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#22401 Dalton.T.R

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 05:08 PM

I'm sorry, but what's the worst punishment Hinata could inflict on Naruto? Help me out here, I'm seriously trying to think of something. 

 

Imagine if Hinata caught Naruto cheating or flirting with some random girl from the village...or...city I guess is more correct now. What would or could she possibly do? She doesn't have the drive or nerve to punish him, which isn't going to do wonders for their relationship in the long run. Sure, it might seem all fine and dandy now, but the second Naruto gets the idea that she can't stop him...

 

Not that Naruto would actually do this, mind you, but let's say it actually did happen. Hinata lacks the drive or self-respect to stand up for herself, and actually "claim" Naruto as her own. The second she tried something, but Naruto told her to back off, she'd do as he instructed.

 

He tried this stuff with Sakkura... We've just opened the gates to Hell, people!  



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Posted 22 June 2016 - 05:11 PM

Hinata is the closest you can get for otaku's dream girl.

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 05:47 PM

I'm sorry, but what's the worst punishment Hinata could inflict on Naruto? Help me out here, I'm seriously trying to think of something. 

 

Imagine if Hinata caught Naruto cheating or flirting with some random girl from the village...or...city I guess is more correct now. What would or could she possibly do? She doesn't have the drive or nerve to punish him, which isn't going to do wonders for their relationship in the long run. Sure, it might seem all fine and dandy now, but the second Naruto gets the idea that she can't stop him...

 

Not that Naruto would actually do this, mind you, but let's say it actually did happen. Hinata lacks the drive or self-respect to stand up for herself, and actually "claim" Naruto as her own. The second she tried something, but Naruto told her to back off, she'd do as he instructed.

 

He tried this stuff with Sakkura... We've just opened the gates to Hell, people!  

In ways, Hinata has a similar mindset to an abused spouse where no matter what Naruto does, she would try to find some sort of justification for it. Naruto even could probably physically and emotionally abuse her and she would make some denial excuses like it's Naruto's way of showing her love and such. Even her kids walk all over her and she can't say a thing..


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Posted 22 June 2016 - 09:25 PM

I read that in JP most men feel intimidated by assertive females; some prefer meek women.

Based on what I've seen in the US, a lot of guys are turned off with the Sakura type. I know too many guys who are Hinata/Temari fans. And on occasion Ino fans. With Sakura, some guys even said they'll take TenTen over her. For me, Sakura isn't well liked all here.

It's just preference.
Just like girl like "bad boys" type over nice guy.
And all of that is legit imo.

Sakura is your average normal girl type.

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Posted 22 June 2016 - 09:58 PM

I'm sorry, but what's the worst punishment Hinata could inflict on Naruto? Help me out here, I'm seriously trying to think of something. 

 

Imagine if Hinata caught Naruto cheating or flirting with some random girl from the village...or...city I guess is more correct now. What would or could she possibly do? She doesn't have the drive or nerve to punish him, which isn't going to do wonders for their relationship in the long run. Sure, it might seem all fine and dandy now, but the second Naruto gets the idea that she can't stop him...

 

Not that Naruto would actually do this, mind you, but let's say it actually did happen. Hinata lacks the drive or self-respect to stand up for herself, and actually "claim" Naruto as her own. The second she tried something, but Naruto told her to back off, she'd do as he instructed.

 

He tried this stuff with Sakkura... We've just opened the gates to Hell, people!  

She already punished him enough by existing.


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These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 22 June 2016 - 10:55 PM

so what has naruto really done as a hokage? Despite it being glossed over, despite it just being handed to him on a silver platter, despite him failing the village, despite him trying his damndest to be a deadbeat dad, eating unhealthy foods and no veggies, being on pointless modern talk shows, neglected his bratty children, having his clones do other peoples jobs and even during peace time there'd really be no need for a hokage but there isn't because his village got destroyed, meaning he failed to bring world peace which was an already stupid goal since the beginning, etc. not to mention him missing his own damn ceremony. Minato and kushina would be ashamed and embarrassed and nagato and jiraiya would be rolling in their graves.


