WSJ: Sasuke and Sakura make their appearance in chapter 3.

KISHIMOTO: Yahagi-san told me to focus on the main character in the first two chapters. And then to use chapter 3 onward to establish the rival and heroine and create a love-triangle relationship between the characters. I’m no good with female characters, so I wasn’t planning on this initially. But once I established the triangle, it became a lot easier to create the chapters after that. I was surprised by how good that advice was. And that’s why I tend to listen to what he tells me. Then again, one time he argued with me for six hours to convince me to take his advice. He’s very persuasive, so sometimes I have no choice.

Link: Post on NF
 

Context: The user mezzomarinaio was “summoned” by user Haruka Katana to respond in the SasuSaku FC thread (Part 12) concerning a certain part of an interview with CinemaCafé.net. Of course, it concerned the pairings of NaruHina and SasuSaku, particularly in connection with “Naruto the Movie: The Last.”

 


Post: 一方、映画でナルトに引導を渡す(?)役割を果たすことになったサクラを演じる中村さんは「ま さか、こんな 失恋気分を味わうとは…」と笑いつつ、ナルトとヒナタだけでなく、サクラとサスケの間に何があ ったのか「先 生、気になります」とその間のエピソードを描いてほしいと岸本さんにおねだり。岸本さんは「確 かにサスケの 方が気になりますよね。いろいろ、考えますね」と頷き、「サクラには幸せになってほしいです。 ツラいことば かり描いてきたので」としみじみと語っていた。。

http://www.cinemacaf...2/06/27884.html

Details from a 2014 Kobyashi Interview



You mean this paragraph?
 

Basically, it says that at the premiere, Chie-san laughingly told Kishi that Sakura gave off the feeling of being broken-hearted when giving Naruto ‘the last rites over the deceased’ in the movie (don’t ask me… even the article put a question mark after that part XD) – and that she wanted to know what had happened between her and Sasuke, not just between Naruto and Hinata. The article says that she was literally begging Kishi to write about it. To which Kishimoto apparently nodded and answered with ‘Certainly, people are interested in Sasuke’s side… I’ll be thinking about various things’. Then he said very earnestly that he wanted Sakura to be happy, since he’s only been making her experience painful things until now.
 

As always, though, I can’t vouch for the article’s trustworthiness…
 

By the way… I know that everyone must be pretty tired of Kishi’s interviews by now (gods know I am), but I just wanted to clear this up in advance since I’ve seen some people claiming that Kishi said that ‘Sakura was close to reciprocating Naruto’s feelings’.
 

http://i61.tinypic.com/e7m39w.jpg
 

Why did you decide that Naruto and Hinata would get together?
 

Hinata was the only kid who paid close attention to the way Naruto was working hard from the very beginning, and always supported him. She understood that the way he worked hard and didn’t give up even if things didn’t go smoothly for him was pretty cool. Not that Sakura didn’t realize that along the way too… but just as I thought, not rewarding Hinata despite her looking at him from the very beginning would have been pitiful.
 

No comment on the rest of the paragraph… but nowhere does Kishi state that ‘Sakura was close to reciprocating Naruto’s feelings’ (in fact, he clearly says in a previous interview that he never make her change her feelings for Sasuke). He only mentions that along the way, she also noticed that Naruto was a hard worker and therefore pretty cool (duh) – in order not to give the impression that he was belittling her with his previous words about Hinata.

Links:

Context: The interview in question went over a number of topics surrounding the manga and Kishimoto’s decision-making. Among the many topics Kishimoto addressed during the interview was Sakura’s perception and romance. The part that deals with Sakura’s character also concerns Hinata, in terms of popularity and Kishimoto’s intention for fan reception. The mangaka said that he felt that Hinata — who became far more popular than Sakura — had become the “true heroine,” so he brought her and Naruto closer together at one point during the war. Kishimoto was shocked by how unpopular Sakura was, even by girls, as early as Part 1. The mangaka tried to raise Sakura’s popularity by making her prettier.
 

Excerpts:

  • 22:55ish begins the kitten section about Sakura…24:08 Asks about her family. Since she wasn’t as well received by the readers (popularity-wise), he decided not to expand upon her background. Though Kishimoto himself likes her character, and tries to draw her beautifully.

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    This is what I think I can hear, Kishi really does say that Sakura wasn’t popular, and that’s the reason why her family wasn’t elaborated on. Kishi agrees with the interviewer’s reconstruction of his answer and laughs.

@24:06 Kishi「なんかぶっちゃけ、あの、サクラそんな人気なかったんでそこを広げてでも。(笑)」

Interviewer?「(笑)ぶっちゃけ人気で無かったから広げなかったんすか?」

Kishi「そう、そうかに。。。」

@25:38

Kishi:「ヒナタばっかり人気上がるんで。 ヒナタ。。。あんまり描いてないのに、

。。。サクラみたいに何もしてないのに人気が上がるんで。

。。。この子ヒロインにしたほうがいいん。。。かなってちょっとのは…

。。。ヒロインっていうかヒロインの位置に近づけたほうがいい。。。最後活躍というか…」

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    ….I’m 90% sure that the meat of the convo above is right, from what I can hear (….they talk really quickly too ;__;’;;~)

  • Here we go, takL (NF’s main, native Japanese translator) heard the same thing as me. [LINK]

    • 25:52, if I’m hearing it right, says that Hinata didn’t have as many appearances as Sakura, but had a better reception (popularity). He wondered if she should be the heroine instead.
    • The parts I’m more sure that I can hear. Roughly it sounds to me like Hinata rose in popularity even though she wasn’t drawn much, like the exposure that Sakura gets. Kishi says perhaps he better make Hinata the heroine instead, because it seemed like she was closer to the position (like by the end)

Taken from a Thread on NarutoPedia (by KirinNOTKarin98)
 

Links:

Context: The post I quoted from has even more detail than the above post, and it confirms the earlier information. Since the following excerpt is part of an extensive summary, it has plenty of its own context.
 

