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[Catra]

actually she responded "they had a photo together" and i responded "and then he left them again. she then said "just think of fanon, it usually is better than canon. you're talking to a girl who ships so and so like mad" XD so i vented to her why i dislike it, like a good girlfriend she listened all the way through and understands and agree's how bad the ending was.

[Nostradamus]

actually she responded "they had a photo together" and i responded "and then he left them again. she then said "just think of fanon, it usually is better than canon. you're talking to a girl who ships so and so like mad" XD so i vented to her why i dislike it, like a good girlfriend she listened all the way through and understands and agree's how bad the ending was.

Or she just likes you and doesn't want to disagree with you.

[Catra]

well she's a writer herself, she even said went "-_-... what was the writer thinking??"

 

 

i even said "this should be in schools to tell readers what NOT to do" and she agreed.

[Dalton.T.R]

well she's a writer herself, she even said went "-_-... what was the writer thinking??"

 

 

i even said "this should be in schools to tell readers what NOT to do" and she agreed.

I never even read the last two chapters just based off what I read here. I, too, am a writer, and most of my work is very inspired by Kishimoto's work. When he pulled that BS, I about threw my computer out the window. 

 

I really wasn't impacted by NS that much because I was having doubts that it would really happen, but I was way more than just pissed off after using Naruto as a guide for most of my own work, too. 

[rocci]

Nh & ss are more appealing for casual imo.
My sister like it too.
I think nh remind them to that poor soap opera heroine while ss is the badboy love story.

@dalton
The only thing that not make NS happen is open ending.

Edited by rocci, 06 June 2016 - 10:38 PM.

[Nostradamus]

well she's a writer herself, she even said went "-_-... what was the writer thinking??"

 

 

i even said "this should be in schools to tell readers what NOT to do" and she agreed.

I see.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

There are probably just as many anti-enders as pro-enders in all honesty. Even the SNS fans came out loudly against the ending initially. Then after the Last, Naruto hate reached a higher level. It wasn't just NS fans that didn't like the ending.

 

Also, Kishi didn't choose the pairings freely. The boruto manga was the reason the pairings were made the way they were so the franchise could keep going.

Even logical NH/SS fans hate the ending for similar reasons (pairing-loving) NS fans do - Hinata was just a pitiful rebound rather than actually earning Naruto's love and having the two developed while Sakura's character development was just torn apart and Karin just tossed aside like nothing she did mattered in order to accommodate SS, and so on.

[Catra]

again, respect to the naruhina fans who rejected this ending and the last.

[Yyubie]

So i just checked naruto forum because i heard some troll here came from there ... MAN .... it's just like entering Hornet Nest or Ant's Nest, 99% of all member there pro ending fans, and i only see 2 NS fans there, i don't understand what makes those 2 keep staying on a place like that, getting gang attack whenever they try to explain logic, alone ..... or maybe they like it there because they debate ....

 

Am i glad to be member of this forum. I hope we can find new direction soon ... maybe change to Souma and Erina forum xD, and stay up for another 20 years ...

[LuckyChi7]

Aw man would I give to see this scene in the Storm games sigh... 

 

 

[Dalton.T.R]

So i just checked naruto forum because i heard some troll here came from there ... MAN .... it's just like entering Hornet Nest or Ant's Nest, 99% of all member there pro ending fans, and i only see 2 NS fans there, i don't understand what makes those 2 keep staying on a place like that, getting gang attack whenever they try to explain logic, alone ..... or maybe they like it there because they debate ....

 

Am i glad to be member of this forum. I hope we can find new direction soon ... maybe change to Souma and Erina forum xD, and stay up for another 20 years ...

I was there a few years back when we first got internet where I live. Holy kittene that place was crazy. 

