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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

NS has the most development of any relationship of the current generation, so yeah, it's all we need.

I guess I like parallels because it sort of goes along with that whole idea of Naruto's generation surpassing previous ones, not because it's 'proof' of it becoming canon. Every NS/Team 7 parallel has ended in tragedy, romantically. Jiraiya died before he could ever get a chance with Tsunade, Minato and Kushina died before they could live a happy life with Naruto, Rin died right in front of Obito by Kakashi's hand. It would make sense for Naruto and Sakura to work out, given how Naruto has surpassed all of his mentors/his father in all aspects but romance and finding peace.

Like someone stated earlier, Kishi had an interview in the summer where he said all the hints strewn throughout the manga will make sense at the end. Parallels could be considered as part of those hints.

The thing is, NS is the only pairing with parallels. I guess people try to twist it around to support their own pairing, but the fact of the matter is, it's always been NS. Even when people tried to twist ObiRin into SasuSaku, it got debunked when it was sort of confirmed that Obito is a direct parallel to Naruto.

For MinaKushi, besides the love triangle, it's almost a word-for-word copy of the development of Naruto's and Sakura's relationship; I actually can't see how people can twist that into NH.

You know that Minato and Kushina are parallel only as a role model, they actually didnt had the same set-up as the Team 7 but they are parallel because their personalities are the same as Naruto and Sakura.
Sakura have personalities of both Minato and Kushina while Naruto too his personality from both per example, Sakura is a tsundere but she is smart in the same way Minato was, Naruto was a bad student as Kushina, hot headed, but he's strong, have the same dreams, teacher etc as minato.

The movie recall the same way how Minato and kushina were handled out, Sakura is kidnapped by "Menma/Obito" and Naruto saves her on the same style Minato saved Kushina.

Plus the fact that both Minato and Kushina came after Naruto and Sakura so why do kishi made Naruto's parents to be exactly like Naruto and Sakura.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 January 2013 - 08:54 PM.

[Mistraal]

Sakura against Juugo or Suigetsu is great for her, she can handle the battle. Even if she fight both of them, she could still handle it. Juugo and Suigetsu are somewhat on the same level of Sasori, if not less, and Sakura is stonger than before, she won't use help like she did with Sasori.

This may never happen (not saying won't cause I never know what Kishi is going to do) but I would like to see Sakura + Naruto tag team like vs. Juugo and Suigetsu. I think Taka could handle it they did face to face with Bee and didn't get totally shat on so it could work.

Honestly, the best thing in the world would be a Naruto + Sakura tag team vs Sasuke. That way Sakura could finally grow up and out of her Sasuke blues and be able to keep herself together and fight him and maybe they could finally get him back together since she keeps saying "we'll all fight together" etc. Even if she doesn't end up with Naruto I'd be happy with that just cause she would have grown up and out of her funk.

Edited by Mistraal, 02 January 2013 - 08:57 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

This may never happen (not saying won't cause I never know what Kishi is going to do) but I would like to see Sakura + Naruto tag team like vs. Juugo and Suigetsu. I think Taka could handle it they did face to face with Bee and didn't get totally shat on so it could work.

Honestly, the best thing in the world would be a Naruto + Sakura tag team vs Sasuke. That way Sakura could finally grow up and out of her Sasuke blues and maybe they could finally get him back together since she keeps saying "we'll all fight together" etc. Even if she doesn't end up with Naruto I'd be happy with that just cause she would have grown up and out of her funk.

You think that Sakura's development is battlewise?
We want her to fight but her development is not about it.
If you dont get it different than hinata her development comes from her own experiences.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 January 2013 - 08:57 PM.

[Mistraal]

You think that Sakura's development is battlewise?
We want her to fight but her development is not about it.

Vs Sasuke I think it is battlewise. Each time she's met him she's fallen apart before she could throw a punch. I think it would speak a lot for her character if she was finally able to come face to face with him and hold herself together.

Vs. other people yeah I see what you're saying.

Edited by Mistraal, 02 January 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Lots of development happens in battles. It happened during the Retrieval Arc when Naruto's retrieval + Gaara & Lee team faced off against the Sound Four and, err...bone sword guy.


Battles can be used to affirm a character's conviction in something and cause revelations and epiphanies that furthers their development. That's what shounen series typically relies on.

[T XD]

This may never happen (not saying won't cause I never know what Kishi is going to do) but I would like to see Sakura + Naruto tag team like vs. Juugo and Suigetsu. I think Taka could handle it they did face to face with Bee and didn't get totally shat on so it could work.

Honestly, the best thing in the world would be a Naruto + Sakura tag team vs Sasuke. That way Sakura could finally grow up and out of her Sasuke blues and be able to keep herself together and fight him and maybe they could finally get him back together since she keeps saying "we'll all fight together" etc. Even if she doesn't end up with Naruto I'd be happy with that just cause she would have grown up and out of her funk.