Excerpt:

From the Post-2015 NYCC Interview



On Sakura’s popularity & character – Kobayashi then asks about Sakura. Kishimoto says he tried to write her more realistically [than other characters], and tried to show a girl’s ‘real’ self/ feelings [through inner Sakura]. He thought she would appeal to female fans, but was surprised when she actually became hated. Kobayashi asks if there was a lot of Sakura hate, and Kishimoto says there was, and even young girls told him they hate her. Kishimoto said that he continued on regretting Sakura’s character. Kobayashi apologizes for bringing up the painful memories as Kishimoto apologizes for tailing off (lol).
 

Kobayashi said that his team were discussing in a meeting why Sakura’s family was never written. He says that they eventually appeared in a movie, but not in the manga. Even when all the parents are shown along with their children during the war, and even random relatives are shown, Sakura’s parents aren’t seen. He says that they came across like a civilian family and kind of made Sakura seem on the side-lines. He asks Kishimoto why this is, and Kishimoto replies that, honestly speaking, Sakura was that unpopular that even if he expanded on her… (nb. He tails off in what he’s saying). Kobayashi reiterates Kishimoto’s statement, and Kishimoto tells him that’s right, to which Kobayashi laughs.
 

Kobayashi asks if it was too late to drop her, and Kishimoto says that he just had to persevere with her, and thought about how to raise her popularity. In the 4th volume, a cover page shows her with Katsuyu, so this was the direction he tried to work in. In later volumes, he tries to draw her more beautifully. On the cover page of Vol 66, he drew Sasuke and Naruto quickly, but with Sakura he took a long time to draw her beautifully and was using source materials as guides. But he says that in the end no one really took notice (it had no effect), and Hinata’s popularity just kept going up on its own.
 

Kishimoto explains that Hinata, like Sakura, never really did anything but her popularity just kept going up and up, so part way through the story he started to wonder whether he should make her the main heroine instead, or at least gradually write her into the direction of the heroine.

Link: Transcript on AnimeNewsNetwork
 

Context: This is pretty straightforward. In this section, Kishimoto was asked about the end-of-manga pairing of NaruHina, but in terms of the reaction to it [particularly in the United States]. Kishimoto’s answer is mostly humorous.
 

Excerpt:

From Shōnen Jump Podcast: NYCC Interview With Kishimoto



Did you expect such a divided reaction (in the U.S. at least) when you revealed whom Naruto marries in the future?

I actually didn’t realize I caused such controversy.

Really? You had no idea?

Mari Morimoto: So the fans wanted Naruto to get together with Sakura?

Well, there’s definitely camps of fans who felt that way, and there were also those that were very happy he ended up with Hinata. But there were quite passionate opinions on both sides!

I almost caused a rift in my own household too, because my wife was very upset also that Naruto didn’t get together with Sakura. In fact, she complained quite vehemently to me!

Jo Otsuki: Quite few of the female staff at Studio Pierrot that produces the anime, apparently were also upset.

Whoah. So how did you handle that, especially with your wife?

I tried to defuse the situation by assuring my wife that SHE was actually the model for Hinata. (laughs)

As you were saying that, I thought, I wonder if your family life was more like Hinata and Naruto‘s family or Sasuke and Sakura’s? (everyone laughs)

Masashi Kishiimoto: Well… it might not actually be like either. My wife is quite strong as well, she’s a strong character.

Oh, so kind of like Sakura!

So I think my wife might secretly realize that Hinata wasn’t really the model for her… (laughs)

Did you decide this early on, that Hinata and Narutowould get together in the end, or when…?

From the middle, actually.

From the middle of the story? Hm! What sealed this decision for you?

I think what made me realize it was partly because, if you really look back and think about it, Hinata always supported and acknowledged Naruto, even before Master Iruka. She had the ability to see beyond his reputation and see the true person inside. I think I started realizing that they were meant to be.

Links:

Context: Kishimoto gives yet another interview with Shonen Jump after the New York City Comic-Con. This time, he is with two others, including his translator, Mari Morimoto. About 13 minutes in, Kishimoto was asked about the conception of Kaguya. She was admittedly thought of late into Part 2. Kishimoto was next quizzed on his favorite female character.
 

Excerpt:

From a 2015 Interview with Cinema Today



Interviewer: “Who is your favorite female character, and why?”

Kishimoto: Does this mean within my own Naruto?

Interviewer: Yeah.

