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[Master_Naruto]

@narusakuforlife1667-
Like what was said earlier, I think it's a very big possibility that Minato's arms will regenerate because he's in sage mode and nature energy is flowing through him negating the juubi jinchuriki ninjutsu that stops edo tensei recovery.

[Namaenash]

Regarding the reference to folklore, I think Kishi certainly borrow few ideas to enrich Naruto's storyline. But, I believe in no ways he made Naruto's story to follow exactly the folklore. People familiar with Jiraiya Gōketsu Monogatari will understand what I am talking about...

for the chapter itself, I think it's another build up chapter. When Sakura saw Madara arrived for the first time, I can't help but think that she's indirectly know the condition of Hashirama, Tobirama and probably Sasuke. These are the group of people fighting Madara, or were situated close to him. There's no exact proof for what I am saying, so, just take it with a grain of salt..

my point is, she might have known indirectly regarding Sasuke's condition -she's a smart girl, naturally she could have deduced that Hashirama, Tobirama (and hence Sasuke) failed to stop Madara when he showed up in front of them... So, people speculating what Sakura's reaction if she knows Sasuke condition is implicitly answered in this chapter. It doesn't matter if she knew, right now her focus is Naruto. Even if she knew, as I assume based on this chapter, she wouldn't left Naruto behind. She's made her choice.

[FireFox]

It's odd because how did we obtain the false information in the first place? It's like if we can't read Japanese, they can make up a story. This goes to everyone, not just NH fans. It's...odd.

I know what you mean , it's the same case with SS altering interviews the DB she filed his lonely existence which tuned out to be false and that cover with Sasuke saying he abandoned "love" meaning Sakura       :lmao:i believe this cover was debunked here , anyway they will try to convince you in something which they have no proof for it as the absolute truth in order to convince themselves that their paring has any chance of becoming canon and that is pathetic , that's why i was asking for more proof about that SS mythology crap in the first place to see how much of this is true not that i think that SS has any chance of being canon going by that theory which it turns out to be full with inconsistency plus this mythology was never presented in the manga,heck there are theories based on Japanese mythology that fit more for SK and SH than this one with SS . I have said this a plenty of times for me NH/SS are dead since 631 and i'm just waiting for NS to become canon and how is Kishi's gonna do that that's all .

 

But yeah i wonder how did we let this false informations pass through us , or maybe someone did debunked them but then again weren't loud enough to pass them through since that's how NH and SS operates , i guess that's the only advantage they have of being the majority since they can pass false informations in no time and before you know it almost everyone believes they will be canon , it's the same problem i have with sites like Naruto Wiki or MangaStream translations . 

 

I'm just gonna repost what I posted some times ago, this are the translations of the Hinata drawing NarutoFireFox posted above: 

 

 

Fixed that for you    .

[shadow_Uzumaki]

 

Damn it, you beat me to this...... Kudos to you.

[TyranntX]

Turns out that girl is related to some SS japanese mythology theory. We are doomed.

 no were not. just watch, We are going to see even more NS build up. I'm pretty sure NH has been buried completely at this point.  in short... I think NS just called checkmate.

 

Yeah, it's one big buildup. Granted, there are others, but NS is in with them. Something tells me something big is coming.

 

do I hear NS's wedding bells?

Edited by TyranntX, 21 February 2014 - 02:01 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Regarding the reference to folklore, I think Kishi certainly borrow few ideas to enrich Naruto's storyline. But, I believe in no ways he made Naruto's story to follow exactly the folklore. People familiar with Jiraiya Gōketsu Monogatari will understand what I am talking about...

for the chapter itself, I think it's another build up chapter. When Sakura saw Madara arrived for the first time, I can't help but think that she's indirectly know the condition of Hashirama, Tobirama and probably Sasuke. These are the group of people fighting Madara, or were situated close to him. There's no exact proof for what I am saying, so, just take it with a grain of salt..

my point is, she might have known indirectly regarding Sasuke's condition -she's a smart girl, naturally she could have deduced that Hashirama, Tobirama (and hence Sasuke) failed to stop Madara when he showed up in front of them... So, people speculating what Sakura's reaction if she knows Sasuke condition is implicitly answered in this chapter. It doesn't matter if she knew, right now her focus is Naruto. Even if she knew, as I assume based on this chapter, she wouldn't left Naruto behind. She's made her choice.

