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[BakeNeko-Chan]

NH has argued in the past that we can't compare their handhold with this, and that is true. I don't think this pic is meant to be taken seriously, Slex doesn't argue like that. Now I've seen anon hate on NS-tumblrs that claim this OR handhold is a parallel to NH's, so I'm not making this up or anything. The OR handhold is not much more meaningful than this picture, so wouldn't that be hypocritical? Not to mention...OR was apparently platonic, but now it's not because it parallels NH. Just..make up your mind..fandom.

 

I think these moments are three different scenarios which are incomparable, but this Team 7 moment resembles the OR handholding more than the NH one does(poses, movement, context and such). The NH handhold was supposed to represent the power of unity, I don't think it was just for "chakra transfer". I like that it has a symbolic meaning.

 

I didn't intend for it to be taken too seriously, and you right that they can't really be compared. Obviously, the handhold with Naruto and Hinata was much more significant than that scene, and representative of the power of unity, as you said, and I also don't see it as just chakra transfer, even though that was part of it.

I personally saw the Obito/Rin handhold in this chapter as sweet, but platonic, and definitely not reminiscent of HN's handhold in 615, because the context was very different, most notably that with Obito and Rin it was shown as a lighthearted moment, not serious and somber like 615.

 

Okay here is something to look out for, as dumb as this sounds:

The rinnegan may be forming in naruto.

Some people have put forward a speculation on his eye in one panel in which a ring appears between his rentia and cornera.

Remember, the style of eyes in the series? Naruto, sakura, tenten, and tsunade are the only ones with a notable same style, just different color corneas. Narutos being blue, Sakura's green, tenten brown, and tsunades are yellow for some reason. All other characters tend to have just simple black eyes or a special type being an ocular trait, unique like inos, or the strange style the lee has.

I know this sounds strange but that ring could be the first of the rinnegan. If it's really the case, I hope it's just temporary, I cannot see naruto with the rinnegan fully not to mention how one sided and op he would be against Sasuke.

 

Uh? No. No. No. I absolutely despise the idea of Naruto gaining rinnegan, it does not fit him at all!

[Rozette]

I found it really interesting that the touching scene with Obito and Rin was on a bench similar to the bench scene from Ch. 3 with Naruto and Sakura, The context of both scenes are very similar, too. Just look at the visuals:

 

                                

           

 

                 

 

(I apologize for the long post) 

[sushi.]

Either way I think Kishi has a thing for that bench. ^

[BlueStarSaber]

Either way I think Kishi has a thing for that bench. ^

 

I wonder if that is were Naruto and Sakura will kiss?

[catsi563]

Maybe. this time for real.

 

The bench scene is to me at least the point where the character development between the two, the relationship development if you will begins.

 

its where Sakura and Sasuke diverge and move farther away, and Sakura starts to parallel Naruto constantly moving closer. to each other.

 

when its brought back again its where everything will come full circle in closure this time.

[Nostradamus]

 

I actually think it is just nullified. Seeing how everyone has held Naruto's hand somewhere along the storyline, I kind of think that it is no longer a means to prove relationship status

I know, I'm just making fun of the whole holding hands argument. Right now we can have Naruto and Karin holding hands and it wouldn't mean anything, unless it's accompanied by a romantic dialogue or a romantic scenario or something that would suggest something more that just camaraderie.

[Slextrem]

NH has argued in the past that we can't compare their handhold with this, and that is true. I don't think this pic is meant to be taken seriously, Slex doesn't argue like that.

 

^ This. I was just poking fun at 615 when I captioned that panel. It's not meant to be taken as serious pairing argument.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

^ This. I was just poking fun at 615 when I captioned that panel. It's not meant to be taken as serious pairing argument.

 

Maybe I was misunderstood, because I didn't mean it seriously either.

[Slextrem]

 

Maybe I was misunderstood, because I didn't mean it seriously either.