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Posted 22 June 2016 - 11:15 PM

She already punished him enough by existing.

....brutal, dude....brutal. 

 

Why didn't I think of that?



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Posted 23 June 2016 - 12:05 AM

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NaruSaku since it's the healthier of the two pairings. Naruto would have been just as happy with Sakura as he was with it Hinata and at least he showed that he cared for her unlike Sasuke. Seriously, the 180 Sasuke pulled at the VERY end was complete and utter BS and IMO a cop-out on Kishi's part. He was just trying to tie everything up regardless of whether it made sense or not.

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Hinata DESPERATELY needed some panel time with Naruto or at the very least, the chance to grow beyond her crush. That's my biggest gripe with her character, that she is literally nothing without Naruto. Her character does not extend beyond him which is sad because she has potential. The story would have benefited from an arc that had Naruto teaming up with Squad 8, her team. That's the ONLY team Naruto is NEVER partnered with and I always wondered why that was.


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If you want Hinata to be seen as a heroine, give her the opportunity. A scene here and one 100+ chapters later is honestly not enough. The two interact in less than 50 pages out of the ENTIRE manga which is well over 14000 pages. That isn't enough. The Last screwed up by trying to do what was essentially the manga's job to do, flesh out the pairing. I didn't like how they added to Naruto's backstory with he and Hinata as kids and the scarf from his mom which was used as a plot device to make Hinata jealous. I also don't like how they cheapened his feelings for Sakura. Rumor has it that his voice actress, Junko Takeuchi refused to say certain lines at the part where he and Sakura are talking in the film because she felt they were too OOC. OF course this is just a rumor so take with a grain of salt.

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Anyways, the pairing should have been in the oven prior to the film, not just being made. So what we end up with is a love story that is horribly rushed and told in a way that isn't romantic in the least. It comes across as overly contrived and forced. I don't hate Hinata by any means, but a movie was NOT the best way to develop her because honestly, she doesn't really change, everyone around her changes to fit the scenario.

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Considering the gaiden, she's working herself to the point of exhaustion, so much so she collapsed. All the while he's off wondering around the world, doing a job that the Anbu could most likely do. Yeah, great husband >_>. Also, I think you're mistaking passiveness for understanding. Sakura doesn't seem capable of standing up to or challenging Sasuke as much as she would with Naruto. We see this a lot throughout the series in her inability to defend herself against his abuse.


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And honestly, when it comes to understanding Naruto, I think Sakura is the best. Not only have they been on the same team for years, but they've shared the same goal as well, saving their friend. No one else other than Sakura knew the full extent to which Naruto was suffering in order to fulfill that goal. So much so that she tried to free him from it through the infamous fake confession.

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She had to UNDERSTAND that he was suffering to want to alleviate it. And if you're going to use the whole "I hate people who lie to themselves" angle, the Last practically states that Naruto had been lying to himself for years in regards to his feelings for Sakura. What he claimed to be love being nothing more than a sense of rivalry, told to him by Sakura no less.

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I don't believe either of them was in a position to preach to the other, so I don't place much stock on either claim. Naruto's claim that Sakura was "lying to herself" and Sakura's claim that Naruto "never really loved her". Because if Sakura didn't love Naruto in some shape or form, why go that far? There was some love there though clearly not as strong as her love for Sasuke but love nonetheless. A love born from her understanding Naruto as a teammate, fellow shinobi, and friend.


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Her crying showed that she already understood, she just didn't want to admit that she was partly responsible for it. Having someone else say out it out loud just drove it home. We know this because part of the reason Sakura became stronger was to help Naruto to bring Sasuke back, thus easing some of his burden. A burden she believed she had inadvertently placed upon him.

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SasukeXSakura makes sense ? think again She put her own photo over the actual photo, over the face of the person who delivered her baby, the one who gave her daughter her glasses, her supposed new best friend. I'm sure some really pathetic people crop out such people in their lives to present misleading photos of themselves next to their "husband"(If you can really call someone like Sasuke that) picture, but its still some pathetic behavior of which you'd come to expect of a submissive person. Especially when they were apparently so unable to get a more current version of their husband as an adult when the two last met. Couldn't even get a marriage photo. I wonder how long the two actually even banged if they didn't even have time for a photo. Only a Stepford wife would put up with that.

