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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:01 PM

Well, in order for that to happen, they need to climb the mountain and be on equal level. Sadly, they are either too much in denial to climb or have no climbing equipment with them. So pushing me off is impossible.

But they could cause an avalanche.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:02 PM

Yeah the idea that Sakura no longer seeks anything romantic from sasuke is most plausible. Didnt Kishi even say Sakura's love for him is bad?


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:05 PM

Like I asked before, ladies, tell me if you were Sakura and you had this crush on this guy who ended up doing everything to push you away and nearly attempted to kill you. Would you still want him? In a real life situation, would you still want him?

The answer to that is an obvious, "NO!", but the situation is different for Sakura than it is for any of us. While she's supposed to be the most realistic character, she is still fictional, and therefore everything about her can be taken to the extreme - including her feelings. Heck, that goes for any of the characters in the series. Let's look at Sasuke. He represents the kind of guy that a lot of adolescent, naiive, and inexperienced girls fall for, (i.e. the "cool kid"), but how many of those guys in real life would go crazy and try to kill everyone for the sake of revenge? He's also been taken to the extreme for the sake of storytelling, and like you said, the reason for Sakura not moving on from him yet is also for that same reason.

 

Eventually, something will make her realize that he's never been the person that she thought he was. The stepping stones for her to come to that realization have already been laid out. The Summit arc didn't make her stop loving Sasuke, however, (as we see in #540), it did make her realize that he's not the same person anymore. She knows that, and I'm sure that will be touched on again shortly. That's when we will see a resolution to her feelings.

 

It's been said over and over again, Sasuke is the last hurdle for both Sakura and Naruto. That means any resolution to their development with him is going to come at the end, because that's good storytelling. Also, love is a complicated thing both in real life and in fiction. If you truly love someone, you can't just snap your fingers and make your feelings go away. They stick with you until you can heal, sometimes even longer than that, and there's no telling how long that can take someone. In that sense, I think Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke are also realistic.

 

My Personal Experience

It wasn't until I met my current boyfriend, (Capn Banjo  :love:  :smug: ), that I was able to completely let go of it all. Should I have been over it long before that? Probably, but I couldn't control how I felt. So I don't feel frustrated with Sakura at all for still loving Sasuke after everything he's done to her. Remember, Kishimoto is able to go to extremes with both how Sasuke treats her and how she feels about him. Sasuke's murder attempt to her might be as bad as my ex sleeping with my friends was to me. (It was bad, but not bad enough to whisk my feelings away.)

 

Give her time to come to her own conclusions about him, and to move on from it. Eventually, she'll see that Sasuke isn't the guy she thought he was, and that Naruto has been there for her all along.

 

I have great confidence in that. :smile:


Edited by Slextrem, 03 June 2013 - 09:09 PM.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:36 PM

 

It's been said over and over again, Sasuke is the last hurdle for both Sakura and Naruto. That means any resolution to their development with him is going to come at the end, because that's good storytelling. Also, love is a complicated thing both in real life and in fiction. If you truly love someone, you can't just snap your fingers and make your feelings go away. They stick with you until you can heal, sometimes even longer than that, and there's no telling how long that can take someone. In that sense, I think Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke are also realistic.

 

 

 

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I am someone who never really thought that Sakura still 'loving' Sasuke is too unrealistic. It is of course head-banging, ridiculous, and maddening. I don't really see it as bad writing as opposed to a terrible terrible character flaw on Sakura's part, but I believe in Kishi's writing skills enough for him to resolve it in the end. These are feelings we saw she shouldn't have, and she knows she shouldn't have them either, but she does. I think if we were to be able to ask her why she still likes Sasuke she would would say I don't know. She's avoiding that question, or at least dwelling on it. I think that is pretty realistic in a sense. But this is manga, and not real life, so the situation is dramatized. Yes, Sasuke tried to kill her, but this is a world where young kids learn how to kill, and probably do kill starting at 12 (or younger!). She also tried to kill him too. I guess that can't really be translated into real life.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:43 PM

Sakura and Sasuke tried to kill each other. Sasusaku hint. XD
Well I except Sakura's feelings to be resolved after they defeat the juubi, if theres a break before Naruto and Sasuke. Or at the end of the manga.