[NeonRanger]

Honestly, I hate most of the anti fans as equally as the pro fans. The anti fandom, specially the SNS fandom, for the first time made me really hate Sasuke. And I like him (neutral). The Sasuke/Uchiha apologists don't seem to understand that Hinata wasn't the only character to ruin the manga. SNS especially; I just saw in Tumblr how they hate Sarada because she is anti-Sasuke. And they blame Naruto (and Sakura) for his shortcomings because he couldn't get his "justice" in the end. I might be anti Leaf, but what had Sasuke ever done to where his ending is "horrible" (besides SS)? He was already free from crimes like every other "villain", and he still is doing pretty much everything he wants, yet they believe he is the most miserable and had the worst ending? They blame Sakura and Sarada because they made him into and bad husband/father without even blaming Sasuke since he was the one who made the final decision to leave for a decade. And they blame Naruto for wanting Sasuke back into the village when the manga is called Naruto, not Sasuke. The main character shouldn't adjust to the antagonists wants and needs, it makes no sense (especially how so many SNS shippers are so against Naruto for that reason alone, while shoving up to people faces how Naruto "gets" Sasuke). Like every character that is against Sasuke at one point in the manga (like Kakashi) are automatically in their kitten list.

 

And worst they shove SNS as the number one bond in the manga, a bond you can't find in any other story created. And I'm like, "you can't find it in any other story because the bond IS kitten." Even Kishi was called out on how kitten the bond was. Sasuke is literally not compatible with anyone but his family, and even his family ties were written mediocre. Yet they keep saying that they ship NS because even though Sakura is a problematic character for Sasuke and Naruto, she sucks less with Naruto. I never ship SNS, but lately after the ending, I am becoming more anti-SNS, because now I know that if NS was canon, they would kitten on their bond as much as NH (before The Last came out).

 

I don't know but lately the anti fandom (pro-Sasuke majority) has become more of a annoyance as the pro fans for me. SNS has already surpassed NH/SS as the most annoying fandom for me. SNS is the m/m version of SS, and Sasuke is just problematic in general. Kishi/Yahagi made mistake creating him; the Naruto fandom has a one track mind and bias to where the love of Sasuke and Hinata destroyed the manga and people still remain ignorant that they are both characters that had noticeable flaws/ writing errors in the story.

[Bail o' Lies]

Neon, its like I keep saying SNS fan are the same as nH fans. nH fans like to fantasize hinata as their perfect girlfriend and put a very minor character on pedestal as flawless which the entire story is truly about. SNS want to do the same Sasuke, they just have more stuff to go off of because Sasuke is more involved in the plot. They both just use Naruto so they can have someone as an insert so they can have sex with Sasuke/Hinata. Or if women to fantasize about two hot guys having sex for SNS or for nH image they are Hinata. SNS can force people to agree with their pairing and silence those that disagree with it by threatening/calling them homophobic. While nH play the victim card whenever they are called out on their BS.

 

Lets face it. Sasuke was barely affected by anything after the ending. What he has a kid that he never interacts with and doesn't raise leaving it to the mother? He able to go on journeys imply he get into lots of awesome fight, while Naruto was stuck trying to raise two spoiled rotten brats that drain all the passion out of his life.

 

Edit the top part to for it to make more sense: Honestly the bond between Naruto and Sasuke has always been over hyped. They were barely friends in part one. Sasuke barely tolerated him for the most part. But Naruto barely had anyone care about him or acknowledge his existence at the start of the manga. So when someone did they became important to him. To the point he didn't want to loss anyone he cared about which led to his obsession with saving Sasuke. While Sasuke barely cared about anyone. So the fact he even acknowledge Naruto made him significant to Sasuke. Since he didn't care about/acknowledge anyone else in the village. The problem is the longer part 2 went on because of how little we saw of them interacting in part one the less people understood why Naruto was going to such length to save Sasuke. So kishi had to start playing up that they had this "special bond like between two brothers" which for some people sounded gay, and for other wanted it to be gay. Instead of Naruto is overprotective and possessive of the people he cares about, while Sasuke gives Naruto a modicum of respect which is more then he gives anyone else.

 

The originally the most important members of the story were Naruto and Sakura. Because Naruto is an insert for kishi. While Sakura was originally the type of girl he was into. That turned into his wife after he met her. But some of the fans became obsessed with Sasuke and Hinata so they plot slowly became solely about their wants and desires.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 09 June 2016 - 06:45 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

Hinata only got what she wanted at the very end (even if there were implications leading up to it).

