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#201 luffyq1

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:03 PM

 

It wasn't a degression; it's a simply evolution of the story. She wasn't going to save Sasuke and she knew she couldn't. Her main role from there on was to believe in Naruto.

 

But please, go on about how it is my problem that this rather simple progression of the story doesn't exist; then use it to laugh at Sakura.

Whether she knew she couldn't save Sasuke sure didn't stop her from at least attempting to try. Now it's just crying and pleading, which is a worse sight then actually attempting to bring him back by force as she has claimed many times.

 

It is a degression. I don't understand how you failed to see that.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:05 PM

After all the times Sasuke has tried to kill her and Naruto Sakura still loves Sasuke. What a joke.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:06 PM

After all the times Sasuke has tried to kill her and Naruto Sakura still loves Sasuke. What a joke.

It is a joke. I just learned to accept the joke.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:07 PM

At the beginning there when Naruto reaffirms his allegiance to the tailed beasts, you can definitely see the revulsion in that closeup panel of Sasuke's eye. But the manner in which his eyelid is almost completely shut, as if he were poring over Naruto's physical expression and posturing to look for any hints of uncertainty, there might have been some disappointment masked beneath the harshness of his stare. Sasuke resents Naruto because of his symbolical image as the counterforce to his ambitions, the one great nag that's always threatened his notions of superiority over everyone else. It's because of his arrogance and spite that I find his expression so odd. He already knows the psyche of his opponent, yet it's possible that some part of him might have been hoping against hope that Naruto would somehow agree with the justifications he's made to his actions; that this battle may not be fought and his once close friend can choose to die a "noble death" for the greater good of Sasuke's revolution. Or maybe this is just looking too deep for a glimmer of ambiguity in Sasuke's warmongering. 
 
The meat and potatoes of this chapter was Sakura's outburst. She's so determined to find goodness, any semblance of goodness in Sasuke, so she can salvage what's left of the bond that they had when they were still together on Team 7 - that in spite of her sensible mind telling her that this personal war of ideas was unavoidable, trying to talk him down was always a fruitless effort on her part. It's tragic, but also necessary for Sakura to better understand that the life she envisioned for herself with Sasuke is a falsehood that never held any truths. Even Sasuke's openly acknowledged this fact, in the most candid way possible, and he's one of the farthest things from love and healthy companionship in this manga besides the simple villains like Hidan, Kakuzu and Gato.
 
I might despise the insensitive, grating manner of Sasuke's reaction to her pleas (especially when he taunted her with that infamous quote he made in Part 1 which has probably haunted some backdoor area of her mind all this time), but I won't deny that he had a point. There's absolutely no reason for her to still be harbouring the same feelings that she did when she was 12. Her attractions were conceived on a foundation of superficiality and the desire for acknowledgement from someone when she's been ridiculed for her appearance and weaknesses. She already has more recognition for her power than what anyone else will likely ever receive in their lifetime, and I doubt anyone who isn't childish or vain would criticise her for such petty standards like the size of her forehead (RtN Hinata might be petty enough to do that, however).
 
A lot of people will consider this unloosening of deep-seeded regrets to be just a boring, damaging sequel to Sakura's confession from Part 1, but I argue that it's not quite the same. If you closely examine her words, she's trying to appeal to his better nature, first and foremost. There's some personalisation, true, but the gist of what I read is an effort to prevent Sasuke from committing another crime and extending the laundry list of offences he's made against the world. Oh, and how can we overlook the interesting use of past tense when conversation comes around to the issue of personal feelings. 
 
"But I still loved you!"
"And the only reason was because she loved so much that it hurt!"
 