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Kishimoto got invested enough in Naruto x Hinata that he wanted it followed through ? keyword "Invested," he sure fooled me then cause in these past 15 years the two have BARELY interacted in the story, she was HARDLY ever present in the story, and she knew next to NOTHING about Naruto beyond him being lonely as a child. That's some REAL good investment there. >_> No, what he and the anime studio invested in was the ridiculously large number of NaruHina fans who would eat this **** up no matter how forced, contrived, or nonsensical it was.


Hinata Her understanding of Naruto ended after part 1. In part 2, Naruto is no longer a lonely outcast, he's popular and has friends while she's still hiding behind trees watching him from afar. The issues he had in part 2 , she played no role in aiding him with. Hell, she nearly got him killed at one point.

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Sakura should've been with someone who actually cared about her (Naruto). Sasuke's change of heart at the end of the series was BS. Truly he's a "rare prodigy" who was saved by more plot convenient ass pulls than anyone else in the series. As for the "debt" to Sakura, you're right he doesn't owe her a thing. Except for maybe the fact that she could have poisoned him with the kunai but chose not to. She had a PRIME opportunity to do so. Or perhaps for her continuing to believe that there was still some good deep down inside that cold heart of his.

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Whatever the case, his behavior towards Sakura was completely unacceptable and she SHOULD have given up on his ass. Her "love" for him caused her more pain than anything else. He deserved to be alone, or to be with a girl even more clingy than Sakura, Karin. Though IMO, they're BOTH too good for him.

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Yeah, NaruHina and SasuSaku in a nutshell. Just pair the guys up with their respective fangirls. Also, claiming that Naruto was "competing" with Sasuke for Sakura would imply that Sasuke had feelings for her. Feelings that he made abundantly clear on several occasions he did not have. Not much of a competition when only one guy is actively pursuing the girl, Naruto.

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"Fictional claims" lol. It's a fact that Sakura could have stabbed Sasuke if she wanted to. She stopped herself at the last possible moment. He was completely oblivious to her presence long enough for her to have scratched him at the very least. And furthermore, you want to blame Sakura for "trying" to kill him despite the fact that during that encounter, he tried to kill her first, while she was tending to Karin. No excuses, Sasuke was dead wrong to do what he did, yet later on he comes back with his crappy little "I'm sorry" 180 personality change and both girls forgive him, please. >_>

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You chose to be blind to all the kittenish actions Sasuke took. Justifying them with honestly pitiful excuses seeing as it was Sasuke who chose to ignore his brother's wishes and walk a path of darkness. Apparently he can do no wrong in your eyes but I'll call a spade a spade and an ass an ass. That darkness had always been a part of Sasuke and the truth about his brother just brought it to the surface. Even before then, we could see some of this when he and Naruto first fought in the Final Valley in part 1. Sakura and Karin we oblivious to that side of him because they had never seen it, but he was most definitely being himself. It's just that after his final bout with Naruto, he set about changing himself to something a bit less dark.

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I'm just stating why I think this "investment" Kishimoto "planned" for NaruHina was complete and utter BS that dirtied the story, I don't see how her interactions with Naruto were more important than others. She did confess to loving him but that gets thrown out and is never touched on again. She did encourage him after Neji's death yet, shortly after he calls Sakura his GF accompanied with the obligatory SakuShina parallel. Two of her best moments, completely disregarded.


Naruto as a character is defined by his bonds to others because that's all he has, his bond with Sasuke being the most important and the driving force behind many of his actions. Hinata not being able to understand that bond severely hampered her ability to understand Naruto and his goals, at least IMO. She is in the background for so long how anyone can claim that she knows him better than the people that actually stand by his side is beyond me. Hell, Sai probably understood him better than HInata and that's saying something.

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Edited by BestSasuHinaSupporter, 23 June 2016 - 12:25 AM.


