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[RedDelicious]

I've noticed that quite a few people that hate Sakura (let alone NaruSaku) seem to view her through their first impression of her. For example, since she hated Naruto initially, they view everything she has done since then as an extension of hatred, and won't consider the possibility that she has changed her mind (once she learned more).

That carries over to the Sasori fight. I see it is a way to show how much she has improved, as Sakura-Chiyo could take down Sasori. Other people complain that Sasori was nerfed, because, well, Sakura beat him, and it isn't possible to be weaker than Sakura.

What would happen if we put Hinata through this lens? I'm not trying to bash her character. I don't believe the case I am about to describe. I just want to point out that some of the foundations of NaruHina, which they take for granted, won't hold up if Hinata was treated as harshly as some people consider Sakura.

The one argument I'm thinking of is that Hinata "deserves" Naruto, because she always loved him, saw him for who he was, etc. But is that *necessarily* true? If I were to view Hinata in the worst possible light, then I could make the case that she didn't like Naruto because he was a loser who always fought back. She latched onto him because he was a loser, *period*.

She had low self-esteem, mostly from her own clan, but probably shyness with her classmates would add to that too. Everyone else in the class would be "above" her (even though she was a main branch Hyuuga). She could look down on Naruto, the outsider class clown with the worst grades. She might consciously say that it was the way he kept getting up after getting knocked down, but subconsciously it would be because he got knocked down more than her. She could feel superior to him.

This wouldn't even be a stretch, given what we've seen in the manga. In the fights with Kiba and Tobi, she is dismayed when things look bad for Naruto. She doesn't have confidence that he will recover and fight back. She thinks he is beaten. When do we see Hinata fainting or hiding in a crowd? When Naruto is confident or in good spirits. When did Hinata confess to Naruto? When she thought he was beaten, and she could stand over him. She didn't even try to save Naruto, she just wanted to let Naruto know that she was in a position to save him, just before she committed suicide against Pein.

[Miss Soupy]

@RedDelicious

Interesting interpretation. Hadn't really thought that Hinata might associate with Naruto because he was her level, or lower. I don't actually think this is the case, but it is true that it happens in real life.

As far as the idea that Hinata deserves Naruto because she liked him from the start... I have to say that Hinata herself would never think she deserved such a thing. In fact she has always said she only watched, unable to say a word. That is what taints whole idea, that Hinata knew Naruto from observing him, but never said a word. In a way she was worse than Sakura who at least gave him attention, however negative it might be.

[tricksie]

Yeah, I hadn't thought about it from that POV (her being above him, a la RedDelicious post) but Hinata's worship of Naruto is definitely different than Sakura's slow-burn. She wants to support him or worry for him in a frightened sort of way, whereas Sakura for the most part stands back and let's Naruto do his thang.

What especially stands out for me is the time Sakura told Hinata directly not to worry so much, that Naruto wasn't down yet (it was during a skirmish...can't remember where...but I'll find it if anyone wants me to). That clearly illustrated the different relationships the two had with Naruto. Sakura has confidence in him. Hinata mooches off his confidence.

Also, I have noticed the crazy Sakura hate out there. It's surprising because she's one of the main characters! You couldn't have this manga w/o her! But people hate her and want her to disappear - not improve, but just go away. I get the feeling that they would be resentful even if she became a better shinobi.

Which brings me to another thought - what if Kishimoto is doing this to really up the hate quotient against Sakura? Setting her up as looking manipulative so she can be misunderstood, then improve/alter/whatever and be reaccepted down the road. Otherwise he's really dealt her a crappy hand. (I think it's part of a plan, but there's a not a lot of love for Sakura right now.)

[Froot]

Hm... I know it's just an interpretation, but I think maybe that's a little harsh towards Hinata.

Though I totally agree with the lack of confidence in Naruto

@tricksie

People really don't want to see her become stronger. Funny thing is, she's the character that ''gets in the way of'' two of the most popular pairings in the Narutofandom. SasuNaru and NaruHina. So, regardless of the fact that she's irrefutably kickass, the hate will never go away.

