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[tekopi]

Itachi killed off the family Sasuke loved (including Itachi himself, now). He told Sasuke that he needed to hate to be strong, and to kill his best friend to reach that ambition. I think Sasuke is doing EXACTLY what Itachi told him to do (although not what Itachi intended to happen).

I didn't see it that way...come to think of it maybe you're right.

[ciardha]

It equals Megadrama.

Honestly? If I were Kishi at this point, that is exactly what I would do. The abduction of Sakura would be very near to the story's climax. It just keeps getting more intense. And Kishi may be predictable at times, but he's never cliche, so it just might happen.

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And he did it with Rin in the Kakashi Gaiden- of course Rin wasn't anywhere near the fighter Sakura is. If Sasuke or Madara take Sakura as hostage after a fierce fight by her against them, I'm kind of seeing the possibility of Sasuke getting "redeemed" by dying to save Naruto and Sakura.

[Froot]

And he did it with Rin in the Kakashi Gaiden- of course Rin wasn't anywhere near the fighter Sakura is. If Sasuke or Madara take Sakura as hostage after a fierce fight by her against them, I'm kind of seeing the possibility of Sasuke getting "redeemed" by dying to save Naruto and Sakura.

Konan was kidnapped and used as bait, too. And yes, I agree about the redemption. Sasuke gets redeemed in the end by sacrificing himself - the only real way that I can see for him to make up for everything. He abducts Sakura and has a last-second change of heart. Before he dies, Sakura resolves her feelings, and everyone is happy

The only issue I see with Madara abducting Sakura is that Naruto won't get a chance to see how evil Sasuke is. But of course, there are always other chances

[ciardha]

Konan was kidnapped and used as bait, too. And yes, I agree about the redemption. Sasuke gets redeemed in the end by sacrificing himself - the only real way that I can see for him to make up for everything. He abducts Sakura and has a last-second change of heart. Before he dies, Sakura resolves her feelings, and everyone is happy

The only issue I see with Madara abducting Sakura is that Naruto won't get a chance to see how evil Sasuke is. But of course, there are always other chances

Yeah, forgot about Konan. She's more of a fighter than Rin was, but would have been no match for Hanzo, who even fought all three Sanin at once, in their late teens, to a standoff. (Heh, Jiraiya was so Naruto like in that scene and Tsunade seemed very Sakura like. )

I was thinking as far as Madara abducting Sakura it being more of a collaboration with Sasuke. Sasuke fights Kiba, Lee, Sai, Sakura and they are all injured enough that they can't fight him anymore. Madara pops in and says- "leave the others, but take the girl. Naruto Uzumaki will come to us if she's our hostage." Sasuke agrees and Sakura is now a prisoner of the Akatsuki. Sakura informs Sasuke that Naruto will die if the Kyuubi is taken out (I'm betting he doesn't know this, especially after he reacted with no surprise to Gaara still being alive. When he comments about Gaara still being alive, Sakura will tell him about Chiyo's ability, how it killed her to use it, and only Chiyo had that ability to bring a dead person back that way.) Sasuke will tell Sakura about what he was told by Madara about the Uchiha, they'll argue back in forth, planting some doubts in Sasuke's mind about his choices.

[Froot]

Heehee, sounds a lot like fanfiction

Everything sounds reasonable, except for one thing you said:

''leave the others, but take the girl. Naruto Uzumaki will come to us if she's our hostage.''

Naruto would come if anyone was Madara's hostage, because they're his friends. But I think in this case Sakura would be the one angry and yelling at Madara to leave Naruto alone. Madara would take an interest in her especially because she's being super defensive of Naruto, and logically decide that out of the three Sakura would make the most personal hostage.

He takes Sakura to that realm he trapped Sasuke in - thus allowing Sakura to confront Sasuke like she intended to, ironically - then run away, leaving Kiba and Sai alone to go back and tell Naruto that Sakura's been kidnapped.

I assume Madara would want to purposely leave Kiba and Sai alive so that they could be the messengers.

When Naruto finds Madara, Sasuke and Sakura - as well as Karin - will be there too, leading to a full on Team 7 confrontation.

...Or at least that's how my fanfic would go

[ciardha]

Heehee, sounds a lot like fanfiction

Everything sounds reasonable, except for one thing you said:



Naruto would come if anyone was Madara's hostage, because they're his friends. But I think in this case Sakura would be the one angry and yelling at Madara to leave Naruto alone. Madara would take an interest in her especially because she's being super defensive of Naruto, and logically decide that out of the three Sakura would make the most personal hostage.

Ah did a little shorthand there, I figured Sakura would be shouting stuff that showed she was the most personal hostage. Yeah Lee, Kiba and Sai would be left alive to be the messengers of Sakura being taken hostage, if they didn't die of their injuries before someone found them, which I'm sure Kishimoto wouldn't let happen.

[James S Cassidy]

You know, I don;t care what happens so long as Naruto and Sakura get a kissing scene.