Edited by sakurx, 03 June 2013 - 09:46 PM.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:48 PM

The answer to that is an obvious, "NO!", but the situation is different for Sakura than it is for any of us. While she's supposed to be the most realistic character, she is still fictional, and therefore everything about her can be taken to the extreme - including her feelings. Heck, that goes for any of the characters in the series. Let's look at Sasuke. He represents the kind of guy that a lot of adolescent, naiive, and inexperienced girls fall for, (i.e. the "cool kid"), but how many of those guys in real life would go crazy and try to kill everyone for the sake of revenge? He's also been taken to the extreme for the sake of storytelling, and like you said, the reason for Sakura not moving on from him yet is also for that same reason.

 

Eventually, something will make her realize that he's never been the person that she thought he was. The stepping stones for her to come to that realization have already been laid out. The Summit arc didn't make her stop loving Sasuke, however, (as we see in #540), it did make her realize that he's not the same person anymore. She knows that, and I'm sure that will be touched on again shortly. That's when we will see a resolution to her feelings.

 

It's been said over and over again, Sasuke is the last hurdle for both Sakura and Naruto. That means any resolution to their development with him is going to come at the end, because that's good storytelling. Also, love is a complicated thing both in real life and in fiction. If you truly love someone, you can't just snap your fingers and make your feelings go away. They stick with you until you can heal, sometimes even longer than that, and there's no telling how long that can take someone. In that sense, I think Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke are also realistic.

 

My Personal Experience

It wasn't until I met my current boyfriend, (Capn Banjo  :love:  :smug: ), that I was able to completely let go of it all. Should I have been over it long before that? Probably, but I couldn't control how I felt. So I don't feel frustrated with Sakura at all for still loving Sasuke after everything he's done to her. Remember, Kishimoto is able to go to extremes with both how Sasuke treats her and how she feels about him. Sasuke's murder attempt to her might be as bad as my ex sleeping with my friends was to me. (It was bad, but not bad enough to whisk my feelings away.)

 

Give her time to come to her own conclusions about him, and to move on from it. Eventually, she'll see that Sasuke isn't the guy she thought he was, and that Naruto has been there for her all along.

 

I have great confidence in that. :smile:

ahhh ;-; I agree with everything you just said. And I'm happy you found someone  that makes you happy like that.  :hug:


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 09:56 PM

ahhh ;-; I agree with everything you just said. And I'm happy you found someone  that makes you happy like that.  :hug:

Thank you! :snuggle:



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 10:03 PM

I think some people are misinterpreting the point of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. You may not recognize what she's going through literally, but if you remember what kind of world/society they live in, you can relate to her situation if you place it in the real world.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 10:39 PM

The answer to that is an obvious, "NO!", but the situation is different for Sakura than it is for any of us. While she's supposed to be the most realistic character, she is still fictional, and therefore everything about her can be taken to the extreme - including her feelings. Heck, that goes for any of the characters in the series. Let's look at Sasuke. He represents the kind of guy that a lot of adolescent, naiive, and inexperienced girls fall for, (i.e. the "cool kid"), but how many of those guys in real life would go crazy and try to kill everyone for the sake of revenge? He's also been taken to the extreme for the sake of storytelling, and like you said, the reason for Sakura not moving on from him yet is also for that same reason.
 
Eventually, something will make her realize that he's never been the person that she thought he was. The stepping stones for her to come to that realization have already been laid out. The Summit arc didn't make her stop loving Sasuke, however, (as we see in #540), it did make her realize that he's not the same person anymore. She knows that, and I'm sure that will be touched on again shortly. That's when we will see a resolution to her feelings.
 
It's been said over and over again, Sasuke is the last hurdle for both Sakura and Naruto. That means any resolution to their development with him is going to come at the end, because that's good storytelling. Also, love is a complicated thing both in real life and in fiction. If you truly love someone, you can't just snap your fingers and make your feelings go away. They stick with you until you can heal, sometimes even longer than that, and there's no telling how long that can take someone. In that sense, I think Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke are also realistic.
 

My Personal Experience

It wasn't until I met my current boyfriend, (Capn Banjo  :love:  :smug: ), that I was able to completely let go of it all. Should I have been over it long before that? Probably, but I couldn't control how I felt. So I don't feel frustrated with Sakura at all for still loving Sasuke after everything he's done to her. Remember, Kishimoto is able to go to extremes with both how Sasuke treats her and how she feels about him. Sasuke's murder attempt to her might be as bad as my ex sleeping with my friends was to me. (It was bad, but not bad enough to whisk my feelings away.)
 