Kishimoto: You know, I’m a little shy having to mention a character that I myself created. Euhm… I guess… Maybe I should say Hinata.

Yeah, I think I’ll go with Hinata.

Interviewer: (laughs) Oh, Naruto-kun.

Translator: Why?

Kishimoto: Why? Eh… Hmmm… I guess it’s because she’s not violent at all?

Interviewer: (laughs)

Kishimoto: Yeah, Sakura… she’s kind of a hard woman. (laughs

Interviewer: (laughs) That’s Sasuke’s problem now.

Kishimoto: (laughs) Yeah, you’re right.

Interviewer: (laughs) He deals with it by not being home.

(everybody laughs)

Links:

Context: Kishimoto was asked about planning end-game romances (the big two pretty much).
 

Excerpt:

Q: During serialization, were you writing with the characters’ romances also decided in advance?

Kishimoto: I wasn’t very conscious of it. I thought I would leave the course of it up to them. I wrote it while wondering if Sasuke and Sakura would get together and how it would be. I didn’t write Sakura in the position of heroine. Naruto was special because he was the main character, but all other characters were equal, regardless of who were main or side characters. The characters would decide based how it would work in the story. But along the way, I thought that Naruto and Sakura were different. I somehow decided [their romances] at a pretty early phase.

Q: So you left it up to the characters.

Kishimoto: In the same way that the beginning of romance is not very conscious, you might say it was not very conscious for me. I’m embarrassed to write it, so in truth, there were parts that I didn’t want to write (laughs). In “The Last -Naruto the Movie-” Naruto’s romance was written, so I was happy that the parts that I myself could not write could be seen in the movie.

This series continues as I will weigh the differences in treatment.


Kishimoto is indeed a sexist misandrist basterd 


Edited by BestSasuHinaSupporter, 28 June 2016 - 10:24 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 05:04 AM

Aww man I can't believe for the first time in forever ever I'm not going to lie I was shedding tears reading this: 

 

 

 

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Long post I know, but I couldn't avoid it with what this has to offer. 


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 08:10 AM

 

I believe that you are missing my point, If Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot are all in it for the money then wouldn't it make sense to cater to the largest Naruto fan base ? Because the biggest fan base of a series will have the most anime viewers, and the most merchandise customers, If NaruSaku is the biggest fanbase as shown in this image:

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Then why didn't Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot make (The Last Naruto The Movie) about Naruto and Sakuka getting together romantically ? because Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot would have made the MOST profit off the movie if it was about Naruto and Sakura since that pairing has the most fans compared to NaruHina Pairing which means they would have had MUCH MORE PROFIT from people buying a ticket to go see the movie,


And IF Kishimoto AND Studio Pierrot KNOW that NaruSaku has MORE fans then NaruHina in Japan then they should be aware of the mistake they made of making NaruHina cannon because they made less money then of what they could have made if they went with NaruSaku if they were actually out for the money only,
 

The fact is that they were looking much less at the domestic fandom and more at the international fandom, especially the West like here in the US, to which people, as far as I could tell, appear much more NH/SS than NS. Compared to the entirety of the international fanbase, the domestic fanbase in Japan itself would look quite small and inconsequential. The problem is that they (also) vastly underestimated the number of international, and more logical, NS/SK/neutral/NH/SS/SNS fans, resulting in money made from everything connected to it also being far less than expected. It also really didn't help that much of the international community had already long since been informed of what the plot of The Last was and already saw many photos and such put online and so unlike the Japanese fanbase, the international fanbase couldn't exactly be tricked into pre-ordering a ton of tickets, only to be refused refunds when the truth was discovered.


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 09:06 AM

The fact is that they were looking much less at the domestic fandom and more at the international fandom, especially the West like here in the US, to which people, as far as I could tell, appear much more NH/SS than NS. Compared to the entirety of the international fanbase, the domestic fanbase in Japan itself would look quite small and inconsequential. The problem is that they (also) vastly underestimated the number of international, and more logical, NS/SK/neutral/NH/SS/SNS fans, resulting in money made from everything connected to it also being far less than expected. It also really didn't help that much of the international community had already long since been informed of what the plot of The Last was and already saw many photos and such put online and so unlike the Japanese fanbase, the international fanbase couldn't exactly be tricked into pre-ordering a ton of tickets, only to be refused refunds when the truth was discovered.

 

http://www.animenews...ch-2016/.102927

 

Naruto is largest sales and number two gross profit

 

@ rocci

 

!. Whatever

2 After Ichigo 100%, she never made hit again

 

Manzai despised by Naruto fandom, btw its still largest sales and number two gross profit on TV Tokyo.

 

@ TouKen

 

Fans simply don't care and keep send money to Kishi and Shuheisa pocket.


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 09:50 AM

Wel yes, but my point wasn't about sales/fans.

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 09:52 AM

The fact is that they were looking much less at the domestic fandom and more at the international fandom, especially the West like here in the US, to which people, as far as I could tell, appear much more NH/SS than NS. Compared to the entirety of the international fanbase, the domestic fanbase in Japan itself would look quite small and inconsequential. The problem is that they (also) vastly underestimated the number of international, and more logical, NS/SK/neutral/NH/SS/SNS fans, resulting in money made from everything connected to it also being far less than expected. It also really didn't help that much of the international community had already long since been informed of what the plot of The Last was and already saw many photos and such put online and so unlike the Japanese fanbase, the international fanbase couldn't exactly be tricked into pre-ordering a ton of tickets, only to be refused refunds when the truth was discovered.