Kishi, you better put that in there somewhere.

That is what I think will be the deciding factor. Who will Naruto kiss if he had to choose?

We know Naruto is going to fight Madara and Sasuke at some point and we know Naruto will win.

[Merger Knight]

So, Sasuke hurts Sakura, Naruto finally opens his eyes, and... Well, the rest is up to Kishi.

So, what do you think? Plausible?

Is Sasuke that far gone that he would do that to her?

[Froot]

Well, no, I guess not... Especially not since he tried to already.

[ciardha]

Is Sasuke that far gone that he would do that to her?

Yeah he is. Remember what he said about making people hurt like he does in connection with the people of Konoha? He's got the same attitude as Pain with even less sanity- nothing even about a twisted belief that it would get people to stop killing each other for a while, it's all about the hatred and revenge for Sasuke. He'll lash out at anyone who stands in his way as well. I don't think he'll kill her in the end, but injure her, quite likely.

[Froot]

I don't think he'll kill her in the end, but injure her, quite likely.

I agree. I really doubt Kishi would let her be killed by Sasuke. Though, if she were killed by anyone, Sasuke would be the best choice, because important characters should only be killed by other important characters. IMO.

[Verilance]

Every once in awhile while reading arguments i hear the old maxim that Hinata was created first and they use the original drawing of her with naruto in the background as evidence that they are destined for each other.

My question....

since I don't know where else to put it (I have asked this of Hinata fans but have never gotten a good answer)

Does anyone know the source of this belief or is it just something someone made up and it has grown from there

I don't even have a good source for the picture though i am sure it is familiar to some of you here

Hinata in a dress with Naruto far in the background facing the other way

If anyone could provide an creditable source for the Hinata fans belief I would be greatful.

Edited by Verilance, 10 November 2009 - 10:16 PM.

[Miss Soupy]

I've seen this mentioned too, though I don't think people really try to say it proves NH (tho I may be wrong o.O )

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This is taken from the NaruHina ship-manifest on lj.

This drawing can be found on page 241 of the databook, in the section dedicated to the designs Kishimoto was working on before releasing the manga. Notice that while Hinata is the clearly center of the drawing, we see Naruto in the background looking towards the Sun (Hyuuga = Towards the sun), and if it wasn't enough, the Sun and the pendant hanging on Hinata's necklace have the same spiral design Naruto has on his back. Perhaps Kishimoto had them bonded to each other from before starting the manga?

Basically it's just a lot of speculation.

[RyrineaHaruno]

Does anyone know the source of this belief or is it just something someone made up and it has grown from there

She wasn't created first, its just a belief that someone made up ectt and it grow from their. I find it funny that Hinata fans think she was created first, before the main Hero .

[Verilance]

well of course it wasn't before Naruto because Naruto was created before naruto if you have read the original one shot that has nothing to do with the current story at all except for Demon foxes and Uzumaki Naruto you will understand what I mean

by first i meant after Naruto and before sakura and sasuke

Edited by Verilance, 10 November 2009 - 11:34 PM.

[Hopestar]

She wasn't created first, its just a belief that someone made up ectt and it grow from their. I find it funny that Hinata fans think she was created first, before the main Hero .

They are sadlt deseparate for anything espeically since Sakura confess to Naruto

About Sakura being hostage, true Naruto will save any of his friends whom in danger. However saving your friend and lover are two complete difference, since the lover is a personal issue and Naruto won't let that go. He already lost Sasuke (his best friend) and he'll be damn if he lose Sakura (his love). That's both teammates Madara have incustody except one is pure dark (possibly evil) and the other may be doom for certain death.

[Merger Knight]

They are sadlt deseparate for anything espeically since Sakura confess to Naruto

some people

[Derock]

I've seen this mentioned too, though I don't think people really try to say it proves NH (tho I may be wrong o.O )

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I don't know why they keep using that picture. I remembered hearing back then that Hinata wasn't originally suppose to be a ninja, at all and as a very minor character (not sure about that snippet). And I believed that the design was made way before he introduced her (in between when the manga just started, somewhere right after Bell Test). Editors had to approve him during that process.

[Miss Soupy]

I don't know why they keep using that picture. I remembered hearing back then that Hinata wasn't originally suppose to be a ninja, at all and as a very minor character (not sure about that snippet). And I believed that the design was made way before he introduced her (in between when the manga just started, somewhere right after Bell Test). Editors had to approve him during that process.

Yeah, I don't see how this proves anything. All it shows is kishimoto was in the developing stage...characters change with the story. His first idea for Naruto was not the manga we are reading today. In the pilot chapter for Bleach, Kubo had Orihime die at the hands of her hollow father. Did it actually happen in the real manga? No.

And please, how is her necklace the same spiral as Naruto's

[RyrineaHaruno]

They are sadlt deseparate for anything espeically since Sakura confess to Naruto

Some people are so desperate for anything.