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#201 Derock

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 01:50 AM

QUOTE (racerxdsr @ Apr 2 2009, 09:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just curious,

Do you see any Guile Players out there? I find it funny how people tend to choose the shotos against me when I choose him. He is by far my best fighter and I tend to do pretty well against the shotos with him. Just wondering cause I rarely run into too many Guiles and people who I play when I use guile tend to get upset and call me cheap. I guess all the those days at the arcade learning counters paid off LOL! One thing I noticed since SFII they have made Guile progressively weaker. They haven't so much since the Alpha series but his attacks aren't as powerful as before and made him slightly slower. He used to have a double flash kick with out the EX. I mean almost everyone else has a 2 hit special but oh well. The shotos are too strong if you ask me but they tend to be the favorites of lots of people. Just want to throw my 2 cents into the ring.


I just met a great Guile/all character player at school today. He's a beast with Ryu though because that's his main. He's great with other characters too. I told him, I will challenge him again as soon I have my Gold renew.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 03:36 AM

Current Match Up Chart
note if you don't already know:
Boxer = Balrog
Claw = Vega
Dictator = M.Bison


oh yeah, never go by the Strategy Guide's tier list, its awful as tiers constantly change as the game lives on.

Now with Guile, from what I heard from my friends, and by personal experience, Guile is a relatively solid character considering what he does. Thus a lot of his normal moves revolve around geting around the charge for his moves making for some combos. There is however a problem, its a little harder to go around things as his moves are ONLY charge moves and many other characters have more simplified responses. Then there's Guile's Super and Ultra, the super is near useless, there's no real point in using super meter other than EX and Focus Canceling (which you should be doing anyway), that only leaves his Ultra. The big problem with both is the awkward motion, which there is always was around it so it leads into the second problem, usability. There's not many good ways to combo into Ultra and if your opponent is smart enough, he or she will never jump in on a crouching Guile, in addition if his Ultra whiffs, it becomes increadibly unsafe as he does have his back turned on the opponent, though saying any Ultra is unsafe is an understatement (unless you're Rufus or Cammy).

But Guile in general is a fairly decent character with solid matchups if you know how to play with him.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 04:40 AM

I agree with his super being useless unless you time it right. I've played with Guile since he was first introduced. I can get most moves out when I need to. Overtime you get used to the timing for how long moves take and get a feel for his range. The flash kick has good range not only for areial attacks but ranged ground attacks. It reaches farther than most people think. I found by playing more and more online when and where can pull of the Ultras and Supers. I lick my chops when people get to over zealous with the Dragon Punch and leave theselves open long enough for to execute the super. My only complaint about his super is that it isn't as strong as some others. Ken's can take almost half of your life away, I'm lucky if I even get over a quarter. Guiles has other moves he can use to make up for the charging motion based upon his plain attacks if you know how to use them. Just wish I could play some of you guys to see if I'm still up to par these days. Yeah Guile is my best fighter, I'm not the best by far but I like challenges. On another note, do you guys allow throws? Well I know its allowed but I know when I used to play in the arcades we would not do the normal ground throws but areial throws or special throws were allowed. I'm used to throws now, just always thought it was a cop out when people fell too far behind.

Well just more rambling from me.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:25 PM

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I agree with his super being useless unless you time it right. I've played with Guile since he was first introduced. I can get most moves out when I need to. Overtime you get used to the timing for how long moves take and get a feel for his range. The flash kick has good range not only for areial attacks but ranged ground attacks. It reaches farther than most people think. I found by playing more and more online when and where can pull of the Ultras and Supers. I lick my chops when people get to over zealous with the Dragon Punch and leave theselves open long enough for to execute the super. My only complaint about his super is that it isn't as strong as some others. Ken's can take almost half of your life away, I'm lucky if I even get over a quarter. Guiles has other moves he can use to make up for the charging motion based upon his plain attacks if you know how to use them. Just wish I could play some of you guys to see if I'm still up to par these days. Yeah Guile is my best fighter, I'm not the best by far but I like challenges. On another note, do you guys allow throws? Well I know its allowed but I know when I used to play in the arcades we would not do the normal ground throws but areial throws or special throws were allowed. I'm used to throws now, just always thought it was a cop out when people fell too far behind.

Well just more rambling from me.


To answer your question Racer I'll post a quote used on another site's FAQ list.

But most players seem to believe, "All is fair in love and war, and Street Fighter," and as such throwing or using almost anything else isn't taboo.

