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[Daidoji_Tangen]

I highly doubt KillerB just being alive will make Raikage want to stop hunting Sasuke. He still walked onto their village's land and kidnapped him for his own goals. That is not something you just let go.

Plus... Sasuke is still there to attack them all!

lol.

Oh. I'm not saying it will. But it will calm him down quite a bit, but he will still be mad. And I believe Sasuke will not b being redeemed anytime soon, just eventually.

I think Naruto will find out from Sasuke Killer Bee is alive and will search for him. And then, Killer Bee will teach him how to master the junchuuriki (I also am guessing, Sasuke will be taking Itachi's eyes during this time because I don't see him succeeded).

[Freakazoid]

I just don't see any possible ways of Sasuke being redeemed. I definatly don't see anyway for it to possibly be the same with him back in the leaf.

[Nee-sama]

I just don't see any possible ways of Sasuke being redeemed. I definatly don't see anyway for it to possibly be the same with him back in the leaf.

Not even if he saves Naruto from death and helps defeat Madara, Danzou, Kabutomaru, AND the bijou-statue in an epic all out megabattle!?

[Dreamer]

I was hoping for some early Monday Morning 460 spoilers because of the break, but it looks like we won't be getting any until tomorrow morning.

[dl316bh]

Not even if he saves Naruto from death and helps defeat Madara, Danzou, Kabutomaru, AND the bijou-statue in an epic all out megabattle!?

Even if he did all that, he still helped things escalate to the point where such a battle was even necessary, so he'd basically be cleaning up his own world threatening mess. He's pretty much gone beyond conventional and logical means of redemption. Key words being conventional and logical; what Kishi ends up deciding to do and what makes sense might not end up being the same thing.

Edited by dl316bh, 17 August 2009 - 02:42 PM.

[Dreamer]

Even if he did all that, he still helped things escalate to the point where such a battle was even necessary, so he'd basically be cleaning up his own world threatening mess. He's pretty much gone beyond conventional and logical means of redemption. Key words being conventional and logical; what Kishi ends up deciding to do and what makes sense might not end up being the same thing.

I agree with you, I don't see Sasuke helping any at all and I'm almost certain Madara's "Eye Of The Moon" plan will succeed with the powerful guy being there himself to make sure of it. (Madara still too strong for Naruto and/or Sasuke to take on at this particular time) Naruto has so much more to learn and experience to end the manga at this particular time. Overall, I think Sasuke becoming a villain and not coming back to Konoha has done more good than harm by making Naruto physically stronger and strengthening others as well.

Overall I think Naruto beating up Sasuke and bringing him back to Konoha would be too predictable and cliche for Kishi to choose that route. I really want to see Sasuke through as a ultimate villian to keep the manga hype going and add more flavor if you could call it to the manga as a whole.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 17 August 2009 - 03:05 PM.

[Freakazoid]

Not even if he saves Naruto from death and helps defeat Madara, Danzou, Kabutomaru, AND the bijou-statue in an epic all out megabattle!?

IF all those things happen, not even then. I'm not saying he can't be redeemed, but you actually think that after all he's done he can just walk back into the Leaf and be all buddy buddy with everyone? Without considering that the rookies are setting out to kill him?

Plus the little note that he just doesn't really care about anyone in the leaf or what happens to them, hell he was even going to destroy them!

[Dreamer]

IF all those things happen, not even then. I'm not saying he can't be redeemed, but you actually think that after all he's done he can just walk back into the Leaf and be all buddy buddy with everyone? Without considering that the rookies are setting out to kill him?

Plus the little note that he just doesn't really care about anyone in the leaf or what happens to them, hell he was even going to destroy them!

Yeah, and also factor in just what Shikamaru said that Cloud would literally start a war with Konoha for protecting such a murderous crock.

[Nate River]

Yeah, and also factor in just what Shikamaru said that Cloud would literally start a war with Konoha for protecting such a murderous crock.

I wouldn't make much of that at all.

It's still Naruto. Shikamaru will eventually be made to see the light just like his father and Inochi were in the last arc.

IF all those things happen, not even then. I'm not saying he can't be redeemed, but you actually think that after all he's done he can just walk back into the Leaf and be all buddy buddy with everyone? Without considering that the rookies are setting out to kill him?

In the universe that is Naruto? Absolutely. It's Naruto. It's Kishimoto. It'll happen. Especially if he does something like Nee-sama described (which I believe he will, at least with Madara). It's also why Danzou is an almost unbearably convenient villain right now. If Sasuke kills him, who will care? And its sets Naruto up to take his place.

Realistically? Yes and no. Could he come back? Yeah. Would things ever be the same between him the rest of the village? Hell No. I'd expect lots of awkardness, doubt, and mistrust floating about for a long time. Not to mention the doubt and likely self-loathing of Sasuke himself. Could Sasuke ever truly feel welcomed in a village that doesn't trust him?

[Daidoji_Tangen]

I agree with Nate's post. I would also add that Naruto is supposed to bring about the revolution which will break the current cycle of revenge their world is caught up in. It wouldn't make sense if he couldn't do it for Sasuke.

[Freakazoid]

I'll just have to respectfully disagree with most of you when it comes to Sasuke's future. Only time will tell, so we'll just have to wait until then.

[dl316bh]

Kishi's kind of written himself into a corner in regards to the whole Sasuke thing. If he plans on bringing Sasuke back to the village, there isn't really a way to believably do it anymore. The best that could work with where the whole thing has gone is a last minute redemption for Sasuke in Naruto's eyes before he dies in battle or if Sasuke redeems himself somewhat to Naruto and just leaves on his own to do whatever.

