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[Nostradamus]

 

This is the opening day of the (Boruto Naruto The Movie) being released in Japanese theaters, Free balloons were given out to each person who purchased a ticket to see (Boruto Naruto The Movie)


Orange colored balloons represent: Naruto

Pink colored balloons represent: Sakura

Blue colored balloons represent: Hinata 


However in this image shown there isn't a Blue balloon in sight ? all of the people who went to see (Boruto Naruto The Movie) in Japanese theaters choose to get only the Orange and Pink colored balloons not the blue colored balloons unless my vision looking at this image is obscured lol


Also the people who choose the Orange and Pink colored ballooned are putting the Orange and Pink colored balloons close together as if they are saying that Naruto and Sakura belongs together ? this is a clear indication that a vast majority of the Japanese Naruto audience favors the NaruSaku pairing AND the (Boruto Naruto The Movie) was released AFTER (The Last Naruto The Movie) so because of that it clearly Implies that (The Last Naruto The Movie) Wasn't good enough to convince the Japanese Naruto Audience that Naruto and Hinata should have got together but rather Naruto and Sakura should have got together    


And as you can see, Kishimoto is IN THE THEATER ROOM AND HE IS SITTING NEXT TO THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE THE NARUTO AND SAKURA BALLOONS ? why is that ? didn't he state he always planned for Naruto and Hinata to be together at the end of the manga ? and that NaruHina was his favorite pairing ? if that is true Kishimoto then why didn't you sit with the people who choose the Orange and Blue colored balloons which represents Naruto and Hinata ? OH WAIT HE COULDN'T BECAUSE NO ONE CHOOSE THE BLUE COLORED BALLOONS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA    


And NaruHina fans claim that the Japanese Naruto audience favors the NaruHina pairing more then the NaruSaku pairing ? HAHAHAHA NaruHina retardation never ceases to amaze me.



You know why the Japanese Audience favors the NaruSaku pairing ? because they are not like the Low IQ (American Naruto Audience) who support the pairing NarutoXHinata, American NaruHina fans are idiots, NaruHina fans who would eat this shiit up no matter how forced, contrived, or nonsensical the pairing was.


NaruHina fans insist on labeling anyone that doesn't agree with the ending a "butthurt" NaruSaku fan simply because we didn't swallow the tripe set before us by Kishi and SP. Romance requires MUTUAL affection, there was NONE of that in Naruto. EVERYTHING was one sided as all hell. What leads to POTENTIAL romance, FRIENDSHIP and close friendship at that. Hinata was NOT a close friend of Naruto's in the story(manga). She was more like an acquaintance, someone you run into every once a blue moon. He and Sakura on the other hand, well I'm sure you already know about that    


Now lets go over as to why we intelligent NaruSaku and SasuHina fans believe why NarutoXSakura should have been the end pairing:





 

As the series developed and both characters matured, we see Naruto and Sakura develop something more than a friendship especially with the absence of Sasuke. Naruto’s once superficial attraction for Sakura became a genuine, deep love for her, a type of love that merits his need to protect her, care for her, and support her. In the same way, we see Sakura develop her feelings for Naruto; the once obnoxious brat she knew grew up to be a hero in her eyes. She never directly states how she feels about Naruto (not counting the Land of Iron confession, because we all know that was fake), but it’s easy to say that she does in fact care about Naruto on a level beyond just her friend.




Kishimoto essentially develops the NaruSaku relationship for almost all of Shippuden, only for it to be shiited on in two chapters (693, where Sakura says she still loves him after all these years, completely downplaying all the development of NaruSaku in the previous chapters, and 700 of course, where we see the actual pairings).


 

I just find all this incredibly wrong. Sakura loves a man who she hasn’t seen in years, thus giving no relationship development, and her only attraction toward Sasuke is a physical attraction she had when they were young (because all the girls thought he was so dreamy). Not to mention, Sasuke made attempts on Sakura’s life, to which NARUTO came and saved her (and countless other times from other enemies). Naruto ends up with a girl who’s merely infatuated with him, and the two have very few interactions that hint at a possible relationship.


 

If anything, we’ve all been played like fools by Kishi. He goes and develops the NaruSaku relationship for so long, only to troll us at the very end. We see Sakura slowly building feelings and a genuine love and care for Naruto. We get hints at a final NaruSaku ending when their peers constantly refer to Sakura as Naruto’s girlfriend and see parallels of Sakura and his mother. Minato himself states that Sakura reminds him of Kushina, and Kushina specifically says to Naruto to find a woman like herself. In my opinion, Hinata is nothing like Kushina. I saw that scene as a way of saying, find a woman who is strong like you are in both ability and spirit. Given all that Naruto and Sakura have gone through, it’s safe to say that Sakura is pretty strong in her constant support for Naruto, especially in the last arc.


