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[TheFirstEvil100]

The Doctor is a name, a title. the title of the man who survived the time war. A man who destroyed two of the greatest races in the universe including his own. A man that fights wars without raising a finger or weapon. A man who runs from his life and his time with nothing to hold on to. A Time Lord the final one in existence who lives with such hate, fear and fury. The Doctor, The oncoming storm, the destroyer of worlds, the protector of earth, A mad Man in a blue box. Who wouldn't be scared?

 

If you see the Doctor charging towards you and don't do a damned thing, if you plan on something and the Doctor is against it, and you brush it off, if you don't cower at the mention of his name, if your blood doesn't boil and your spine doesn't tingle as he stares you down... you don't know the first thing about being alive in this universe.

[rocci]

@db
That cultural kitten is not exclusive to asian culture.
Some people criticize it and that's fair.


Yes, I know that they're in the same magazine and no they're not the same because if they took the same aproach then toujo will become the mc girl not tsukasa since toujo is more resemble to Hinata.
This is your problem that you make by comparing tsukasa with Hinata. They're not comparable at all.

And the author doesn't make the end pairing based on popularity. You read the author note in the last chapter.

And where is the thing that said Hinata is his ideal girl?
Because if she's, she'll be put more just like his lover sasuke.

Edited by rocci, 23 June 2016 - 10:30 PM.

[db84x]

Rocci it was Tsukasa popularity which draw more of her development in story, simply said fans want more Tsukasa not Toujo despite author intention.  Same with Naruto, Hinata got more development because fans want Hinata while Kishi himself secretly want Hinata type as his wife but all of you knew the story right.  What fans want, is what WSJ will be done.

 

Asian especially East Asian is proud with their culture, NS already became poster children how actually good material became so toxic for all fandom because it corrupted by alien idea.  For friendly remainder, Narusaku admin actually realize how unproductive insulting Asian culture but some people ignorant about it and made Kishi easier to do his secret fantasy because NS idea already became symbol of western intrusion into Asian culture.   

Edited by db84x, 24 June 2016 - 01:41 PM.

[Catra]

Madara didn't even do that many cool moves either. You'd think that he'd be using what Nagato was using with the Rinnegan and then some considering Madara was much, much stronger than Nagato was. After all the Uchiha and Sharingan wanking, even the supposed "strongest doujutsu" felt sub-par by comparison.

some were cool to look at, the anime did his fight with the alliance justice, the perfect susanoo, the kyuubi and susanoo combo, his look when he became the ten tails host, the meteor is garbage though. i can accept making a little miniature moon but actually having the sky poop meteors is just too much

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

some were cool to look at, the anime did his fight with the alliance justice, the perfect susanoo, the kyuubi and susanoo combo, his look when he became the ten tails host, the meteor is garbage though. i can accept making a little miniature moon but actually having the sky poop meteors is just too much

I didn't really think much about the Perfect Susano'o or the Kyubi/Susano'o combo simply because they're just extensions of Sharingan-based moves (it doesn't help that they made the Rinnegan an "evolution" of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan when mixing in Senju DNA). I was hoping for more unique moves and abilities that could truly be said ONLY the Rinnegan can do like Nagato did through the Six Paths.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I was hoping ninja stuff. But oh well.

[Catra]

BUT NINJA'S WEAR NOISY HEAVY ARMOR, SUMMON GIANT FRACK OFF ANIMALS, RIDE GIANT SPIRITUAL MECHS AND POOP METEORS DIDN'T YOU KNOW??? oh yeah and they endure but who cares EXPLOSIONS!!! KAPOW KABOOM PSSHHHSAAAOW~

Edited by Catra, 25 June 2016 - 12:51 AM.

[Nostradamus]

Ninjas can also do this:

 

Oh Never mind.

[Catra]

to be fair being super strong you can bench press the wolrd got old for me quick. I liked some of naruto's fights because some of them did involve a lot of stradegy and planning (neji's fight against the spider dude, shikamaru against the flute lady, hell all of his fights really) heck even lee's fights were neat.

 

when i saw naruto i thought he was gonna be a prankster, like he'd set up traps or w/e for his enemies to fall in like the sly fox he can be. we kind of got that with the gaara fight but that was it. everything else was shadow clones and rasengan and if those didn't work, kurama chakra punch.