 

Oh, I knew that! I could tell that you were just having some fun with it.

[James S Cassidy]

NH has argued in the past that we can't compare their handhold with this, and that is true. I don't think this pic is meant to be taken seriously, Slex doesn't argue like that. Now I've seen anon hate on NS-tumblrs that claim this OR handhold is a parallel to NH's, so I'm not making this up or anything. The OR handhold is not much more meaningful than this picture, so wouldn't that be hypocritical? Not to mention...OR was apparently platonic, but now it's not because it parallels NH. Just..make up your mind..fandom.

 

I think these moments are three different scenarios which are incomparable, but this Team 7 moment resembles the OR handholding more than the NH one does(poses, movement, context and such). The NH handhold was supposed to represent the power of unity, I don't think it was just for "chakra transfer". I like that it has a symbolic meaning.

 

This handholding thing is driving me up the wall now. It's just funny when you look at the context of the scene in question and why they do such an action. This is the problem with the NH handhold because the simple context of the scene doesn't really depict "lovers." Naruto may have held her hand for unity, but he also held her hand to transfer chakra. You can't really argue that there wasn't a practical reason for doing so.

 

Comparable to OR handhold and it seems they are in a time of peace or at rest which means it wasn't really practical to do so, but did anyway...if I making any sense at all. Even if we were to accept the handhold as a bit more meaning, why does it all of as sudden cancel out all the other NS development? What about the NS hug where he came back? You'd think a hug would be a lot more personal and seeing how many NH artist try replacing Sakura with Hinata in fan art, I can see that secretly they know that hug meant more than just platonic. Why is that hug platonic, but Naruto holding Hinata's hand is a symbol of their undying love for each other?  That's just drives me crazy with that thought process. Can't the handhold be platonic too? At least, I think that is how Naruto saw it anyway.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 29 October 2013 - 08:02 PM.

[Psychox]

I found it really interesting that the touching scene with Obito and Rin was on a bench similar to the bench scene from Ch. 3 with Naruto and Sakura, The context of both scenes are very similar, too. Just look at the visuals:

 

                                

           

 

                 

 

(I apologize for the long post) 

Hm... not a bad clue you've found there , it can lead to something, the first kiss does come a lot on a bench as well as other stuff // .
 

 

I think these moments are three different scenarios which are incomparable, but this Team 7 moment resembles the OR handholding more than the NH one does(poses, movement, context and such). The NH handhold was supposed to represent the power of unity, I don't think it was just for "chakra transfer". I like that it has a symbolic meaning.

You bring a good point about symbolism, that's why the chapter was called ''connected ''  i guess

[Weltall]

What a great chapter we are finally getting rid of Obito and it can only be a good thing, I hope if Madara takes over he won't whine as much as Obito and we will get some good action contrary to the joke we got since Obito became the Juubi Jin.
Normally I would be offended that a man who caused so much deaths and destruction over such petty reasons will get a chance towards redemption but if it allows to finally end Naruto and Obito's "conflict" then I'm all for it.
 
I never was one of those who tought the parallel will be confirmed (except for the team 7 team Minato parallel ) but now I can see Obito sacrificing himself to save Sakura and redeeming himself in the process, even if the parallel is obvious to see Kishi always likes to force it down everyone's troaths so for the parallels junkies out there don't give up yet there's hope.

Edited by Weltall, 30 October 2013 - 09:12 AM.

[Transformers03]

This chapter really stands out because if Tobi actually accepts Naruto's offer of repentance then the only ones left who still place their convictions in the Moon Eye's Plan are Madara and Zetsu. Poor Kisame died believing in a cause that will have been completely stifled by the world soon after. What's really saddening about it is that his personal quest to seek meaning and identity was genuine without any personal uncertainty being implied. In spite of his unfortunate life though, Kisame seemed to value the opinions and lives of his fellow Akatsuki members (Itachi especially). He died fighting for Tobi's aspirations, believing that his act of self-sacrifice made him more than just a monster. 