 

There are also a few other things I’d like to mention. After the fight with Pain, Naruto was hugged by Sakura, not Hinata. In fact, Naruto didn’t even think about Hinata’s well being. Yes, he became fully enraged at the sight of Hinata being killed in front of him, but that was more of his desire to protect his friends. Had it been Sakura giving up her life, who knows what would’ve happened. Things might have been incredibly worse. When both Sasuke and Naruto “die” and meet the Sage of the Sixth Paths, it’s Sakura that tries to save Naruto and care about his being, and it’s KARIN that cares about Sasuke’s well being. In fact, that part in the manga shows exact parallels where both women seem to be traumatized at the thought of losing the person they love. If anything, Sasuke should have ended up with Karin, because Karin was the first woman he humbled himself to and apologized. It’s not like he apologized to Sakura after trying to kill her when he first arrived at the battlefield.


 

I also remember on multiple occasions where Sai tells Sakura that the things that she does are out of love for Naruto, and in fact, even tells Sakura that Naruto loves her. Yamato and Kakashi also both recognize that the two seem very intimate with each other. Naruto is honestly the only person to fully understand Sakura, especially because they share the same goal of rescuing Sasuke. a more complete Sakura story would be of “the story of a woman struggling to bring back the boy she loves, constantly being hurt, but then overcoming her naivety in womanhood to love the man that has stood by her side not only seeking the same goal, but protecting her until the very end.” THAT is how the series should have ended.


By the time Shippuden starts, we know for certain 3 goals that Naruto has:

1. To become Hokage

2. To bring back Sasuke (for Sakura and for himself)

3. To be with Sakura.


In a filler episode, Naruto talks about how he’s in love with Sakura but he knows that she still loves Sasuke, and he would do his best to win her over. For a person like Naruto, who’s always stood by his beliefs and his goals, doesn’t giving up on Sakura seem like a stepback in his character development? For Sakura to build such an intimate relationship with Naruto and then end up marrying the guy who tried to kill her seems pretty immature as well. And then Naruto goes out with a girl who he has barely any interactions with? The pairings themselves are just downright creepy.



 

I mentioned how Naruto needed someone strong like Kushina to be his wife. If Kishi had intended for NaruHina to be a thing, then Hinata should have been made out as a stronger character. Aside from TenTen, she’s probably the weakest (in ability, personality, and just overall screentime) out of the Konoha 11 females. Hell, we barely even see her at all. The main female roles are taken up by Sakura, Karin, and Tsunade, and yet the strong wife that Naruto is supposed to end up with is Hinata. Nothing makes sense with NaruHina, because it’s just not meant to be.

 

Naruto is a ROLE MODEL for boys, continue pursuing your goals, no matter how steep and dangerous the path, and for Naruto to not achieve his goal of getting with Sakura kind of distorts our perception of how the male-female relationship works. For young boys who followed all of Naruto, it seems like having the kitten win the main girl the correct way to win a girl’s heart, which is absolutely, and terribly wrong. Sure Naruto does end up with Hinata, but if you think about it, Sakura’s final confession to Sasuke kind of sealed the deal about how she felt about Sasuke, so Hinata is like a consolation prize for Naruto, since he obviously has to end up with SOMEONE, and that’s just really, really sad.


 

I know that the manga is completely set with their pairings, but since the anime isn’t complete, I’m holding on to a slight chance that the makers will have an alternative ending. I don’t think it’s quite fair for Naruto to have to go through so much, and not achieve his lifetime goal of being with Sakura. The way he loved on her is something that guys like us only wish we could do, and that’s what true love is about. For Kishi to not have Sakura fully recognize Naruto’s unconditional love for her is just plainly pitiful. I really hope that the anime gives us an alternate ending, cause quite frankly, fan fics don’t suffice. 

 

 

(The Last Naruto The Movie) has horrible development on the NaruHina relationship that beats out the past 10+ years I wasted watching NaruSaku develop and shipping NaruSaku (which quite frankly is impossible). Whatever. The salt is going to continue for a long time because people with an actual functioning mind who read and watched the Naruto Manga/Anime will always believe that Naruto and Sakura should have been the end pairing.

 

Small mistake. The first picture with the balloons is actually from The Last. There are a couple of pictures with Kishi himself and you can clearly see on his face that he isn't pleased with the direction his bosses took. Because the truth is Kishi was nothing more than a puppet for the people above him.

[BestSasuHinaSupporter]

Small mistake. The first picture with the balloons is actually from The Last. There are a couple of pictures with Kishi himself and you can clearly see on his face that he isn't pleased with the direction his bosses took. Because the truth is Kishi was nothing more than a puppet for the people above him.

Well if he was a puppet for the people above him then why didn't he go with NaruSaku ? thats apparently what the people above him wanted NOT NaruHina hahaha, aren't puppets suppose to be controlled ? hahaha

 

Edited by BestSasuHinaSupporter, 25 June 2016 - 11:08 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Well if he was a puppet for the people above him then why didn't he go with NaruSaku ? thats apparently what the people above him wanted NOT NaruHina hahaha, aren't puppets suppose to be controlled ? hahaha

 

The people above him wanted to make as much money as possible, they couldn't care less about which pairing happens. And they picked the one that they believed will make them the most amount of money. Thing is they also decided to trick fans which was a kitten move. Remember in the beginning the movie was advertised heavily as a Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi one, then they started to show sketches from the movie with Sakura while the narrator was saying something like "Sakura-Chan is so beautiful, maybe Naruto will finally..." can't remember exactly but it was something like that, then you have that picture at the premiere with yellow and pink pretty much everywhere.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

The people above him wanted to make as much money as possible, they couldn't care less about which pairing happens. And they picked the one that they believed will make them the most amount of money. Thing is they also decided to trick fans which was a kitten move. Remember in the beginning the movie was advertised heavily as a Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi one, then they started to show sketches from the movie with Sakura while the narrator was saying something like "Sakura-Chan is so beautiful, maybe Naruto will finally..." can't remember exactly but it was something like that, then you have that picture at the premiere with yellow and pink pretty much everywhere.

