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[megi]

@morgaine, you may actually be right hahaha . I'm not sure which group used which hand - I just know that they used opposite hands to summon.

 

I thought it was a partial byakugo no jutsu since the release resembles that of her second form. Just not covering her entire body.

Anyway, I'd love it of Sakura intercepts an attack and releases the jutsu completely while giving some epic speech after Obito THINKS she's down for the count. I'd love it to bits.

Anyway, lets all take a moment to let it sink in. Sakura has the jutsu that the likes of Madara praised before. One of the ultimate regenerative techniques and what makes this feat even more amazing is the fact that she IS a regular girl and she's only 17. To obtain all of these feats without some crazy training method, and over such a period of time still makes me proud to be a Sakura fan. She's really something.

 

Really at first I thought that it was just the seal, but rereading it over, it makes a lot of sense that it is a partial release!

I totally see this as a set up for Sakura to do a lot more (than she has been). I can't wait to see what everyone will do the rest of the volume! It really seems that the climax is in the next 1-2 chapters!

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

That's an issue with the speeches in general, and that I can understand. I don't mind them but I get that people would want them to stop so the plot can go faster.

 

The problem is that people had issue with Naruto's particular answer this time "It's my ninja way" and said that he should've answered differently, which to me doesn't make any sense. That answer made complete sense coming from Naruto.

 

Now that I've had more time to think on it, I feel it's more the lack of progression that's bothering me and this endless circle of events, attack, fail, rousing speech, attack, fail, and over again. I've been patient with it, but I guess that patience is running a bit thin for whatever reason. And while it is 'in character' for Naruto to respond the way he did, I still find its impact underwhelming.

[StriderC]

@morgaine, you may actually be right hahaha . I'm not sure which group used which hand - I just know that they used opposite hands to summon.
 

 
Really at first I thought that it was just the seal, but rereading it over, it makes a lot of sense that it is a partial release!
I totally see this as a set up for Sakura to do a lot more (than she has been). I can't wait to see what everyone will do the rest of the volume! It really seems that the climax is in the next 1-2 chapters!

Ikr. I still can't believe she has a technique that rivals the healing capabilitied lf Hashirama. It's pretty damn amazing! I wonder if we're gonna see it release over her entire body. I want to see the rookies wreck shop again! maybe Shikamaru will come up with a plan. I know I'm anxious though. Lol

[Jake]

Several times I've wondered why medics didn't use genjutsu as some sort of anesthetic when healing severe wounds.  It would be a good way to remove the pain individuals they're healing are experiencing.  It would make sense, genjutsu-users and medical-nins have the same requirements --lots of intelligence.

 

Pain is one of the things that can break a Genjutsu, as shown when Shikamaru broke his thumb to break free of Tayuya's Genjutsu.

Edited by Jake, 09 October 2013 - 01:49 AM.

[rocci]

@morgaine
Kabuto is a medic and he can use genjutsu. There's c(raikage assistance)too.
The problem for genjutsu in narutoverse is it so overpower and kishi intend the only one who can cast genjutsu more than one is sharingan user. Outside of it, genjutsu only cast one time on panel.

@jake
I always see sakura as a caster(genjutsu and maybe ninjutsu), and not a brute fight. Imagine temari with kurenai genjutsu capabilities that's pretty strong. But since she come under tsunade tutelage she become a combat medic(which is good).

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Oh my god!!  This chapter was amaazzzing.  So much better than the last chapter, and 1000x better than the chapter before that. So much happened in it, it's hard to keep up with.

 

Sakura has the Byakugou seal.  I can't believe it, she's really on par with Tsunade now. Though I'm a little disappointed it was only used to summon Katsuyu, but I don't expect Kishi to just entirely ignore Sakura's new ability either. If she has a summoning contract and the Byakugou technique, then she has the ability to regenerate herself if she gets seriously injured. I don't see Kishi to just not let us see her use this, even if right now their main focus is healing. But I have a minor squabble with Sakura's new power-up. Her training for this was completely off-screen, so it's coming out of nowhere. We didn't even get a glimpse of her signing up for the summoning contract. It just bothers me, I'm disappointed in how heavily Kishimoto focused on Sasuke/Narutos' abilities and only Sakura's until the second to last arc in the series.

 

It's interesting to see that Obito's resolve is weakening a little due to Naruto's continual insistence, though I wish we actually saw it instead of Kakashi monologuing it for us.  My favorite part probably was Obito's speech moment to Naruto. And yes, I agree with anyone that the "Sasuke might betray you again" was foreshadowing. Unfortunately, I know Sasuke. He's not reliable and he always puts his own interests above everything else so another betrayal from him has pretty much been a given for a while now. And this is coming from a Sasuke fan.