[rocci]

@db
What's your proof that tsukasa is more popular than aya?
I want you to provide me with weekly shonen jump popularity poll.

Tsukasa is not more popular than aya, because aya is the girly girl of the series like onodera.
And the author never said or imply that she make tsukasa the end pairing because she's more popular than aya just like that kitten naruto author.
It's all base on progress, the thing that kitten manga need to follow.
Tell me why do you think mizuki kawakittena sensei draw naruto and sakura plush for 10th anniversary of naruto?

People critics something is nothing new. Fan critic something from naruto is happen long before the ending and not after the ending. And no, people hate NS not because we critics the asian culture. Get your fact right and if you don't like someone critic something, you just need to counter it or get out.

[rocci]

I was hoping ninja stuff. But oh well.

It's still ninja manga with ninja stuff.
Even with all the super power and magic.

It's not the fire work that become the problem, but the consistency.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Ninjas can also do this:

 

Oh Never mind.

I laugh so hard whenever anyone tries to say Naruto could beat Goku. XD

[Yyubie]

Oh i saw that photos after The Last Premiere/Early screening. At first yes i have a strong feeling that balloon color have hidden meaning but ... it's been 2 and half year and nothing happens. I don't think it has any meaning, it's just decorations or bait.

[BestSasuHinaSupporter]

This is the opening day of the (Boruto Naruto The Movie) being released in Japanese theaters, Free balloons were given out to each person who purchased a ticket to see (Boruto Naruto The Movie)


Orange colored balloons represent: Naruto

Pink colored balloons represent: Sakura

Blue colored balloons represent: Hinata 


However in this image shown there isn't a Blue balloon in sight ? all of the people who went to see (Boruto Naruto The Movie) in Japanese theaters choose to get only the Orange and Pink colored balloons not the blue colored balloons unless my vision looking at this image is obscured lol


Also the people who choose the Orange and Pink colored ballooned are putting the Orange and Pink colored balloons close together as if they are saying that Naruto and Sakura belongs together ? this is a clear indication that a vast majority of the Japanese Naruto audience favors the NaruSaku pairing AND the (Boruto Naruto The Movie) was released AFTER (The Last Naruto The Movie) so because of that it clearly Implies that (The Last Naruto The Movie) Wasn't good enough to convince the Japanese Naruto Audience that Naruto and Hinata should have got together but rather Naruto and Sakura should have got together    


And as you can see, Kishimoto is IN THE THEATER ROOM AND HE IS SITTING NEXT TO THE PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE THE NARUTO AND SAKURA BALLOONS ? why is that ? didn't he state he always planned for Naruto and Hinata to be together at the end of the manga ? and that NaruHina was his favorite pairing ? if that is true Kishimoto then why didn't you sit with the people who choose the Orange and Blue colored balloons which represents Naruto and Hinata ? OH WAIT HE COULDN'T BECAUSE NO ONE CHOOSE THE BLUE COLORED BALLOONS HAHAHAHAHAHAHA    


And NaruHina fans claim that the Japanese Naruto audience favors the NaruHina pairing more then the NaruSaku pairing ? HAHAHAHA NaruHina retardation never ceases to amaze me.



You know why the Japanese Audience favors the NaruSaku pairing ? because they are not like the Low IQ (American Naruto Audience) who support the pairing NarutoXHinata, American NaruHina fans are idiots, NaruHina fans who would eat this shiit up no matter how forced, contrived, or nonsensical the pairing was.


NaruHina fans insist on labeling anyone that doesn't agree with the ending a "butthurt" NaruSaku fan simply because we didn't swallow the tripe set before us by Kishi and SP. Romance requires MUTUAL affection, there was NONE of that in Naruto. EVERYTHING was one sided as all hell. What leads to POTENTIAL romance, FRIENDSHIP and close friendship at that. Hinata was NOT a close friend of Naruto's in the story(manga). She was more like an acquaintance, someone you run into every once a blue moon. He and Sakura on the other hand, well I'm sure you already know about that    


Now lets go over as to why we intelligent NaruSaku and SasuHina fans believe why NarutoXSakura should have been the end pairing:





 

As the series developed and both characters matured, we see Naruto and Sakura develop something more than a friendship especially with the absence of Sasuke. Naruto’s once superficial attraction for Sakura became a genuine, deep love for her, a type of love that merits his need to protect her, care for her, and support her. In the same way, we see Sakura develop her feelings for Naruto; the once obnoxious brat she knew grew up to be a hero in her eyes. She never directly states how she feels about Naruto (not counting the Land of Iron confession, because we all know that was fake), but it’s easy to say that she does in fact care about Naruto on a level beyond just her friend.