 

So in retrospect, I argue that Tobi wasn't necessarily alone in his cause. His goals may be detrimental to the world as a whole, but it gave purpose and meaning to a man's life. 

 

Edit: This has nothing to do with the topic about Rin and the NH accusations, but this chapter has quite a few tragic implications, besides just romance related subjects, and I wanted to point them out. 

 

Wow.........that deep man. I now certainly hope that was Kishi's intention.

[Dark_Nature]

Next week Obito will most probably hold naruto's hand.... ObiNaru canon?

 

Naruto you whore   you hold everyone's hand....easy catch lmao 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I said this on NS fanclub on NF and i repeat that here:

 

It's true that this chapter has nothing to do with romance. But it's undeniable to say that there were small clues about the parallel with NS. Watch the promise that Rin makes to Obito. A very reminiscent of Sakura's promise to Naruto in the hospital scene, just after the failure of Sasuke's rescue mission, "The next time we'll do together."
Besides also Naruto promised to Sakura that he'll bring back Sasuke while Obito promised to Rin that he will become the hokage and bring the peace into the shinobi world by stopping the war. It's not a parallel between couples, it's a parallel between promises. Watch also the situation between Jiraiya and Tsunade. The last time they're seen each other, Jiraiya made the promise to her that he would return, a promise that Tsunade remarked once again with Shizune when in a scene She looked worried and awaits anxiously his return, sadly unhappening.

THe promise that Naruto did on the hospital already served it's purpose (as a form for Sakura train harder), the summit literally breaks it off by Naruto handling the whole Sasuke thing by himself and later Sakura doing it, and also the fight he wants to fight Sasuke alone to prove something else which is stated before the hospital.

The promise Rin did was more meaningfull than the Hospital scene, because the hospital was a promise that only served as a motive for Sakura to train harder and become strong while as for Obito was more like Rin making Obito promise he will achieve his dreams no matter what happens.

 

This promise is way above Sakura's promise.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 29 October 2013 - 09:33 PM.

[rocci]

I don't think this war arc would end in this volume. And what's the highlight of this volume?

I still want sakura to get hurt in this arc

Edited by rocci, 29 October 2013 - 09:34 PM.

[sushi.]

You bring a good point about symbolism, that's why the chapter was called ''connected ''  i guess

The chapter 615 was called connected because every comrade on the battlefield is connected. This is a part of Hinata's speech, yet there is denial, the belief that the connection is limited between her and Naruto as newfound soulmates. 

 

The chapter was very symbolic. Remember Neji's bird? It reminds me of one of my favourite songs by Celine Dion, it's called "Fly". No kidding, right..

[morgaine4]

I've said a couple times that I don't want further confirmation of the Sakura-Rin parallel.  This is good enough, the Sakura-Rin parallel would only serve to further emphasize Naruto's feelings, but we already know what his feelings are.  That's why I feel this chapter gave us enough information.  I just want to move on, I want this war to end, like I've said I wouldn't mind murdering the war with a water pistol...lol!  Had this been about Sakura's feelings I think we'd need more confirmation (and I'm not saying that because of how interesting I find the pinkette), I just don't think that after this chapter more direct emphasis of the S-R parallel would just take up space that could be devoted to finishing up the war, it wouldn't change anything.

 

I also find it hilarious that just like he did with Minato, in this chapter Kishi illustrated that some of the assumptions many of us (including myself) had with regards to Rin's personality were false.  It just goes to show that as important of character Rin is in terms of influencing some of the events of the manga, there is so very little that we actually know about her.

 

 

 

What if Obito gets that great redemption moment, realizes how wrong he was, accept Naruto's hand thus giving Naruto that feeling of achievement, and then Sasuke kills him before he could join back the Leaf?

 

This would definitely add some fire to their final conflict. 

