just in case no one has seen it this is viz' translation of the final panels
also they translate the seal as "100 healings mark"
Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:48 PM
Don't feel sorry for me, Don! Like you said, God nudged me in the right direction and now I can be happy.
Plus, the experience helped me grow into the person that I am today. Without all of that drama and heartache, I wouldn't have known what kind of person I wanted to be with. I'd still be really naiive and I probably wouldn't have been as interested in Naruto, (I started reading the series seriously to take my mind off of things.) Everything happens for a reason.
We all have those moment but sometimes it's just to test our strength and believes.
Bolded: I think she has been thinking seriously about her relationship with Sasuke since the Summit arc. I mean, we have chapter 540 which shows that she's at least recognized that Sasuke is a different person now than what she thought he was. But, as you said, I'm sure her thoughts are being withheld from us purposely.
For me I always believe that when Sakura was talking with that Lover nin she was thinking about two person, something that will go along with Naruto saying that Sakura is his GF but it's complicated.
Yeah, I can't completely relate to Sakura because our situations have some differences, but I think the point still stands. Sometimes it can take a long time to get over your feelings for someone else, no matter how badly they mistreat you. It depends on how strong your love for the other party is and how far you're willing to go for them.
Trust me I do understand what you meant but what I was saying is that they were never in a relationship Sasuke never encourage her feeling similar to what also happen with Karin and in a worst way with Ino, Kishimoto just want the girls to still like Sasuke to a point where is not longer funny and it doesn't make any sense. Your stuff even when it was a bump in your life it makes a lot more sense because you were actually in a relationship.
I'm sure there are many people that have been through similar experiences, whether they actually dated the other person, or had a long-lasting crush that they couldn't get over. I have a friend that had a crush on someone for six years straight. He had no real interest in her, but he liked to lead her on a lot. (At one point, he asked her to date him because one of his friends dared him to...
) But regardless of all of that, she stood by him loyally the whole time.
I girl that have a crush for a guy for 6 years despite her knowing that he didn't feel that way about her, talk about not wanting to get out you comfort world and actually try to know other people.
Anyway that can also happen if the guy is not a jerk, try to hurt her but the most I can accept is 2 or even 3 year because of school life.
Even I still can understand some real life situations but when it comes to trying to kill me and vowing you will kill everyone I hold dare I will never forgive you for that, but for story sake we all know that won't be the case with Naruto the Manga.
I cannot get cannot get used to the splitting reply yet, but I will get their soon.
Edited by Don-kun, 04 June 2013 - 12:01 AM.
Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:59 PM
Is Kishi going to have Sakura fangirl over Sasuke til the very end she doesn't love him anymore? This is the fear some people have and what some people predict. She is going to basically forget, albeit temporarily, for a moment of relapse into part 1 Sakura. I know you will tell me "That's not gonna happen," but this is the fear people are going to have.
This is why again I emphasis that Kishi needs to be very careful with what he depicts and how he chooses to depict it.
When was the last time Sakura actually fangirled Sasuke? I'm asking seriously because I honestly don't remember.
Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:00 AM
just in case no one has seen it this is viz' translation of the final panels
also they translate the seal as "100 healings mark"
"Don't drag us down, Naruto!" O_o"
"100 healings mark"???????!
I guess its translator was drunken...
Wtf...LOL
Edited by 六道仙人, 04 June 2013 - 12:01 AM.
俺は天才バスケットマン桜木花道。
"I'm the Basketball genius, Hanamichi Sakuragi"
Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:02 AM
just in case no one has seen it this is viz' translation of the final panels
also they translate the seal as "100 healings mark"
They really translated the seal as "100 healings mark" ? It can't be! There is no "100" in the name of it! That makes no sense! It is NOT 100, but it should be WHITE. Unless, the raw itself is wrong...
That would mean it's related to Tsunade's "100 healings technique"...but they should be different.
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The rest of the translation is good.
We'll just have to see what the seal does.
"You've got the need. You've got the dream" 絆ってなんだ?
GNS for life
Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:04 AM
When was the last time Sakura actually fangirled Sasuke? I'm asking seriously because I honestly don't remember.
This is under drastic debate even now. Some say this chapter. Some say 540 (which I find people keep constantly bringing up. If it is not a fangirl moment to you guys, why keep bringing it up?)
However, I am not gonna look at what happened in the past. I am looking more towards the future and the many huge theories that people think Kishi is going to revitalize the Love triangle in this such way.