Sasuke seemed like he could do anything he wanted throughout the whole story and he would always seem to get something out of the situation; being emo and such and he gets the Chidori from Kakashi, more power from betraying Konoha and going to Orochimaru, "killing Itachi" and getting the Mangekyo Sharingan, attacking the Kage Summit and killing Danzo and getting the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, openly declaring his Indra-style intentions to Hagaromo and gets more power and the Rinnegan, and after all is said and done, no punishment for ANY of the crimes he committed.

[Catra]

most annoying fandom to me were the itachi fanboys who kept spamming constant threads calling him "king" and saying he "solo's".

[Ryriena]

I can only say the only two good things that can end well with this franchise is that they do a Mass Effect 3 ending of the IT theory coming true at the end.

The ending credits of ME3 kinda of disproves that theory but I could care less since that made more sense than the current crap ending they gave us.

[Nostradamus]

The ending credits of ME3 kinda of disproves that theory but I could care less since that made more sense than the current crap ending they gave us.

Honestly I think it only strengthens the theory, if you pick the destroy ending that is. Because it makes no sense for Shepard to live after that explosion and to end up back on Earth.

And Bioware themselves confirmed that Shepard does survive if you pick the destroy option or more accurately the what is your favorite color option.

[TheFirstEvil100]

You know guys if Naruto and everyone in Konoha is dead or at least ones we know that should die and be killed this is what I will be doing this laughing like a mad man how mad well look below.

 

[BestSasuHinaSupporter]

This pairing war against the NaruHina shippers had to be one of the most obnoxious things in a very, very long time.


Since the Radical Naruto/Hinata shippers extremist are being so smug, here's a reminder: you guys enjoy but a hollow victory. You can't read back over the manga and ignore the fact Naruto loved Sakura for 699 chapters out of 700. Hinata was pairing fodder than never got much development, and neither did the relationship. You were "right" in the end, and yet Naruto/Sakura was the intended endgame pairing before Kishimoto capitulated. The manga reflects that fact, and the necessity of a movie to justify this BS pairing reflects that. You'll never be able to ignore that.



IMO the truth is that Hinata and Sakura were underdeveloped and poorly written. Hinata was almost never around Naruto for about ¾ of the story, even though it was clear what her feelings were. Sakura started out as a naive love struck girl who then kicked ass physically and mentally shortly after the time skip (Sai intro/Sasuke search arc) who then devolved back into a love struck teenage because…? If team 7 had 4 people in it including Hinata and she went on all those adventures with Naruto less people would give a fuss (I think).



Sakura became the worst character in the series IMO because she reverted back to her old self. I remember the first episode of Naruto I ever saw (Kakashi telling new Team 7 to steal bells). All 3 failed that “ninja test” for different reasons. Naruto failed because he never thought before he acted. At the end of the series he matures by becoming a more calculating person in his words and actions. Sasuke failed by taking independent actions without his teammates. He matures by realizing that he can’t accomplish any of his goals in life without support. Kakashi failed Sakura because she needed to get her head out of the clouds and stop obsessing over Sasuke so much. She matured in the end by…. Ohhh wait she didn’t.



With that said, people who say there is was NO evidence/foreshadowing for Sakura/Naruto to end up together must be dreaming. There is about as much evidence for Sakura as there is for Hinata, which confused the crap out of me when the series ended as to why Naruto and Sakura didn’t have any closure in the end (which not is properly addressed in the Last Naruto the movie). The evidence IMO pointed to Naruto confessing to Sakura in the end once he fulfilled his “promise” to her.



1.In the beginning of the series, it is revealed that Naruto has feelings for Sakura.
-Sakura knows of these affections (unbeknownst to him) thanks to Sai, but her feelings for him (according to the Databooks) are confused and unspecified.


2. Kushina's dying wish was for Naruto to find a girl like her so that Naruto can receive her love even when she was gone. Sakura was compared to Kushina by Naruto's father, noticing their striking resemblance in personality.


3. After Kaguya is defeated, Naruto talks with Minato, asking him to tell Kushina that he is keeping all her wishes. Kakashi and Sakura are shown staring at him blankly when he says that his feet aren't always properly washed. He eventually remembers his mother's wish for Naruto to find a girl like her, but starts stammering and eventually says that he hasn't quite fulfilled everything Kushina asked.