Kishimoto essentially develops the NaruSaku relationship for almost all of Shippuden, only for it to be shiited on in two chapters (693, where Sakura says she still loves him after all these years, completely downplaying all the development of NaruSaku in the previous chapters, and 700 of course, where we see the actual pairings).


 

I just find all this incredibly wrong. Sakura loves a man who she hasn’t seen in years, thus giving no relationship development, and her only attraction toward Sasuke is a physical attraction she had when they were young (because all the girls thought he was so dreamy). Not to mention, Sasuke made attempts on Sakura’s life, to which NARUTO came and saved her (and countless other times from other enemies). Naruto ends up with a girl who’s merely infatuated with him, and the two have very few interactions that hint at a possible relationship.


 

If anything, we’ve all been played like fools by Kishi. He goes and develops the NaruSaku relationship for so long, only to troll us at the very end. We see Sakura slowly building feelings and a genuine love and care for Naruto. We get hints at a final NaruSaku ending when their peers constantly refer to Sakura as Naruto’s girlfriend and see parallels of Sakura and his mother. Minato himself states that Sakura reminds him of Kushina, and Kushina specifically says to Naruto to find a woman like herself. In my opinion, Hinata is nothing like Kushina. I saw that scene as a way of saying, find a woman who is strong like you are in both ability and spirit. Given all that Naruto and Sakura have gone through, it’s safe to say that Sakura is pretty strong in her constant support for Naruto, especially in the last arc.


 

There are also a few other things I’d like to mention. After the fight with Pain, Naruto was hugged by Sakura, not Hinata. In fact, Naruto didn’t even think about Hinata’s well being. Yes, he became fully enraged at the sight of Hinata being killed in front of him, but that was more of his desire to protect his friends. Had it been Sakura giving up her life, who knows what would’ve happened. Things might have been incredibly worse. When both Sasuke and Naruto “die” and meet the Sage of the Sixth Paths, it’s Sakura that tries to save Naruto and care about his being, and it’s KARIN that cares about Sasuke’s well being. In fact, that part in the manga shows exact parallels where both women seem to be traumatized at the thought of losing the person they love. If anything, Sasuke should have ended up with Karin, because Karin was the first woman he humbled himself to and apologized. It’s not like he apologized to Sakura after trying to kill her when he first arrived at the battlefield.


 

I also remember on multiple occasions where Sai tells Sakura that the things that she does are out of love for Naruto, and in fact, even tells Sakura that Naruto loves her. Yamato and Kakashi also both recognize that the two seem very intimate with each other. Naruto is honestly the only person to fully understand Sakura, especially because they share the same goal of rescuing Sasuke. a more complete Sakura story would be of “the story of a woman struggling to bring back the boy she loves, constantly being hurt, but then overcoming her naivety in womanhood to love the man that has stood by her side not only seeking the same goal, but protecting her until the very end.” THAT is how the series should have ended.


By the time Shippuden starts, we know for certain 3 goals that Naruto has:

1. To become Hokage

2. To bring back Sasuke (for Sakura and for himself)

3. To be with Sakura.


In a filler episode, Naruto talks about how he’s in love with Sakura but he knows that she still loves Sasuke, and he would do his best to win her over. For a person like Naruto, who’s always stood by his beliefs and his goals, doesn’t giving up on Sakura seem like a stepback in his character development? For Sakura to build such an intimate relationship with Naruto and then end up marrying the guy who tried to kill her seems pretty immature as well. And then Naruto goes out with a girl who he has barely any interactions with? The pairings themselves are just downright creepy.



 

I mentioned how Naruto needed someone strong like Kushina to be his wife. If Kishi had intended for NaruHina to be a thing, then Hinata should have been made out as a stronger character. Aside from TenTen, she’s probably the weakest (in ability, personality, and just overall screentime) out of the Konoha 11 females. Hell, we barely even see her at all. The main female roles are taken up by Sakura, Karin, and Tsunade, and yet the strong wife that Naruto is supposed to end up with is Hinata. Nothing makes sense with NaruHina, because it’s just not meant to be.