Yep, and then as soon as they had a substantial amount of pre-ordered tickets, only then did the marketing shift and reveal what the movie was really going to be about, with theaters made to refuse demanded refunds, something they never did for any previous Naruto movie.

[BestSasuHinaSupporter]

The people above him wanted to make as much money as possible, they couldn't care less about which pairing happens. And they picked the one that they believed will make them the most amount of money. Thing is they also decided to trick fans which was a kitten move. Remember in the beginning the movie was advertised heavily as a Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi one, then they started to show sketches from the movie with Sakura while the narrator was saying something like "Sakura-Chan is so beautiful, maybe Naruto will finally..." can't remember exactly but it was something like that, then you have that picture at the premiere with yellow and pink pretty much everywhere.

I'll ask again, then why didn't Kishimoto make NaruSaku cannon ? The people above him... no actually the entire theater room were all supporting NaruSaku Hence the orange and pink balloons that represent Naruto and Sakura, AND each person who obtained a balloon were holding the 2 colored balloons close together which means they were saying that Naruto and Sakura belong together, 


Blue balloons which represent Hinata were also given out, But not a single person in the theater accepted and took them, why is that ? every person in japan who purchased a ticket to see the movie all choose to get only the Orange and Pink colored balloons (NaruSaku) and we can assume that there were going to be much more coming over time since movie theater rooms can only hold so much people    Also the camera's image space didn't capture the ENTIRE theater room so who knows how much more NaruSaku fans this photo didn't show in the theater room 


The fact that NO ONE choose to get the Blue colored balloons (Hinata) clearly indicates that the NaruHina fandom in Japan is poor and lacking in existence, So how can Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot cater marketing to a non existing fandom ? oh yeah they will make "BIG PROFIT" off of NaruHina!    they are "Trying" make profit off the pairing they "Believe" will make the most profit ? well they failed to do that and lost that money source since Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot made NaruHina cannon while a vast majority of Naruto fans in Japan support NaruSaku which means they were the largest fanbase with the most fans contributing to Manga/Naruto Merchandise sells and Anime views, Because of Kishimoto's and Studio Pierrot's decision to make NaruHina cannon the NaruSaku fandom was lost in Japan, so how can they make profit off the most popular pairing if it is now non existent ? DOES KISHIMOTO AND STUDIO PIERROT THINK AND BE ASTUTE BEFORE THEY ACT ? my god do they have a brain ? 


So if NaruSaku is the more popular pairing in Naruto in japan then why didn't Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot cater marketing service to the NaruSaku fans ? if your trying to make money with your product then you will need to make sure your product is financially stable in your own country before spreading it and marketing it to other countries in the world, that's pretty much basic marketing 101, because of this we can assume that the Naruto Series is doing poorly financially in Japan since Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot choose to go with NaruHina while a vast majority of Naruto fans in Japan are NaruSaku Supporters.


This could explain why (The Last, Naruto The Movie) grossed the LEAST amount of Profit and got the lowest rating in japan compared to the previous Naruto movies released




Because if the vast majority of the Naruto audience in Japan is predominately NaruSaku fans then why would they favor and enjoy a movie that caters to NaruHina fans The barely existing pairing fandom in Japan, Because of this there were more people in Japan to give the movie a bad rating then a good one because the people who down voted (The Last Naruto The Movie) were all NaruSaku fans while the ones who gave (The Last Naruto The Movie) a positive rating were NaruHina fans.


And if you want to say that the people in that theater room were all just trying to lure NaruSaku fans deceiving them into thinking that NaruSaku would happen in (The Last Naruto The Movie) a NaruHina movie by holding Orange and Pink together representing NaruSaku because why would they the NaruSaku fans want to watch a movie of which Naruto and Hinata get together ? then how were they going to get the NaruHina fans to watch the movie ? that also deceives them into thinking that NaruSaku would happen in the movie so why would they the NaruHina fans want to watch a movie where Naruto and Sakura get together ? does this little "Ingenious" plot they concocted make any sense ? because if they wanted to cater to the NaruHina fans with this movie why would they make NaruSaku as a front that will discourage them from wanting to watch the movie ? so how can they market a movie about NaruHina FOR NaruHina fans if they are tricking and deceiving them into thinking NaruSaku will happen in the movie, IS THERE ANY WONDER WHY TICKET SELLS FOR THIS MOVIE DID SO BAD ? because they were making the fans unsure of what to do with their money  
 

 

This was complete stupidity from both Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot which is the very reason why (The Last Naruto The Movie) did so poorly in Japan because they were confusing the fans of whether they should purchase a ticket to see the movie or not because they were unsure if the movie would confirm their favorite pairing, this is the reason why the movie did so poor with ticket sales in japan, I'm beginning to question the intelligence level of both Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot, oh wait it's impossible to question about something that doesn't exist 

Edited by BestSasuHinaSupporter, 26 June 2016 - 04:40 AM.