Perhaps I should show you the most recent pairing popularity polls held in late 2015, First we will start off with the poll of which shows the most popular Naruto pairings in japan, according to the most recent polls in Japan NaruHina is doing horribly in popularity, USA's population (2016) is at 322,762,018 while Japan's current population (2016) Is 126,324,994 despite USA being 6x larger than Japan so don't underestimate Japan's population to much, have you ever seen a ant pile before ? think of an ant pile, ant piles are small but have MILLIONS of ants living inside of it that's what Japan is small but condensed, Also the anime culture isn't very massive in USA despite USA's population, the USA culture puts heavy emphasis on a work and bustling society while Japan is a more fun culture which means they will have MORE people delving into leisure time such as a large amount of Otaku's dwelling in japan so the Naruto fandom in Japan could very well be on par with USA's Naruto fandom size.


If Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot did look at it from a domesticated point of view they would have saw that NaruSaku could have likely made the SAME amount of money NaruHina in (The Last Naruto The Movie) because NaruHina is popular in USA while it's unpopular in Japan, NaruSaku is popular in Japan while it's moderately popular in USA, Because as I stated both USA's and Japan's Anime community population amount could very likely be at an even number.


Currently according to the most recent polls the most popular pairing in Japan is KakashiXIruka ? seriously ? that's sad that when even a gay pairing voted by none other than gay people is more popular then NaruHina despite gay people only making up about 9% of the worlds population, KakashiXIruka recieved a whooping 629,000 votes while NaruHina only recieved 42,600 votes in the 2015 Naruto pairing popularity polls, Kishimoto's and Studio Pierrot's plan to convince the Japanese audience that NaruHina is a plausible pairing failed horribly... especially since Japans current population (2016) is 126,324,994, I'll repeat NaruHina has failed horribly in Japan.


NaruSaku received 85,700 votes, NaruSaku was ranked number 6 of the most popular Naruto pairing in Japan according to the most recent Pairing poll held, NaruHina was ranked number 16, The Japanese society has a more realistic sense and view of how romance is like and developed reason why they ADORE NaruSaku because that Pairing has actual development unlike those other abominations! such as NaruHina! USA is more of a dreamers society hence "The American Dream" they fantasize to much to the point of which they want to believe that unrealistic things can happen like NaruHina which is at borderline a 0 developed relationship, that's why USA american's favor NaruHina so much. The Japanese have always been smarter than USA american's, Probably the reason why Japan is like 20 years Ahead of the USA in technology.


Don't believe me ? well then here is the official poll completely legit read through it thoroughly:

 

I found a poll about couples where NH and SS were included. At first, I thought it was anti but then, I remembered that Shinichi and Ran isn’t an official couple yet and NH and SS are married so the ‘wakarete’ word had to mean ‘departure’ instead of ‘break up’. At the end, I was right when I first thought it was anti. The voters chose the couples they dislike because they wanted another different to be canon or others that they think they are annoying (obviously, Yoshirin x Michi from Shin Chan). The point is less than 200 people voted for the first 10 couples and antis are already using it to prove how JP Naruto fandom hated the ending or those 2 couples, when less than 200 fans are nothing and here are the reasons: 

  • They’ve never visited 2ch, Naruto spoiler seesa or other sites to see what JP fans think. I remember I spent the whole day in 2ch when the manga ended and you know what? I didn’t see any comment complaining for the ending apart from a couple of them saying that it was all a bit rushed. All the comments were like ありがとう、先生 or ナルヒナとサスサクおめでとう。 
     
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I even remember some people saying that were happy for Sakura, who had been for a lot of pain in all these 15 years and could be happy now. If I find my old USB with the screenshots, I’ll add them here. EDIT: found some of the pics.  
 

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These 2 pics are from here 
 

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This is from the JP FB page of Bolt’s film. The users were talking about enjoying that film. 

 

 

  • They ignore the pairing tags top from pixiv which is very funny, look.  
     
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As you can see here, SS has been out from the top only 4 weeks since December due to the popularity of other couples. Even so, that pairing is still there with over 60,000 visits.
 

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The entire month of April. 
 

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March.  
 

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February: SS first place and NH went down to the last. 
 

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January hasn’t got any top but as you can see in the source, both couples had over than 80,000 visits to their tags. NH didn’t appear in the top since March but SS is still there, even if it has been out 4 times due to the competition with more popular couples like Ereri. If JP didn’t like the canon couples, this top would be different but it was like this.  