 

Naruto is a ROLE MODEL for boys, continue pursuing your goals, no matter how steep and dangerous the path, and for Naruto to not achieve his goal of getting with Sakura kind of distorts our perception of how the male-female relationship works. For young boys who followed all of Naruto, it seems like having the kitten win the main girl the correct way to win a girl’s heart, which is absolutely, and terribly wrong. Sure Naruto does end up with Hinata, but if you think about it, Sakura’s final confession to Sasuke kind of sealed the deal about how she felt about Sasuke, so Hinata is like a consolation prize for Naruto, since he obviously has to end up with SOMEONE, and that’s just really, really sad.


 

I know that the manga is completely set with their pairings, but since the anime isn’t complete, I’m holding on to a slight chance that the makers will have an alternative ending. I don’t think it’s quite fair for Naruto to have to go through so much, and not achieve his lifetime goal of being with Sakura. The way he loved on her is something that guys like us only wish we could do, and that’s what true love is about. For Kishi to not have Sakura fully recognize Naruto’s unconditional love for her is just plainly pitiful. I really hope that the anime gives us an alternate ending, cause quite frankly, fan fics don’t suffice. 

 

 

(The Last Naruto The Movie) has horrible development on the NaruHina relationship that beats out the past 10+ years I wasted watching NaruSaku develop and shipping NaruSaku (which quite frankly is impossible). Whatever. The salt is going to continue for a long time because people with an actual functioning mind who read and watched the Naruto Manga/Anime will always believe that Naruto and Sakura should have been the end pairing.

[catsi563]

reiterating my disagreement that the confession was fake. it was not fake it was honest and genuine. the only part every obfuscated was the rookies decision about sasuke. There is nothing in her confession to indicate any form of lie beyond that one point.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's still ninja manga with ninja stuff.
Even with all the super power and magic.

It's not the fire work that become the problem, but the consistency.

It is, but hand seals and more grounded level of combat was all gone by War Arc.

[db84x]

@ Rocci

Once there are popularity poll and Tsukasa won, that made editor pressure Mizuki to made more Tsukasa than Toujo.  We can't ignore fact that later Tsukasa frame became more dominant and the end only Tsukasa route became realistic.

 

About culture, all of us knew how often some fanatic said Naruto fandom contain horny male, Japanesse ideal wife is submissive, woman must be bully her couple, Kishi is sexist and etc.  General fans anger accumulated so when they support Kishi on ending because it kick some arrogant and self entitled western fans from Naruto fandom.  Naruto pairing war already change into another East vs West cultural battlefield, Narusaku admin already tried to avoid it but too bad some fanatic repeatedly ignore the warning.

Edited by db84x, 25 June 2016 - 10:10 AM.

[rocci]

It is, but hand seals and more grounded level of combat was all gone by War Arc.

It's all gone when sannin fight or before that (naruto vs garra).

It expect to have spectacular effect when the fox capable to blow maountain.

@db
1. Show me the scan of the popularity poll or you just made up.
2. Show me the source that show the author do that or you could say it just your assumption.

Comedy moment when tsundere beat a hero =/= supporting women beat men.
Kishi is sexist, that's true and he's awful writer.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well you can argue that but it was still on a standard level. The idea of weapon like shuriken used for combat, hand seals formation, and so on were present. Once you can do an attack that has no seals and just do it like a blast, then everything starts to betray its old self.

That's the problem with these holy trinity minus One Piece. They keep having this notion of sequel equals bigger and grander, when at times, all you need is to stick the plan and that's it. For Naruto, bigger would require Naruto to be broken as well as Sasuke. Wouldn't it be better of having a grand teamwork to take down a powerful foe. Not all new generation surpassing old has to be an individual power base.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 25 June 2016 - 10:37 AM.

[hinataiscreepy]

I think the reason why Naruhina were so salty about the top 10 of Watchmojo was not that sakura was ahead of Itachi or Jiraya but rather that Hinata was behind Sakura which is a death penalty crime for them.

 

If Hinata was at Sakura's place they would BS their way to try to justify it.

 

Edit: Naruhinas try to so hard to justify Sasuke and Sakura because if they admit that if there is something wrong with this ship or the ending it would imply that making Naruhina was likely a mistake and part of the problem.

Edited by hinataiscreepy, 25 June 2016 - 04:44 PM.