They really translated the seal as "100 healings mark" ? It can't be! There is no "100" in the name of it! That makes no sense! It is NOT 100, but it should be WHITE. Unless, the raw itself is wrong...
That would mean it's related to Tsunade's "100 healings technique"...but they should be different.
...
...
The rest of the translation is good.
We'll just have to see what the seal does.
I kind of don't like the whole "Don't drag us down, Naruto." line. And no, not because of the obvious reasons. I like the "Don't get in my way, Naruto" better. Seems more like Sasuke's style.
Edited by James S Cassidy, 04 June 2013 - 12:09 AM.
Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:10 AM
They really translated the seal as "100 healings mark" ? It can't be! There is no "100" in the name of it! That makes no sense! It is NOT 100, but it should be WHITE. Unless, the raw itself is wrong...
That would mean it's related to Tsunade's "100 healings technique"...but they should be different.
...
...
The rest of the translation is good.
We'll just have to see what the seal does.
it was drunken the translator. Raw is never wrong... I think that the trasnlator just confused sakura's byakugou with that's tsunade...
The rest of translation was right expect that "Don't drag us down, Naruto" from Sasuke... It was....so SS and lol at Sakura which it seems that she's saying he was right O_o"
俺は天才バスケットマン桜木花道。
"I'm the Basketball genius, Hanamichi Sakuragi"
Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:11 AM
just in case no one has seen it this is viz' translation of the final panels
also they translate the seal as "100 healings mark"
I might sound biased since I prefer direct translation from people who actually don't try to change the words for them to make more sense but after our member translation I could not make any sense of Sakura's Yes, now it seems like is Naruto is acting jealous while focusing on minor detail, while Sasuke is telling him focus and stop acting like a child witch Sakura says yes like in an agreement with Sasuke statement but adding the Hokage stuff that is obviously a tease since we all know she supports his dream.
@六道仙人
I know your translation is more accurate.
But to you and James if looking on the line with out pairing in your mind it actually makes more sense for Sasuke to say that, he is actually asking to focus on the enemy act hand not to stop dragging himself and Sakura down, I think only a SS fan will read that line like that.
Edited by Don-kun, 04 June 2013 - 12:21 AM.
Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:16 AM
it was drunken the translator. Raw is never wrong... I think that the trasnlator just confused sakura's byakugou with that's tsunade...
The rest of translation was right expect that "Don't drag us down, Naruto" from Sasuke... It was....so SS
and lol at Sakura which it seems that she's saying he was right O_o"
Thanks Rikudo!
This is going to be a serious problem because there will be A LOT of confusion in the fans, more than there is now!
and I also agree with everyone, the translation of Sasuke he shouldn't have included Sakura. As James said, the best translation is when he talks to Naruto without including Sakura
"You've got the need. You've got the dream" 絆ってなんだ?
GNS for life
Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:24 AM
the problem is that after this the fans will be more confused about Sakura's technique (i just bet that now anti sakura fans and NH fans will say that Sakura is just a copy even about techniques) and then some SS fans will just scream because Sasuke-kun don't want that Naruto goes between him and Sakura.
And that "Don't drag us down, Naruto" doesn't give any sense to Sakura's response... God lord, it seems that he was agree with him!
How I read this kinda translation...
Naruto: Ehhmm... I'm here too, Sakura...
Sasuke: screw out, Naruto! Don't drag us down!
Sakura: Yeah! I agree with him! If you don't quit with these nonsense, I will steal you the hokage's position!
Edited by 六道仙人, 04 June 2013 - 12:25 AM.
俺は天才バスケットマン桜木花道。
"I'm the Basketball genius, Hanamichi Sakuragi"
Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:33 AM
Okay, that's reasonable Slextrem and I respect that, but...let me ask you one more question...
Would you still fangirl him up to that point? I think this is the huge focus I am trying to get here which many seem to ignore. Would you continue to idolize him thinking he is so great? I think this is what people are afraid of and what even now many of you are misinterpreting. It's not about Sakura caring about Sasuke or whether or not she is still in love with him that is the problem. The problem is will she blush around him and idolize him despite everything he has tried to do to her. You can love someone AND not like them. I do. My second GF after my fiance died is a girl who I love, but I don't like her cause she was too...unforgiving.
I will always love her, but I know she is a bad person and I know she will never be the person I thought she was. This is how I expect Sakura to feel about Sasuke. She loves him, but she is not in love with him anymore. If she still shows that "in love" emotions, then that will cause problems. Again, it's not the beginning nor the end that worries me. It is the road. How many more bumps will there be? What happens if you try to side-step a pothole only to dive off a cliff.