There's a lot of tales that was put into Naruto's universe on which conflict with each other, i think he borrowed those to build his own plot and Naruto's world, much like how Martin borrow the dragon's thing and etc...
Kishi didnt created it from nothing.

[sushi.]

Regarding the reference to folklore, I think Kishi certainly borrow few ideas to enrich Naruto's storyline. But, I believe in no ways he made Naruto's story to follow exactly the folklore. People familiar with Jiraiya Gōketsu Monogatari will understand what I am talking about...

for the chapter itself, I think it's another build up chapter. When Sakura saw Madara arrived for the first time, I can't help but think that she's indirectly know the condition of Hashirama, Tobirama and probably Sasuke. These are the group of people fighting Madara, or were situated close to him. There's no exact proof for what I am saying, so, just take it with a grain of salt..

my point is, she might have known indirectly regarding Sasuke's condition -she's a smart girl, naturally she could have deduced that Hashirama, Tobirama (and hence Sasuke) failed to stop Madara when he showed up in front of them... So, people speculating what Sakura's reaction if she knows Sasuke condition is implicitly answered in this chapter. It doesn't matter if she knew, right now her focus is Naruto. Even if she knew, as I assume based on this chapter, she wouldn't left Naruto behind. She's made her choice.

That is possible. I remember when Madara first showed up Naruto realized what he did, and asked him what he did to the Kages. Sakura might have already guessed?

[Namaenash]

That's my impression though, but it might be overstretched.

 

If you follow the panel flow, Kakashi was asking "How did you get Rikudou's power!?", and Sakura was like "... !" rather than a direct "!" reaction (implying there's a thought process before the shock). I think she would've deduced the situation at the other end of the battlefield.

 

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/665/3

[六道仙人]

That's my impression though, but it might be overstretched.

 

If you follow the panel flow, Kakashi was asking "How did you get Rikudou's power!?", and Sakura was like "... !" rather than a direct "!" reaction (implying there's a thought process before the shock). I think she would've deduced the situation at the other end of the battlefield.

 

http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/665/3

 

I don't think that Sakura knew that Naruto and Sasuke were fighting Madara. in volume 68 (648 to 657), Naruto and Sasuke "were fighting" against Obito. Then Naruto and Sasuke went to fight against Madara only after Minato asked them to go for help Hashirama against Madara. There's no proofes that Sakura was questioning about Sasuke and whoever. Sasuke even didn't joined with Naruto against Madara right away. He went to figh him only after Naruto was knocked out, with Hashirama's powers.

 

I simply think that Sakura has just realized that all bijuus, that she has pulled out from Obito along the whole alliance and Naruto, were taken from Madara. If it was something connected to Sasuke, Kishi would definiteley put a panel with her thought about him or at least mentioned him mentally. For example, in kinda way: "Madara is the new Rikudo...?! Then this means also that... Sasuke-kun is..."

But anyway it's a nonsense, especially after kakashi's words about Madara's new powers. Given the situation, after Kakashi's words, Sakura has definetely realized something like this "The power of Rikudo...? But then he took all the bijuus...!"

Edited by 六道仙人, 21 February 2014 - 03:57 PM.

[sushi.]

^I expected her to at least show a reaction, but I thought it was because she can't take her attention of Naruto now or else he's dead. She's quite focused.

