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[Chatte]

Plus, she was glad he was ok because if you remember, in the past, he had been struck by the curse mark seal thingie and she was constantly worried. But when Kakashi made that appearance with Sasuke, she was happy he was there and relieved at the same time Sasuke was ok.

[Liu bie]

This chapter makes me think:

 

 

No wonder Shikamaru did not die. It seems that Kishi decided that Naruto will not suffer for the lost of his friends, but Madara has not been seen. Possible here comes the temporary death of Naruto in the hands of Madara. So rookies will fall in desperation for the lost of Naruto, but miracles happen in the end.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, I'm still thinking how Madara will get into this. Any thoughts?

[Luna]

Well, I'm still thinking how Madara will get into this. Any thoughts?

Plot Twist: Madara ends up defeating hashirama and then he kills obito.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Plot Twist: Madara ends up defeating hashirama and then he kills obito.

Well that would be crazy. But really, I wonder how. Clearly he must know that this is happening.

[Chatte]

By the way, what's the translation of the cover?

[六道仙人]

it says "歩んできた戦いの軌跡！！(The battle's path that we walked)

[Chatte]

it says "歩んできた戦いの軌跡！！(The battle's path that we walked)

Oh so it's like each of the paths the 3 of them took from their initial selves. :) Interesting. Thanks a lot!

[Lid]

Good thing Obito doesn't have a tattoo like this since he may be regretting the path he went down

[Nefertieh]

Hum... i really dont know, Obito failed to protect Rin he cant still protect her after what happened.

In fact it's really difficult to think what Naruto has something to say about Rin here.

If something in regards to show that Naruto surpassed this ,is by telling it's possible to fill out this hole with someome else which means moving on.

 

By far we saw that Jiraiya could not be kage because he could not save his friend and Obito who turned out what he's now because he could not protect Rin.

 

To overcome Jiraiya's thinking he realized that "the ones who are acknowledged by everyone  become kage" now to overcome Obito's...

 

Yes, but Obito never made a Promise of a Lifetime to Rin. So in that aspect, Naruto can't relate to him. Filling your void with someone else? That's exactly that the antis have been saying.

 

I think too many people are putting too much emphasis on the "surpassed the previous generation" theme. That was an obvious theme in the Immortals arc, but hardly the overarching theme of the story.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Yes, but Obito never made a Promise of a Lifetime to Rin. So in that aspect, Naruto can't relate to him. Filling your void with someone else? That's exactly that the antis have been saying.

 

I think too many people are putting too much emphasis on the "surpassed the previous generation" theme. That was an obvious theme in the Immortals arc, but hardly the overarching theme of the story.

That's why for me it wont make sense because he's business with Sakura hasnt finished.

( this would only make sense, if SasuSaku was canon or she died for real)

 

For Naruto, Sakura is still there alive, and he still protect her, for Obito she already died and he failed to protect her.

 

In pain arc, Pain destroyed the whole village and killed Kakashi, and he could relate to him but on this i really dont know how can Naruto relate to Obito at all.

(if just with Neji's death he was thinking about giving up because he promised he would protect them imagine if Sakura had died)

I remember the prediction someome posted two pages ago, yep i agree with that, making Naruto vow in some way that he'd protect Sakura's smile and wont fail but... what this has to do with Obito.

(which even then distort from Obito's objective which is peace)

It's just that pushing Obi/Rin on this way i really dont know it's too "dont make sense".

 

It would be impactfull if it's revealed that Rin either loved Obito in the end or Kakashi told her about his feelings.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 24 October 2013 - 12:02 PM.

[Superman333]

lols wtf .? whose side are you on anyways .? 

[Strangelove]

Hopefully this isn't going to be a sit down and talk no jutsu...hopefully this will be a fist to fist talk no jutsu...

[sushi.]

Good thing Obito doesn't have a tattoo like this since he may be regretting the path he went down

If I were him I would regret that it's mispelled, or is that the whole point?

[Chatte]

 

Yes, but Obito never made a Promise of a Lifetime to Rin. So in that aspect, Naruto can't relate to him. Filling your void with someone else? That's exactly that the antis have been saying.

 

I think too many people are putting too much emphasis on the "surpassed the previous generation" theme. That was an obvious theme in the Immortals arc, but hardly the overarching theme of the story.

Yes but Obito made Kakashi to promise him to protect her. So in a way, he does have his own type of promise of a lifetime. He just couldn't do it himself because he was about to die, that's why he just "transferred" the promise to someone else. :)

[Dkey]

If I were him I would regret that it's mispelled, or is that the whole point?

that picture feels more like ignorance is bliss

[ramenanmitsu]

I think what annoys me with Obito is that he is constantly dreaming for something he doesn't have. He's like a selfish kid with huge power.

 

First he is dreaming for a world where there is Rin, because that world is the only 'beautiful' and 'right' world for him. Not once does he realize that if he creates a world where Rin is smiling, it's a contradiction to what Rin really is. Because, there is no way the 'real' Rin, who sacrificed her life in the village, will be smiling in a Tsukuyomi World created on the sacrifice of the people she swore to protect. He's selfish and he forces his own ideal Rin into his own ideal world. But that's not really caring about Rin. That's only Obito trying to satisfy his hunger for what he doesn't have. 

 

Now, that the idea of Tsukuyomi is getting less and less likely, he is starting to dream of the 'what if' scenario. He's starting to think that maybe he could be happy in the 'what if' scenario.  But the 'what if' scenario only looks bright because he never had it, and he's the guy who keeps chasing for something he doesn't have. If he actually was in that situation, he would never feel content, and he wouldn't appreciate his friends like in his imagination. 

 

His childish fantasies are downright disastrous.

 

Obito and Naruto is so similar, yet so much different in a way that Naruto actually appreciates what is given to him, and doesn't force his ideals (for example: Sakura).

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 24 October 2013 - 04:20 PM.

[Luna]

lols wtf .? whose side are you on anyways .? 

I remember askia from the old debate thread. He/She is a naruhina shipper.

[Hanabi]

@ramenanmitsu: problem is, it's not his idea. uchihas like him and sasuke just seem to be gifted at getting manipulated by others..  kid obito is just as sweet as naruto too, he didnt seem to force rin to anything.. he just didnt have a personal iruka or jiraiya..

Edited by Hanabi, 24 October 2013 - 04:30 PM.

[ramenanmitsu]

@ramenanmitsu: problem is, it's not his idea. uchihas like him and sasuke just seem to be gifted at getting manipulated by others..  kid obito is just as sweet as naruto too, he didnt seem to force rin to anything.. he just didnt have a personal iruka or jiraiya..

Madara may have had a part in his change, but Obito himself was the one who made the decision. Having a sob story doesn't take away the responsibility from a criminal. 

 

By forcing his ideals, I mean that he is making his own ideal version of Rin. He isn't following after her wishes. He is creating a world where Rin is alive and smiling. The 'real' Rin would be miserable that she is living in a dream world, where people are stripped off of freedom to live in reality. The 'real' Rin sacrificed her life to protect the village. But he isn't following her wishes, instead he's only projecting his own wishes. In this way, he is forcing his ideals on Rin by making her alive and happy when she wouldn't be. This is contrary to Naruto, who would respect Sakura's wishes and hopes, and would never create a fake Sakura for his own selfish desires. All the more, this shows that Naruto's love for Sakura exceeds way more than Obito's love for Rin. 

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 24 October 2013 - 05:41 PM.