It's not a definitive change of feelings. Some of the other quotes that detailed her wish to be by Sasuke's side and readdressing the flawed reasons for her attraction are ambiguous enough that they could be twisted around to mean that her romantic feelings are the same (they could try to draw a comparison with #633 Hinata's quote of wanting to remain next to Naruto). However, Sasuke's lack of empathy for her internal chaos is consistent. Kakashi's intervention is also what sets this moment apart. He challenged him by reinforcing the sincerity of Sakura's wishes. Challenging Sasuke to express a reaction allowed the readers to wangle a deeper meaning to Sasuke's psyche. There's a denial to put himself out there or to embrace emotional attachments of any kind. It parallels what Naruto said in the Kage Summit arc. 
 
Kakashi and Naruto' s quotes mirroring each other


What's interesting is Sasuke's mental image of his family after Kakashi made his statement. It's unlikely that he harboured any romantic feelings for his parents or brother. Then during Hagoromo's speech, a visual parallel is made between Sakura and Madara. The love Sasuke and Madara had was platonic in nature. Does this imply that Sakura's interests in Sasuke have devolved into a close-knit bond of friendship only? I would say that there's a part of her that's still romantically driven, but all of the signs are pointing to a shift in her romantic priorities. Hell! Ino's grief when listening to her father's dying message about a positive love is proof enough that Sakura is not the only one with unrequited feelings that continue to linger. This chapter shows that Sasuke has as much love for her as he does for Ino. And what are the odds for SasuIno becoming the OTP?

Feelings aside, I'm amazed at how quick Naruto and Sasuke got to the Valley of the End. Isn't this war taking place in the Land of Lightning? How the hell did they travel across a span of three countries in just a few pages worth of dialogue? And why is Naruto referring to the VotE like it's an old get away location for them whenever they felt like beating each other senseless in good sport? Naruto fought Sasuke at the valley only once before, and it was on rotten terms. Once again, Naruto's fanciful naivety gets the better of him.

Edited by Atheck, 25 September 2014 - 12:22 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:08 PM

Sakura: "I still LOVED you!"

Kakashi: "Sakura really WANTED to save you...this whole time..."

Kakashi: "And the only reason WAS because she LOVED you  so much that it hurts"

 

honestly the context is pretty clear, at least to me.... Everything is all in the past tense... She wants to save him now because she loved him that she cannot leave him go... It's her duty.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:08 PM

I have a feeling Kishi is done wish Sakura's character. We won't be getting anything.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:09 PM

I predict, sakura will get a stab.....FOR REAL.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:09 PM

I know that this chapter made a lot of NS members depressed and dissapointed, including myself...

BUT what really makes NS as good as it is.. its not the pairing itself,but the members in this forum...

So, lets stay true to our ship and support it even more!!

 

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:10 PM

I have a feeling Kishi is done wish Sakura's character. We won't be getting anything.

Yup. It's Naruto and Sasuke from here on out. Nothing else matters except their bond, unfortunately.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:11 PM

SS

 

... oh ...  :twitch:


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:11 PM

Whether she knew she couldn't save Sasuke sure didn't stop her from at least attempting to try. Now it's just crying and pleading, which is a worse sight then actually attempting to bring him back by force as she has claimed many times.

 

It is a degression. I don't understand how you failed to see that.

 

"Bring him back by force"? No, strapping Sasuke down in a chair is not going to change anything. Especially now that he's been given so many powerups, or that he has learned that it was the very village he grew up in that orchestrated the massacre of his entire clan.

 

Calling it a degression to justify you mocking/ bashing Sakura isn't really proving me wrong. Sorry.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:11 PM

I know that this chapter made a lot of NS members depressed and dissapointed, including myself...

BUT what really makes NS as good as it is.. its not the pairing itself,but the members in this forum...

So, lets stay true to our ship and support it even more!!

 

:grouphug:  :grouphug:  :grouphug:

Yeah.I am a little disappointed with this chapter.Sakura also didnt have a word for Naruto....



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:12 PM

Ic an't believe how dense some people here are (and I'm sorry to say that).

"What does it matter that it's written in past tense?" 
REALLY?!

You know what the definition of past tense is?!

The simple past tense indicates that an activity or situation began and ended at a particular time in the past.