  • The pairing poll from the (2015) Naruto favorite pairing poll:  

カカイル (KakaIru) ——- 629,000

サスナル (SasuNaru) —- 392,000

カカナル (KakaNaru) —- 188,000

サスサク (SasuSaku) —- 139,000

カカサス (KakaSasu) —- 105,000

ナルサク (NaruSaku) —– 85,700

サソデイ (SasoDei) ——- 53,900

ジラツナ(JiraTsu) ——— 52,600

シカナル (ShikaNaru) —- 50,900

シカテマ (ShikaTema) — 50,200

イタサス (ItaSasu) ——- 49,000 

カカサク (KakaSaku) —- 48,300

ネジヒナ (NejiHina) —— 47,800 

シカいの (ShikaIno) —— 47,800

ナルヒナ (NaruHina)—— 42,600

サイナル (SaiNaru) ——- 42,500

アスクレ (AsuKure) —— 40,900

ネジテン (NejiTen) ——– 39,700

キバヒナ (KibaHina) —— 38,100

リーテン (LeeTen) ——– 37,000

四カカ (YonKaka) ——— 31,600

ネジリー (NejiLee) ——– 24,700

イタナル (ItaNaru) ——– 23,700

リーサク (LeeSaku) —— 17,800

オロカブ (OroKabu) —— 15,900

サクヒナ (SakuHina) —– 14,000

ネジナル (NejiNaru) ——- 9,630

サスヒナ (SasuHina) —— 9,210

サソサク (SasoSaku) —– 8,880

キバナル (KibaNaru) —— 8,660

キバいの (KibaIno) ——– 4,920

鮫イタ (KisaIta) ———– 3,570

イタサク (ItaSaku) ——– 2,850

我ナル (GaaNaru) ———- 2,750

シノハナ (ShinoHana) —– 2,190

ザブハク (ZabuHaku) —– 1,520

オロジラ (OroJira) ——— 1,330

サスいの (SasuSai) ——- 1,130

サスサイ (SasuIno) ——- 1,130

マダイタ (MadaIta) ——– 1,130

デイサク (DeiSaku) ——- 1,270

我サク (GaaSaku) ——— 985

ネジサク (NejiSaku) ——- 946

シノヒナ (ShinoHina) ——869

我リー (GaaLee) ———– 787

デイいの (DeiIno) ———- 650

キバシノ (KibaShino) —— 614

我ヒナ (GaaHina) ——— 608

イタデイ (ItaDei) ———- 583

カカヒナ (KakaHina) —— 544

キバサク (KibaSaku) —— 536

*スイカリ (SuiKarin) ——- 527

オロサス (OroSasu) ——- 463

サクいの (SakuIno) ——- 346

サスカリ (SasuKarin) —– 223

サイいの (SaiIno) ——— 212

我マツ (GaaMatsu) ——- 119

トビサク (TobiSaku) —— 101

ヒダテマ (HidaTema) —— 94

サスデイ (SasuDei) ——– 89

サソテマ (SasoTema) —– 55

ヒダ角都 (HidaKaku) —— 43

デイヒナ (DeiHina) ——– 33

鮫サク (KisaSaku) ——– 24

鮫テン (KisaTen) ———- 22

テマテン (TemaTen) —— 17

ゼツサク (ZetsuSaku) —- 14

イビ多由也 (IbiTayu) —— 9

コナサク (KonaSaku) —– 7

ゼツいの (ZetsuIno) —— 6

ペインコナ (PeinKona) —- 3

ヒダサク (HidaSaku) —— 3

ペインサク (PeinSaku) —- 2

ヒダいの (HidaIno) ——– 1 

 

Even if this poll was from a year ago, you can see how SS is near the first places and NH isn’t bad at all. Of course, these results changed because SNS lost popularity in the following years. 

Now the pixiv stadistics:  
 

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Naruhina (as you can see, it’s out of the pixiv top because it has 50,000 visits and it needs at least 10,000 more to be back on it).
 

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Shikatema 
 

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Saiino
 

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Narusaku 
 

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Narusasu
 

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I put NS and SNS because there’s a lot of weeaboos claiming that this 2 pairings are popular but as you can see, the stadistics don’t say the same. Their popularity have decreased a lot since 2011 and it doesn’t seem they’re going to be like back in those days. Even so, those 2 fandoms are way healthier and rational than the Western NS and SNS. I’ve even seen how NS shippers were ashamed of NS fanbase because of the extremists. No wonder why lol.

 

Now, the 2ch threads. hello.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/wc… 
Sasusaku has a new thread almost every day because the 1000 comments limit is reached quickly. Have you ever visited the FC in Naruto forums? It takes a lot for them to reach the comments limit and open a new thread. In 2ch this happens almost every day. They 14th of May they opened 2 threads, 2000 comments in total. An unpopular pairing would never have this, dear antis. I haven’t found the NH index but its threads are very similar to SS. 

 

Talking about 2ch, they have a thread called  過激派カプ厨愚痴&アンチスレ and you, my dear Western antis, aren’t very welcome there. Some months ago, I saw how they laughed about the pics you do with crappy Japanese text from Google Translator calling Naruto a scumbag for not being with Sakura.  
 

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It’s funny because くず means trash, not scumbag. The Japanese word for that is 卑劣な人 and there’s even more ways to say it but not ‘nozu’. That proves how they use the google translator to create their illogical JP texts.
 

 You can see the most recent thread here. More pics: 
 

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The first paragraph say that the kagekiha (extremists) only want Sakura to be happy with Naruto. 

I’ll edit this post when I find my old USB with the screenshots but the idea is very clear: generally, JP fandom didn’t dislike the 2 main canon couples at all. If you use this post, use the link and if you copy the info, please put my username so that people can visit my blog if they want to read this full post. Thanks.