 

But the way you're describing the scene, she might not know that Sasuke went up to Madara in the first place.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I wonder if this whole thing will be brought up again later. It feels like Sakura could connect that idea of peace to Naruto or something down the line. I forgot that in anime/manga universe, everyone can hear from many distance. So I do wonder if anything would be brought up later.

[LadyGT]

 no were not. just watch, We are going to see even more NS build up. I'm pretty sure NH has been buried completely at this point.  in short... I think NS just called checkmate.
 

I was kidding.

[Otaru]

Are you talking about @Kronin from NF ? I tried to find his post via Google search but came across a post of @Chatte expaling this based on what he said anyway  here is @Chatte's post on what he says :

Gaah, that again. Ok, let’s cut this kitten down cause I am DONE with it!
Before everything, special thanks to Kronin for clearing this up.

Many have said that, others have said that it was intended for Hinata to be a civilian.

Both, false. [I admit I was the one with the civilian because of a quite confusing part, you’ll see in the translation].

Now, let’s get it clear.

What does it say there? Thanks Kronin once again:

So as we see, those are some guidelines on how Hinata had to be and had to look. That’s all. No actual meaning and hidden message behind it.

Sorry but I have to correct you about Hinata’s part, actually it’s not what Kishimoto said; that picture is included in the Databook and translating the description to the English (I own the volume) the author say:

"A colored Hinata drawn to act as a guideline. This design of Hinata in civilian clothes appear for the first time in this volume"

And below:

"I drew this just for fun" (title in blank)
"I drew this just for fun. It was to make it clear to my asisstant how Hinata had to be. I had drawn it thinking to the world of Naruto, but in the end came out a very normal girl (laughs)"

Hope I cleared everyone with this.

 

 

I didn't know at all about this interview.

It's interesting.

 

It's still possible thought that Kishi said it to keep us in doubt about the end of the story.

He's often very vague or blunt about his manga, just to let us don't guess what will happen ^^

That said, I think this interview clarifies some thing, and weakens all the theory based on this drawing.

 

I really, never heard about what Kishi said about it.

 

Thank you for the sharing ^^it  was instructive ^^

 

 

-sigh- Look, I hate to rain on people's parade or purposely try to ruin people's hopes and dreams, but Sasuke has NEVER shown any interest in Sakura at all during this entire manga.

People can look into folklore, try to go with names, make connections from one to another, but at the end of the day we have to look at the bare fact that Sasuke has NEVER shown interest in Sakura.

Sasuke has NEVER shown interest in Sakura.

NEVER.

I will repeat this a thousand times if I have to. To say that these two characters will get together despite one character not even giving a crap and without development is just....I can't even find a word to describe how ludicrous it is. How can these two get together when one character has no interest in the other? How? How can you make it happen AND assume it to be believable? I can't picture it. At this point in time, and all the crap Sasuke has done to Sakura, I just can't picture it.

There is no love there. There is nothing. At least NaruHina has SOME foundation with Naruto at least caring about Hinata from time to time. Sasuke doesn't give a crap about anyone, BUT himself and what benefits him. Kishimoto even confirms this.

I don't get how people can sit here and still say SasuSaku has a chance when half of this pairing couldn't care less about it. How can you make a pairing canon when one character doesn't even show anything at the idea and at times even calls her "useless?"

I'm sorry. No matter what theory people throw at me to "prove" themselves, they can't put the love for Sakura in Sasuke no matter how hard they try. You can't convince me that he loves Sakura when at times he left her to die for his own selfish desires or cared very little about saving her. Hell, he almost killed her himself. How is that love?

And again, if SS is supposed to be canon, why isn't Sakura with Sasuke right now? If the writer can do whatever the hell he wants, then I am pretty sure he can have Sakura kneeling right next to him.

 

To be fair with SasuSaku believers, Sasuke has been nice to Sakura sometimes in the past.

He was the one that gave her confidence to go through the exams.

 

http://www.mangaread...chapter-36.html

http://www.mangaread...chapter-36.html

 

It's not really canon love but he did saw through her and helped her to feel better.