That's what I firmly believe and from what I've seen that's pretty much what went down during the H&E tournament. And I played you, you'll be fine. I've been working on my vs. Guile game too btw. ^^;;

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:36 PM

Its cool. Hope we can play again when you feel you are ready. LOL! I'm trying to learn other fighters still rusty and learning their timing and openings. I'm trying to vary my style with Guile, but I've always been an adaptive player and look for patterns in people's style of play. Anyways, hope to see you online so we can test out some stuff!

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:56 PM

I've actually been working on something else. Not ready to unleash it yet, but know I'm in the lab working.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 09:54 PM

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 08:05 AM

The free Championship Mode has been dated! biggrin.gif

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On April 24 (in Japan), Street Fighter IV will get the totally free "Championship Mode" update, bringing unique features to both the PS3 and the Xbox 360.


Replays, it seems, will be viewable cross-platform as well as "replay rankings". However, the PS3 is getting an exclusive voting system that allows players to vote for parts of the fight they thing are "Funny", "Awesome" or "Beautiful".


The Xbox 360, on the other hand, gets a couple interesting functions of its own: On-screen display of input keys and the ability to download replays to any media to the Xbox 360's HDD or memory card and then upload those replays for off-line viewing.


Not sure why both platforms couldn't have these features...


It's likely that we may see the update on the same day for other regions. I'm looking forward to being able to view replays, that'll be awesome for our next SF4 tournament! biggrin.gif

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 01:23 PM

QUOTE (Smiter @ Apr 17 2009, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The free Championship Mode has been dated! biggrin.gif



It's likely that we may see the update on the same day for other regions. I'm looking forward to being able to view replays, that'll be awesome for our next SF4 tournament! biggrin.gif

Which is supposed to be next week >.>

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 01:43 PM

Ok replays are good for us 360 owners (though I will like to have the voting system as well) but what about Dee Jay and T.Hawk as extra characters? And can we change the tournament towards around May? So we can try the update when we get it...

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 03:01 PM

was there ever an official date established for the tourney anyway?

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 03:07 PM

Update! The Championship Mode is indeed going to be worldwide on Friday 24th April. Just in time for the tournament. smile.gif

Here are more details, straight from Capcom:
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Championship Mode, in a nutshell, means hot tournament action and match replays that let you watch the best of the best. Championship Mode goes live for both PS3 and Xbox 360 on Friday, April 24, and it comes entirely FREE.

For anyone that wants more than will fit in a nutshell...

Tournaments:
The tournaments offer a new take on classic SFIV competition. They are broken out into 5 different levels, which means everyone can participate and find a good challenge without getting blown out of the water or bored. You score Grade Points (GP) for tournament wins, and as your GP total grows, you’ll become eligible to enter into more exclusive tournaments. Winning tournaments will also net you Championship Points (CP). The CP work basically like “prize money” up for grabs in the tournament. The higher the GP skill of the players in a particular tournament, the bigger the CP prize!

In true tournament tradition, character selection is double-blind. With the CP purse on the line, you won't be able to see who your opponent has picked until you've both made your choices, and the battle is set to begin.

The tournaments are run according to a standard type of single-elimination bracket, but your opponents are generated dynamically. This means the matching system will automatically match you with a player of your skill level participating in that tournament type, so you don’t have to wait around. Since the tournaments are already seeded by player strength, you’re assured quality opponents at your same skill level, as fast as possible. If you can advance through the rounds to take a top placing, you’ll score GP and CP. As your points increase, you’re eligible for tournaments with increasingly strong opponents.


--SG Championship (SUPER GRADE): 5 rounds long. The highest grade championship in which only top players can participate.
--G1 Championship (GRADE 1):5 rounds long, for advanced players
--G2 Championship (GRADE2 2): 4 rounds long, for intermediate players
--G3 Championship (GRADE3) 3 rounds long, for beginners
--FREE Championship (Free Grade): 4 rounds long, open to anyone regardless of their level.

The tournament system is set up to reward you for participating. At G3, you actually score a point even if you get knocked out in your very first match. At G2, you don’t gain points for a first-round loss, but don’t lose any either. Similarly, you never lose points by participating in the FREE rank tournaments. Only in the top G1 and SG tournaments is it possible to lose GP, and even then you only ever lose 5 points for a first-round loss.

One of the best things about the new mode is that can play in tournaments in just the same way you can use the “arcade request” feature, so you’re free to play in arcade mode while waiting for your next tournament challenger, who will be chosen automatically based on your rank.

Last, but most certainly not least, disconnecters, aka pullers, aka ragequitters, your days are numbered: If you disconnect during a match, the system will also dock you your progress in the tournament, so pullers will never be able to advance into the higher ranks of tournaments. What’s even more fun is that the system also happily displays your disconnect percentage, so if you've got a bad habit, it's right there for everyone to see.