[Yyubie]

@BestSasuHinaSupporter

He didn't make NS cannon because his mind is easy mind controlled/change. He listen to his assistant that NH more popular overseas and Sakura is hated and not fit as heroine. I believe those fans that holding orange and pink balloon are all getting payed by SP to trick fans into thinking that movie will have NS moment. Japan is small country ... even if all japan support NS it's still only like less than 10% world population ... so rather than pleasing that 10% population SP rather bet on 90% population outside their country , i think that is what they thinking at that time. Also that rating on TL is rigged, SP last effort trying to make bunch of multiple account to help increase the rating, if not i bet the rating of TL will be no more than 2.0.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

@BestSasuHinaSupporter

He didn't make NS cannon because his mind is easy mind controlled/change. He listen to his assistant that NH more popular overseas and Sakura is hated and not fit as heroine. I believe those fans that holding orange and pink balloon are all getting payed by SP to trick fans into thinking that movie will have NS moment. Japan is small country ... even if all japan support NS it's still only like less than 10% world population ... so rather than pleasing that 10% population SP rather bet on 90% population outside their country , i think that is what they thinking at that time. Also that rating on TL is rigged, SP last effort trying to make bunch of multiple account to help increase the rating, if not i bet the rating of TL will be no more than 2.0.

Not to mention SP getting any detailed criticizing comments removed. IIRC, there were three such comments that quickly became top rated comments that really detailed the movie and what was wrong with it, especially when compared to the manga story, and all three got removed despite not breaking any rules.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

@BestSasuHinaSupporter

He didn't make NS cannon because his mind is easy mind controlled/change. He listen to his assistant that NH more popular overseas and Sakura is hated and not fit as heroine. I believe those fans that holding orange and pink balloon are all getting payed by SP to trick fans into thinking that movie will have NS moment. Japan is small country ... even if all japan support NS it's still only like less than 10% world population ... so rather than pleasing that 10% population SP rather bet on 90% population outside their country , i think that is what they thinking at that time. Also that rating on TL is rigged, SP last effort trying to make bunch of multiple account to help increase the rating, if not i bet the rating of TL will be no more than 2.0.

 

Also.

 

Is not that he really listened to them. They took advantage of Kishi weariness that he has over the franchise and gave him a way out. If he never gave up, we would not of have this type of ending and pairings by him (at least most of them). However, given the fact the Shuiesha/Sj had made some changes to Kishi's manga staff from 2010 . During the 2010-2014 seasons, Kishi went through 13 different editors after Yahagi left him, due to a promotion (and you can bet most of those fired editors was forcing Kishi to write a NH story within the manga).

 

There was no grantee that NS would have a great ending if it became canon instead of NH/SS. Those Hinata/NH fanboys on his staff certainly would do their best to sabotage the NS ending. I may not have any evidence, but I'm very positive Kishi was aware of this, which was one of the reasons why he wanted out of the franchise. Why continue forcing yourself to prolong the manga just to make NS happen in the end, only to have the same results as the current ending or worse? It so bad that Kishi knew that he had to sell his soul to devil just to get away from this franchise. 

 

Tills this day, people still hate him or pity him, but nevertheless. This is a great tragedy to befall any author that only comes second to death its self. The ones who are responsible are the "irrational" and "ill-tempered" fans and the biased staff members for interfering with what Kishi and Yahagi original "planned" all because of Moe character with big jugs and a stupid shojou pairing that brought the worse out of Sakura.

[Dalton.T.R]

Well, as the author, he should of had the power to tell the NH fanboy/girls to back off and just tell them it was going to be a NaruSaku ending, even if it was poorly written. As the author, he should have been untouchable considering he held all the copyright with it being his idea and all. SP shouldn't have been able to walk over him like that. 

[BestSasuHinaSupporter]

After diligently investigating this case of Kishimoto allowing his Editors to dictate his work despite Naruto being his story which he has absolute control over I found that the editors are the culprits of alternating Kishimoto's manga Naruto,


From what I discovered this is the reason why the editors convinced Kishimoto to go with NaruHina:


It started with a meeting between a rookie manga artist and young editor, Naruto: The Beginning! The manga we love and know has reached it’s finale, but the insight and knowledge from the key people behind it continues. In the latest instance, Naruto creator Masashi Kishimoto and founding editor Kosuke Yahagi come together to discuss the the journey of the Naruto series from serialization to worldwide phenomenon! Take a look at the fifteen question interview, originally posted in Jump SQ magazine and recently in the American version of Jump. When reading, please keep in mind it was conducted BEFORE Naruto’s official conclusion on November 10, 2014.