 

And at that time too he seemed to care about her

 

http://www.mangaread...chapter-55.html

 

I think Sasuke is a very secret guy, that's why he doesn't often tell this kind of things.

Moreover, he's broken.

During almost the whole story, he was possessed by evil.

 

Maybe if he has never been cursed by Orochimaru, maybe he would have continued to grow his link with Sakura (and Naruto of course).

 

It's undeniable that Sasuke cared for them both.

And maybe he could have develop some romantic feelings for Sakura... we don't really know.

 

I guess that's why some fans still believe in SasuSaku.

Edited by Otaru, 22 February 2014 - 01:16 AM.

[FireFox]

 

 

I didn't know at all about this interview.

It's interesting.

 

It's still possible thought that Kishi said it to keep us in doubt about the end of the story.

He's often very vague or blunt about his manga, just to let us don't guess what will happen ^^

That said, I think this interview clarifies some thing, and weakens all the theory based on this drawing.

 

I really, never heard about what Kishi said about it.

 

Thank you for the sharing ^^it  was instructive ^^

The thing is Kishi is pretty much straightforward with his choice of words here there is nothing vague about them in here like in some other interviews , his intentions with this picture are as clear as day there is no hidden meaning behind this , heck if you want more evidence just look at the relationship chart he made  there wasn't even a heart arrow from Hinata toward Naruto but there was from Naruto to Sakura plus Kishi always says what he means so i hope i made myself clear with this .

 

For me NH is dead since 631 plus Kishi never fails to show Hinata's "love" for Naruto as nothing more than admiration and idolization . 

 

And no problem you're welcome at any time .     

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

I doubt Sakura knows about Sasuke's condition. So much happened on the battlefield lately, it's not looking like she knew Sasuke was after Madara. She knew Naruto was hurt in 662, but she didn't know who caused it at the beginning. It doesn't look like that stretched to Sasuke.

 

So no, Sakura's still in the dark of Sasuke's critical condition. I feel like if she did know, she'd have a much more emotional reaction than what we got in 665. She'd definitely have some sort of written thought about it too. Sakura's lack of reaction doesn't fit well with a "Something bad happened to Sasuke" scenario because let's face it. She may be falling for Naruto, but she still has love for Sasuke too. 540 was pretty clear with it, even if her fake smile in the recent chapters proved it's weakening.

[sushi.]

For me NH is dead since 631 plus Kishi never fails to show Hinata's "love" for Naruto as nothing more than admiration and idolization .

631 did absolutely nothing to NH. In my opinion it died back in 615. That was her big moment, and after that it was just botchering of "I want to be beside Naruto". Which I think was unnecessary, because I believed her wish was completed in 615 and her development would hit the next stage, but nope.

[Ausakura]

I'm sorry if what I'm going to say will sound rude, but even if Kishi drawned Hinata having sex with Naruto wouldn't mean NOTHING if it's still outside of the manga events. And I really doubt if there's not even a draft of something like it. Maybe not, because as each writer have different meanings to his characters, maybe Kishi has a special meaning for them (some writers treats their characters like childs). But really? If it's an draft, it doesn't matter. Even more with this explanation of his that he did just for fun. We do it all the time! And I'm saying this as a writer too (sorry again if it sounds presumptuous). I know that LadyGT is an artist too, but I don't know if she's writing an original story. If she is, she and other artists of this forum may know what I'm talking about...

 

And wow, guys. That was in the begnning of manga. I'm having trouble with the initial content of my current Doujin for I have changed my mind so many times about the story. After all, it wasn't an story that I prepared all set from the very begnning, the plot contents were appearing within the pages, and for a weekly manga writer, the system is more or less like that too. Not every weekly manga writer writes his series all serious and builded at the begnning, because he have a high chance of waste his time and effort if his title is canceled by some editor. Yes, an writer always have an backstage ready to set the events, but really? Just look at Naruto, for example. From the loser who wins with effort and surpass tallented ninjas to the child of an generation who will surpass the old one, and then, to the fated saviour of an ancient prediction. Naruto's initial premisse was about overcoming and now is about following his destiny. 

