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[Silent Storm]

Funny how the chapter that people expected to strengthen SS did more to damage it.

 

Good chapter.

[narusaku256]

Guys, the translation of the second panel of Sakura's feelings on www.onemanga.me says, "No matter what happens, you just CAN'T THROW SASUKE TO THE WAYSIDE....and still think its your duty to save him from darkness". Is onemanga right here because it really ends all the ambiguity between love and friendship/camaraderie.

[咲耶姫]

Guys, the translation of the second panel of Sakura's feelings on www.onemanga.me says, "No matter what happens, you just CAN'T THROW SASUKE TO THE WAYSIDE....and still think its your duty to save him from darkness". Is onemanga right here because it really ends all the ambiguity between love and friendship/camaraderie.

You have to wait until friday. We need the raw to say which one is correct. but I wouldn't be surprised if it was just some biased translation (the MS one)

Edited by 咲耶姫, 07 May 2014 - 10:46 AM.

[narusaku256]

You have to wait until friday. We need the raw to say which one is correct. but I wouldn't be surprised if it was just some biased translation (the MS one)

Can you please elaborate the last line?

[Inferno180]

May I say something? I said it on few pages back. I think Kishi does this on purpose... We are all wondering the same thing ever since he started doing it when he healed Shika and all that.
Hence why I think it's a pattern used by him for what's about to come.

I know ramenestsu was disappointed but if I should interject, remember how medical ninjutsu cannot exactly regenerate an organ?

There's a difference between healing and outright regenerating an entire organ or body part from nothing,nespcially one that's been gone for years, I mean dan died because if some traumatic wound to his abdomin, and tsunade couldn't regenerate the organ itself. Even as experienced as she is, I bet she cannot recreate something out of nothing. Even then I wouldn't count naruto as a sudden medic, he didn't heal a wound, he placed an eye, there is a difference. But also look at it like this, if naruto has auto healing via kuramas chakra, and if sakura could call in a small porition if katsuyu to continually heal the 4 of them while fighting, either opinion renders sakura capable to fight if they have a healer upon them.

[LadyGT]

Can you please elaborate the last line?

Mangastream usually twists all the dialogues that are narusaku related and it's usually biased towards naruhina and sasusaku.

Edited by LadyGT, 07 May 2014 - 10:52 AM.

[narusaku256]

I know ramenestsu was disappointed but if I should interject, remember how medical ninjutsu cannot exactly regenerate an organ?

There's a difference between healing and outright regenerating an entire organ or body part from nothing,nespcially one that's been gone for years, I mean dan died because if some traumatic wound to his abdomin, and tsunade couldn't regenerate the organ itself. Even as experienced as she is, I bet she cannot recreate something out of nothing. Even then I wouldn't count naruto as a sudden medic, he didn't heal a wound, he placed an eye, there is a difference. But also look at it like this, if naruto has auto healing via kuramas chakra, and if sakura could call in a small porition if katsuyu to continually heal the 4 of them while fighting, either opinion renders sakura capable to fight if they have a healer upon them.

Creation of something out of nothing....that reminds me of how the SO6P created the bijuus. I mean splitting the chakra then creating something from nothing and giving them material form. Is it something like that?

[六道仙人]

now that Sakura has the supreme love towards Sasuke, I guess that Naruto can become a couple

[James S Cassidy]

Why is it that when it comes to NS, a lot of fandoms think that Sakura can easily friendzone Naruto, but when it comes to SS or NH it has to be true love? See, this to me is my biggest issue with this. All my NS friends agree that Sakura could easily friendzone Naruto, but she hasn't. Meanwhile, NS and SS fans continue to think that there is no way in hell that Naruto can only see Hinata as a friend or that Sasuke has no feelings for Sakura at all.

Their logic:
Sasuke MUST love Sakura. No exceptions

Naruto MUST love Hinata. No exceptions.