 

Now here's the most recent Naruto Pairing Poll (2015) in the USA:


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This all totals to 11,592 USA american Naruto fan voters, 11,592 voters ? out of the millions of citizens of the United States ? this not only shows that the Anime community in america is relatively small but this also shows that hundreads of thousands of Naruto fans who didn't get off their lazy asses from their couch eating fried chicken long enough to go vote, you can never get a true total amount of votes for each pairing because of this, So who knows how many NaruSaku fans in america didn't get up to vote, who knows they could have had more people voting for NaruSaku in america than NaruHina, you never know


Edited by BestSasuHinaSupporter, 28 June 2016 - 10:16 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:26 AM

@db
1. Then your claim is weak.
2. And? What's that has something to do with her? You can't prove that ichigo 100% ending happen because the popularity of tsukasa thus you change your topic in order to avoid it.

So, they despise the eastern culture and yet here you're complain that NS fan must respect eastern culture.
I bet they hate many anime, manga, or game.

Yeah, you're a typical naruto fan who thought sales determine quality.
There's reason on why manga and anime fandom hate you and that's your delusion who think naruto is a great work.

Edited by rocci, 28 June 2016 - 11:29 AM.


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 01:19 PM

@ Touken
Honestly I agree with you about the story but I understand that it just bussiness as ussual in WSJ.

@ Rocci
With or without NS, Naruto fandom still goes around. Most of us glad it now free from feminist, equality and another heavy topic which actively campaign by fanatic.

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 01:47 PM

@db
Eeh, what it has something to do with my post?
Can you answer my question first before we go to another discussion.

Anyway, with or without nh & ss, naruto fandom will still goes around because they're a fandom.
So now the critics are fanatic?

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 02:47 PM

Perhaps I should show you the most recent pairing popularity polls held in late 2015,
....


May I know?
Can you read Japanese?

Edited by Popuri, 28 June 2016 - 02:47 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2016 - 03:11 PM

@BestSasuHinaSupporter, Where do you get all this information from? I know I'm hoping for the impossible, but you're giving me a little hope NS may still happen somehow...



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Posted 28 June 2016 - 05:24 PM

May I know?
Can you read Japanese?

 

 

@BestSasuHinaSupporter, Where do you get all this information from? I know I'm hoping for the impossible, but you're giving me a little hope NS may still happen somehow...

Perhaps if you read through the entirety of my most recent reply to this topic you will see the links provided within each of my points that provides the source of each of these points, Also I don't have to know how to read Japanese if I can just have my google chrome browser translation app  :happy: if a foreign language is the issue then I advise you download google chrome to  :smile: 


But to simplify things I will provide the links to the completely legit (2015 Favorite Naruto Pairing Polls) held in Japan only with this reply if reading though a text Mountain is to much:


http://www.naruto-mo...om/comment.html

http://matome.naver....119771811719901

SasuSaku
http://dic.pixiv.net.../a/????

The Uchiha Household
http://dic.pixiv.net...?????

NaruHina
http://dic.pixiv.net.../a/????

ShikaTema
http://dic.pixiv.net.../a/????

NaruSasu
http://dic.pixiv.net.../a/????

SaiIno
http://dic.pixiv.net.../a/????

NaruSaku
http://dic.pixiv.net.../a/????

http://hello.2ch.net.../1415259588/l50

http://yomogi.2ch.ne.../1429279370/l50


Even in 2016 NaruHina is doing horribly in Japan, NaruHina has less then 50k fans according to the polls as of (2016)


And here is the most recent Naruto favorite pairing poll held in mid (2015):
 

