502 replies to this topic

[narusaku256]

 
I don't think Sakura is that "gaga" over him at all. We're not anymore in the 5 first chapters.
Also, I think Kishi gave us a LOT of material that should help us to understand that SasuSaku will never happen.
Or else I'm completely dumb.

You are not dumb. You just fail to understand where we come from. But anyways, I repeat myself again. We are NOT worried about SS. We are worried about him ruining Sakura's character again, atleast that's the case with me!!!! Its Kishi in here. We already know NS is the end game. But the way things have went in previous chapter and currently, it is NOT good! He has missed many moments both for NS developments and Sakura's individual development as well. So how can we get an assurance that this is a set up for Sakura's development over Sasuke. The wake up scene was supposed to open many many things. Did we get one? No. The way Kishi had portrayed Sakura during Naruto's near death was beyond extraordinary. That was the actual time when I fell in love with her, for real. But the present mangas....they just don't fit in. There is no real assurance that what Kishi is planning on is Sakura getting over Sasuke for one last time. That doesn't need to showed but still if he wants to go that way....I'm fine with it as long as he acts on it. The Sakura, few mangas back, was not the Sakura we know! The Sakura we know is the strong, intelligent, extraordinary, talented, caring, kind, independant, level headed and super beautiful kunoichi and what not. I just don't want anyone to ruin her.

I apologize if I came off as rude and arrogant brat. I meant no insult to you at all. In case I've done so, I earnestly apologize for it

Edited by narusaku256, 09 July 2014 - 03:49 PM.

[Luna]

In order for Sakura to get resolution Naruto cannot be there. He's just going to stand up for her as good as that is she needs to stand on her own against Sasuke.

[James S Cassidy]

Byakugan. You can trick it.

 

OK chapter, nice cliffhanger.

 

I just don't care, because..where is One Piece? I didn't know there was a break this week.

I suspect Naruto used a similar trick he used against Neji.

This has nothing to do with Byakugan. You don't need the Byakugan to notice that sort of detail visually. If the black orbs are ONLY on the original, then no matter how many clones Naruto makes you can tell the original from the clones just by the circling black orbs. It would be an obvious giveaway.

You don't need a Byakugan to notice that.

The way everything is set up and if this black orb thing is true, then the original Naruto never moved at all. The original naruto is still yards away standing still because you don't see the Naruto with black orbs for a good several panels only for it to disappear again.

So going by the logic, the Original stood in place yards away until she opened the vortex, instantly "teleported" to the Vortex opening because we see the black orbs around him going up into the vortex only to back out within the last millisecond and send several clones in instead with the original disappearing out of sight completly.




 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think it's possible that Naruto (real) probably clash to Obito and Sakura while going to portal and perhaps strategized for them to split up and good luck on it. My guess.

[narusaku256]

I think...the real Naruto has already found Sasuke and is with him. Why give a panel saying "I can definately sense Sasuke clearly" and almost in the next panel have him enter a portal!

[James S Cassidy]

I think it's possible that Naruto (real) probably clash to Obito and Sakura while going to portal and perhaps strategized for them to split up and good luck on it. My guess.

I don't know. That's why this is so confusing and why relying on the black orbs only confuses things more rather than helps because now you have to take so many other things into the situation that, to me, seem impossible even for Naruto's standards.

It's either a very clever trickery or a very cheap lazy writing tactic to set something up. Like I said, the black orbs could be convience rather than practicality. We do see the original's black orbs disappear from scene to scene as well and sometimes it is not because they are gone, but rather because the scene would look way too complicated  to draw that or that they would abstruct the view if they were drawn in.

And just so  I can show off an example of times when it is nit a  clone and no orbs were drawn. Look here

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/682/7

Not only is it the original, but no black orbs are drawn and there is nothing obstructing the orbs from view. So, like I said, it is not a good indicator.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 09 July 2014 - 04:12 PM.