 

It just amazes me. Why can't Sakura just care about Sasuke as just a friend? It is very possible for a person to care about another without it being true love. Otherwise I guess Naruto is in love with everybody with that kind of logic.I see Sakura as only caring about Sasuke now as an old friend and doesn't want to give up on him continuing being that friend. Naruto is the exact same way and also refuses to give up on Sasuke. it doesn't mean Naruto is also in love with Sasuke....though to me it seems Naruto cares more about Sasuke than Sakura does with all the Sasuke belly-aching he has exhibited.

Speaking of which, what about Karin? Again, Karin is madly in love with Sasuke, but people keep forgetting that part. If that means anything, then shouldn't Sasuke go with Karin?

Edited by James S Cassidy, 07 May 2014 - 11:03 AM.

[Gravenimage]

It doesn't matter whether SS fans are denying the truth and saying the opposite that what Kakashi said was pro SS and anti NS. I'm sure a Japanese middle schooler can interpret what Kakashi meant, or rather what Kishimoto is telling the reader. "Sakura has moved on from Sasuke but she's still cares for him as a friend". There that's it the fandom can twist the words to fit their own liking it won't change a damn thing of the truth and that is SS has been friendzoned period.

[咲耶姫]

Can you please elaborate the last line?

It wouldn't be the first time a mangastream translation (the same as the one you gave) would be biased towards SS or NH (but never NS ironically). 

[TouKen4Life3g]

I heard MS didn't help at all.

[narusaku256]

It wouldn't be the first time a mangastream translation (the same as the one you gave) would be biased towards SS or NH (but never NS ironically). 

But in here, it favored NS. As in it completely ended the ambiguity saying that her feelings for Sasuke have changed but she just cannot sidetrack him because he was a member Team 7 and their friend meaning she cares for Sasuke as a friend! I guess, I'll still wait for the raw though.

Edited by narusaku256, 07 May 2014 - 11:07 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I know ramenestsu was disappointed but if I should interject, remember how medical ninjutsu cannot exactly regenerate an organ?

There's a difference between healing and outright regenerating an entire organ or body part from nothing,nespcially one that's been gone for years, I mean dan died because if some traumatic wound to his abdomin, and tsunade couldn't regenerate the organ itself. Even as experienced as she is, I bet she cannot recreate something out of nothing. Even then I wouldn't count naruto as a sudden medic, he didn't heal a wound, he placed an eye, there is a difference. But also look at it like this, if naruto has auto healing via kuramas chakra, and if sakura could call in a small porition if katsuyu to continually heal the 4 of them while fighting, either opinion renders sakura capable to fight if they have a healer upon them.

She was cut in half, blew logic up.

[FireFox]

SS IS DEAD ITS FREAKING DEAD FINALLY!!!! 

And god the reading comprehension of the SS  , They will never learn I mean come on really you think her feelings for him changed and became stronger after he left with no progression what so ever ? When form then on all SS got negative development and her feelings grew even stronger after that ?

 

I also loved how casual Naruto & Sakura were and completely ignored Sasuke hahah not to mention Sasuke ignoring Sakura also she comes back and instead of asking her from where she came from he ask Kakashi instead he doesn't even bother with her .

 

The Madara Rin was obvious not surprised much about that but Naruto's power up just WTH is it ? Is it creating life like when Obito at kage summit was explaining  you know like the SO6P gave life to the bijuu's ?  

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 07 May 2014 - 11:14 AM.

[Chatte]

I think Kishi made the translation so onto point that they couldn't twist it in any way! Speaking about MS...

[六道仙人]

It's me o Sakura blushed a little when Naruto appeared? It could be scrapes anyway.

 

What the hell... So confused. Wait so what happens now? Grabbing the bells? Team 7? Hold on I'm gonna go read the chapter again. I came here first then noticed there was already 200+ posts, haha

 

the key word here is: team work

Edited by 六道仙人, 07 May 2014 - 11:29 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think Kishi made the translation so onto point that they couldn't twist it in any way! Speaking about MS...