カカイル (KakaIru) ——- 629,000

サスナル (SasuNaru) —- 392,000

カカナル (KakaNaru) —- 188,000

サスサク (SasuSaku) —- 139,000

カカサス (KakaSasu) —- 105,000

ナルサク (NaruSaku) —– 85,700

サソデイ (SasoDei) ——- 53,900

ジラツナ(JiraTsu) ——— 52,600

シカナル (ShikaNaru) —- 50,900

シカテマ (ShikaTema) — 50,200

イタサス (ItaSasu) ——- 49,000 

カカサク (KakaSaku) —- 48,300

ネジヒナ (NejiHina) —— 47,800 

シカいの (ShikaIno) —— 47,800

ナルヒナ (NaruHina)—— 42,600

サイナル (SaiNaru) ——- 42,500

アスクレ (AsuKure) —— 40,900

ネジテン (NejiTen) ——– 39,700

キバヒナ (KibaHina) —— 38,100

リーテン (LeeTen) ——– 37,000

四カカ (YonKaka) ——— 31,600

ネジリー (NejiLee) ——– 24,700

イタナル (ItaNaru) ——– 23,700

リーサク (LeeSaku) —— 17,800

オロカブ (OroKabu) —— 15,900

サクヒナ (SakuHina) —– 14,000

ネジナル (NejiNaru) ——- 9,630

サスヒナ (SasuHina) —— 9,210

サソサク (SasoSaku) —– 8,880

キバナル (KibaNaru) —— 8,660

キバいの (KibaIno) ——– 4,920

鮫イタ (KisaIta) ———– 3,570

イタサク (ItaSaku) ——– 2,850

我ナル (GaaNaru) ———- 2,750

シノハナ (ShinoHana) —– 2,190

ザブハク (ZabuHaku) —– 1,520

オロジラ (OroJira) ——— 1,330

サスいの (SasuSai) ——- 1,130

サスサイ (SasuIno) ——- 1,130

マダイタ (MadaIta) ——– 1,130

デイサク (DeiSaku) ——- 1,270

我サク (GaaSaku) ——— 985

ネジサク (NejiSaku) ——- 946

シノヒナ (ShinoHina) ——869

我リー (GaaLee) ———– 787

デイいの (DeiIno) ———- 650

キバシノ (KibaShino) —— 614

我ヒナ (GaaHina) ——— 608

イタデイ (ItaDei) ———- 583

カカヒナ (KakaHina) —— 544

キバサク (KibaSaku) —— 536

*スイカリ (SuiKarin) ——- 527

オロサス (OroSasu) ——- 463

サクいの (SakuIno) ——- 346

サスカリ (SasuKarin) —– 223

サイいの (SaiIno) ——— 212

我マツ (GaaMatsu) ——- 119

トビサク (TobiSaku) —— 101

ヒダテマ (HidaTema) —— 94

サスデイ (SasuDei) ——– 89

サソテマ (SasoTema) —– 55

ヒダ角都 (HidaKaku) —— 43

デイヒナ (DeiHina) ——– 33

鮫サク (KisaSaku) ——– 24

鮫テン (KisaTen) ———- 22

テマテン (TemaTen) —— 17

ゼツサク (ZetsuSaku) —- 14

イビ多由也 (IbiTayu) —— 9

コナサク (KonaSaku) —– 7

ゼツいの (ZetsuIno) —— 6

ペインコナ (PeinKona) —- 3

ヒダサク (HidaSaku) —— 3

ペインサク (PeinSaku) —- 2

ヒダいの (HidaIno) ——– 1 

 

Even if this poll was from a year ago, you can see how SS is near the first places and NH isn’t bad at all. Of course, these results changed because SNS lost popularity in the following years. 

Now the pixiv stadistics: 
 

Currently according to the most recent polls the most popular pairing in Japan is KakashiXIruka ? seriously ? that's sad that when even a gay pairing voted by none other than gay people is more popular then NaruHina despite gay people only making up about 9% of the worlds population, KakashiXIruka recieved a whooping 629,000 votes while NaruHina only recieved 42,600 votes in the 2015 Naruto pairing popularity polls, Kishimoto's and Studio Pierrot's plan to convince the Japanese audience that NaruHina is a plausible pairing failed horribly... especially since Japans current population (2016) is 126,324,994, I'll repeat NaruHina has failed horribly in Japan.


Even SasuNaru is miles ahead of NaruHina ? NaruHina truly sucks 


Also as of (2016) NaruHina has officially died, the fandom in Japan is borderline non existent, only 9,824 NaruHina fans as of June 2016, don't believe me then look at the source:


http://dic.pixiv.net.../a/????

 

NarutoXHinata isn't doing so well, so Studio Pierrot will have to pair Naruto and Hinata with someone else, hopefully Hinata will get paired with Sasuke and Naruto get's paired with Sakura.

 


Edited by BestSasuHinaSupporter, 28 June 2016 - 06:28 PM.


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 10:13 PM

I merely said that the domestic Japanese fanbase was one thing, but even if it does have more of an NS fanbase, SP clearly didn't care about that.

SP was always looking far more at what the international fanbase preferred (a much greater number of fans to look at which means much more money to make compared to what they'd get from the Japanese fanbase alone) and, unfortunately, a lot of the international fanbase APPEARED to prefer NH over NS (though there have been reports that SP blatantly lied about various poll results and such to Kishi to convince him to change the pairings). Whether that's true or not, SP grossly underestimated the international market as there were a lot more NS/SK/SNS/logical neutral fans than they expected and also underestimated the logical capacity of a lot of NH/SS fans (fans who like the pairings themselves, but still have the logic to know just how badly they were brought about, and how bad they still are, in the story and so still hate the ending and things that followed because of how terrible it made the characters look, and by extension, themselves as fans of those pairings).

There's also the fact that images, videos, and reviews of The Last were hitting the Internet and spreading quickly right after the first showings and so SP also lost the element of surprise in the international market compared to the domestic market, where they were able to trick people into pre-ordering tickets with misleading marketing and advertisements, then preventing refunds when the truth is revealed, since they already knew what the movie entailed. 

Such reasons are why, compared to the money made in Japan, The Last completely failed internationally and, as a result, SP actually lost more money than it gained overall, or broke even at best, which still isn't good for all the marketing done, and all merchandise that was made, but didn't sell, and that overall failure is why SP has been trying so hard to make Hinata look irrelevant again in the story by barely giving her any page/screen time or anything, as well as trying to blatantly attempt to "reset" the story through Boruto. They're hoping people will eventually forget...but we won't...


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Posted 28 June 2016 - 11:48 PM

I merely said that the domestic Japanese fanbase was one thing, but even if it does have more of an NS fanbase, SP clearly didn't care about that.