As for your second theory.... Since Kishi's been developing her character for the better part of the entire series, I doubt he'd pull such a stupid stunt as to make her into a bad character, considering that Sakura is such a vital component to the plot. What is Team 7 without her? A sausage-fest, that's what. Definitely not Team 7, that's what.

So, yes, I'm almost certain that Kishi will give her a chance to improve, but am completely certain that the haters will continue to hate

[ciardha]

I've noticed that quite a few people that hate Sakura (let alone NaruSaku) seem to view her through their first impression of her. For example, since she hated Naruto initially, they view everything she has done since then as an extension of hatred, and won't consider the possibility that she has changed her mind (once she learned more).

That carries over to the Sasori fight. I see it is a way to show how much she has improved, as Sakura-Chiyo could take down Sasori. Other people complain that Sasori was nerfed, because, well, Sakura beat him, and it isn't possible to be weaker than Sakura.

What would happen if we put Hinata through this lens? I'm not trying to bash her character. I don't believe the case I am about to describe. I just want to point out that some of the foundations of NaruHina, which they take for granted, won't hold up if Hinata was treated as harshly as some people consider Sakura.

The one argument I'm thinking of is that Hinata "deserves" Naruto, because she always loved him, saw him for who he was, etc. But is that *necessarily* true? If I were to view Hinata in the worst possible light, then I could make the case that she didn't like Naruto because he was a loser who always fought back. She latched onto him because he was a loser, *period*.

She had low self-esteem, mostly from her own clan, but probably shyness with her classmates would add to that too. Everyone else in the class would be "above" her (even though she was a main branch Hyuuga). She could look down on Naruto, the outsider class clown with the worst grades. She might consciously say that it was the way he kept getting up after getting knocked down, but subconsciously it would be because he got knocked down more than her. She could feel superior to him.

This wouldn't even be a stretch, given what we've seen in the manga. In the fights with Kiba and Tobi, she is dismayed when things look bad for Naruto. She doesn't have confidence that he will recover and fight back. She thinks he is beaten. When do we see Hinata fainting or hiding in a crowd? When Naruto is confident or in good spirits. When did Hinata confess to Naruto? When she thought he was beaten, and she could stand over him. She didn't even try to save Naruto, she just wanted to let Naruto know that she was in a position to save him, just before she committed suicide against Pein.

That's an interesting observation, you could definitely make the argument that subconsciously this part of what is behind Hinata'a whole attraction to Naruto. As has been noted, she just stood and watched while he was in emotional pain, didn't do anything. (Where even in part 1 when Sakura sees Naruto in emotional distress she tends to act in some way to help him- you really see that by the Chunnin exams) There's also the kind of disturbing lack of emotional bond to her sensei Kurenai- who stood up to Hinata's father for her and Hinata was far and away her favorite student. Kurenai clearly had a strong emotional bond to Hinata. Hinata is never shown having any concern for her sensei when Asuma was killed, I don't recall seeing her at his funeral, nor ever visiting Kurenai afterward, nor does she show any concern for her during the destruction of Konoha. It really stands out because of Shikamaru's (Asuma's favorite student) continuing concern for Kurenai and the baby she will be having some time soon, and also because of Ino's reactions to what happens to Shizune, and Sakura's reactions to what happens to Tsunade during the destruction of Konoha arc. It does raise questions in my mind, because other than Sasuke and Hinata, the favorite student does feel a strong bond to their sensei. Hinata seems to have the same lack of emotional bond to Kurenai that Sasuke had to Kakashi- the question is why? (I think it has to do with Kishimoto giving her a bit more depth than he did in part 1, by giving her a negative point to her personality to balance things out. He's doing little things to flesh all the younger support characters out more than they were in part 1. But because Hinata is only a support character he probably won't do any kind of exploration why she is that way. )

[tricksie]

OK - I wrote a lovely long post yesterday, which my computer lovingly devoured...so I'll try to succinctly repost what I remember. *sigh*

There were some posts over the last few pages which dealt with possible Sasuke/Sakura fights and outcomes, her being a hostage, etc. I could see Sasuke using his first-hand knowledge of Sakura and Naruto as a way of defeating them.

