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[LuckyChi7]

My discussion video on Sakura's next potential character focus/development.  

 

 

Edited by LuckyChi7, 27 December 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[六道仙人]

I don't know it that will be a Sakura's moment but i say that in next chapter alliance will notice that something happened to Naruto since their kurama shields will be disappeared.

[Nostradamus]

Its true that we don't know what will happen if the bijuu is resealed in the jinchuuriki, but it doesn't seem like its ever been presented or set up as a method of reversing the fatal effects of extraction.  Who knows though - perhaps it will be the key to saving him.  I'm not discounting it - I was just confused on why so many people assumed that would save Naruto when I've never seen evidence that it would in the manga.

Right now the way I see it there are only three way to save Naruto. Either Sakura learned Chiyo's technique and saves Naruto before he dies thus Sakura lives. The second way is Minato gives Naruto the other half of Kurama and that somehow stops his death, it might work it might not, we don't really know. Or Naruto does die and Obito brings him back with Rinne Tensei.

I just don't see Naruto dying and Sakura sacrificing her life to bring him back if she knows Chiyo's technique.

Another possibility although highly unlikely is that Naruto doesn't die because he still has the chakra he got from the Tailed Beasts. This one is really sketchy.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Right now the way I see it there are only three way to save Naruto. Either Sakura learned Chiyo's technique and saves Naruto before he dies thus Sakura lives. The second way is Minato gives Naruto the other half of Kurama and that somehow stops his death, it might work it might not, we don't really know. Or Naruto does die and Obito brings him back with Rinne Tensei.

I just don't see Naruto dying and Sakura sacrificing her life to bring him back if she knows Chiyo's technique.

Another possibility although highly unlikely is that Naruto doesn't die because he still has the chakra he got from the Tailed Beasts. This one is really sketchy.

Kurama could possibly let a part of him inside Naruto yet, remember that Bee left one of his tentacles behind so this possibility is not highly unlikely as you can see.

 

Also nothing against Chyio's technique but it sounds too OP to be believable, it's property aside from the fact the user give up his life to ressurrect other, it's almost the same as Sakura's medical ninjutsu(with the seal) that she used to heal fatal wounds or Tsunade's byakugan.

In other words  to cast a jutsu like that without no consequences for Sakura and is capable of curing everything as long as the target is alive, sounds too cheap.

 

I prefer to believe she created a jutsu that heals this case in particular than Kishi going this route.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2013 - 04:54 PM.

[六道仙人]

In any case, I read almost everywhere that Naruto wouldn't die in case of Kyuubi's extraction from his body since he has Uzumaki blood as Kushina and this's something that I don't understand honestly.
Even thought the Kyuubi was extracted from Kushina's body, she was dying anyway. The Uzumaki blood has the distinction of being strong and persistent, compared to that cockroaches', as Kabuto says to Sasuke. For example, Gaara died immediately after the Shukaku's extraction from his body.
Kushina was dying after the Kyuubi's extraction. For this reason she was willing to sacrifice herself in order to restore the Kyuubi in her own body once again (in fact she say that even she dies, the Kyuubi will take a while to come back to life). If she was really outlived then why to sacrifice herself for leaving the unborn child and the husband alone?
What I'm trying to say is that, by reading the original, it's even more clear that Kushina's life was a race against time.

Edited by 六道仙人, 27 December 2013 - 04:58 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

1.  Using a life-transfer technique does not always cause the caster to die - recall that Chiyo also used a life transfer technique to save Sakura after she was stabbed through the sword with a stomach.  The wound would have been fatal, untreatable by any medical jutsu but because Sakura wasn't dead yet, Chiyo was able to transfer enough life energy to save her and keep herself alive.  Since Sakura was conscious during the time that Chiyo explained this to Sasori, saw her perform the technique on Gaara, is intelligent and more than willing to research and learn things on her own time in order to help her teammates, and was specifically very worried about Naruto getting Kurama extracted, I think it would be perfectly reasonable if Sakura reveals that she has been researching the technique in the meantime.

 

Since Kushina did not die immediately from the extraction, I think its likely Naruto will not either, thus allowing Sakura to use the life-transfer technique without loosing her life in the process.