I love so much for that to happen, Naruto and Sakura tag team vs Sasuke or Team Taka. But most likely, Naruto will fight Sasuke on his own so, like you said, this may never happen Though, in video games, I always play tag team of Sakura and Naruto XD

Edited by T XD, 02 January 2013 - 09:07 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Vs Sasuke I think it is battlewise. Each time she's met him she's fallen apart before she could throw a punch. I think it would speak a lot for her character if she was finally able to come face to face with him and hold herself together.
Vs. other people yeah I see what you're saying.

Sakura said that she would let Naruto handle him, i doubt she will fight against Sasuke on a tag team fight, like i said on previous post her development comes from understanding Naruto based on experiences, like the probably Tsunade's death, her concern with Naruto's burden, the Jinchuuriki stuff on the begining, when he failed to bring sasuke and she said "i'm still here Naruto", and etc...
Kishimoto is avoiding an interaction between Naruto and Sakura to let other characters develop, there's two problems that i cant take NH as canon and for which i think it's one of the worst pairings after SS, it's the fact that Hinata does not understand Naruto, it may see weird but, Hinata does not know about Naruto's burden, his problem with Sasuke, which is the main objective of Naruto.

And the second Naruto didnt love hinata.

About the last chapter when Neji said "Hinata is willing to die for you as so do I" he pratically turn that "Hinata is willing to die for you because she loves you" statement into void.
He thanked both Hinata and Neji in the end.
closing her development.
Hinata got her acknowledgment when Naruto thanked her.

@shadow uzumaki deaths too cna develop people like a possible death of tsunade which sakura would feel it deeply.
Neji's death who bring more pain to Naruto than Hinata it was totally OOC.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 January 2013 - 09:10 PM.

[Don-kun]

You think that Sakura's development is battlewise?
We want her to fight but her development is not about it.
If you dont get it different than hinata her development comes from her own experiences.

I totally agree with this, I want her to be a big influence in the Manga not a power house, if that was the case them I would of have many favorites character because of power, I be a Sasuke fan, Madara, Tobi-Obito, Itachi- Nagato etc. Helping Naruto in an actual fight does not hurt to dream for, but she could become the most powerful character but still blindly likes Sasuke, becomes much more rude and selfish than part one and the only thing she will receive from me is my dislike.

The reason why many started liking Sakura more was because her personality changed and she stopped having that tunnel vision where she could only notice Sasuke, treating everyone bad and ending her friendship with her first friend.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

@shadow uzumaki deaths too cna develop people like a possible death of tsunade which sakura would feel it deeply.
Neji's death who bring more pain to Naruto than Hinata it was totally OOC.

...Well, yeah, it's a battle. Of course, characters can die....

Typically, extreme character development to a side character that hasn't received much can signal an incoming death, too. A Death in the Spotlight, if you will.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

Even when people tried to twist ObiRin into SasuSaku, it got debunked when it was sort of confirmed that Obito is a direct parallel to Naruto.

I don't see the parallel between ObiRin and SS, either. But Obito is parallel for Sasuke, too. Both start out as relatively sweet kids. Both go to the dark side when they lose someone important: Obito lost Rin and Sasuke lost his family. They both have a best friend on the good guy side who wants them back/misses them: O has Kakashi and S has Naruto. Both come from the same family. Both have an evil "mentor" (or boss, leader?): Obito had Madara and Sasuke actually had Obito himself. Obito can be, and is, a parallel to both Sasuke and Naruto.

For MinaKushi, besides the love triangle, it's almost a word-for-word copy of the development of Naruto's and Sakura's relationship; I actually can't see how people can twist that into NH.

No comment for the latter part, because I don't know either, but the love triangle is what makes NS very different from MinaKushi. Kushina didn't spend +540 chapters in love with some other guy like Sakura has. Minato did not have any other girl hanging around him hoping to hold hands. NS might parallel MinaKushi, but MinaKushi lacks several elements that NS has to "defeat" to be canon, namely Sasuke and Hinata. Compare MinaKushi and NS to TsunadeJiraiya pairing. That pairing actually had the woman be in love with someone else and as a result Jiraiya and Tsunade never ended up together.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

...Well, yeah, it's a battle. Of course, characters can die....

Typically, extreme character development to a side character that hasn't received much can signal an incoming death, too. A Death in the Spotlight, if you will.

It didnt needed a battle to develop sakura's character from part 1 to part 2, it didnt needed a battle for her to understand Naruto's suffering.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

No comment for the latter part, because I don't know either, but the love triangle is what makes NS very different from MinaKushi. Kushina didn't spend +540 chapters in love with some other guy like Sakura has. Minato did not have any other girl hanging around him hoping to hold hands. NS might parallel MinaKushi, but MinaKushi lacks several elements that NS has to "defeat" to be canon, namely Sasuke and Hinata. Compare MinaKushi and NS to TsunadeJiraiya pairing. That pairing actually had the woman be in love with someone else and as a result Jiraiya and Tsunade never ended up together.