Something like Naruto being basically unstoppable, then Sasuke positing "I know his weakness," going in for a blow only at the last minute to shift and take out Sakura. Knowing what triggered him in the Gaara fight in Part 1, Sasuke would be able to use a piece of knowledge that no one outside their team has - that Sakura was the trigger for Naruto.

It would be an ultimate betrayal - not by having the advantage as in having more power but by extinguishing bonds on the level that Itachi did to his clan. No power, just pain. If it looked like Sasuke killed Sakura, he could really push Naruto to a place of revenge and hatred.

That's just my idea du jour. But, kudos to Kishimoto here, just about every scenario is plausible. It could go lots of different ways and incorporate lots of different themes - redemption, brotherhood, bonds, etc. It's wide open!

I hope though that Sakura comes into her own and gets a more powerful role. I'd like to see her go down fighting, not held as a plot hostage. That's why I'm hoping for something like the above.

Froot - I agree, I think Kishimoto's creating a chance for her to improve on her own. Thanks for the feedback...some of the other sites out there are rabid!

Had some other stuff...will reread some of the posts to jog my memory.

Thanks for such a great place to talk about my silly ideas!!

[Froot]

Silly? Nah, I actually think your theories are pretty valid. That's what this place is for, after all. In fact, your theory is just how I pictured things should go. Kudos.

So, Sasuke aims for Naruto, then switches, getting Sakura, throwing Naruto into a rage and destroying whatever is left of their ''bond.'' However, I think, judging by the patterns of the story, Sasuke just might be redeemed. Perhaps by protecting Naruto and Sakura, like an extension of the Waves arc, where Sasuke took the hit for Naruto.

Hm. I might as well be predicting now. I'm not sure. Maybe Kishi will act like Kishi and pull something out of thin air.

[pinkheartsyellowstars]

After Waiting/Looking for Reasons from the other pairing fandoms about their view on Sakura's Confession,
I Finally found out why they think the Confession, COLLAPSED, and Sakura is LYING
Here are there considered OBVIOUS reasons(the her is referring to Sakura)

Her reaction in 458/459 proved she had no hidden feelings for Naruto, and instead she blatantly states she has a PLAN to get Naruto to give up on Sasuke: telling him what she thinks he wants to hear.
We never see the actually confession. Instead, the entire scene was played out dealing with the damage her words did; compare this to the 181 and 437 confessions, where the ILY bomb was built up to and the climax of the scene.
Her overall dialogue. "I love you. So!, you can give up on Sasuke now, okay?" It didn't occur to her that Naruto wouldn't believe her, and she her expressions become increasingly nervous as he confronts her.
The fact that Naruto didn't believe her, not even for a moment. He looked her straight in the eyes and calls her a liar multiple times, and in a situation like that, you just have to face the music: Naruto simply isn't wrong. He is dead serious about what he is saying, from start to finish.
Lack of eye contact from Sakura.
The fact this "confession" had an audience, and a very disapproving one at that. Even alleged "Dr. Love" Yamato was infuriated at Sakura's actions. The NaruHina and SasuSaku confessions, however, were intimate moments between the two parties alone. Only those that received the confession (Naruto and Sasuke) know that the girls actually confessed, though outside parties (Sakura for NH and Naruto for SS) have long since inferred the feelings anyway.
Sakura was not brokenhearted, crushed, or grief-stricken when Naruto rejected her, as one would be if they had meant everything they said only for the venture to be fruitless. Instead, she behaves exactly how one would when caught in a lie: gets defensive, angry, and even lets slip what she actually came here for ("I came to get you to give up on Sasuke! That's it!")


What's your view Guys?

[tricksie]

My other eaten post:

OK, there were several posts over the last few pages about the confession. I had some thoughts about it as well, but my thoughts are rooted in my interpretation of Sakura's reaction to finding out that Sasuke has joined the Akatsuki, so I'll start there.