In essence: Kishimoto didn't want to create a love triangle for his main character in the first place, his editor talked that into him. Sakura was not meant to be a love interest for Naruto. So if you want to rage at someone for feeling betrayed it´s the editors fault, the love triangle was established for the sake of making money. 
 

Sakura was meant to adore Sasuke from the start and keep on loving him. Naruto needed a counterpart and judging from her characteristics Hinata is basically a female version of him. She was the supporting character that was cheering for her man from the backlines , the good dependable caring woman, and that´s how she was portrayed in all of Shippuden. All that hinting all that trolling towards a NaruSaku ending was just marketing. They teased both pairings cause they knew teasing people would make them read the chapters in hope of more tease.



However, as I pointed out the hints within my topic:

http://www.narusaku....showtopic=15686


We are likely to see NaruSaku and SasuHina come to fruition, So my fellow NaruSaku and SasuHina fans we have a new hope to grasp to 

Edited by BestSasuHinaSupporter, 26 June 2016 - 09:24 PM.

[rocci]

@bestsasuhina
Without the editor input, you'll not get love triangle but you'll also not get sasuke and sakura.
Editor(especially yahagi) play big role in this manga, for good or for bad.

And no, the love triangle establish to move the plot and create main characters interaction.

The reason on why kishi allowed the editor to dictate his story because he's suck at making one.

[BestSasuHinaSupporter]

@bestsasuhina
Without the editor input, you'll not get love triangle but you'll also not get sasuke and sakura.
Editor(especially yahagi) play big role in this manga, for good or for bad.

And no, the love triangle establish to move the plot and create main characters interaction.

The reason on why kishi allowed the editor to dictate his story because he's suck at making one.

 

I think Kishimoto's main issue is that he was way too ambivalent & structureless when it comes to creating his Love triangle. In part 2 he concentrated with Sakura way too much despite him describing Hinata as far better Heroine. Yet we never had her getting enough panel time with Naruto in order to create a good relationship. Granted he admitted his weakness but then again he could have invested more time with his favorite pairings and thus creating much more interactions.


Kishimoto was indeed considering having Naruto marry Sakura according to the interview he partaken in:

 


This translates to: 

"There was a time when I was on the fence about going with Sakura, but after coming this far and just having Sakura switch over to loving Naruto would make her kind of a terrible woman."


He pretty much confirms that he was going the NaruHina route with this comment however Naruto and Hinata's relationship is questionable because all of Naruto and Hinata's romance ever was always from Hinata's side 1 sided affection Naruto never showed any love interest in her and it was doubtful to consider the relationship to even come to fruition.


NaruHina fans insist on labeling anyone that doesn't agree with the ending a "butthurt" NaruSaku fan simply because we didn't swallow the tripe set before us by Kishi and SP. Romance requires MUTUAL affection, there was NONE of that in Naruto. EVERYTHING was one sided as all hell. What leads to POTENTIAL romance, FRIENDSHIP and close friendship at that. Hinata was NOT a close friend of Naruto's in the story(manga). She was more like an acquaintance, someone you run into every once a blue moon. He and Sakura on the other hand, well I'm sure you already know about that  

In retroperspective it´s most logical shipping post time skip the whole confusion came from people refusing to accept their favorite pairings fading despite the Pairings such as NaruSaku making the MOST SENSE. But, it´s undeniable that the teasing was put in for marketing reasons. They know that cringy people are retarded. 

What I´m trying to say is Hinata's sole purpose within the series was from the very start, only to become Naruto's waifu, her whole development as a character was centered around Naruto despite Hinata being absent from Naruto for 90% of the entire manga series. Kishi didn´t change his mind midway into changing her from a side character into a wife character. Sakura was meant to be Sasukes fangirl/ future wife/ glue that sticks Naruto and Sasuke together because she was designed to be that from the start, but Kakashi took that spot away from her and pushed her into oblivion where Kishimoto forgot about her and we never saw her again doing anything useful. Kishimoto was told to by his Editor to build in a "love triangle", which sole purpose was to tease people and make them root for an unnecessary romance subplot, addressing the 14 year old teenage girl in everyone of us who dreams of her perfect wedding.

 

A large majority of NaruSaku fans wanted to see Sasuke being defeated possibly killed and Naruto getting his reward afterwards "the girl". Well problem was, this wasn't Kishimoto's story this was "a generic cliche story many people wanted" the Editor including. 

Kishimoto wanted to make a story about friendship and bonds forged on the battlefields on the verge of death. The whole romantic "kitten" was just some extra to create the next generation created by no other then the stupid editor.

Even if Hinata was supposed to end up with Naruto from the start, that still doesn't change the fact that her "Romance Development" with Naruto was trash. There is no way to defend Sakura as a character. Kishimoto was writing Sakura to be pretty much the worst female character in the whole series so that she would look like a bad female for Naruto to make NaruHina look so much better in comparison to increase the popularity of NaruHina. It´s less her actions itself, but the execution of her actions. I could go on a rant on why Sakura was written so horribly in an objective way stating in every little detail but that was done countless times.