 

 

That would be awesome, sadly, Kishi tries hard to avoid making his 'stars' actually kill people (Danzo was an exception, Sasuke was deep in his psychosis, and technically did Sasuke kill him or did he drive Danzo to kill himself?  I don't remember).

 

*sigh* I still wish Sakura had killed Sasuke, or Sasuke had killed Sakura (and she's my favorite).  It would have been so interesting to see Naruto deal with that, have one the two most important individuals in his life kill the other...

 

 

Rin seems like a real nice girl though. She really cared for Obito idk if it was romantic or not but she cared deeply. It's sad to see she suffering the same fate as Sakura...people calling her a wh*** already and a lot of other stuff.

 

Ugh!  Yes!  "Rin is a horrible person because even after Obito risked his life for her, died, and she found out he loved her, she still didn't return his feelings."  Ugh, ugh, ugh!

 

 

Yess.

 

ObiRin, JiraTsu, NaruSaku..basically every pairing in Naruto, have non-romantic interactions and a bond outside of romance.

 

It's really problematic that so many in this fandom think that potential romantic partners should have interactions that are limited to "romance."  A partnership, a romantic partnership, is much more than romances --it's full knowledge about the other person, it's compatibility, it's trust, it's the safety to criticize the person, the ability to stand up for oneself.  An interaction is an interaction is an interaction, it doesn't matter if a specific interaction is romantic or not, all that matters is the writer's end-goal.  (After all, romantic relationships that are purely romantic or sexual, tend not to last very long.  There's a place for those types of relationships, but Kish is very obviously trying to build Naruto a family, that's why it's important that Sakura wants to look after him, that's why it's important that Sakura and Naruto can read each other so well, that's why it's important that Karin is Uzumaki (no, I don't ship SK)).

 

 

Man, I really like Rin. I really like young Obito. I love them all. They are so precious!

 

 

One thing Kishi is great at doing is making youngins adorable, ack the feels!  I think it's why the fact that they're all baby-soldiers (child soldiers) always stood out to me.  Ugh, I really hate the Shinobi World.

 

 

Next week Obito will most probably hold naruto's hand.... ObiNaru canon?

 

ObiNaru hate sex could be hot...I mean, they are each other so who would be on top?

Edited by morgaine4, 29 October 2013 - 09:58 PM.

[Psychox]

The chapter 615 was called connected because every comrade on the battlefield is connected. This is a part of Hinata's speech, yet there is denial, the belief that the connection is limited between her and Naruto as newfound soulmates. 

 

The chapter was very symbolic. Remember Neji's bird? It reminds me of one of my favourite songs by Celine Dion, it's called "Fly". No kidding, right..

From that specific chapter, folks claim that Naruto holds feelings for both girls(ignoring the entire context of course), but if asked who is Naruto's GF , people just deny it.. As i said before a beautiful lie told 100 times ,becomes truth , so yup, i guess they are soul mates :shrugs:

Neji's bird appeared for the second time before his imminent death  ,not only he broke the curse of being a bird in a cage ,but saved both Naruto and HInata. Oh, and the song is pretty awesome :3.

[Inferno180]

As much as people are saying, that Bench is no brainer, its been one of the most reoccuring locations in the entire series within the village, alongside the ramen bar, and hokage office, the bench has held some signficant scenes, even for Sakura in just that case.

 

Its not crazy to think that if there is a NaruSaku canon born moment, that it could occur there basically ya know, opposite of when she said she first hated naruto to the full reverse of loving him there. Basically it would be kind of a moment for the audience to see this is the opposite of when we first saw Sakura, who was immature and knew nothing of Naruto but now in the end being mature and loving naruto. I mean it was used when Sasuke knocked Sakura out after saying goodbye. Makes sense for this to be the space NaruSaku would go canon.

 

Well it depends how much it was rebuilt since the village was destroyed a while back by nagato. If the village is fully back by the end of the series, I'd expect the bench to be back too.