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Posted 23 June 2016 - 01:06 AM

You may have better luck since you can read it in a breeze rather than wait every week of something could have been just half a chapter. Well, I'll say that if you started the last arc already, well, in my opinion, it's mixed bag. The beginning was promising and pretty good but it found its way of the problems that happened before.

While there are cool moments, including recent chapters, just be aware that asspull is vital once more to the series. Not in a story sense but in a battle.

 

So It's the same as FT (on of the reason why I dropped FT in the past). I'm going to drop back and read it every 20 chapters just like doing with FT and BC once I caught up with the manga.

 

Didn't we already explain this? They got that money from the game what came out that quarter. It the only thing pro-enders don't pirate, so it was actually able to make money. Which is the last in the series apparently.

 

Try explaining that to DB.


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Posted 23 June 2016 - 01:10 AM

 it's simply amazing how much effort and time you put into these towering posts  :hehehe:


Edited by Konoha'sCrimsonFox, 23 June 2016 - 01:12 AM.

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"My name is Sung Ji-woo. Some called me the Assassin of Death. A Necromancer Deity... My journey has been nothing but walking over a mountain of corpses. My legion of the dead reigns supreme. None shall block my way or... face the wrath of my blades!" --Solo Leveling.


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Posted 23 June 2016 - 01:25 AM

 
So It's the same as FT (on of the reason why I dropped FT in the past). I'm going to drop back and read it every 20 chapters just like doing with FT and BC once I caught up with the manga.

BC?

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 01:37 AM

 it's simply amazing how much effort and time you put into these towering posts  :hehehe:

Well, what can I say ? NaruSaku just makes that much sense  :hehehe:

And I will not relent either, I and constructing even more pro NaruSaku and SasuHina arguments even as we speak :)


Edited by BestSasuHinaSupporter, 23 June 2016 - 01:38 AM.


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Posted 23 June 2016 - 04:50 AM

I would honestly encourage NaruSaku fans to read my Chris Lynheart book series when it's all finished.The main couple (Chris X Jessica) resembles NS in a certain light. It's by no means NaruSaku, but any fan of the REAL Naruto would be able to identify the similarities between the two couples. 

 

Chris Lynheart follows a very different story plot than Naruto did, and the characters are far more brutal in fight scenes and diplomatic situations. Not to mention there's no "talk no jutsu" with every villain having some kind of poorly written sob story, or a flashback covering details nobody really gives a damn about.



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Posted 23 June 2016 - 07:04 AM

BC?

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 01:09 PM

so what has naruto really done as a hokage? Despite it being glossed over, despite it just being handed to him on a silver platter, despite him failing the village, despite him trying his damndest to be a deadbeat dad, eating unhealthy foods and no veggies, being on pointless modern talk shows, neglected his bratty children, having his clones do other peoples jobs and even during peace time there'd really be no need for a hokage but there isn't because his village got destroyed, meaning he failed to bring world peace which was an already stupid goal since the beginning, etc. not to mention him missing his own damn ceremony. Minato and kushina would be ashamed and embarrassed and nagato and jiraiya would be rolling in their graves.

I'm they are too and Konan too cause he promised those things to her too and she was killed off for no reason which I will never let go and I feel was the start of Naruto going downhill and the kage summit was proof that the series was doomed. Minato and Kushina and the others should come back form the dead and beat some sense into him, also I blame Naruto being like this because of Hinata who won't stand up to Naruto and spend time with his kids, you wouldn't see this with Sakura if she was with Naruto. With that Naruto would be a great father and make sure he did everything Kushina wanted him to do. The whole world peace thing is so over done and it never happens in stories, it might sometimes if the author knows what their doing Kishi is not one of them. To quote Ultron from the second Avengers movie "I think you're confusing peace with quite.



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Posted 23 June 2016 - 01:25 PM

Indeed, However I will say that Hinata was absent for a much greater estimate than 50-200 chapters of Naruto's life I'd say roughly around 500+ chapter range and that isn't an exaggeration.