 

In essence Sakura is a main character with worse development and less relevant screentime than some side characters. She´s a boring character that get´s lots of screentime to do nothing, fail or pity herself for being a failure. This would be perfectly fine even as a main character, if her main personality trait wasn't meant to be the highly self confident main heroine of the story who fights on equal footing besides the hero of the story. This was never delivered. Temari is the perfect example of what Sakura could have been if she was written as the character she describes herself to be. And Hinata is the perfect example of how Sakura should have been seeing herself with her accomplishments, If Kishimoto wanted Hinata to be the main Heroine then why did he make Sakura the main heroline then ? in fact why have only 1 female per ninja team ? it could have been 4 genin per team with Hinata included on team 7 that is a simple solution to fix Naruto and Hinata's lack of romantic or just a relationship at all that Kishimoto never thought of over the course of 700 chapters of the 15 years the Naruto series has existed, Kishimoto really isn't a very good writer.


 

Tenten is one of the most hated character because she´s boring and has nearly no screentime, yet that´s basicly her excuse. No screentime= what should I do? But Sakura had the chance to redeem herself (with her amount of screentime) multiple times from the "I´m a totally unbelieveable unrealistic useless kitten " into I´m a generic but decent character . Yet she didn´t. Instead she annoyed the kitten out of the audience with her self proclaimed badassness, like every time Skyler white appears in Breaking Bad. Ok let´s be honest no woman can hold a candle to Skyler white in terms of annoyance that kitten is obnoxious, but you get the point.


 

 

Kishimoto himself stated and apologized for Sakura's confusing character development. He just forgot about her.

If you play league of legends I´ll explain Sakuras character with an analogy. She´s Fiora she´s a failed attempt. Kishi tried to do something with her but did it wrong, noticed it later, but when he did it was already to late for her and every trial to redemption made it worse.

 

And no compared to Hinata's development Sakura's developement was great. As what she should become. She was not meant to steal the heroines place. Her whole purpose is to be that waifu character. Stay back be silent but when it's necessary stand up and fight for your man. For a side character that´s more than enough, heck Chichi had less impact in DBZ. 

 

Hinata should have been the feminist counterpart to Naruto. A woman that stands her ground, but she failed, she failed on the whole line Temari delivered what she should with the small screentime she had. 
 

 

Most independent woman in the manga Temari. Konan/Mai are good examples of strong woman Hinata is the opposite.Woman with the strongst resolve in the manga Sakura. 

 

 

If you can explain to me why Hinata is written as decent character I´m not asking to explain to me why she´s a good character I'll gladly listen, because I personally can't find any redemption. And neither could Kishimoto.

 

And i could find a solid explanation in Kakashis Susanoo as well as how Naruto could forgive Obito for killing his parents.

If the purpose of a character is to be the MC wife which is hinted from the start, because that character has no other reasoning to be in the show, people shouldn´t be surprised about the outcome. However if that was your plan Kishimoto then why did you keep Naruto and Hinata separated and not interact with each other for like 90% of the entire manga series ? that's why you're fans felt the end pairings were rushed and forced because they didn't receive any romantic development prior to chapter 700 leading to chapter 700
 

The whole purpose of Hinata's character is to be a wife character that´s why she´s a moe character, oh look she´s so kawai squeal!! Would she make a good main character? No! Is she a good supporting character? Yes, because she fulfilled her purpose! Look at Chichi, her whole purpose in the show was marry Goku, annoy the kitten out of Gohan in the later series, create awkward scenes with Goku and her.
 

 

Sakura on the other hand had enough screentime to show her own personality to the audience. That personality is opinion based.

But the whole hinting of her becoming the love interest of Naruto was just for money making, However as NaruSaku fans we are against that.

My assumption was that he just wanted to pair up Naruto with Sakura in a generic " i don´t care about this, kind of way" and considered killing off Sasuke or making him into a wandering hermit, basicly redempting Sakura from loving the bad guy.Then changing his mind midway by changing Sasuke's fate and therefore changing Hinata's impact to the story, basically using her as a backup plan. Since he didn't care much anyway. The latest interview showed me that it was more planed out. In essence Kishimoto wanted to give Naruto a love interest for the sole purpose of the "next generation" , but his editor told him to create a love triangle.
 

As for Sasukes Character. Sasuke in a nutshell:





Sasuke: My family get´s killed I want revenge, kitten I was wrong my family was a danger to humanity and I kinda get why they had to die from an objective pov. Big Bro was forced to do it and did it the gentlier way.

 

Sasuke: Now I´m gonna lie to myself and everyone else through the the whole storyline in order to convince myself into becoming like my brother although I know deep down I´m not like him and I hate to be that kind of person that emotionless burden holder for the world.

 

Sasuke: Last chapter, I tried to kill my best friend and failed, my failure showed me that´s not my destiny to be the emotionless antihero, but I have to give in to my feelings and let my bro save the world. I'm done lying to myself and I´m gonna embrace the feelings I had since all up till now was a charade, I was just confused.
 

 

Naruto and Sakuras point of view is that Sasuke isn't bad at heart we knew better than him all the time, last chapter 700 has proven us right. the whole point of his character is, his friends know himself better than he does. He pretends to be the bad guy and in order to prove that to himself he tries to kill off his emotions and kill his beloved ones.