Give her time to come to her own conclusions about him, and to move on from it. Eventually, she'll see that Sasuke isn't the guy she thought he was, and that Naruto has been there for her all along.
 
I have great confidence in that. :smile:

Reading this really does feel sad but in the end I'm happy to hear you fond someone worthy of your affection.
 
Now speaking about Naruto this isn't something I will use to justify Sakura's behavior, in NF I read stuff where the user say that they were in love with a criminal but the excuse is actually an excuse to justify SS in contrast to why you believe SS is wrong but you do understand Sakura, honestly to my believe one wrong does not justify another wrong, in Sakura's case after the murder attempt she should be thinking about her relationship with Sasuke sometime I clearly believe she is doing at this moment just that Kishi does not feel is the right time to show to the readers.
 Also you need to remember that with Sakura there are instant where she is complemented by others praised by her elders and loved by someone she respect, admirer, deeply care about, somehow feels attracted maybe not in a non romantic way, she would throw away her happiness for him and he is consider a hero plus like you Sakura and Sasuke never have any kind of intimated relationship to begging with, SS is more like a childish crush that became a life goal with out it being encourage by the other side, so your example cannot be compared with this example because the guy you always look up to was nice with you but after he got your attention he showed you his real color so in a sense your experience is similar to what happen with Jennifer Lopez in a movie named Enough, where you started a relationship based on a false image but after having such a negative moment it was hard for you to get over because you wanted so much to have his attention and perhaps there was a moment with him or something you might saw in him that you were hopping he returned to. but Luckily for you there is a GOD in this World and he pointed you over a new love interest one who could truly make you happy and love you for who you was.
 
 
Anyway apart from trying to make a point, I'm really sorry that you went through such a rough time in your life.
And sorry about the way i reply I still don't know how to use spoilers or split replies.


Edited by Don-kun, 03 June 2013 - 10:51 PM.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 10:42 PM

So when SS ends, what should I expect people in here to react? I wasn't awake when chapter 631 was released, so I don't know what to imagine.

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 10:54 PM

I think I'll be very relieved. NH is out of the game, SS will be soon and when it is NS can get moments at any time. There will be no limit anymore, because Kishi has finally given the fans his answer by the time.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:00 PM

So when SS ends, what should I expect people in here to react? I wasn't awake when chapter 631 was released, so I don't know what to imagine.

People yelling cannon, people talking about how the other fandoms are reacting, and waiting for the reviews.



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:01 PM

I think some people are misinterpreting the point of Sakura's feelings for Sasuke. You may not recognize what she's going through literally, but if you remember what kind of world/society they live in, you can relate to her situation if you place it in the real world.

It's not the same Sakura never had a relationship with Sasuke or a moment where both of them acknowledge to each other that they fell the same way about each other but because of life circumstances (revenge) the love they develop for each other could not flourish in the right way, or there was never a moment where Sasuke encourage her love towards him, I was nice to her a few times but most of the times he was a jerk in addition there was never a Charauke in Sakura's like.

 

So when SS ends, what should I expect people in here to react? I wasn't awake when chapter 631 was released, so I don't know what to imagine.

I will say.  Thank god it's finally over. :fu:


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:06 PM

It's not the same Sakura never had a relationship with Sasuke or a moment where both of them acknowledge to each other that they fell the same way about each other but because of life circumstances (revenge) the love they develop for each other could not flourish in the right way, or there was never a moment where Sasuke encourage her love towards him, I was nice to her a few times but most of the times he was a jerk in addition there was never a Charauke in Sakura's like.

You say it's not the same because they were never in a relationship? Women have liked the cool guys who have treated them like dirt, women have been in a relationship with guys who have treated them like dirt. Both scenarios occurs irl every day.


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:15 PM

 

I will say.  Thank god it's finally over. :fu:

Same here, for as long as it's been going on it will be a relief when it's all over.

 

Also I feel ashamed for this but... when NS is canon I am going to brag like there is no tomorrow  :hehehe:



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:15 PM

Nice to see these answers. Well I was wondering because I noticed chapter 631 caused chaos. I mean even our podcast started off with "We are the champion" song. So whatever chapter ends SS, I can't imagine how this place will go, let alone it may crash. I wonder how NF would react. Anyway, let's just enjoy the manga, shall we?