[Otaru]

You are not dumb. You just fail to understand where we come from. But anyways, I repeat myself again. We are NOT worried about SS. We are worried about him ruining Sakura's character again, atleast that's the case with me!!!! Its Kishi in here. We already know NS is the end game. But the way things have went in previous chapter and currently, it is NOT good! He has missed many moments both for NS developments and Sakura's individual development as well. So how can we get an assurance that this is a set up for Sakura's development over Sasuke. The wake up scene was supposed to open many many things. Did we get one? No. The way Kishi had portrayed Sakura during Naruto's near death was beyond extraordinary. That was the actual time when I fell in love with her, for real. But the present mangas....they just don't fit in. There is no real assurance that what Kishi is planning on is Sakura getting over Sasuke for one last time. That doesn't need to showed but still if he wants to go that way....I'm fine with it as long as he acts on it. The Sakura, few mangas back, was not the Sakura we know! The Sakura we know is the strong, intelligent, extraordinary, talented, caring, kind, independant, level headed and super beautiful kunoichi and what not. I just don't want anyone to ruin her.

I apologize if I came off as rude and arrogant brat. I meant no insult to you at all. In case I've done so, I earnestly apologize for it

 

I think people are disappointed because they set their mind around one idea, and if they don't get it, they get disappointed. Who said we were supposed to get a NaruSaku scene during the wake up scene ? It was only in readers' minds. Kishimoto thought about his story differently. IMO, Kishi is keeping this for later.

Why saying he "missed" many scenes ? He's doing the scenes he wants to. The "missed" ones are only in the disappointed readers' minds. This manga is a shonen to begin with. It's not all about romance. So it's just logical that there are not that much romantic scenes. If this manga was a shojo, then it would be totally different and much more deep when it comes to romantic scenes.
/// although I don't really like that gender differentiation, because it's like men don't like sentimental things and it's almost reserved for women. LOL In real life, men are lacking those things often, and maybe it's because of the setting up that's coming from the society, books, films. It's always the same stereotypes.

Sakura alone with Sasuke and getting closure with him would not harm her character at all.
Kishi is just doing as he wants.

 

He never wanted to ruin his characters.

That's just the opinion of some readers that are disappointed because they waited for more or something different.

Edited by Otaru, 09 July 2014 - 04:11 PM.

[FireFox]

In order for Sakura to get resolution Naruto cannot be there. He's just going to stand up for her as good as that is she needs to stand on her own against Sasuke.

This has nothing to do with resolution it isn't headed that way there is no set up that points this out . Why is it needed for her to stand up for her to have a resolution what's the difference its not like Sasuke didn't insult her a thousand times till now how much more is it needed ? Isn't her interaction with Sasuke before enough for her to come to the conclusion ? Why is exactly this interaction needed when she had so many more with him before this where he treated like kitten ?  All she needs for a resolution with the chapters we got is a simple monologue that says that she doesn't love him anymore not this ,

 

This is what hurts NS development and Sakura's character the most Kishi is keeping this for to long and I can't say that he's going that way now so I don't know how is a SS interaction  when she's about to save his ass any good . I mean what do you expect for her to help him and for him to insult her again ? I don't think its going that way .

[Inferno180]

Because its too confusing, how about this, wait until next week cause its more trouble and puzzling to figure it out right now to try and imagine how it happened. We will get an explanation next week, theres no getting by the point it was a clone kagyua took out and by other means, naruto himself is still in the ice world. Sakura and Obito are in the nexus/desert world to get Sasukes ass back in the fight.

[TacticalFox88]

At least Kishi hasn't taken any breaks.

 

kitten I'd be so pissed right now. 

[narusaku256]

 
I think people are disappointed because they set their mind around one idea, and if they don't get it, they get disappointed. Who said we were supposed to get a NaruSaku scene during the wake up scene ? It was only in readers' minds. Kishimoto thought about his story differently. IMO, Kishi is keeping this for later.
Why saying he "missed" many scenes ? He's doing the scenes he wants to. The "missed" ones are only in the disappointed readers' minds. This manga is a shonen to begin with. It's not all about romance. So it's just logical that there are not that much romantic scenes.

Sakura alone with Sasuke and getting closure with him would not harm her character at all.
Kishi is just doing as he wants.
 
He never wanted to ruin his characters.
That's just the opinion of some readers that are disappointed because they waited for more or something different.

Okay. So do you feel it is right to harm Sakura's character now and make her come to a realization that Sasuke doesn't care for her when it was as clear as crystal when he attempted a murder at her, that to two times!?

Agree with the part about the wake up scene you said. I apologize for that.