 

As for the Sakura killing part, she tried to kill him herself, she was dedicated till she was in front of him where she got shaken, well yeah he used to be really mad at that point of the story. He was mad at the world and wanted to kill everybody which was understandable. Though his change of heart is unrelateable it´s understandable giving the kittened up circumstances he grew up with.

 

If anything, we’ve all been played like fools by Kishimoto and his stupid editors. He and his editorsgoes and develops the NaruSaku relationship for so long, only to troll us at the very end. We see Sakura slowly building feelings and a genuine love and care for Naruto. We get hints at a final NaruSaku ending when their peers constantly refer to Sakura as Naruto’s girlfriend and see parallels of Sakura and his mother. Minato himself states that Sakura reminds him of Kushina, and Kushina specifically says to Naruto to find a woman like herself. In my opinion, Hinata is nothing like Kushina. I saw that scene as a way of saying, find a woman who is strong like you are in both ability and spirit. Given all that Naruto and Sakura have gone through, it’s safe to say that Sakura is pretty strong in her constant support for Naruto, especially in the last arc.




I just find all this incredibly wrong. Sakura loves a man who she hasn’t seen in years, thus giving no relationship development, and her only attraction toward Sasuke is a physical attraction she had when they were young (because all the girls thought he was so dreamy). Not to mention, Sasuke made attempts on Sakura’s life, to which NARUTO came and saved her (and countless other times from other enemies). Naruto ends up with a girl who’s merely infatuated with him, and the two have very few interactions that hint at a possible relationship.


I know that the manga is completely set with their pairings, but since the anime isn’t complete, I’m holding on to a slight chance that the makers will have an alternative ending. I don’t think it’s quite fair for Naruto to have to go through so much, and not achieve his lifetime goal of being with Sakura. The way he loved on her is something that guys like us only wish we could do, and that’s what true love is about. For Kishi to not have Sakura fully recognize Naruto’s unconditional love for her is just plainly pitiful. I really hope that the anime gives us an alternate ending, cause quite frankly, fan fics don’t suffice.




 

 

 

Edited by BestSasuHinaSupporter, 27 June 2016 - 04:48 AM.

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Oh yes that statement made him a sexists. Women are not allow to move on to find new boyfriends and remarry? 

Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 27 June 2016 - 10:29 AM.

[Popuri]

The statement that I dislike so much.

[Yyubie]

So if a girl ... Sakura for example love Sasuke ... and then Sasuke married with Karin, Sakura have to remain single for the rest of her live or become Sasuke mistress / second wife ???

[db84x]

@db
1. Show me the scan of the popularity poll or you just made up.
2. Show me the source that show the author do that or you could say it just your assumption.

Comedy moment when tsundere beat a hero =/= supporting women beat men.
Kishi is sexist, that's true and he's awful writer.

 

1. I don't have it, but based on WSJ there are popularity poll when manga reach a year.  (Btw Naruto have it too, and you knew how its effect to Naruto future dev anyway)

2. Read this, difference Mizuki Kawakittena crushed while Kishi pleased (Since his dream come true even only in manga).

 

In Japan culture, it call bullying (bold statement).  Most of Japan kid and preteen don't want that ruin their dreamland while majority otaku hate it because it remind them about RL.  Kishi just made majority of fans (and himself) come true, shounen is for kid, preteen or adult who want run away from RL.  

 

@ all

Friendly remainder shounen =/= RL while seinen = RL, Naruto story is for kid, preteen and adult who want to avoid RL.

Edited by db84x, 27 June 2016 - 12:24 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

We all know that Naruto is fiction. We established this a long time ago. The main point is the writing isn't good. There's no real excuse for this. If anything, any excuse such as being Shounen would only defeat the purpose of criticism.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 27 June 2016 - 01:40 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

So if a girl ... Sakura for example love Sasuke ... and then Sasuke married with Karin, Sakura have to remain single for the rest of her live or become Sasuke mistress / second wife ???

 

Yes, because a woman's value and self-worth is dependent on her love for a man.

 

And having said that, even sarcastically, I think I'm going to be sick now.

[Nostradamus]

I'll ask again, then why didn't Kishimoto make NaruSaku cannon ? The people above him... no actually the entire theater room were all supporting NaruSaku Hence the orange and pink balloons that represent Naruto and Sakura, AND each person who obtained a balloon were holding the 2 colored balloons close together which means they were saying that Naruto and Sakura belong together, 


Blue balloons which represent Hinata were also given out, But not a single person in the theater accepted and took them, why is that ? every person in japan who purchased a ticket to see the movie all choose to get only the Orange and Pink colored balloons (NaruSaku) and we can assume that there were going to be much more coming over time since movie theater rooms can only hold so much people    Also the camera's image space didn't capture the ENTIRE theater room so who knows how much more NaruSaku fans this photo didn't show in the theater room 


The fact that NO ONE choose to get the Blue colored balloons (Hinata) clearly indicates that the NaruHina fandom in Japan is poor and lacking in existence, So how can Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot cater marketing to a non existing fandom ? oh yeah they will make "BIG PROFIT" off of NaruHina!    they are "Trying" make profit off the pairing they "Believe" will make the most profit ? well they failed to do that and lost that money source since Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot made NaruHina cannon while a vast majority of Naruto fans in Japan support NaruSaku which means they were the largest fanbase with the most fans contributing to Manga/Naruto Merchandise sells and Anime views, Because of Kishimoto's and Studio Pierrot's decision to make NaruHina cannon the NaruSaku fandom was lost in Japan, so how can they make profit off the most popular pairing if it is now non existent ? DOES KISHIMOTO AND STUDIO PIERROT THINK AND BE ASTUTE BEFORE THEY ACT ? my god do they have a brain ? 