You know that Minato and Kushina are parallel only as a role model, they actually didnt had the same set-up as the Team 7 but they are parallel because their personalities are the same as Naruto and Sakura.
Sakura have personalities of both Minato and Kushina while Naruto too his personality from both per example, Sakura is a tsundere but she is smart in the same way Minato was, Naruto was a bad student as Kushina, hot headed, but he's strong, have the same dreams, teacher etc as minato.

The movie recall the same way how Minato and kushina were handled out, Sakura is kidnapped by "Menma/Obito" and Naruto saves her on the same style Minato saved Kushina.

Plus the fact that both Minato and Kushina came after Naruto and Sakura so why do kishi made Naruto's parents to be exactly like Naruto and Sakura.
it's kinda strange when those two characters inherited all the personalities of Naruto and Sakura.

the bolded one she didnt she acknowledge minato after a long time, and viewed him as a weak person just like Sakura viewed Naruto.

The other bolded one and look how it's strange the "someome else" turned to be just like Naruto too, isnt it cool?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 02 January 2013 - 09:19 PM.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

It didn't need a battle to develop Sakura's character from part 1 to part 2, it didn't need a battle for her to understand Naruto's suffering.

Dude, all I'm saying is battles can encourage character development. I'm not saying it's an absolute end-all, be-all tool for character development.

[StriderC]

People consider that an actual fight..?

LOL I'm not talking about her fight with Sasuke. I'm talking about her fight with Kakashi and how she couldn't land a punch on him because of the sharingan. It's crazy how she gets pegged as slow because of this particular fight when she's only really had one fight in Part 2 that was a full blown battle and she did an amazing job in that fight. There's no way to peg how strong she is now BUT we know she can take down a summon with absolute ease, and summons aren't a walk in the park, and she took down a Zetsu with no problem as well though I'd imagine one Zetsu isn't too hard to subdue though.

I believe she's gained a lot of ground since her fight with Sasori. There's what we know. She has gained skill with poisons, and she has sleep bombs and such, and then there's what we don't know, plus what she already has. Kishi needs to give her another battle before the series is over, and I think he will. I'm liking this idea of her going up against Juugo.

[StriderC]

Dude, all I'm saying is battles can encourage character development. I'm not saying it's an absolute end-all, be-all tool for character development.

I definitely get what you're saying. A lot of character developments do happen in battle. Happened in Sakura's fight with Sasori, and Chiyo got some character development as well in that fight. It happens all the time, and it's pretty much normal in Naruto...

[Mistraal]

Sakura said that she would let Naruto handle him, i doubt she will fight against Sasuke on a tag team fight, like i said on previous post her development comes from understanding Naruto based on experiences, like the probably Tsunade's death, her concern with Naruto's burden, the Jinchuuriki stuff on the begining, when he failed to bring sasuke and she said "i'm still here Naruto", and etc...
Kishimoto is avoiding an interaction between Naruto and Sakura to let other characters develop, there's two problems that i cant take NH as canon and for which i think it's one of the worst pairings after SS, it's the fact that Hinata does not understand Naruto, it may see weird but, Hinata does not know about Naruto's burden, his problem with Sasuke, which is the main objective of Naruto.

And the second Naruto didnt love hinata.

About the last chapter when Neji said "Hinata is willing to die for you as so do I" he pratically turn that "Hinata is willing to die for you because she loves you" statement into void.
He thanked both Hinata and Neji in the end.
closing her development.
Hinata got her acknowledgment when Naruto thanked her.

@shadow uzumaki deaths too cna develop people like a possible death of tsunade which sakura would feel it deeply.
Neji's death who bring more pain to Naruto than Hinata it was totally OOC.

See, I dislike how characters aside from Naruto cannot seem to function as independent beings. The entire idea of Sakura's character development stemming from understanding Naruto seems inherently flawed to me. No realistic character or real person bases their existence completely around another person. This is also why I never cared for Hinata. She is very very unrealistic and very dependent.

Sakura needs to deal with Sakura's problems. Basically, what I mean is she can't rely on Naruto to get over Sasuke for her. She shouldn't have to lean on him for every little damn thing. She's supposed to be the main female lead and grow past that. If she really wants to "all fight together" then she needs to buck up. It irritates me to no end because this is totally within her character profile to do so but she has not been given this chance. I remember her saying to herself that she would have to let Naruto handle Sasuke. When I saw that my first reaction was "Why? Why would you rely on him to do that for you then feel bad about relying on him? Get your kitten get together and DO something."