Edited by narusaku256, 09 July 2014 - 04:16 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't know. That's why this is so confusing and why relying on the black orbs only confuses things more rather than helps because now you have to take so many other things into the situation that, to me, seem impossible even for Naruto's standards.

It's either a very clever trickery or a very cheap lazy writing tactic to set something up. Like I said, the black orbs could be convience rather than practicality. We do see the original's black orbs disappear from scene to scene as well and sometimes it is not because they are gone, but rather because the scene would look way too complicated  to draw that or that they would abstruct the view if they were drawn in.
 

I understand. Though I think pulling a fast one would be like how, if my memory recall correctly, Detective Conan used to do. Or was it scooby doo...? Like you know how we trying to figure it out, but the problem is we never gotten any clue, so when it was time to solve, the protagonist just shout out clues while solving. It's like "wow, I wish I knew that earlier." I don't think that's the case here, rather we have to wait for next week.

[Otaru]

I modified my post while you were quoting it. If you want to read.

 

Okay. So do you feel it is right to harm Sakura's character now and make her come to a realization that Sasuke doesn't care for her when it was as clear as crystal when he attempted a murder her, that to two times!?

Agree with the part about the wake up scene you said. I apologize for that.

 

I personally don't think Kishi is harming Sakura's character at all. I'm actually tired of everyone thinking that way... but meh...

Edited by Otaru, 09 July 2014 - 04:17 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I modified my post while you were quoting it. If you want to read.
 
 
I personally don't think Kishi is harming Sakura's character at all. I'm actually tired of everyone thinking that way... but meh...

Time will tell, my friend.

Well, you guys officially killed my phone battery life. Time to recharge.

[James S Cassidy]

I understand. Though I think pulling a fast one would be like how, if my memory recall correctly, Detective Conan used to do. Or was it scooby doo...? Like you know how we trying to figure it out, but the problem is we never gotten any clue, so when it was time to solve, the protagonist just shout out clues while solving. It's like "wow, I wish I knew that earlier." I don't think that's the case here, rather we have to wait for next week.

Yeah. Obviously it is a trick of some kind and no doubt it is. I am just saying the black orb thing is not reliable enough as I shown there are times when even the original is not drawn with the black orbs all the time.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 09 July 2014 - 04:22 PM.

[Zoey]

So there;re 5 dimensions, thats good to know! the 1st dimension is the one Obito and Sakura are in

2nd: Lava

3rd: Ice

4th: Desert

5th: Water? that'd be cool 

 

Kaguya and BZ are up to something else "that thing" as he calls it, i think thats where the kages come in play. Im seriously confused as to where Naruto is now. He said, in his mind, that the real him followed Kaguya but it wasn't him that got a hole in his stomach? How come if he's there Obito and Sakura don't know it? What about Kakashi? how would he know if Obito and Sakura made it? bah this chapter is a mess. 

 

Also about the Sakura/Sasuke thing, it doesn't bother me at all, girl needs her closure with him. And if people think she's just going to  hate ignore Sasuke they don't know Sakura. She's a kind girl, she'll always want to be his friend. 

[James S Cassidy]

So there;re 5 dimensions, thats good to know! the 1st dimension is the one Obito and Sakura are in

2nd: Lava

3rd: Ice

4th: Desert

5th: Water? that'd be cool 

 

Kaguya and BZ are up to something else "that thing" as he calls it, i think thats where the kages come in play. Im seriously confused as to where Naruto is now. He said, in his mind, that the real him followed Kaguya but it wasn't him that got a hole in his stomach? How come if he's there Obito and Sakura don't know it? What about Kakashi? how would he know if Obito and Sakura made it? bah this chapter is a mess. 

 

Also about the Sakura/Sasuke thing, it doesn't bother me at all, girl needs her closure with him. And if people think she's just going to  hate ignore Sasuke they don't know Sakura. She's a kind girl, she'll always want to be his friend. 

Even more so this chapter even proved more that BZ is also not telling the whole truth. Seems my theory about Black Zetsu and Kaguya is actually not that far off.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 09 July 2014 - 04:32 PM.

[narusaku256]

I modified my post while you were quoting it. If you want to read.
 
 
I personally don't think Kishi is harming Sakura's character at all. I'm actually tired of everyone thinking that way... but meh...

Not harming? Okay if that's what you believe in. To each their own, I guess. I won't force my opinions on you.