4. Throughout the series, Naruto and Sakura have been shown to share mutual admiration and strong respect for one another.


5.In Iruka's lesson of Heaven and Earth, he makes a real-world example of Naruto and Sakura, showing that each of them can't survive without the other.


6.Sakura has been shown to get angry and yell at people who insult Naruto, such as Sai and even Sasuke, who was her crush.


7.Sakura has been teased and/or pointed out as Naruto's girlfriend by Konohamaru, Gamakichi, and Minato respectively, among others.


8.Despite having feelings for Sakura, Naruto acknowledges her feelings for Sasuke. He also made a "lifetime promise" to bring Sasuke home, which is seen as both a positive and negative element of their relationship.


9.Sakura has shed tears for Naruto on numerous occasions whether due to his life being in danger or simply due to his commendable words and actions.


10.Naruto has been shown to recklessly save Sakura numerous times when her life was in danger, likely more than anyone else has


11.Sakura is shown to be openly protective over Naruto and constantly concerned for his well-being.
Additionally, Sakura realizes that Naruto has done a lot for her and wishes to repay the debts outside of "small and insignificant" things such as healing him.


12.Sakura greatly admires Naruto, particularly after he defeated Nagato.


13.Naruto and Sakura are known to constantly bicker, often ending with Sakura comically punching Naruto for being stupid, although they quickly get over each one.


14. When healing Naruto after he turned kyuubi against orochimaru, Sakura expresses her desire to be useful to Naruto. Despite her wound, she continues to heal the Uzumaki and soon asks Yamato to teach her the technique to stop Naruto's Kyubi form. She is quickly saddened when he tells her that he was the only who had this ability, saying that, as usual, the things she can do for Naruto are small and meaningless. Noticing this and her wound, Yamato claims that the important thing is Sakura's strong feelings, causing her to look up in confusion. Smiling, Yamato tries to say that he can tell she likes him by just looking at her, but he is quickly cut off as Naruto begins to awaken.


15. At the end of the Sai/Sasuke arc, Naruto complains he can’t eat because of his broken arm and Sakura, seductively moving her chair and leaning in closer to him, gives him a flirtatious look and offers to feed him, which leaves him happily surprised and blushing.


16. Naruto who is still walking through the village has a flashback about the encounter he had with Sasuke and just as he snaps out of his trance, Sakura and Sai arrive to see him sitting on a bench. Naruto then questions Sai's presence and complains that both Sakura and Sai interrupted him while he was devising a plan to go with Sakura on a date.


17. After Karui beats up naruto after he wouldn’t give any information on sasuke, Sai asks Naruto if he likes Sakura (Notice this happened after the Pain arc, wherein Hinata professed her love towards Naruto) Naruto said that he couldn’t because he didn’t keep his promise with Sakura (to bring Sasuke back).



In conclusion, based on this evidence, I can see why many people Including myself believed that Naruto would end up with Sakura (and were disappointed in the end), just as I can see how kitten the minimal evidence that caused Hinata to end up with Naruto in the end. I just wish Kishimoto hadn’t turned Sakura from IMO the worst to the best and then back to the worst female character in Naruto, and Hinata from an undeveloped minor secondary character that is not in most of the story to the main character’s significant other without having a more concrete visible relationship in the end. Ultimately I think Kishimoto just didn’t know how to develop female characters in the series which was a factor in my disliking of the pairings in the end.



Hinata's "love" to Naruto... well minus how unlike naruto, Sasuke tried to kill Sakura multiple times. But then also in that sense, naruto never gave up on Sasuke even though he tried to kill naruto multiple times. It's sort of unfair to glorify how Naruto never gave up on his 'brother' while Sakura is always viewed as someone who can't get over an infatuation.



In the second part of the series, you get lost on her true feelings. At one point, it seems like she's in love with Naruto and now just views Sasuke as a teammate she wants to save because she's loyal to him, just as Naruto is loyal to him. She even tried to kill Sasuke herself because she wanted to free both of them of this burden... though it can also be viewed as selfish since she tried to get mixed up in something she doesn't understand (my understanding was that team 7 kept her out of the loop A LOT; e.g. her not knowing how strong the bond between Sasuke and naruto was, as shown at the end before the time skip, and her believing that naruto was just trying to save Sasuke because he promised her.)