Honestly, you're right. Why else the forum sectio in NF is closed down? Anyway, it appears that you were right all this time. I read it about 3-4 times and it really does come that way, no matter what. If you feel that it's ambiguous, have it your way but really, it's what we all said. It doesn't help that Naruto and Sakura got the most interaction without dealing with "we must do this or else" talk. So it's a poor job if you go with "stronger than love" crap.

[Inferno180]

Well this still begs the question, what will shift Sakura to loving Naruto? I mean its true her feelings for Sasuke have changed, its been apparent for years. I always speculated that Sakura would end being friends with Sasuke, not loving him just by means of character development. Now it seems it may come closer to reality. I think the deal is though, perhaps whatever Sasukes goal is, when we get closer to this point and Naruto and Sasuke fight, perhaps again, this will be the time NS has the chance to take off, either before or after the final fight. I mean it could otherwise be obvious, if Sasuke really intends to become hokage, his goal would be as we expect, counter productive to naruto, and as hinted by itachi (in conjuction with sasukes reasoning to be hokage said in 631), Naruto knows the right reasons to be hokage, Sasuke doesnt, and its no suprise Sakura would be supporting naruto in this case after seeing 663.

 

In my opinion, this whole event did state one clear thing, that team 7 has changed, they have grown up. Naruto is set on becoming hokage, Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are definity different (as much as some people dont want to admit it, they have changed so its not outright love as they thought) and sasuke has a new goal. This event doesnt render other stuff like what sakura gave on her views of sasuke when Sai asked her, she didnt trust sasuke. Given Kakashis question of his new goal, Sakura's question about becoming hokage to him is one in which she simply wants a confirmation of what his real deal is. Otherwise, its again the NS side of me speaking but honestly, even now almost a year later, nothing has come to counter the Sakura-Kushina deal, I mean if its a foreshadow, its still in play ahead and just waiting to be used when the time is right. Otherwise the past few chapters had shown that Sakura supported naruto when he needed it most and she was willing to overexhaust herself just so naruto could live and become hokage. Now that Sakura is out of danger after this chapter, I feel she is safe more or less, Naruto and Sasuke are the solution to this battle, they win together, Sakura and Kakashi may otherwise have a limited role. But really at this point because the battle is starting and kakashi's view of how team 7 changed, while narutos is the same more or less, his input on Sasuke will be seen after this arc while his input on sakura, how her feelings for sasuke have changed and are now a different feeling, its perfectly reasonable to say that this could entail something else in the future. Even then its easy to say, this in conjuction with 635, Sakura is otherwise neutral to him, she has feelings for him as kakashi said she isnt going to just abandon him, its more like the same view naruto has towards sasuke and she feels its her duty to save him from darkness (but naruto will do that), but she also doesnt trust him as Sai said. Going with the Kakashi's statement, its easist to say, her feelings for him have changed but she isnt going to push him aside because she still believes he is a friend that can be redeemed but the whole aspect of loving him however, that has changed. So she still cares for him as a friend at least given the prior statement of her feelings being different, and this is such a simple answer, if she started loving him, as in ideal love, then after all these events, if it was ideal love then it obiously couldnt have become real mature mutual love given sasuke doesnt care and has caused a lot of crap, it has to be something else, aka friendship perhaps?

[James S Cassidy]

Honestly, you're right. Why else the forum sectio in NF is closed down? Anyway, it appears that you were right all this time. I read it about 3-4 times and it really does come that way, no matter what. If you feel that it's ambiguous, have it your way but really, it's what we all said. It doesn't help that Naruto and Sakura got the most interaction without dealing with "we must do this or else" talk. So it's a poor job if you go with "stronger than love" crap.

 

Why are people saying there is a stage beyond love in the first place? You are either in love or you aren't. If Part 1 Sakura said that she was in love with Sasuke and now she has changed, then there is only one answer.

This is even further backed up by the fact that Kakashi thought of the very scene where Sakura admits that Sasuke was her dream and it was her ambition to be with him in part 1. If that change now in part 2, then it is obvious that it means she doesn't love him anymore, but merely cares about him.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 07 May 2014 - 12:03 PM.