I'll make it more simpler and short. If Kishi is planning on giving a closure to Sasuke from Sakura's end, I am more than happy for it. But that does not seem to be the case. Everytime, what we predict is different and what happens is different. And that is why I am having a hard time believing that the plot is meant to give a closure to Sasuke from Sakura's end and not some bull crap like some mangas back. I personally, do not mind Sakura and Sasuke's interactions, though of course I hate em, they are inevitable. So I am okay with it. I don't like how Kishi plays with her character. And that is why I am explaining my resentment over it. I don't want her to hate him or anything like that. Just not downgrading her character like in some previous mangas is what I wish for. That's it

Edit: I don't mind Sakura being alone with Sasuke as well. But when I know that this guy is gonna ruin her again, that's why I resent this idea

Edited by narusaku256, 09 July 2014 - 04:39 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Well, don't have much to say about this chapter. I guess it was nice to see Naruto fighting Kaguya on his own and strategizing on how best to get the upper hand on her, but I still don't feel the least bit investing in this fight, with the whole OP-ness of it all.

 

I don't feel like wasting energy worrying about what may or may not happen if Sakura ends up "alone" with Sasuke (with half-dead Obito tagging along), maybe it will help bring her another step closer to closure. I don't know. I don't expect she'll get to do anything too significant at the current time either. The most would be just lending Obito chakra and I guess it's something, but I can't say it's anything to write home about. Oh well.

[Inferno180]

This has nothing to do with resolution it isn't headed that way there is no set up that points this out . Why is it needed for her to stand up for her to have a resolution what's the difference its not like Sasuke didn't insult her a thousand times till now how much more is it needed ? Isn't her interaction with Sasuke before enough for her to come to the conclusion ? Why is exactly this interaction needed when she had so many more with him before this where he treated like kitten ?  All she needs for a resolution with the chapters we got is a simple monologue that says that she doesn't love him anymore not this ,

 

This is what hurts NS development and Sakura's character the most Kishi is keeping this for to long and I can't say that he's going that way now so I don't know how is a SS interaction  when she's about to save his ass any good . I mean what do you expect for her to help him and for him to insult her again ? I don't think its going that way .

 

Well there will be resolution its just that it most likely wont be what SS fans are hoping for. I mean the recent stuff in the war, not trusting him, this negativity, sasuke admitting he wouldn't have protected them unless they were close to naruto, this isn't going to just vanish and make him say sorry after all this otherwise it becomes a case of why bother? I mean the whole notion of SS still makes me vomit when the land of iron event where he tried to kill her just becomes a case of a bad point in their relationship. Its just ludicrous and stupid. I mean kakashi said she doesn't love him like she used too but somehow fans think it became more than love which just puts more questions, conflicting questions and more holes into SS than before and doesnt even address in anyway the per-present SS problems before 675.

 

I mean to some fans sakura not loving sasuke is impossible when it makes much more sense in that she is falling out of love with him, she is moving beyond and thats just the notion of it, I mean this makes sense when put with hints of kushinas own foreshadow and 631 recently, hell its a proven fact sakura has a better relationship with naruto so why is the most developed to end at just friendship? Its something they never consider. The only thing SS fans are counting on is a sponteneous 180 turn with Sasuke to suddenly just start being all open and friendly when this stuff is not going to happen, this whole deal of unnecessary mentality, unneeded development, this pointless turn in sasuke, it would put him OOC and just cause so many issues its frightening that fans actually think this does the story justice it doesn't, it puts Sasuke OOC for the most unnecessary reasons, he didnt love anyone then theres no point in suddenly introducing it now, and its just counter productive to sakuras development. Whats the point of her development if everything expect this has not changed in some way completely different from the start? To some SS fans its a world ending event if sakura ever came to love naruto when throughout this manga, the most development, most constant, and positive has already been between naruto and sakura, theres no questions here, sakura gets along better with naruto so how can SS even come when its still seen as negative and why do fans just assume all these get bypassed? This is the same kitten they tell themselves with Sasuke secretly loving Sakura when it doesn't exist. Even if Sasuke in the coming chapters apologized, it would be like NH in 615 making the same mistake, one moment cannot make up for the extreme lack of other stuff all these years.