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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:18 PM

You say it's not the same because they were never in a relationship? Women have liked the cool guys who have treated them like dirt, women have been in a relationship with guys who have treated them like dirt. Both scenarios occurs irl every day.

 

Where I come from women's give the cool guy there meddle finger when he act all cool, girl like ghetto guys and rich boys someone who usually pursue them, not all culture are the same but like in you post you said women have been in a relationship with guys who have treated them like dirt but when they don't have one the women's who like guys who treat them like dirt always haves a limit, SS by past that limit a long time ago. Even SasuNaru because Sasuke almost killed him if it wasn't for Kurama, all I can say is that Kishi really has a mess up idea of what real friendship should be.
 

 

@zatheko

 

I would not go that far, I will enjoy the pairing, will be ten no 100  times more happy than 631 and to a selective group of maybe 8 users on NF I will tell them, I told you, over and over you are not Kishimoto that argument about Sakura will never love Naruto was only crap, now will you stop pretending to be Kishimoto and become a fan again?


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:18 PM

Reading this really does feel sad but in the end I'm happy to hear you fond someone worthy of your affection.
 
Now speaking about Naruto this isn't something I will use to justify Sakura's behavior, in NF I read stuff where the user say that they were in love with a criminal but the excuse is actually an excuse to justify SS in contrast to why you believe SS is wrong but you do understand Sakura, honestly to my believe one wrong does not justify another wrong, in Sakura's case after the murder attempt she should be thinking about her relationship with Sasuke sometime I clearly believe she is doing at this moment just that Kishi does not feel is the right time to show to the readers.
 Also you need to remember that with Sakura there are instant where she is complemented by others praised by her elders and loved by someone she respect, admirer, deeply care about, somehow feels attracted maybe not in a non romantic way, she would throw away her happiness for him and he is consider a hero plus like you Sakura and Sasuke never have any kind of intimated relationship to begging with, SS is more like a childish crush that became a life goal with out it being encourage by the other side, so your example cannot be compared with this example because the guy you always look up to was nice with you but after he got your attention he showed you his real color so in a sense your experience is similar to what happen with Jennifer Lopez in a movie named Enough, where you started a relationship based on a false image but after having such a negative moment it was hard for you to get over because you wanted so much to have his attention and perhaps there was a moment with him or something you might saw in him that you were hopping he returned to. but Luckily for you there is a GOD in this World and he pointed you over a new love interest one who could truly make you happy and love you for who you was.
 
 
Anyway apart from trying to make a point, I'm really sorry that you went through such a rough time in your life.
And sorry about the way i reply I still don't know how to use spoilers or split replies.

Don't feel sorry for me, Don! Like you said, God nudged me in the right direction and now I can be happy. :D  Plus, the experience helped me grow into the person that I am today. Without all of that drama and heartache, I wouldn't have known what kind of person I wanted to be with. I'd still be really naiive and I probably wouldn't have been as interested in Naruto, (I started reading the series seriously to take my mind off of things.) Everything happens for a reason. :wink:

 

Bolded: I think she has been thinking seriously about her relationship with Sasuke since the Summit arc. I mean, we have chapter 540 which shows that she's at least recognized that Sasuke is a different person now than what she thought he was. But, as you said, I'm sure her thoughts are being withheld from us purposely.

 

Yeah, I can't completely relate to Sakura because our situations have some differences, but I think the point still stands. Sometimes it can take a long time to get over your feelings for someone else, no matter how badly they mistreat you. It depends on how strong your love for the other party is and how far you're willing to go for them.

 

I'm sure there are many people that have been through similar experiences, whether they actually dated the other person, or had a long-lasting crush that they couldn't get over. I have a friend that had a crush on someone for six years straight. He had no real interest in her, but he liked to lead her on a lot. (At one point, he asked her to date him because one of his friends dared him to...  :down: ) But regardless of all of that, she stood by him loyally the whole time.



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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:33 PM

Same here, for as long as it's been going on it will be a relief when it's all over.