Replays
Replays are generated straight from the Championship Mode tournaments. The top 5000 Championship Point leaders will be given the option to upload a replay, which are then available for anyone to watch. Everyone on both X360 and PS3 will have be able to watch any of the replays on their platform, but there are also some system-specific extra features on the replays:

On PS3, viewers can watch your replay and vote in real time according to characteristics like “beautiful” or “funny.” For the nerds, you can vote once every 30 frames (that’s 2x a second!), although there is a cap to avoid total vote spamming. Replays will be ranked according to the user-submitted reviews, making it easy to find the flavor of replays you want to see.

On X360, you can’t vote on the matches, but you can watch and then save a number of your favorites. While watching your saved matches, you’ll also have the option to turn on input commands (just like the Training Mode option), so you can see the gritty details of exactly what button and joystick inputs the top players are using to win.

And just for good meansure, the full press release is below:

Update to Street Fighter IV: Championship Mode comes free!

Capcom is bringing new options to Street Fighter IV with an eye towards serious players. Street Fighter IV’s Championship Mode update expands on the fighting fun by offering players the chance to compete in tournaments and to watch replays of the best tournament matches. Best of all: it comes to you at no cost! The Championship Mode update will be available for both PS3 and Xbox 360 owners on Friday, April 24 (times TBD).

Championship Mode offers you the chance to compete in 5 different grades of tournaments, creating the right challenge for players of every skill level. You’ll score Grade Points (GP) for tournament wins, and as your GP total grows, you’ll become eligible to enter into more exclusive tournaments. Winning tournaments will also net you Championship Points (CP). CP are like “prize money” up for grabs in the tournament. The higher the GP skill of the players in a particular tournament, the bigger the CP prize!

Replay Mode allows you to select and watch the best Championship Mode tournament matches.

On the PlayStation Network, you can rate matches while you watch according to characteristics such as “awesome” or “funny.” Replays are then ranked based on these vote ratings.

On Xbox Live, instead of rating the matches, you can choose to download and save your favorite replays to study the players’ techniques. You’ll also be able to turn on the input commands from both players to be able to review their button and joystick motions in precise detail.

If I'm reading it right, then replays are limited. sad.gif They can only be generated from Tournament Mode, and only the top 5,000 players can upload them. Oh well. At least Xbox owners can see the button presses of the best players and learn from them.

At least Tournament Mode sounds interesting, and disconnecters get punished! It's a pity you can't create your own tournament, though.

All in all, it's a nice update, but I cannot help but feel disappointed - there was so much potential with tournaments and replays, and they're really limited.

EDIT: NWM's right - I've looked around, but I can't see any posts regarding next week's tournament. Is anyone organising the tournament and brackets?

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 05:04 PM

I honestly thought it was going to be in May.

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Posted 17 April 2009 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (Smiter @ Apr 17 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
EDIT: NWM's right - I've looked around, but I can't see any posts regarding next week's tournament. Is anyone organising the tournament and brackets?


We planned for next week but there was no announcement. I rather want the tournament on May, so I can have a full 3 months. (And get my butt back into training).

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 05:02 PM

So how is everyone doing on the Championship version. I find it humbling at times. LOL! But I finally made to G2 and its tough. Just curious how everyone else is doing? or your thoughts so far. The Replays are nice so you can see different styles and I find battling different characters refreshing. But at the G2 level everyone is on their game. People exploit openings like crazy! Anyway just wondering how everyone else is fairing.

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Smiter @ Apr 17 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
EDIT: NWM's right - I've looked around, but I can't see any posts regarding next week's tournament. Is anyone organising the tournament and brackets?

All tournament discussions are in this thread:

http://www.narusaku....?showtopic=8488

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 05:41 PM

QUOTE (Sakura Blossoms @ Apr 28 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All tournament discussions are in this thread:

http://www.narusaku....?showtopic=8488


Wasn't talking about a tournament. Just curious if anyone is playing the new update with addition of the Championship mode and their thoughts. The different Tier/Grades make things interesting now. As I said I just got to G2 level and its tough. Just curious. biggrin.gif

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 05:42 PM

QUOTE (racerxdsr @ Apr 28 2009, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wasn't talking about a tournament. Just curious if anyone is playing the new update with addition of the Championship mode and their thoughts. The different Tier/Grades make things interesting now. As I said I just got to G2 level and its tough. Just curious. biggrin.gif

And...I wasn't talking to you XD;
My post was in reply to Smiter's post ^^

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 05:45 PM

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And...I wasn't talking to you XD;
My post was in reply to Smiter's post ^^


Sorry my BAD!

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Posted 28 April 2009 - 05:48 PM

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Sorry my BAD!

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