 

Literally both NH and SS make the aspect of love as a complicated emotion too far, NH makes it too simple because well she always liked naruto but SS makes it just too twisted and irrational, just completely stupid and absurd, I mean the author for SS has never even shown any points of it being positive, any progressive reasons for sakura having this crush, its been shown to make her mistrust the one she "loves" and the negativity recently doesn't help, and espcially when other pairings like NS get hints and the more positive development, what purpose, what resolution, what meaning could possibly exist, what could the author even try to do to make SS come and somehow show it as positive when its been seen as a negative factor for so long? Simple answer, there isn't, because if kishi is serious with SS then he did an even worse job with trying to bring NH at this point, not only is SS worse than NH, its not even less developed its just declined in even being positive, its been shown as something negative since 484 and it certainly has not improved with 540 making sakura saddened, it has not improved with 635 and her mistrusting him, it doesnt look better at all with 676, 678, and 680 all showing these constant degrees of negativity, topping it all off is the he didnt act to save her or kakashi from either the lava or on purpose from the genjutsu and in this upcoming meeting if its just sakura with obito to sasuke, that somehow some apology or sudden turnaround should happen? God dammed no, it doesnt make any sense.

 

If kishi did do this, it only makes SS even worse off, its like we had seen this as negative for so long now its supposed to be "good and ideal?" This is what SS fans are expecting basically, it breaks the logic and does just so much jumbling with the story, its a freaking mess. This is all SS is, a freaking mess that just has to end. For anyone to say 675 made Sakura love sasuke more after all this, espcially the few things we saw after 675, its even less likely she loves him more, this makes no sense, but for a ship thats been under the most constant fire in recent chapters, the one with the most negativity, fans will be desperate to protect their beliefs and hopes and purely expect the impossible to happen, but its not likely, SS is otherwise fading as a love and it may be past that point of no return.

 

As much as they hate it, SS is more or less done for. Nothing will change this, its just character development, if this means Sakura maturing past her ideal crush of sasuke and only seeing him as a friend, it was just something to happen at any point from years before after all we had seen with the negativity. She will forgive and be friends with him, but not love him because SS just hasn't even occured, its had hardly any existence in this manga aside from sakura just loving him, but at that point, this solves nothing so what should logically happen? This changes and it will. Sakura is continuing the change in regards to both him and naruto and well, its again no suprise if she goes towards naruto cause NS has the most development and hints, its no surprise at this point if SS just dies and the coming meeting is just a neutral or negative response on her again from sasuke.

 

If SS was to happen, then this negativity would not exist, but it exists for a reason and SS fans can ignore it all they want but its not going to help their case when the realization comes in that she doesnt love him anymore and 675 was the start of that, its just going to occur in a slow pace until she otherwise more or less loves naruto, its just character development. If they dont like it, well its their problem, and when SS gets its on screen death as no longer love, the same type of flip out will occur like NH fans did with 631 yelling at the author for being "stupid" and "making asspulls" or "trolling" when like 631 as we said before many times our reasons, others laughed and then raged and then this new divided stupdity view on the sakura-kushina event not being important or hinata being like either of the parents emerged, NH fans kept contradicting each other and their former views on 504 all because this fell on sakura, not hinata.

 

SS fans seem to have the idea that Sasuke is full of an inner love for others, that he is harboring feelings for sakura just never seen before, well if this was true we would have seen them by now. Otherwise SS fans are already living in fanfiction with no point of returning because the story is near its end, sakura is changed and still is like naruto and sasuke and in regards to them she still is. She supports naruto more than sasuke despite not loving naruto. I always find it funny how SS fans never consider this. Its just too late for SS though, it cannot be canon at this point, otherwise by all means it has been rendered impossible and unbelievable and just well if it were too occur, it would be a complete mess.

 

Theres no point to it anymore besides Sakura getting over her older feelings, nothing complicated here. Its just character development and this is just that character arc where she may more or less more beyond her old love of sasuke and otherwise to something else, aka naruto, the one she has supported and really cares for, the one she has been supporting more, hell she wants to see him become hokage, she supports naruto more than sasuke again, what exactly does she support sasuke on? Yeah we are done here, SS by all means is falling to death and no longer as love, its just character development and if fans dont like the fact that sakura changes and theres no point of this stuff existing on sasuke, thats their problem.

Edited by Inferno180, 09 July 2014 - 05:17 PM.