Kishimoto's Wife as I pointed out numerous times is a NaruSaku Shipper, She absolutely hated and resented the decision her husband Kishimoto made by making NaruHina and SasuSaku the end pairings according to the interview that her AND Kishimoto partaken in, Heres the link:

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In the interview Kishimoto stated that he attempted to soothe her by making her feel better by telling her that she is based off of Hinata and more like her personality wise, But it's clear... that she is not... Because Sakura's character is combative, loud, argumentative and bold, and Kishimoto's wife in the interview stated that she disagreed with her Husband by saying that she is more like Sakura, the very fact that she is arguing and bashing her Husbands decision on the end pairings only further validates her claim that she is Indeed like Sakura,

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When has Hinata ever been Loud, Combative, Argumentative and Bold ? Hinata has NEVER shown any of those personality traits, Hinata she goes along with anything people tell her to do or what ever mission to carry out WITHOUT question or her even being argumentative about it "I... uh... s...sure" "well.. I.. I guess... I... can..." Hinata has always been a delicate and submissive girl and Kishimoto claims his wife the woman who is constantly arguing about the end pairings in Naruto on a daily basis to be just like Hinata ?

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Cut the baloney Kishimoto you are clearly lying just admit that you knew you were gonna lose fans when you focused on pairings. And you were right. So you opted for the "larger" fan base. NaruHina has a larger fanbase then NaruSaku However probably only 5-10% larger so to reduce as much damage as possible when he ended the manga with the pairings you choose the LARGEST pairing fanbase instead of the Pairing that is the most plausible and makes the most sense, NaruSaku.


Also in that interview, Kishimoto stated that he decided midway through the story, because Hinata acknowledged him and saw him for what he really was before Iruka.. which is a big load of CRAP!!! considering that doesn't mean much since she never approached the guy. Was she by his side all those years he was alone as a kid, hell no. That was Iruka, not Hinata, that's sad when even NarutoXIruka makes more sense then NarutoXHinata.


Kishimoto's story as to what he plans for romantic pairings is always changing. First he claimed he had planned NaruHina since the beginning, next it was NaruHina towards the middle of the story ? Kishimoto flip flopped more than a pancake in the interviews he gave after 700.

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Kishimoto stated he "planned" NaruHina since the beginning of the manga ? And if that's true, why focus nearly ENTIRELY on NaruSaku? Why the need for all the parallels? Why have Naruto call Sakura his GF? Why no closure for Naruto and Sakura? Why does an irrelevant background character like Hinata get such favoritism? That's part of what pisses me off. How do you go from that to what is seen in 700? Then, The Last retcons and butchers characters as it pleases to fit the narrative. In the manga, Naruto has no fond childhood memories of Hinata yet, in The Last we're expected to believe that he met her before Sasuke. That's bull. Also, Naruto gives up the scarf Kushina made for him to keep from making Hinata sad. That makes no sense. Why would Naruto give up ANYTHING that Kushina made for him to make a girl he barely knows feel less jealous? Would pre 698 Naruto do that, after the emotional outpouring he showed when he met her, HELL NO! His feelings for Sakura, explained away with the most insulting of reasons, petty rivalry, BULLSHHIT!

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These inconsistencies are what make it hard to accept The Last as anything by fannon made cannon. It was designed so that EVERYTHING simply fell into Hinata's lap regardless of how much it ruined the other characters, especially Naruto who's my favorite. Hinata is not the heroine and was never designed to be one, at least in the traditional sense. As far as Kishi is concerned, the heroine is simply the girl that gets in the hero's pants, no more no less. And it's pathetic that in the end, that's all her character amounts to, uninspired, one dimensional, paring fodder. She and all the other characters deserved better.

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No, but what SHOULD amount to romance is the bond between characters and Naruto's bond with Sakura was stronger than any he shared with rest of the female cast. The Last just makes SHHIT up and throws in it there. Hinata gets a BS rare chakra type, Naruto receives his mothers scarf just as Hinata herself is making one for him. The worst part is when he gets guilt tripped via genjutsu into loving her, he couldn't fall for her on his own. And we know that Naruto understands love as he was in love with Sakura throughout the manga.
 