It's hard to say why Sakura still loves sasuke, though it's for sure that she's loyal to sasuke AND naruto. During the war, you don't know if she still loves him since she just remembers him when she got that love confession from the shinobi soldier. It's never really explained and kishimoto never really tries. He just always makes hint in their relationship. Even during The Last, he doesn't even touch their relationship. For all we know, the time between when sasuke left and when they had Sarada, it took quite a while for them to actually get together.



Sakura's love for Sasuke never had a chance to develop, hence her inability to let go. Not to mention, as she states in the last movie, a girl never gets over her first love... which is actually true for a lot of people in reality. You can't blame her for something that makes her human, especially when there are so many things left unspoken.



The fact of the matter is that kishimoto never expands on sakura's feelings that much that it's unfair to say she has some sort of 'undying' love for sasuke. You can tell she's sad about how life was so cruel to him and wants to help, just like how any good friend or teammate would want to do. Just because she had a crush on him when she was TWELVE, people forget that she's also a kunoichi and a friend. Her bond with sasuke may not be as strong as the bond shared by Naruto and sasuke (especially since sasuke only viewed her as an annoying girl who'd never understand him, so he never gave her a chance to let her in, and rightfully at times since sakura was only 12 and still maturing in parts of her personality like any normal 12 year old who hasn't experienced horrible trauma in their life) but I'd like to believe she's a sensitive character who cherishes her precious people.



The direction Kishimoto took in Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke and Hinata's relationships has been flipped completely if these are indeed the final couples. Sasuke and Sakura is just... Incomprehensible. The man that tried to take her life several times and has never shown an interest in her has become her husband? When I go back and read through earlier Shippuden, as well as the anime, we see Sakura's character development in regards to overcoming her love for Sasuke. We are given heavy hints to Sakura's newfound love for Naruto, something that was never done for Hinata as we outright knew her feelings for Naruto from the beginning, albeit them stemming mostly from admiration than actual personal contact with him. Furthermore, Hinata's character development during the final arc also feels rushed. Killing Neji only to spark an intimate moment with Naruto and motivate him? It does not flow well and seems inconsistent, as we are given only a few lines from Hinata highlighting her passion to fight for Naruto during the war beforehand. If these leaks are true, Kishimoto has missed out on what would feel like a more complete Sakura story: the story of a woman struggling to bring back the boy she loves, constantly being hurt, but then overcoming her naivety in womanhood to love the man that has stood by her side not only seeking the same goal, but protecting her until the very end.



This is indeed a frustrating ship to go down with, because it defies cohesive storytelling. We see two characters constantly finding themselves in conflict trying to bring back a friend they both care about together, and a partnership develops, one in which deep feelings for one another possibly begin to blossom. We see Sakura present during key shifts in Naruto's life, in his self-discovery and struggle. We see parallels of Naruto's mother and Sakura with almost undeniable evidence of their romantic feelings for one another. But now we see a woman fall for the man that attempted to take her life in his indifference, which is not only a huge step back in character development, but just downright creepy. Naruto's relationship with Hinata is similar, and although it may have been forged out of kindness, there really was no deep, intimate relationship that connected these two characters. Naruto has always looked to Sakura when asked about his love, and for someone as stubborn and passionate as him, dismissing his feelings for Sakura is an even bigger step back in his character development.



I could ramble on and on but if this is truly what Kishimoto has finalized, it is possibly one of the most unsatisfying pairing endings I've experienced. Then again, Naruto as a series has never truly focused on strong romantic character development (unless what I've seen leaked is fake and Kishimoto redeems Sakura and Naruto's relationship). The shipping for this story has been a wild ride and it is a really sad defeat, in cohesive logic behind this conclusion is non existent.

[Dalton.T.R]

Would it be terribly out of place to say the 2011 OVA should be considered the official ending of the series? Sire, take out the part of Sasuke and some of the other villains still being around, but that fight would have been perfect for the final battle. Personally, I hated when the series started moving further and further away from the hand-to-hand style and moved on to the none-stop jutsu BS. It was slow and extremely boring to read. 

 

@BestSasuHinaSupporter

 

That was an excellent read.