 

began and ENDED. ENDED ENDED IN THE PAST.

 

You also know the definition of past is?

 

"gone by in time and no longer existing."

 

So STOP with such stupid statements! It's okay to think that SS is not entirely dead, but PLEASE, use your brain a little while writing such stuff! It's really embarrasing that I even have to point something like that out!
 


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:12 PM

I don't undestand some people sometimes... What would do you expect ? That Sakura hates Sasuke? That is a BS and you know very well. Sasuke is part of Sakura's characterization.. It isn't a deal of love here.. Whether is love or not, Sakura feels to have the duty to save him. She isn't fargirling or whatever here, she isn't declaring again (she just reaffirmed her love at that time) to him...She just want to stop Sasuke from going against Naruto. And she was talking about the team seven, not as couple.

Oh that is what they want just from what I am seeing at least as that is how half the people on this site are acting right now that or they have no idea that loved is a past tense.

 

 

Some people on this read seriously have invested too much time into their sasusaku insecurities that they won't be ever satisfied, unless Sakura is seen screaming that she personally wants to rip Sasuke's throat out.

No they will no which is sad really meaning the ones who clam to be Sakura fans and know so much about her fail to see that this is all part of her character, its what makes her who she is, and people are not seeing this after all she knows that she can't fight Sasuke and she is doing the next best thing, as she is just so tired of all this fighting. 



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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:12 PM

This chapter was anti SS/Sakura/NS.

Kishi will continue to kitten on Salura's character. Really after all this time all you can do is cry to Sasuke. This past tense thing is crap and you guys know it. Let's not be illogical here, Sakura continued to plead for Sasuke to stay. Sakura should have been done with him.

How can NS become something with out a giant asspull on Sakura's part?

This chapter was bad for NS just as much as it was for SS.

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:12 PM

Yup. It's Naruto and Sasuke from here on out. Nothing else matters except their bond, unfortunately.

 

Naruto and Sasuke will be back on the battlefield. Sakura will see that Sasuke turned to good side.He will thank Naruto but then Sasuke will kiss her and asks her the forgiviness. Together will back to Konoha, Sasuke and Sakura will have a date, he gives her a necklace and says "I love only 2 women in my life: My moher, and you of course..."

 

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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:13 PM

After all the times Sasuke has tried to kill her and Naruto Sakura still loves Sasuke. What a joke.

 

After all this time the manga has emphasized love overcoming hatred and people still don't understand this. What a joke.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:13 PM

@Atheck Absolutely fantastic post. This was a great read and I agree with almost everything you said.


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:14 PM

I want the OVA to happen now.

Please. 


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Posted 25 September 2014 - 12:14 PM

Reading the comments really kittened me up. 

 

When I read the chapter, it seemed to me that Sakura was giving her last ditched efforts to stop the fight, kind of like in part 1 when Sasuke left.. It felt obvious to me that she expressed her past love for him and that the old Sasuke is who she loved. She wants things back to what used to be of team 7. I don't think she loves Sasuke like she used to, but she cares. To me, she was expressing her old feelings and I think this chapter resolves them. 

 

Pretty much a reenactment of part 1 when Sasuke leaves. 

Sasuke made it clear that he has no feelings for her.

 

I'm hoping after this chapter Sakura will accept that it's not meant to be (her and Sasuke romantically).

 

I also got the vibe from Naruto. If Sakura was confessing current love, Naruto would've had some what of a reaction... heartbreak even. The Naruto we know would've been sad about it and maybe even jealous of Sasuke, but he seemed pretty fine. As if he knows Sasuke has no chance anymore. He then brings up his POAL all confident-like. I mean, he did say he can't confess to Sakura until he keeps his promises. I'm sure Narusaku will work out. 

 

Sakura isn't all that different from Naruto. Naruto has been holding on to his POAL and Sakura has been holding onto her old feelings for Sasuke, which both link together. (Not sure where I was going here lol)


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