In Ch. 452 when Sakura is crying in front of Karui, I think she is realizing that this is the end for their fantasy "team 7. This is when she first sees Sasuke as an enemy, and it's overwhelming. Their pursuit of him ends here; Sasuke is now going to be pursuing Naruto. If he's going after other bijuus, his attack on Naruto can't be far behind.

Sakura's only view of Akatsuki is that is the the organization that is determined to kill/de-kyuubify Naruto. She has stated this two or three times. It would be ridiculously selfish for Sakura to be sitting there crying over the loss her "love" when the reality is that this unknown ninja has just delivered a death sentence to the teammate beside her. And that this death will come from the one person Naruto believes is his "brother."

Besides, she started tearing up for Naruto during the save Gaara arc when he (N) rebuked her for being so soft-hearted. So there is a precedent for her to be upset about this stuff - eh, bursting into tears in ch. 451 isn't a big leap.

So, to me, in that chapter the light has been turned on for Sakura about Sasuke's nature, plans, etc. She is aware but has made no plan for action, and may not of had Shikamaru and Sai not tag-teamed her with bombshells: 'Sasuke's a murderer and you're forcing Naruto to pursue him.'

And this all leads to Sakura's reasoning behind her need to confront Naruto. Since I am of the persuasion that she has given up Sasuke, it paints her confession in a different light. For me, it is not only a confession of her love for Naruto but also her decision to give up on Sasuke and that she has a plan of action. She is confessing that she has made a choice, just as Sasuke has.

I see it as her taking a stand. She came to him with a confession and an agenda - he's not acknowledging her nor is he revealing his own agenda (and neither are Cap'n Squinty & Dr. Love, for that matter).

So it has forced her into taking his protection into her own hands. She's off to face what Naruto won't because his life is at stake. She's still protecting him by not letting him know her plans (which we don't yet know) nor that the rest of his peers now see Sasuke as a criminal and nukenin (which we do know).

Take that blasted computer! Ha HA!

Thanks for indulging me and my long-winded posts! I think my brain is empty now!

[RedDelicious]

Like I said in the earlier post, I don't view Hinata poorly, and I don't think she has latched onto Naruto in order to feel superior. (I think it is a fan-girl crush, which some people have mistaken as being a more meaningful love, but that's my opinion.) I was trying to demonstrate that if Hinata was held to the same low standards that Sakura-haters use, it wouldn't take much effort at all to find Hinata to be worse than Sakura.

[Miss Soupy]

Her reaction in 458/459 proved she had no hidden feelings for Naruto, and instead she blatantly states she has a PLAN to get Naruto to give up on Sasuke: telling him what she thinks he wants to hear.

I'm not sure how it proves she has no hidden feelings for Naruto. Yes, she did have a plan, but how is having a plan a determination of Sakura's hidden feelings?

We never see the actually confession. Instead, the entire scene was played out dealing with the damage her words did; compare this to the 181 and 437 confessions, where the ILY bomb was built up to and the climax of the scene.

We missed one line of the confession, that's all. It seemed like Kishi just wanted to bring it in a different way; he had to change between two very different scenes and he chose to first show Naruto's shock. Because, well, it was shocking. That's how we are supposed to feel about it.

Her overall dialogue. "I love you. So!, you can give up on Sasuke now, okay?" It didn't occur to her that Naruto wouldn't believe her, and she her expressions become increasingly nervous as he confronts her.

We don't know what Sakura expected. I could also argue the fact that she knew what to do once he basically disagreed with her meant she did expect something to go wrong. Her main goal was to protect Naruto. Naruto's main goal is to save Sasuke. Team 7 is at odds.

The fact that Naruto didn't believe her, not even for a moment. He looked her straight in the eyes and calls her a liar multiple times, and in a situation like that, you just have to face the music: Naruto simply isn't wrong. He is dead serious about what he is saying, from start to finish.
Lack of eye contact from Sakura.

Naruto might have believed it for a moment, his first expression was not one of disbelief but of shock. However, Naruto not believing her is not a reflection of Sakura's true feelings, it is a reflection of what Naruto believes. He does not prove anything about Sakura's feelings, but he does cause a shadow of doubt upon the reader. Naruto is dead serious about his own views, but how does that make him right about them? How does that give him more insight into Sakura's feelings than she herself has? It doesn't, which Sakura points out to him.