So if NaruSaku is the more popular pairing in Naruto in japan then why didn't Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot cater marketing service to the NaruSaku fans ? if your trying to make money with your product then you will need to make sure your product is financially stable in your own country before spreading it and marketing it to other countries in the world, that's pretty much basic marketing 101, because of this we can assume that the Naruto Series is doing poorly financially in Japan since Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot choose to go with NaruHina while a vast majority of Naruto fans in Japan are NaruSaku Supporters.


This could explain why (The Last, Naruto The Movie) grossed the LEAST amount of Profit and got the lowest rating in japan compared to the previous Naruto movies released




Because if the vast majority of the Naruto audience in Japan is predominately NaruSaku fans then why would they favor and enjoy a movie that caters to NaruHina fans The barely existing pairing fandom in Japan, Because of this there were more people in Japan to give the movie a bad rating then a good one because the people who down voted (The Last Naruto The Movie) were all NaruSaku fans while the ones who gave (The Last Naruto The Movie) a positive rating were NaruHina fans.


And if you want to say that the people in that theater room were all just trying to lure NaruSaku fans deceiving them into thinking that NaruSaku would happen in (The Last Naruto The Movie) a NaruHina movie by holding Orange and Pink together representing NaruSaku because why would they the NaruSaku fans want to watch a movie of which Naruto and Hinata get together ? then how were they going to get the NaruHina fans to watch the movie ? that also deceives them into thinking that NaruSaku would happen in the movie so why would they the NaruHina fans want to watch a movie where Naruto and Sakura get together ? does this little "Ingenious" plot they concocted make any sense ? because if they wanted to cater to the NaruHina fans with this movie why would they make NaruSaku as a front that will discourage them from wanting to watch the movie ? so how can they market a movie about NaruHina FOR NaruHina fans if they are tricking and deceiving them into thinking NaruSaku will happen in the movie, IS THERE ANY WONDER WHY TICKET SELLS FOR THIS MOVIE DID SO BAD ? because they were making the fans unsure of what to do with their money  
 

 

This was complete stupidity from both Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot which is the very reason why (The Last Naruto The Movie) did so poorly in Japan because they were confusing the fans of whether they should purchase a ticket to see the movie or not because they were unsure if the movie would confirm their favorite pairing, this is the reason why the movie did so poor with ticket sales in japan, I'm beginning to question the intelligence level of both Kishimoto and Studio Pierrot, oh wait it's impossible to question about something that doesn't exist 

The reason why Kishi didn't make NS canon, is because he couldn't. Because it wasn't his decision. The decision was made for him by his superiors. Superiors that don't care about Kishi or his story or the fans. They only care about one thing, and that is money.

Why did they lure the NS fans in Japan to a Hinata movie? Simple because they know that in their own country NS has more fans that NH, so they can get more money from them. Same thing they did with the Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi fans when they used those three to promote the kitten out of their movie in order to get everyone to buy tickets. Because at the end of the day they wanted to make as much money as possible regardless of what tactics they used.

They chose to be sneaky bastards about it because they knew if they revealed from the beginning that the movie was going to a NH movie then the Japanese won't go to see it.

 

 

Well, as the author, he should of had the power to tell the NH fanboy/girls to back off and just tell them it was going to be a NaruSaku ending, even if it was poorly written. As the author, he should have been untouchable considering he held all the copyright with it being his idea and all. SP shouldn't have been able to walk over him like that. 

Well apparently he didn't hold the rights. He was just the "Yes" man for his overlords.

 

So if a girl ... Sakura for example love Sasuke ... and then Sasuke married with Karin, Sakura have to remain single for the rest of her live or become Sasuke mistress / second wife ???

Yes. Most definitely, yes.

A woman must love her first love forever and ever and ever and ever until the end of time. And never move on.

But it's ok if you're a man. Then you can love as many women as you want because it's perfectly ok. Especially if you're only interested in women if someone else wants them. You know rivalry.

 

 

 

 

That quote should go into a book called "Things you should never say" that must be mandatory for everyone to read.

Edited by Nostradamus, 27 June 2016 - 05:36 PM.

[AHK]

Yes, because a woman's value and self-worth is dependent on her love for a man.
 
And having said that, even sarcastically, I think I'm going to be sick now.

also, men aren't smart enough to feel, and they're not allowed to love who they want. They have to love a woman that they've never felt anything for, only because she "loved" him for a really long time, even though they've barely ever interacted. It's all about what the woman wants, the mans feelings don't matter.

Gotta love the morals put forth by this fantastic story