 
I say that to say this, the natural progression of love could be observed BEST through NaruSaku. They start as teammates, then over time become dear friends that share a bond in their desire to save Sasuke from himself. This was a MAJOR driving force behind both character's development and something Hinata had jack-all to do with. Truth be told, she had next to nothing to do with any of the hardships Naruto went through. Anyway, on the subject of NS , naturally one would expect them to move to the next stage which is love especially given that Sasuke have ZERO interest in Sakura, treated her like utter SHHIT while Naruto treated her almost like a princess. If Kishi wants to call Sakura a "bad woman" for falling for Naruto then that makes Naruto equally bad for falling for Hinata. Since in Kishi's mind giving up on your first love makes you the scum of the earth. -_-

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Regardless of whether you believe the development of Sakura and Naruto's relationship was romantic or not, there's no dispute of fact that there was a lot of focus on the bonds of Team 7, but with Sasuke gone and Kakashi not being their age, a lot of that 'Team 7 focus' was between the evolving friendship of Naruto and Sakura. At the beginning Sakura hated Naruto with a passion, At the end Kishi says she's the 'guardian of Naruto's dream' and her own dream is to see Naruto become Hokage, If you don't feel that there was anything romantic about their relationship, that's perfectly fine and you can make an argument for it, but how are you going to deny that Kishi didn't focus on Naruto and Sakura's relationship ? That's ridiculous.


Naruto confessed to loving Sakura, that is a fact. Prior to the war arc, Sakura's feelings for Sasuke were changing which is also a fact. Naruto NEVER acknowledged Hinata as anything more than a friend, fact. He called Sakura his GF, fact. Yet, because of The Last, all that was thrown out the window with a weak ass explanation, "red herrings". The ONLY reason Sakura did not end up with Naruto was because Kishimoto felt it would be unfair to Hinata and would make Sakura a "bad woman", confirmed in an interview. Why else would she choose a guy that tried to kill her on multiple occasions over the guy that has ALWAYS supported her? It defies logic and her character suffered IMMENSELY for it. Hinata got Naruto out of pity. He was guilt tripped via Neji's death, a damn scarf, and genjutsu into being with her and had his feelings for Sakura cheapened. Feelings we've known about for over 13 years. If you can live with that, I wonder how much of a fan of the story you were to begin with. Hina fans only care about Hinata's happiness and could seemingly care less about the amount of contrived crap that happens with her character. The story could go to hell and back (which it did) and as long as she came out on top, it'd be worth it. -___-


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Before all of this shipping BS, I'm a fan of good story telling. The ending of Naruto was a MAJOR letdown and The Last was the topping on the SHHIT sundae. Believe what you will about me cause I couldn't care less. I'm taking to NARUTO fans, not blind NaruHina ones. Just because Hinata ALWAYS obsessed over Naruto doesn't mean they have to hook up. But then again, that's all her character is, "Naruto-kun", so maybe there was no other alternative. >_>

 

I'm complaining about more than just pairings but those are key. Why, because that's what The Last and 700 dropped on us, BS pairings. Naruto becoming Hokage was no shock, him being hitched to Hinata, THAT was a bombshell as were SS and the other random pairs.
 
 
So yeah, I will sit "here" and talk about the pairings. I will talk about the OOC moments in The Last and the retcons. I will mention the pointlessness of Neji's death or the meaninglessness of ALL the NaruSaku moments and parallels if NaruHina was always the intended end game. These are ALL problems IMO with the story, Naruto and Hinata They had less than 50 pages together out of 700 chapters. That's lacking to say the least.

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NaruHina would have been plausible and made sense had it been given the panel time it desperately needed. 6 or so scenes out of 700 chapters doesn't convince me of it's legitimacy and I don't care how cannon it is. The Last was a desperate attempt to flesh it out that fell flat on it's face because it forces too many characters to act out of character and conveniently adds in past content to force a bond between Naruto and Hinata, one that did not exist before. Why didn't Hinata's character grow stronger, why is she still so timid around Naruto? What was she doing for those 2 years, stalking him like always? Her character is her crush, no less no more.