The fact this "confession" had an audience, and a very disapproving one at that. Even alleged "Dr. Love" Yamato was infuriated at Sakura's actions. The NaruHina and SasuSaku confessions, however, were intimate moments between the two parties alone. Only those that received the confession (Naruto and Sasuke) know that the girls actually confessed, though outside parties (Sakura for NH and Naruto for SS) have long since inferred the feelings anyway.
Sakura was not brokenhearted, crushed, or grief-stricken when Naruto rejected her, as one would be if they had meant everything they said only for the venture to be fruitless. Instead, she behaves exactly how one would when caught in a lie: gets defensive, angry, and even lets slip what she actually came here for ("I came to get you to give up on Sasuke! That's it!")

We don't know what caused Yamato to be angry, but it seems like he would be angry about Sakura wanting to give up on Sasuke, not about the confession itself, for he showed comedic annoyance at the love confession and then real anger at the forget Sasuke part.

Only Sakura's confession to Sasuke could be thought of as intimate. Hinata's confession definitely wasn't, she confessed in front of the enemy while Naruto was being stabbed. Not exactly what I would call an intimate moment. Sakura's confession to Naruto had a large crowd, but I suspect she needed the support in case she backed down on her own. She went with a clear goal in mind, but I suspect trying to get Naruto to give up on Sasuke wouldn't be the easiest thing for her to do.

Her behaving as one would when caught in a lie? There are many ways one might behave. Sometimes people break down and apologize, sometimes people lie more, sometimes people get defensive. How does someone react when they aren't lying but are being called a liar? They get mad. How exactly, then, would Sakura's anger be proof she is lying?

Really, if you look at the confession as a whole, what do you think kishi was trying to accomplish with it? First part, Kishi writes it in a way that the reader is made to doubt Sakura. Second part, Sakura defends herself and the reader is made to doubt Naruto. While many people seem to have made up their mind with the first half of the discussion, you must look at the confession as a whole. All it seems to be doing is setting up disharmony between Naruto and Sakura in a moment where they need to be strong together. This, most likely, will lead into a resolution where Naruto and Sakura learn to appreciate one another on a whole new level.

[Froot]

Concerning PHeart's post;

I understand the want to analyze things from the characters' perspectives, and trying to figure out how they see things, but there's no need for them to go all Freud on us. I doubt they're liscensed psychologists, and they're just looking too hard. I doubt even Kishi is looking that far into things. I believe he's got a totally different viewpoint, that of the author. He knows things we don't.

Maybe it's much simpler for him. Maybe all it is is ''Sakura confessed, but Naruto felt she was lying.'' Not ''Naruto said this to which Sakura replied with this, and her facial expressions and body temperature say she's lying, and she must have been beaten by her father, and I bet I can tell what she's thinking about.'' It really doesn't have to be that complicated.

@Red.

I understand. And I really agree. The only thing keeping those things from being said is hypocrisy; Sakura sucks, and Hinata FTW. Even though Sakura's got stronger development and more character

It used to bug me a lot, but now it's just, eh.

[Lazy-Genius]

Her reaction in 458/459 proved she had no hidden feelings for Naruto, and instead she blatantly states she has a PLAN to get Naruto to give up on Sasuke: telling him what she thinks he wants to hear.

it's called softening to blow. She's trying to get him to break his bond with Sasuke, and replace it with a stronger bond with her.

Her overall dialogue. "I love you. So!, you can give up on Sasuke now, okay?" It didn't occur to her that Naruto wouldn't believe her, and she her expressions become increasingly nervous as he confronts her.

She's nervous 'cause she doesn't want him to be hurt. Killing Sasuke would be a major blow to Naruto and she knows she can't prevent that, but again, she wants to soften the blow to him by giving him something that he's always wanted. Her love.

The fact this "confession" had an audience, and a very disapproving one at that. Even alleged "Dr. Love" Yamato was infuriated at Sakura's actions

I think you should look at Yamato's face again. The expression doesn't seem to be saying "I'm angry" more like what he was saying "what's going on?"