I am going to put money down that if Sakura has a fangirl moment over Sasuke between now and the end, all of you will hate it and think Sakura's character is ruined. Just look at the small sample people had just from the assumption of it with that one panel.
Is Kishi going to have Sakura fangirl over Sasuke til the very end she doesn't love him anymore? This is the fear some people have and what some people predict. She is going to basically forget, albeit temporarily, for a moment of relapse into part 1 Sakura. I know you will tell me "That's not gonna happen," but this is the fear people are going to have.
This is why again I emphasis that Kishi needs to be very careful with what he depicts and how he chooses to depict it.
I'm sorry that I missed the point of your question.
No, I would not fan-girl him up until the very end, and I would hope that Sakura wouldn't do that either. I like to believe that she's outgrown that, but you never know. I wasn't expecting Karin to run into Sasuke's arms right off of the bat, but look at how that turned out. Not that I will like it, but if Kishimoto does make Sakura into a fan-girl once more, I think there will be a purpose behind it. That purpose being Naruto's final development, where he finally gains Sasuke's acknowledgement and steals Sakura's heart from him. In fact, it seems like he might be setting up for something like that now, given how last chapter ended with some classic Team Seven interaction... It doesn't do Sakura's character any justice, but c'est la vie. I can think of 100 better ways to go about resolving Naruto's development, but it's Kishimoto's story, and if that's the way he wants to go about it then there's nothing we can do.
That being said, I think there is a good chance that that won't happen, because Sakura's final development also revolves around Sasuke. To have her fan-girl over him now would be putting her all the way back at square one. She may show some degree of feelings for Sasuke once more, (not necessarily "fan-girling", though at this point, I think the fandom will label anything that Sakura does that involves Sasuke as "fan-girling"), but that's going to come to an abrupt halt as soon as whatever Sasuke is scheming surfaces.
Like I said earlier, something is going to happen that will lead to her making a concrete decision about her feelings, one way or the other. The fate of that rests in the hands of both Sasuke and Naruto. For the record, I'll be just as pissed if Naruto doesn't start showing Sakura that he's serious about her as I will be if Kishimoto decides to have Sakura run back to Sasuke. Other than asking her for the occasional date, he hasn't really given her a serious reason to believe that he wants to pursue a romantic relationship with her.
Anyway, I don't have a problem with Sakura still looking up to Sasuke to some degree. If I did, I would have to have a problem with Naruto doing the same thing. Sasuke means a lot to both of them, and I think the series is going to end with both of them still feeling, to some degree, that Sasuke is someone they respect.
Edited by Slextrem, 04 June 2013 - 12:42 AM.
Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:36 AM
the problem is that after this the fans will be more confused about Sakura's technique (i just bet that now anti sakura fans and NH fans will say that Sakura is just a copy even about techniques) and then some SS fans will just scream because Sasuke-kun don't want that Naruto goes between him and Sakura.
And that "Don't drag us down, Naruto" doesn't give any sense to Sakura's response... God lord, it seems that he was agree with him!
How I read this kinda translation...
Naruto: Ehhmm... I'm here too, Sakura...
Sasuke: screw out, Naruto! Don't drag us down!
Sakura: Yeah! I agree with him! If you don't quit with these nonsense, I will steal you the hokage's position!
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That's how you read it and trust me am pretty sure many SS fans out of desperation will agree with you.
The problem is who thinks that way then it's sure that they aren't a Sakura fans, is more like they are happy with SS at any cost and really desire for Sakura to tell Naruto to kitten off.
A fan that actually fallows the character knows she would never say something like that, that's why even when it isn't the right translation it make sense if you see it as Sasuke asking him to focus on the target and stop going over little stuff otherwise why Sakura said yes in an agreement manner, and tell him that if he keep focusing and little details you know what fallows, even Red asked you this same question last week.
Edited by Don-kun, 04 June 2013 - 12:43 AM.
Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:44 AM
That being said, I think there is a good chance that that won't happen, because Sakura's final development also revolves around Sasuke. To have her fan-girl over him now would be putting her all the way back at square one. She may show some degree of feelings for Sasuke once more, (not necessarily "fan-girling", though at this point, I think the fandom will label anything that Sakura does that involves Sasuke "fan-girling"), but that's going to come to an abrupt halt as soon as whatever Sasuke is scheming surfaces.
I agree with all of this. Especially the part about no matter the substance or context of Sakura's interactions with Sasuke, it will be perceived by many to be fangirling. But then, that depends entirely on one's definition of fangirling.