 

And in some cases the main characters only appears later (for those saying that Hinata was created before Sakura and Sasuke). In my case, I always create the scenario first, to then put the characters in later. And it's a bothersome process, really. This shouldn't be taken in consideration too, unless if he said that he created Hinata to be Naruto's lover. But it's not the case... 

 

And wow, about Sakura, that isn't even the Uchiha Police symbol. Now all shurikens are the police symbol? The police symbol have the uchiha fan on the center... I think the shuriken was just to portray that she's in a Ninja universe, because without that, who could say that Sakura there alone would be part of a Ninja series? And let's be honest, NARUTO has little of serious Ninja influence... You can have this folktale here or there, but what serious Ninja would wear the clothes the characters wears? haha.

 

Anyway... Don't worry yourself with just this little. Take in consideration the actual develop of the story, and that's it. What's happenning now is what's right on Kishi's head. If he'll change it or the editors will force him to adapt his ideas... We don't know. He have changed his mind so many times. But let's stop thinking on what's not official to spare ourselves of worthless worrying.

Again, I'm sorry.

[FireFox]

 

To be fair with SasuSaku believers, Sasuke has been nice to Sakura sometimes in the past.

He was the one that gave her confidence to go through the exams.

 

http://www.mangaread...chapter-36.html

http://www.mangaread...chapter-36.html

 

It's not really canon love but he did saw through her and helped her to fell better.

Sasuke was the one who made her doubt herself in the first place , he insulted her and her abilities right before that scene that's the only reason why he even noticed that , plus his entire focus was on the exam and he didn't want anyone messing up that for him that's the sole reason why he even did that and that green he made after that further more proves it , it wasn't because Sakura was happy but because he accomplished his goal there wasn't even an after thought from him about Sakura being ok .

 

SS is anything but any kind of "love" it makes me , being nice toward somebody once doesn't equal love it means you are a human being  there is nothing positive about SS in the first place .   

 

631 did absolutely nothing to NH. In my opinion it died back in 615. That was her big moment, and after that it was just botchering of "I want to be beside Naruto". Which I think was unnecessary, because I believed her wish was completed in 615 and her development would hit the next stage, but nope.

It did in the sense that it destroyed any "hints" of Naruto having feelings for Hinata and reaffirmed his own toward Sakura everything after 631 destroyed it even more but 615 in no way destroyed NH completely but more or less I agree with you . 

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 22 February 2014 - 12:36 AM.

[TyranntX]

631 did absolutely nothing to NH. In my opinion it died back in 615. That was her big moment, and after that it was just botchering of "I want to be beside Naruto". Which I think was unnecessary, because I believed her wish was completed in 615 and her development would hit the next stage, but nope.

 I think it died the moment she was introduced in act I, she just doesn't do much of anything. and even when she DID confess to naruto... NOTHING HAPPENED AFTER THAT BETWEEN THEM... a NH fan has to admit that that had to be the biggest WTFH moment in the story. as for NS.... I knew it was going to happen since episode 3 of uncut.... THAT soon. that's only 1/2 way into the first volume, and I STILL anticipated a NS ending.

[James S Cassidy]

To be fair with SasuSaku believers, Sasuke has been nice to Sakura sometimes in the past.

He was the one that gave her confidence to go through the exams.

 

http://www.mangaread...chapter-36.html

http://www.mangaread...chapter-36.html

 

It's not really canon love but he did saw through her and helped her to feel better.

 

To be even more fair, we are in part 2 and the Sasuke now is not the same Sasuke back then. Dude tried to stab her without flinching. I'm sorry, but no amount of "part 1" can erase that.