The NaruHina and SasuSaku confessions, however, were intimate moments between the two parties alone. Only those that received the confession (Naruto and Sasuke) know that the girls actually confessed, though outside parties (Sakura for NH and Naruto for SS) have long since inferred the feelings anyway.

Maybe it's a good thing that the NS confession was different then. So far, nothing has happened with the other two confessions.

Sakura was not brokenhearted, crushed, or grief-stricken when Naruto rejected her, as one would be if they had meant everything they said only for the venture to be fruitless. Instead, she behaves exactly how one would when caught in a lie: gets defensive, angry, and even lets slip what she actually came here for ("I came to get you to give up on Sasuke! That's it!")

when does Naruto reject her? From his point of view, Sakura still has feeling for Sasuke (and she might), so he doesn't want to start a relationship with her thinking that she might still have feelings for Sasuke. He's protecting himself from grief if she were to leave him for Sasuke, and he's protecting her from what he thinks is choosing the wrong person.

actually, she says "I've come here because I want you to come back to the village with me! That's all!"

[Froot]

Maybe it's a good thing that the NS confession was different then. So far, nothing has happened with the other two confessions.

BURN!

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Lazy, I love that. And it's so true. for you.

[RedDelicious]

Only Sakura's confession to Sasuke could be thought of as intimate. Hinata's confession definitely wasn't, she confessed in front of the enemy while Naruto was being stabbed. Not exactly what I would call an intimate moment.

Good point! From what they knew about Pein, even though only one person/body was watching, Hinata might have suspected that six or more of the enemy were actually watching.

when does Naruto reject her?

Another good point! We even see that on page 1 of chapter 470.
Sakura: If you don't like me, then just say so!!

She gave him the perfect opening, if he was going to reject her. He didn't.

Naruto: You came all this way just to tell me something like that!? It's just weird!

Naruto is having trouble understanding why someone would care enough about him to travel to another country to tell him that. In which case, it doesn't matter what or how she said the confession, he wouldn't believe it. That's his problem, not Sakura's.

Edited by RedDelicious, 12 November 2009 - 11:48 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

One thing I have noticed fans, specifically NH fans, have argued is this idea that romance isn't important in Naruto. Basically I have heard two things argued: 1) Kishimoto isn't good at/not comfortable with writing romance, 2) romance is not important in the plot. But, compared to other shounen mangas I have read, Naruto has a ton more romance than they do and, even more, the romance is closely related to major plot of the story. I get the feeling that some fans argue this point because for their pairing this pretty much has to be true. For NH to work, romance can't be important to the story because it will have to be developed outside the major plot. For NS, because both characters involved are directly related to the major plot, their feelings for each other are actually important to the story. Hinata's feelings towards Naruto are much less important.

I won't say Kishi is a genius at romance or he is horrible at it. I do believe though, that he must be fairly comfortable writing it because he adds quite a bit of it into the story. There is a lot of unrequited love, some that he didn't have to add if he didn't want to focus on on romance. The other manga I read regularly is bleach, and there has only be one confession in the entire manga; it was unrequited love also, but the huge difference I see is that romance between these two characters would not effect the major plot at all even though the two characters involved are major characters. Naruto is different, romance does effect the major events, even though it is a shounen manga.

Even more strange, I recalled a shoujo manga I am reading that had an oddly similar problem develop between two characters. The boy loves the girl but the girl seems indifferent to him. The boy ignores his feelings in an effort to keep his friendship with the girl. The boy goes through something dramatic and the girl realizes she has feelings for him. The girl tries to deny her feelings, but she cannot help but get closer to the boy. The boy begins to have issues with an outside problem and begins to distance himself from the girl. This pushes the girl to actively try to help the boy as well as admit her feelings. She tries to help, but ends up seeming like a burden. The boy pushes her away out of worry for her while keeping his feelings a secret from her.