 

2.  I've seen a lot of people theorize that Naruto will be saved by Minato sealing the other half of Kurama in him.  But where was it ever established that sealing another (or the same bijuu again) in someone will save them?  I always thought it was the extraction process itself that strained the jinchuuriki's body so much that it resulted in death, not the mere absence of the bijuu's chakra.  After all, Kushina was planning on resealing Kurama inside of herself and dying.  If putting bijuu chakra back in the body would save the jinchuuiki, then Kushina's plan should have saved her, but no one said that it would.

This is why I think a life-transfer technique is the most likely thing to save him (unless Gaara learned some alternative method of saving him from Kurama), which either Sakura or Kakashi (who was watching Chiyo perform the technique with his Sharingan) are the most likely candidates to perform.

 

Really good points here, especially the last paragraph. The only thing I could really think of was Minato using his own Kyuubi chakra to save Naruto, but I like your idea better, I'm just a little reluctant to expect Sakura to play a big part here, (even though I want her to very badly) because she's been so continuously pushed off to the side. It would be an ideal opportunity to put Sakura in a situation to showcase her playing the role of a heroine, which Kishi has greatly neglected showing for some time. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

In any case, I read almost everywhere that Naruto wouldn't die in case of Kyuubi's extraction from his body since he has Uzumaki blood as Kushina and this's something that I don't understand honestly.
Even thought the Kyuubi was extracted from Kushina's body, she was dying anyway. The Uzumaki blood has the distinction of being strong and persistent, compared to that cockroaches', as Kabuto says to Sasuke. For example, Gaara died immediately after the Shukaku's extraction from his body.
Kushina was dying after the Kyuubi's extraction. For this reason she was willing to sacrifice herself in order to restore the Kyuubi in her own body once again (in fact she say that even she dies, the Kyuubi will take a while to come back to life). If she was really outlived then why to sacrifice herself for leaving the unborn child and the husband alone?
What I'm trying to say is that, by reading the original, it's even more clear that Kushina's life was a race against time.

That part was very inconsistent to me, in a way it seemed that she would die with chakra loss but on another she would die due to the fact she had very little chakra and to seal the kyuubi she would have to use beyond that ending withzero chakra.

 

Rinne tensei is also like this, the manga showed that Nagato died of chakra exaustion and not because of the Rinne Tensei, later shows that Obito should die because he has to sacrifice his own life to use that technique, it's very confusing, i waited for Naruto's case to have the ultimate response into this.

Perhaps Naruto's case could be different?
Does the type of sealing could interfere into this? since to use that seal someome had to sacrifice it's own life first etc...

 

Kyuubi showed how having a large vitality could save the target from dying, since it's shown that Obito didnt died after the extraction because of the high vitality of the gedo mazou.

We know that the kyuubi chakra has a high vitality so if Minato gives him his chakra could in a way save Naruto? or even some jutsu from the seal?

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2013 - 05:10 PM.

[Nostradamus]

In other words  to cast a jutsu like that without no consequences for Sakura and is capable of curing everything as long as the target is alive, sounds too cheap.

 

I prefer to believe she created a jutsu that heals this case in particular than Kishi going this route.

Does it really sound so exaggerated that Sakura could use Chiyo's technique without any consequences? Considering the exaggerated stuff we saw so far. I can make an entire list about things that seem impossible and exaggerated, only to find out that there not.

 

Also it would be nice if Sakura actually created her own technique that can save Naruto but I'm not putting my money on that.

[redragon88]

Kushina was going to die no matter what. That's why Minato had decided to seal the last of her chakra inside of Naruto.

 

If she really was going to live Minato would've only sealed himself and let Kushina raise Naruto instead. It's not that complicated.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Does it really sound so exaggerated that Sakura could use Chiyo's technique without any consequences? Considering the exaggerated stuff we saw so far. I can make an entire list about things that seem impossible and exaggerated, only to find out that there not.

 

Also it would be nice if Sakura actually created her own technique that can save Naruto but I'm not putting my money on that.

 

The problem is the property of the technique not the technique itself, it's not different than what Sakura can do with her medical ninjutsu enhanced with the seal, aside from that the only thing it does is ressurrect the target which is giving her life up.
The inconsistence is why she would use that technique to heal Naruto when she could use her medical healing ninjutsu?

That's the part i cannot understand when it comes to this.

 

Neither I, i think it has everything to do with vitality, Naruto needs his vitality to be replenished or putting something with high vitality into him(Minato -> Kurama), Obito survived and was fine after the extraction of the Juubi because Gedou Mazou provided high vitality to him.