I'm personally not concerned with the fear and paranoia over what Kishimoto will do. No matter what he does, or no matter how clear he makes things, there will continue to be fear and paranoia until the story is over. Even then I would not be surprised if there aren't some who believe he will write an epilogue (or second epilogue) that shows everything we read in the manga was a dream, and it will really, really, really end up some other way. That's about how ridiculous the theories are getting.
*sigh*
There was fear and paranoia about Hinata's future role after #615. Fear and paranoia that Naruto meant something with the holding of Hinata's hand only. There is still fear and paranoia that Hinata will somehow reemerge -- even after #631 -- to nullify the Sakura/Kushina parallel and be Naruto's girlfriend because he was "joking." SS is just getting the most focus of fear and paranoia now because Sasuke is back.
One would think that if Kishimoto intended to make the characters regress, or senselessly drag out the pairings, he would have made Naruto's response to the girlfriend question vague. But instead he torpedoed NH in a few panels.
Will Kishimoto "ruin" his story, NS, or Sakura's characterization by making her regress with Sasuke? No one knows for sure. But at the moment there is no compelling reason to think he will. It seems to me he has been very straightforward in the last few chapters, and I hate to see anyone fretting.
Like I said earlier, something is going to happen that will lead to her making a concrete decision about her feelings, one way or the other. The fate of that lies in the hands of both Sasuke and Naruto. For the record, I'll be just as pissed if Naruto doesn't start showing Sakura that he's serious about her as I will be if Kishimoto decides to have Sakura run back to Sasuke. Other than asking her for the occasional date, he hasn't really given her a serious reason to believe that he wants to pursue a romantic relationship with her.
Bolded: YES! Ugh. As I've said elsewhere on this board many times, Naruto needs to own his love for Sakura and do something about it. Like she said just recently, "Stop sniveling and grow a pair!"
Did you hear that, Naruto?
Edited by KnS, 04 June 2013 - 12:51 AM.
Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:00 AM
the problem is that after this the fans will be more confused about Sakura's technique (i just bet that now anti sakura fans and NH fans will say that Sakura is just a copy even about techniques) and then some SS fans will just scream because Sasuke-kun don't want that Naruto goes between him and Sakura.
And that "Don't drag us down, Naruto" doesn't give any sense to Sakura's response... God lord, it seems that he was agree with him!
How I read this kinda translation...
Naruto: Ehhmm... I'm here too, Sakura...
Sasuke: screw out, Naruto! Don't drag us down!
Sakura: Yeah! I agree with him! If you don't quit with these nonsense, I will steal you the hokage's position!
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This is right. There are two very big problems. So I will like to clear out anybody's curiosity for the translation here.
Sakura's seal is NOT "100 Healings seal" in any way, shape or form. Sakura's seal has the word WHITE in it's name. Rough translation is "White Strength Seal". It is different from what we see from Tsunade. Please don't confuse it with Tsunade's technique viz totally messed up! They are very different. Sakura's seal is not the Yin seal.
Seeing Viz's pattern with calling Tsunade's Byakugou no Jutsu "100 healings", maybe Sakura's could have been translated as "White healing". That would have been more on target.
Let's wait for the upcoming chapters so that Kishi can fully establish what Sakura's seal is and what it does.
Second problem that people are seeing is Sasuke's translation "Don't drag us down, Naruto."
Now honestly, it is not a wrong translation. If I saw the words without any context, I would agree that it can be translated as this. But in context, it is not the best choice of translation.
As James says, it's very off character for Sasuke do include Sakura when he is speaking. He speaks directly to Naruto. It's something that is in character for him to say to Naruto. To use the word "us" isn't very like Sasuke.
Second as what 六道 says, SS fodder where there wasn't really that much of a moment. It turned Sakura, who's main reaction is with Naruto, to look like something different.
HOWEVER, that translation isn't really wrong. It could have been worse!
So all in all "Viz is drunk"!
If anyone else has any questions, please ask!
"You've got the need. You've got the dream" 絆ってなんだ?
GNS for life
Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:11 AM
Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 04 June 2013 - 01:12 AM.
Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:12 AM
just in case no one has seen it this is viz' translation of the final panels
also they translate the seal as "100 healings mark"
when Sasuke said " don't drag us down, Naruto"
I thought he was getting mad that Naruto was whining XD
I didn't think anything of it.....in fact I like this version better
the other one "don't get in my way" sounds like "don't get in my way with Sakura" XD at least to me.
Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:15 AM
Interesting to see different takes on the chapter and you know, I like this. I'm not asking for someone to find a loophole to make a pairing moment because it's not, I do like how there's different take from it. Again, my only problem is jutsu name is misleading. Other than that, it's not bad. I still wish for translation to be same as original adaptation, rather than shortening or change it to make it sounds hip. Oh well, I'm still surprised that DB3 was very spot on.
when Sasuke said " don't drag us down, Naruto"
I thought he was getting mad that Naruto was whining XD
I didn't think anything of it.....in fact I like this version better
the other one "don't get in my way" sounds like "don't get in my way with Sakura" XD at least to me.
Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:16 AM
I agree with all of this. Especially the part about no matter the substance or context of Sakura's interactions with Sasuke, it will be perceived by many to be fangirling. But then, that depends entirely on one's definition of fangirling.
If the majority considers her saying "Sasuke-kun!" fangirling, then I don't expect them to react any better to more serious interaction between the two.
I'm personally not concerned with the fear and paranoia over what Kishimoto will do. No matter what he does, or no matter how clear he makes things, there will continue to be fear and paranoia until the story is over. Even then I would not be surprised if there aren't some who believe he will write an epilogue (or second epilogue) that shows everything we read in the manga was a dream, and it will really, really, really end up some other way. That's about how ridiculous the theories are getting.
LOL! You know, I wouldn't put it past a lot of the fandom to do that. I used to joke with StriderC about how the majority would react to Naruto kissing Sakura, or her returning his feelings. They'd probably say that he was under a genjutsu, or that it was actually Hinata disguised as Sakura to get Naruto's attention.
There was fear and paranoia about Hinata's future role after #615. Fear and paranoia that Naruto meant something with the holding of Hinata's hand only. There is still fear and paranoia that Hinata will somehow reemerge -- even after #631 -- to nullify the Sakura/Kushina parallel and be Naruto's girlfriend because he was "joking." SS is just getting the most focus of fear and paranoia now because Sasuke is back.
One would think that if Kishimoto intended to make the characters regress, or senselessly drag out the pairings, he would have made Naruto's response to the girlfriend question vague. But instead he torpedoed NH in a few panels.
Will Kishimoto "ruin" his story, NS, or Sakura's characterization by making her regress with Sasuke? No one knows for sure. But at the moment there is no compelling reason to think he will. It seems to me he has been very straightforward in the last few chapters, and I hate to see anyone fretting.
Honestly, I'm not worried about any of it anymore. After Sakura's speech, Minato's comment, and Naruto's response, there really is nothing to fear about how Kishimoto is going to end the series. I think we're going to end up in another Road to Ninja situation, actually.
For a while, it looked like Kismoto was going to take the story in a different direction, (#615), but it turned out that wasn't the case. If he was willing to "torpedo" NaruHina right after Hinata's big moment, and all of the mini-developments for her that followed it, I'm sure he'll end up doing the same thing to SasuSaku. Only it will be on an even grander scale, since now he's dealing with his three main characters.
YES! Ugh. As I've said elsewhere on this board many times, Naruto needs to own his love for Sakura and do something about it. Like she said just recently, "Stop sniveling and grow a pair!"
Did you hear that, Naruto?
You crack me up.
If he stalls on this any longer, I will be very unhappy.
Edited by Slextrem, 04 June 2013 - 01:17 AM.
Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:17 AM
Interesting to see different takes on the chapter and you know, I like this. I'm not asking for someone to find a loophole to make a pairing moment because it's not, I do like how there's different take from it. Again, my only problem is jutsu name is misleading. Other than that, it's not bad. I still wish for translation to be same as original adaptation, rather than shortening or change it to make it sounds hip. Oh well, I'm still surprised that DB3 was very spot on.
I also have the same perception as you. The only thing I'm really upset about is the translation of the name. I will say that Viz has never been that great with it, but this time it was plain wrong.
Also, it's a seal name!
"You've got the need. You've got the dream" 絆ってなんだ?
GNS for life
Posted 04 June 2013 - 01:24 AM
I also have the same perception as you. The only thing I'm really upset about is the translation of the name. I will say that Viz has never been that great with it, but this time it was plain wrong.
Also, it's a seal name!
Yeah, I agree with you a lot. I mean I wonder how many people say 1000 something something, I forgot what's Kage Bushin no Jutsu is called in Viz version. When I read that I was like, "Yeah....or it's Shadow Clone....Why make it so new?..." Oh well, I'm going to end up getting both volumes languages (thank you, NYC!), so meh to me. I just hope people are hardcore to know that the jutsu's real name/purpose.
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