 

Also I feel ashamed for this but... when NS is canon I am going to brag like there is no tomorrow  :hehehe:

 

I will sing Halleluyah and Joy to the World. :woot:


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Posted 03 June 2013 - 11:34 PM

The answer to that is an obvious, "NO!", but the situation is different for Sakura than it is for any of us. While she's supposed to be the most realistic character, she is still fictional, and therefore everything about her can be taken to the extreme - including her feelings. Heck, that goes for any of the characters in the series. Let's look at Sasuke. He represents the kind of guy that a lot of adolescent, naiive, and inexperienced girls fall for, (i.e. the "cool kid"), but how many of those guys in real life would go crazy and try to kill everyone for the sake of revenge? He's also been taken to the extreme for the sake of storytelling, and like you said, the reason for Sakura not moving on from him yet is also for that same reason.

 

Eventually, something will make her realize that he's never been the person that she thought he was. The stepping stones for her to come to that realization have already been laid out. The Summit arc didn't make her stop loving Sasuke, however, (as we see in #540), it did make her realize that he's not the same person anymore. She knows that, and I'm sure that will be touched on again shortly. That's when we will see a resolution to her feelings.

 

It's been said over and over again, Sasuke is the last hurdle for both Sakura and Naruto. That means any resolution to their development with him is going to come at the end, because that's good storytelling. Also, love is a complicated thing both in real life and in fiction. If you truly love someone, you can't just snap your fingers and make your feelings go away. They stick with you until you can heal, sometimes even longer than that, and there's no telling how long that can take someone. In that sense, I think Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke are also realistic.

 

My Personal Experience

It wasn't until I met my current boyfriend, (Capn Banjo  :love:  :smug: ), that I was able to completely let go of it all. Should I have been over it long before that? Probably, but I couldn't control how I felt. So I don't feel frustrated with Sakura at all for still loving Sasuke after everything he's done to her. Remember, Kishimoto is able to go to extremes with both how Sasuke treats her and how she feels about him. Sasuke's murder attempt to her might be as bad as my ex sleeping with my friends was to me. (It was bad, but not bad enough to whisk my feelings away.)

 

Give her time to come to her own conclusions about him, and to move on from it. Eventually, she'll see that Sasuke isn't the guy she thought he was, and that Naruto has been there for her all along.

 

I have great confidence in that. :smile:

Okay, that's reasonable Slextrem and I respect that, but...let me ask you one more question...

Would you still fangirl him up to that point? I think this is the huge focus I am trying to get here which many seem to ignore. Would you continue to idolize him thinking he is so great? I think this is what people are afraid of and what even now many of you are misinterpreting. It's not about Sakura caring about Sasuke or whether or not she is still in love with him that is the problem. The problem is will she blush around him and idolize him despite everything he has tried to do to her. You can love someone AND not like them. I do. My second GF after my fiance died is a girl who I love, but I don't like her cause she was too...unforgiving.

My second GF was a complete and total....well anyway, she was the kind of girl who hit me, call me names, and blame me for everything. The reason I stayed with her was because I felt no one else wanted me. So, I lived this lie I did for the sake of not being alone. After about 2 years of this I began to get mad at her. I began to avoid her to have a life. She tried to get back at me by cheating on me with three other guys....at one time....in the same bed....you get the idea. Anyway, she ends up blaming me for it and she got herpes...I think. She said it was a joke, but I wasn't laughing. I told straight up that I think the relationship can work, but things have to dramatically change. She didn't want to compromise so I ended up leaving. I was just as devastated.

Sadly, unlike your story, mine does not have a happy ending and it kept getting worse. I fall in love with so many girls only for them to be already taken or not see me that way. And the fact that people kept trying to push me into relationships that I didn't want to be in telling me "You'll get used to it over time." You don't "learn" to love. You just do.

I will always love her, but I know she is a bad person and I know she will never be the person I thought she was. This is how I expect Sakura to feel about Sasuke. She loves him, but she is not in love with him anymore. If she still shows that "in love" emotions, then that will cause problems. Again, it's not the beginning nor the end that worries me. It is the road. How many more bumps will there be? What happens if you try to side-step a pothole only to dive off a cliff.

I am going to put money down that if Sakura has a fangirl moment over Sasuke between now and the end, all of you will hate it and think Sakura's character is ruined. Just look at the small sample people had just from the assumption of it with that one panel.

Is Kishi going to have Sakura fangirl over Sasuke til the very end she doesn't love him anymore? This is the fear some people have and what some people predict. She is going to basically forget, albeit temporarily, for a moment of relapse into part 1 Sakura. I know you will tell me "That's not gonna happen," but this is the fear people are going to have.

This is why again I emphasis that Kishi needs to be very careful with what he depicts and how he chooses to depict it.


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