I don't know. We'll have to see, I guess. Kishi could still swerve everybody; it's when you think you know how a writer operates that they can best sock you with an unpredictable development. Whether he will or not, we'll see in due time.

Edited by dl316bh, 17 August 2009 - 07:13 PM.

[Dreamer]

I wouldn't make much of that at all.

It's still Naruto. Shikamaru will eventually be made to see the light just like his father and Inochi were in the last arc.

In the universe that is Naruto? Absolutely. It's Naruto. It's Kishimoto. It'll happen. Especially if he does something like Nee-sama described (which I believe he will, at least with Madara). It's also why Danzou is an almost unbearably convenient villain right now. If Sasuke kills him, who will care? And its sets Naruto up to take his place.

Like Freakazoid said, I have to respectfully disagree with ya Nate. I think it's Naruto who needs a awakening, Naruto thinks everything is all pink and full of butterflies and his view of peace is one track minded, believes that all can be redeemed which is stupid considering that this is a manga about ninjas (cops have to sometime kill people to). I would be gratefully disappointed if Kishi took his Manga and had everyone going around saying all the murders can be redeemed and all we see is the pink butterflies. Shikamaru is the logical genius of the manga and knows the same kind of peace Naruto is achieving but at the same time he realistically knows that some murders/people can't be redeemed like Sasuke and the other villages will oppose Naruto's way of thinking. (Tsuchikage is already pissed at what Minato did to his ninja's and if he finds out Naruto is his son, the hatred will only continue further regardless.)

The Fire Daiymo would care, which he carries a lot of weight of the whole fire country.

[RedDelicious]

I think it's Naruto who needs a awakening, Naruto thinks everything is all pink and full of butterflies and his view of peace is one track minded, believes that all can be redeemed which is stupid considering that this is a manga about ninjas (cops have to sometime kill people to).

That's pretty much what every bad guy has accused of Naruto, until they realize that he is dedicated and obsessive in his goals. Throughout history, the status quo only changes when you do get unreasonable people who impose their will on the rest of society, instead of "waking up".

I think you are misunderstanding Naruto's view of peace. He was quite violent to Gaara (in Part 1), but stopped once he knew Sakura was safe. The Uchiha clan was slaughtered because they "might" have become a problem; I think Naruto only wants to fight when there is a real problem. So he was willing to take a beating from Karui because she really couldn't harm him seriously, but he smacked down Kakuzu without much hesitation.

Besides, we see in this chapter that Naruto is losing faith in Sasuke. ("Have you really become nothing but a common criminal...? I don't understand you anymore...") He will continue giving Sasuke chances to come back, but I get the feeling he knows in his heart it won't do any good.

[RedDelicious]

Sorry to go off-topic, but did anyone else flash back to Chapter 32?

Sakura, chapter 459
Zabuza, chapter 32

[pharix]

Sorry to go off-topic, but did anyone else flash back to Chapter 32?

Sakura, chapter 459
Zabuza, chapter 32

that's interesting... I wouldn't say it means anything but it could ;o

[Freakazoid]

It's just how Kishimoto shows deep emotion with tears. He's done the same with Naruto and Sasuke.

[Dreamer]

That's pretty much what every bad guy has accused of Naruto, until they realize that he is dedicated and obsessive in his goals. Throughout history, the status quo only changes when you do get unreasonable people who impose their will on the rest of society, instead of "waking up".

I think you are misunderstanding Naruto's view of peace. He was quite violent to Gaara (in Part 1), but stopped once he knew Sakura was safe. The Uchiha clan was slaughtered because they "might" have become a problem; I think Naruto only wants to fight when there is a real problem. So he was willing to take a beating from Karui because she really couldn't harm him seriously, but he smacked down Kakuzu without much hesitation.

Besides, we see in this chapter that Naruto is losing faith in Sasuke. ("Have you really become nothing but a common criminal...? I don't understand you anymore...") He will continue giving Sasuke chances to come back, but I get the feeling he knows in his heart it won't do any good.

One thing you forgot was Naruto didn't know what Jiraiya's goal of bringing peace until part 2 so anything referring back to part 1 had no association related to making Jiraiya's goal/dream come true and theirs no way he could of known what Karui was going to do with him. (We're talking about Naruto "the hyper knuckle headed Ninja" the one who thinks only a second ahead of time compared to Shikamaru who thinks way ahead of time )

Either way, I believe Sakura's talk to Naruto is going to have a big impact in helping not only our fandom pairing but also to help relief/release Naruto's obsession with bringing back Sasuke (which he is obviously willing to die for, thinking it's what Sakura wants. )

Edited by Uzumakikage, 17 August 2009 - 11:49 PM.

[Freakazoid]

In Naruto's current state of thinking nobody will be taking a dose of STFU juice from him for awhile. Crying and preaching peace won't knock sense into Sasuke or anyone else, so he'll have to get past this state of mind before anything can happen.

[RedDelicious]

It's just how Kishimoto shows deep emotion with tears. He's done the same with Naruto and Sasuke.

Not just the tears. The pose, and what they are saying is similar.
Please point out where Naruto and Sasuke have similar panels.

It probably doesn't mean anything, but I do think they are too alike to be coincidence.
(It could be just to reinforce that Sakura already knew that they'd have to take
care of Sasuke, without the speech from Shikamaru.)


Naruto gave Pein another chance to stop. Still dealt out a dose of STFU juice, as you say.
(He didn't deal a similar dose to Nagato, because Nagato was not a threat at that moment, was at his mercy.)