Oddly familiar

[Lazy-Genius]

I won't say Kishi is a genius at romance or he is horrible at it. I do believe though, that he must be fairly comfortable writing it because he adds quite a bit of it into the story.

well said. I have to say that I enjoy reading romances like the ones in Full Metal Alchemist and Rurouni Kenshin, where there's really only the select few pairings that get all the hints/confessions, ect... but I absolutely love the fact that we can spend over 100 pages talking about this one pairing and still not even be close to running out of things to say.

[Devil Keyz]

Well im not readin' all those post above me but i have to say..

NaruSaku is Good because Sakura really only likes saskue because of his " coolness " she doesn't really know him.. even the in the first few episodes she wanted sasuke to have lunch with her to get to know each other.. naruto says the exact same thing, even later she dream's of saskue sayin' her head is charmin', naruto as saskue say's the same thing.. She want's sasuke to be a person like naruto, but that ain't gone happen so eh, thats my opinion anyway.


One More thing, i don't think the creator of the series is ever going to make a couple in the actual anime, just for the fact that to many fan's would be mad at the choice, no matter what it was.

Edited by Devil Keyz, 13 November 2009 - 12:43 AM.

[Myth]

I definitely agree(devilkeyz)
Maybe naruto will end up alone like jiraiya,sasuke cant bring back hes dark and evil now
ı think narusaku is only logical pairing.. its my opinion of course

[Nate River]

After Waiting/Looking for Reasons from the other pairing fandoms about their view on Sakura's Confession,
I Finally found out why they think the Confession, COLLAPSED, and Sakura is LYING
Here are there considered OBVIOUS reasons(the her is referring to Sakura)

Her reaction in 458/459 proved she had no hidden feelings for Naruto, and instead she blatantly states she has a PLAN to get Naruto to give up on Sasuke: telling him what she thinks he wants to hear.
We never see the actually confession. Instead, the entire scene was played out dealing with the damage her words did; compare this to the 181 and 437 confessions, where the ILY bomb was built up to and the climax of the scene.
Her overall dialogue. "I love you. So!, you can give up on Sasuke now, okay?" It didn't occur to her that Naruto wouldn't believe her, and she her expressions become increasingly nervous as he confronts her.
The fact that Naruto didn't believe her, not even for a moment. He looked her straight in the eyes and calls her a liar multiple times, and in a situation like that, you just have to face the music: Naruto simply isn't wrong. He is dead serious about what he is saying, from start to finish.
Lack of eye contact from Sakura.
The fact this "confession" had an audience, and a very disapproving one at that. Even alleged "Dr. Love" Yamato was infuriated at Sakura's actions. The NaruHina and SasuSaku confessions, however, were intimate moments between the two parties alone. Only those that received the confession (Naruto and Sasuke) know that the girls actually confessed, though outside parties (Sakura for NH and Naruto for SS) have long since inferred the feelings anyway.
Sakura was not brokenhearted, crushed, or grief-stricken when Naruto rejected her, as one would be if they had meant everything they said only for the venture to be fruitless. Instead, she behaves exactly how one would when caught in a lie: gets defensive, angry, and even lets slip what she actually came here for ("I came to get you to give up on Sasuke! That's it!")


What's your view Guys?

That means Sakura is far crueler, short-sided, and dumber than most of the fandom thought possible.

Seriously, she tells him he loves him without meaning a word? Such a thing is cruel, short-sided, and dumb because it leaves her in only two possible positions. She either has to come clean and tell him she lied, which will undoubtedly hurt him for the obvious reason. But this is made far worse by the fact that she would have had to think this was sufficient for him to give up on Sasuke. And if the plan worked?

All I could say is ouch. Her plan is essence would be to use a total lie about something he's wanted since Chapter 3 that would have had the double whammy of having made him give up on his best friend in the process.

Yikes.

Sakura is neither that cruel nor that stupid. I could have least believed that she'd lie about not having feelings out of a misguided sense of self-punishment and guilt. I, however, see no real good justification for this plan.

Or she plans on sticking with him in the hopes that she'll eventually fall in love, which completely unfair for everyone involved and could end in an even bigger disaster than option one.

Nor do I understand why grief is the exclusive emotion one can feel when they have their feelings thrown back in their face.