Sakura would either give most of her vitality or all to Naruto plus getting old or even dying on the process.

 

Also about breaking rules, Madara could have used Susano'o because it's stored into the brain and not on the eyes, that could explain why Sasuke even with Itachi's eyes cant use Itachi's Susano'o.

 

 

Kushina was going to die no matter what. That's why Minato had decided to seal the last of her chakra inside of Naruto.

 

If she really was going to live Minato would've only sealed himself and let Kushina raise Naruto instead. It's not that complicated.

 

If Kushina was going to die anyway the why she didnt used Shiki Fuuin and sealed the kyuubi into Naruto and let Minato raise him.

Wasnt needed for Minato to sacrifice his life either way, this is what they call convenience, there was no reason for Naruto to be an orphan, it was forced.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2013 - 05:56 PM.

[redragon88]

Does it really sound so exaggerated that Sakura could use Chiyo's technique without any consequences? Considering the exaggerated stuff we saw so far. I can make an entire list about things that seem impossible and exaggerated, only to find out that there not.

 

Also it would be nice if Sakura actually created her own technique that can save Naruto but I'm not putting my money on that.

 

If Sakura could use Chiyo's life transfer jutsu without any consequece she would've already tried it on Shikamaru, so I don't see it as possible.

 

Only if the jutsu gives her certain death can I see her having it and use it on Naruto, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

[sushi.]

 

If Sakura could use Chiyo's life transfer jutsu without any consequece she would've already tried it on Shikamaru, so I don't see it as possible.

 

Only if the jutsu gives her certain death can I see her having it and use it on Naruto, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

No I think she'll save it as a trump card. Even if it doesn't take her life, it might require more chakra than a basic mystic palm.

 

"To think I'll have to use this", she might say.

[redragon88]

No I think she'll save it as a trump card. Even if it doesn't take her life, it might require more chakra than a basic mystic palm.

 

"To think I'll have to use this", she might say.

 

But wasn't Shikamaru seriously dying back then? I would think that was the perfect chance for it. Not to mention she kept shouting that Naruto needed Shikamaru.

[sushi.]

 

But wasn't Shikamaru seriously dying back then? I would think that was the perfect chance for it. Not to mention she kept shouting that Naruto needed Shikamaru.

I know, but I'm thinking she'll use medical jutsu first, and when she realizes it has no effect she'll attempt to use that jutsu. She probably won't even know if it works or not, as it'd be her first time.

Edited by sushi., 27 December 2013 - 06:19 PM.

[redragon88]

I know, but I'm thinking she'll use medical jutsu first, and when she realizes it has no effect she'll attempt to use that jutsu. She probably won't even know if it works or not, as it'd be her first time.

 

So it would be an all or nothing gamble in which she doesn't know if it'll work or not and if whether she'll live or die, but she'll take that risk for Naruto's sake?

 

Now THAT I do like.

[LadyGT]

Didn't Tsunade evacuate the alliance with the rest of the kages? Sakura and katsuyu might be still behind with Sai and the others. Just a thought.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Didn't Tsunade evacuate the alliance with the rest of the kages? Sakura and katsuyu might be still behind with Sai and the others. Just a thought.

I think the same way but they took 1 panel to evacuate they can might take one panel to show up they are ninjas after all.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 December 2013 - 08:50 PM.

[T XD]

Going by Chiyo's words, she said to Sakura to sacrifice herself for a precious person or said to her other words that are close to that. Maybe Kishi didn't make Sakura use Chiyo's technique on Shikamaru and instead he wants her to use it on Naruto by recalling Chiyo's words... This precious person.

Edited by T XD, 27 December 2013 - 08:51 PM.

[rikakim94]

Quick question does anyone know the form naruto is in when he has kurama and his whole body turns flaming yellow with a cloak? I don't know the offical name for that form I know sage mode is sage mode and kyubbi form is when he starts to form red energy.  

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Quick question does anyone know the form naruto is in when he has kurama and his whole body turns flaming yellow with a cloak? I don't know the offical name for that form I know sage mode is sage mode and kyubbi form is when he starts to form red energy.  

Naruto without the cloak is called "Naruto Kyuubi Chakra mode or simply KCM" , "When he's with the cloack and the full form it's called Kurama mode simply" KM, at least it's how it's called on the game.