Nor was the interaction between NaruHina plausible. A one-sided confession that is NEVER addressed is not romantic. NaruSaku had better romance POTENTIAL because of the strength of their bond and their interactions


The only pairing I think is really bad taste was Sasuke and Sakura due to obvious reasons. For me Hinata and Sasuke ending up together would have been great character development for both. Hinata becomes more than her crush and Sasuke get a chance to interact with a girl he hasn't tried to kill yet. Also Sasuke and Hinata's personalities seem to match perfectly compared to his and Sakura in which she's the one that acts submissive (Hinata's Personality) which I always saw as out of character.


Both Hinata and Sakura understand Naruto but however Sakura IMO, knows better how many hardships he's been through. She doesn't "mistreat" him out of malice, that's just her temper similar to Kushina. I find NaruSaku interactions more enjoyable because she's vocal about her complaints with Naruto, Hinata's too shy. NaruSaku seems natural while NaruHina is awkward and forced.

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Considering that we got a CANNON movie about the MAIN ship. The ships gave closure to the character's lives. Problem is, ALL of them were horribly handled and some got ZERO development, they just popped into existence. That is not acceptable, you have to JUSTIFY if you want your fans to accept it. Fans that actually care about closure that is. Some people just take whatever is thrown in their faces.


Kakashi stated during the war that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke had changed. Naruto told Minato to his face that Sakura was his GF AFTER the Hinata pep-talk I don't care about the NaruHina BS examples because they don't apply. All I'm getting is that NaruHina fans don't understand the traditional meaning of the term "girlfriend". It doesn't matter that romance wasn't a major theme Kishimoto had planned for the manga. Kishimoto brought into the equation and is obligated to justify it. He doesn't deserve a free pass.

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And the NaruHina fans still don't understand the meaning of "girlfriend". In the case of Sakura, we NEVER get to see her feelings explained so all we have to go on is what the people who are close to her (Kakashi, Naruto, and Yamato) say. And NaruHina fans say Sakura performed otherwise, well we know why that is because Kishi stated himself why he wouldn't let Sakura be with Naruto. Hard to claim there was "little to no focus on shipping" when the ONLY cannon film is about just that, SHIPPING. Not to mention 700 with its shipping bombshells. >_>

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The fact that the series ended with shipping as a MAJOR element is the issue. Yes, the majority of the manga did not deal with it but the ending, arguably the most important part of any story did. And no, the NaruHina fans don't appear to understand what girlfriend means going by their comments about how NaruSaku doesn't make sense. A girl who is my friend is just that, my FRIEND not my GF. In Naruto's case it was clearly meant to be taken as wishful thinking and a bit of a joke. He called the girl he liked his GF and she freaked out over it and hit him. It was comedic relief but, it's still meaningful because this was AFTER Hinata's confession and pep-talk meaning that Naruto still had feelings for Sakura what went beyond mere friendship, but not romance. You don't call someone you think of as a mere friend your GF. I NEVER said there wasn't any romance between Naruto and Sakura only that the potential for it was GREATER in that pair compared to NaruHina. Close friends with strong bonds stand a better chance of becoming lovers than mere acquaintances. And he and Hinata weren't much more than acquaintances with no real bonds.

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Yeah, that NaruHina logic. "Don't like The Last or 700, you're just a salty NaruSaku fan". Must be nice to be so willfully ignorant >_>. I don't see how NaruHina fans do it. I swear they are  like a gnat. The moment anyone voices discontent with the ending, you're all over them.

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How about this, if your ship made logical sense and was developed, I'd be okay with it. If NaruSaku got proper closure, I'd be okay with it. If Naruto had not been guilt tripped and OOC in The Last, I'd be okay with it. If Hinata had become more than her crush and Sakura had not regressed in character development, I'd be okay with it. But we got none of those so I'm bitter as all hell, LOL. Followed this series too long to be let down this badly so hell yeah I'm gonna vent, whether NaruHina fans  like it or not. :P


In other words, NarutoXHinata sucks.
 