This may just be me having beef with the way Kishi writes female characters but he tends to write the same female archetype over and over. He has a golden opportunity with Sakura to let her break out and be her own person and deal with her own kitten but it's just not happening and there really is no good reason why not.

[shadow_Uzumaki]

LOL I'm not talking about her fight with Sasuke. I'm talking about her fight with Kakashi and how she couldn't land a punch on him because of the sharingan. It's crazy how she gets pegged as slow because of this particular fight when she's only really had one fight in Part 2 that was a full blown battle and she did an amazing job in that fight. There's no way to peg how strong she is now BUT we know she can take down a summon with absolute ease, and summons aren't a walk in the park, and she took down a Zetsu with no problem as well though I'd imagine one Zetsu isn't too hard to subdue though.

I believe she's gained a lot of ground since her fight with Sasori. There's what we know. She has gained skill with poisons, and she has sleep bombs and such, and then there's what we don't know, plus what she already has. Kishi needs to give her another battle before the series is over, and I think he will. I'm liking this idea of her going up against Juugo.

I usually consider Sakura close to top-tier, only by virtue of being trained by Tsunade, there's a reason why she's part of the Legendary Three Ninja, after all.

Out of the 12 (Sasuke included), I usually rank them by:
Naruto leads by a large margin, followed by Sasuke. Those 2 are on a league of their own.

Neji, Rock Lee, and maybe Kiba & Chouji, are probably a tier below Naruto-Sasuke. These guys can devastate the enemy with their attacks. I'd put Shikamaru in the same tier, but he's far too squishy. Sakura, I'd also put in here, but her appearances focus too much on her medical skills. If she does show more power like Tsunade did in her appearances, she would either be here or maybe a bit above them.

As it stands, Sakura's between this tier and:

Shino, Ten-ten, Shikamaru, Hinata, and Ino. Just because these guys seem more relegated to Support-type techniques. Although Hinata could probably go up a rank if she's privy to the same techniques as Neji.

Other notes I have are that Neji and Rock Lee could probably be better for One-on-One fights than taking out larger groups of enemies.

This is all my headcanon.

Edited by shadow_Uzumaki, 02 January 2013 - 09:25 PM.

[Don-kun]

It didnt needed a battle to develop sakura's character from part 1 to part 2, it didnt needed a battle for her to understand Naruto's suffering.

Again I agree.

Sakura haters loves to say that they hates her because she is useless in battle, to my believe it has more to do with them loving Hinata and Sakura at some point treating Naruto like crap at the beginning of the Manga, Sakura fight with Sasori her intelligence and her great medical skill are great compared with other characters.

In the Anti Sakura FC the most you read about her dislike has a lot to do with her treatment of Naruto.

In her FC and pairing FC is all about fighting when in fact we should be more worry about her weight and importance in the plot.

Now this is a question to all, what would of happen if Sakura defeated someone like Kabuto like many fans hoped for but after that we never see her in the Manga again, would you people be happy only because Kishi shut up the haters mouth?

Or you want her to be the heroine and have more importance in the Manga?

Edited by Don-kun, 02 January 2013 - 09:29 PM.

[Mistraal]

I usually consider Sakura close to top-tier, only by virtue of being trained by Tsunade, there's a reason why she's part of the Legendary Three Ninja, after all.

Out of the 12 (Sasuke included), I usually rank them by:
Naruto leads by a large margin, followed by Sasuke. Those 2 are on a league of their own.

Neji, Rock Lee, and maybe Kiba & Chouji, are probably a tier below Naruto-Sasuke. These guys can devastate the enemy with their attacks. I'd put Shikamaru in the same tier, but he's far too squishy. Sakura, I'd also put in here, but her appearances focus too much on her medical skills. If she does show more power like Tsunade did in her appearances, she would either be here or maybe a bit above them.

As it stands, Sakura's between this tier and:

Shino, Ten-ten, Shikamaru, Hinata, and Ino. Just because these guys seem more relegated to Support-type techniques. Although Hinata could probably go up a rank if she's privy to the same techniques as Neji.

Other notes I have are that Neji and Rock Lee could probably be better for One-on-One fights than taking out larger groups of enemies.

This is all my headcanon.

This makes sense to me as well. I dislike referring to the rest of the Konoha 11 as "rookies" as I've seen some people do simply because it implies they've done nothing but sit on their duffs for the past 2 years. We all understand that Naruto and Sasuke are very powerful but it doesn't mean everyone else is a damn pushover. I think maybe that train of thought is why Kishi feels like he has to shoehorn in development for side characters because people automatically assume they've been eating bon-bon's and watching Maury for the entire manga.

[Mistraal]

Now this is a question to all, what would of happen if Sakura defeated someone like Kabuto like many fans hoped for but after that we never see her in the Manga again, would you people be happy only because Kishi shut up the haters mouth?

Or you want her to be the heroine and have more importance in the Manga?