SP was always looking far more at what the international fanbase preferred (a much greater number of fans to look at which means much more money to make compared to what they'd get from the Japanese fanbase alone) and, unfortunately, a lot of the international fanbase APPEARED to prefer NH over NS (though there have been reports that SP blatantly lied about various poll results and such to Kishi to convince him to change the pairings). Whether that's true or not, SP grossly underestimated the international market as there were a lot more NS/SK/SNS/logical neutral fans than they expected and also underestimated the logical capacity of a lot of NH/SS fans (fans who like the pairings themselves, but still have the logic to know just how badly they were brought about, and how bad they still are, in the story and so still hate the ending and things that followed because of how terrible it made the characters look, and by extension, themselves as fans of those pairings).

There's also the fact that images, videos, and reviews of The Last were hitting the Internet and spreading quickly right after the first showings and so SP also lost the element of surprise in the international market compared to the domestic market, where they were able to trick people into pre-ordering tickets with misleading marketing and advertisements, then preventing refunds when the truth is revealed, since they already knew what the movie entailed. 

Such reasons are why, compared to the money made in Japan, The Last completely failed internationally and, as a result, SP actually lost more money than it gained overall, or broke even at best, which still isn't good for all the marketing done, and all merchandise that was made, but didn't sell, and that overall failure is why SP has been trying so hard to make Hinata look irrelevant again in the story by barely giving her any page/screen time or anything, as well as trying to blatantly attempt to "reset" the story through Boruto. They're hoping people will eventually forget...but we won't...

Just to add to this. The only two things that have been a "success" for this series since the ending are Boruto movie and The last Storm game.

 

The reason Boruto movie was a "success" was because it basically abandon the end pairings, and instead went for SNS. Which brought those fans back. It was successful enough that they later did a CD drama using Naruto and Sasuke voice actors for SNS fanfic.

 

The Storm game. One was one of the few things they couldn't pirate. Two had it's own fanbase. Three was the final one in the series. Four Street Fighter 5 was so poor they few people bought it and instead spent their money on Naruto Ninja storm 4 for their fighting game fix. 


Edited by Bail o' Lies, 29 June 2016 - 12:35 AM.


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Posted 29 June 2016 - 03:33 AM

Has anyone bothered to read Sakura's novel? I saw it at Walmart the other day, but I wasn't sure if it was worth wasting money on.



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Posted 29 June 2016 - 04:23 AM

Has anyone bothered to read Sakura's novel? I saw it at Walmart the other day, but I wasn't sure if it was worth wasting money on.

 

 

I skimmed through it out and only posted that little small scene when it came Naruto and Sakura's interaction, and I've shared it before, but I don't mind sharing it again: 

 

She heard that Naruto started teaching at the academy from time to time as a special lecturer after the Great War. And watching him now, he seemed to be doing an excellent job of it.  "Hey! When you're sparring, make sure you weave the sign of reconciliation! whether you're strong or weak or whatever, that's a ninja rule."

 

Students who did not follow the kata etiquette got a rap on the head from Naruto.

 

You were like that too, way back when, Sakura told him in her head and smiled softly.

 

Once he ha given instruction to all the students, Naruto had them line up and bowed with him.

 

Raising his head, he noticed Sakura. "Hey!" he called out. "Sakura!"

 

She waved her hand in a small gesture.

 

"You guys just wait a sec," Naruto told the children before trotting over to her, "What's up? You got the day off?"

 

"Mmm, well  I guess it's something like that," Sakura answered. "But look at you, you're quite the teacher , hmm"

 

"Right?" Naruto grinned and rubbed the bottom of his nose with a finger. He then clapped his hands together. "Oh, hey! You're  here now, why don't you give it a go too? teach them their kata." 

 

"What? No, I'm good." 

 

"Come on, just for a minute. Show them the incredible techniques of a lady ninja with superhuman strength!"

 

"Now look, you can just stop with the 'superhuman thing-"

 

"Hey! Guys! A super amazing guest teacher's come by you today!" Naruto turned to the children and shouted, and without a sparing second for Sakura's protest. "Check it out! Superhuman lady ninja teacher, Haruno Sakura!"

 

"And now you say it a second time!" Just as Sakura shot off this retort, the children joined their voices as one.

 

"Thank you very much, superhuman teacher!"

 

"See? This is because you shoot your mouth off!" Sakura said with a snort. 

 

"Hurry up!" he called, returning to the children. 

 

"This guy..." Sakura said to him in her mind, and briefly smiled.

 

Side note: There was also another small moment between them in chapter 4 if anyone wants me to write it out word for word as the novel did. 


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Posted 29 June 2016 - 04:52 AM

I skimmed through it out and only posted that little small scene when it came Naruto and Sakura's interaction, and I've shared it before, but I don't mind sharing it again: 
 

I enjoy reading it. Please let me (us?) know their interaction in chapter 4 :lol:

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 08:09 AM

Understand. Lucky writing the two good moment of the novel. The rest of it is Sakura pining over Sasuke wondering when he will return to her.



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Posted 29 June 2016 - 08:46 AM

@ Rocci
Critic is still exist in fandom but they carefully avoid NS minefield. About shipper most of us already move on, since the excitement already loong gone.

Edited by db84x, 29 June 2016 - 08:56 AM.






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