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Truer words have never been spoken, I think you just deconstructed the whole flaws with NH and that farce of an ending and how out of control the NH fandom is.



#22417 db84x

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Posted 23 June 2016 - 01:25 PM

@ Ryriena

Myself not really in into submisive women but I respect Asian male majority preference.  What I saw was Naruto pairing wars change into cultural wars, some fanatic have sick hobby bashing Asian culture under NS banner.  I said again that NS idea is good but some fanatic inject alien idea and made it widely reviled by whole Naruto fandom.

 

@ Neon

Yeah people watch shounen for fullfiling their fantasy anyway, thats why self insert RL is hated by fandom.

 

@ Touken

I just follow Naruto because pairing wars not story, recently I just read seinen because I can't stand watch shounen because most of story is too childlish.  I agree too that Hinata is majority otaku ideal waifu, even Kishimoto want wife like her (But RL kittening Kishi anyway).

 

@ rocci

Their came from same magazine and dictated by same circumstance, the different in Ichigo 100% mangaka tried (with vain due popular demand) to build original pair while Kishi follow popular demand because actually Hinata is his ideal woman too.

 

@ Dalton

Naruto story is for kid, preteen and adult who want to escape from RL, it never aimed for real adult and got The Pulitzer anyway.


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Posted 23 June 2016 - 01:56 PM

whats everyones opinion on madara now?

 

I just saw him as a guy who saw the battlefield as his playground. people only liked him because his was super strong.

I found him boring sure his abilities were cool to see but outside that there is nothing to his character he never develops as a villain. He also ripped off Sephiroth's  meteor attack which just makes me think I could have been playing final fantasy 7 cause sephiroth is a far better villain than Madara ever is and will be. Seriously how much punishment did this guy take and acted like it was nothing like barthandelus in Final Fantasy 13 after the first two times you beat he still thinks he's winning. I mean seriously Madara is so bland I find the Villains of Power Rangers Lightspeed Rescue better, Aizen was at least entertaining and showed why he was a threat, Kefka was too a psycho which made is character more interesting even at the end were you fight Kefka he is still a good villain, Sensui was an amazing he had a charm to him it showed why he was dangerous I don't get that from Madara. It's like  Prometheus in cry for justice were the dude was unstoppable taking out almost the whole justice league to were an ordinary arrow to the head is what kills him, Madara went out the same way. Plus take into account all of the Uchiha kitten sucking going worshipping Madara in the final part of the story. 



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Posted 23 June 2016 - 04:22 PM

I found him boring sure his abilities were cool to see but outside that there is nothing to his character he never develops as a villain. He also ripped off Sephiroth's  meteor attack which just makes me think I could have been playing final fantasy 7 cause sephiroth is a far better villain than Madara ever is and will be. Seriously how much punishment did this guy take and acted like it was nothing like barthandelus in Final Fantasy 13 after the first two times you beat he still thinks he's winning. I mean seriously Madara is so bland I find the Villains of Power Rangers Lightspeed Rescue better, Aizen was at least entertaining and showed why he was a threat, Kefka was too a psycho which made is character more interesting even at the end were you fight Kefka he is still a good villain, Sensui was an amazing he had a charm to him it showed why he was dangerous I don't get that from Madara. It's like  Prometheus in cry for justice were the dude was unstoppable taking out almost the whole justice league to were an ordinary arrow to the head is what kills him, Madara went out the same way. Plus take into account all of the Uchiha kitten sucking going worshipping Madara in the final part of the story. 

Madara didn't even do that many cool moves either. You'd think that he'd be using what Nagato was using with the Rinnegan and then some considering Madara was much, much stronger than Nagato was. After all the Uchiha and Sharingan wanking, even the supposed "strongest doujutsu" felt sub-par by comparison.


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Posted 23 June 2016 - 05:02 PM

Black Clover.

Oh.

On second thought with Bleach, perhaps you're better off not reading. Unless you like Yu-Gi-Oh!





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