 

I loved Naruto's response to Obito ("I never go back on my word") just for the nostalgia feeling, it's nice to see he hasn't changed in that way over the years. That said, it did show a blatant lack of understanding of what Obito was conveying to him. Naruto likes to simplify everything into something easy to understand, even when it's particular nature is not that easy. And what I noticed is that Obito got angry afterwards, probably because of what I just said. That means he's going to try something drastic soon ... a talk no jutsu is on the way, but we're not there yet.

 

As for how Obito will be changed, I expect Kakashi involvement, Naruto talk no jutsu, and an ObiRin parallel. Look, there is no way Obito could be swayed that easily by Naruto's determination, especially given the simplistic answer he gave. How would Obito listen to "himself" if he never went through that same thing? How would he listen to Kakashi when he's the one who failed him? Obito isn't Nagato, as he said himself. I expect an ObiRin/NaruSaku confirmation being brought up since that is the only way I could see Obito being redeemed. Naruto can't connect to him if he doesn't know what happened, nor could he unless he truly went through the same thing. Now that doesn't mean I believe Sakura will be killed for an ObiRin parallel, but she needs to be involved in this somehow. Obito is getting redemption, so the "Obito" and "Rin" of this generation need to be involved.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 09 October 2013 - 02:03 AM.

[morgaine4]

 

Pain is one of the things that can break a Genjutsu, as shown when Shikamaru broke his thumb to break free of Tayuya's Genjutsu.

 

Yes, but that's inflicting pain to break a genjutsu which IMO is different from initiating a genjutsu to distract from pre-existing pain.

 

 

 

Sakura has the Byakugou seal.  I can't believe it, she's really on par with Tsunade now. Though I'm a little disappointed it was only used to summon Katsuyu, but I don't expect Kishi to just entirely ignore Sakura's new ability either. If she has a summoning contract and the Byakugou technique, then she has the ability to regenerate herself if she gets seriously injured. I don't see Kishi to just not let us see her use this, even if right now their main focus is healing. But I have a minor squabble with Sakura's new power-up. Her training for this was completely off-screen, so it's coming out of nowhere. We didn't even get a glimpse of her signing up for the summoning contract. It just bothers me, I'm disappointed in how heavily Kishimoto focused on Sasuke/Narutos' abilities and only Sakura's until the second to last arc in the series.

 

 

We've never actually seen Sasuke train or sign summon contracts either, and well...I guess we did get some hint that Sakura was specifically training her mind (it was just once, but I'm easy and desperate but it was something that showed she was probably trying to learn/understand theories).  But, I just wanted to point out, that really we never saw the work that Sasuke did (or iwe didn't see much of the work he did, I guess we did see him train for chidori...haha.).

Edited by morgaine4, 09 October 2013 - 02:04 AM.

[rocci]

Kishi only show naruto training so I don't understand what the problem with sakura getting powerup.
Oh that's why I believe there will be the last training arc with naruto learn fuuin jutsu.
Oh and I believe there will be NS chapter in this volume.

[Jake]

@jake
I always see sakura as a caster(genjutsu and maybe ninjutsu), and not a brute fight. Imagine temari with kurenai genjutsu capabilities that's pretty strong. But since she come under tsunade tutelage she become a combat medic(which is good).

 

The problem is she is a Taijutsu fighting like Guy and Lee, she has to preserve her chakra for Medical Ninjutsu, she can't afford to use Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. Sakura uses Taijutsu and Medical Ninjutsu just like Tsunade the same as Naruto relies on Ninjutsu with Taijutsu just like Jiraiya, and Orochimaru relies on strong Ninjutsu and Kenjutsu like Orochimaru.

 

Yes, but that's inflicting pain to break a genjutsu which IMO is different from initiating a genjutsu to distract from pre-existing pain.

 

And if the patient is suffering from pain that comes in waves it would break the Genjutsu.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

We've never actually seen Sasuke train or sign summon contracts either, and well...I guess we did get some hint that Sakura was specifically training her mind (it was just once, but I'm easy and desperate but it was something that showed she was probably trying to learn/understand theories).  But, I just wanted to point out, that really we never saw the work that Sasuke did (or iwe didn't see much of the work he did, I guess we did see him train for chidori...haha.).

 

 

We knew Sasuke training during the timeskip already, so it wasn't a big deal. Obviously, he got the summoning contract at some point. With Sakura, she got sidelined for a long time and we got no mention of her actually training after the Sasori Arc. It wouldn't be a problem if it was just mentioned beforehand, but it never was. So yes, as happy as I am Sakura's finally stronger, it does seem a bit of an asspull (and I say that in the politest way possible). 

 

Most of Sasuke's post-timeskip were haxed and asspulled anyway. And, actually, it way more ridiculous than Sakura's own sudden power-ups.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 09 October 2013 - 03:07 AM.

[harry4e]

Kishi explained how the humans received chakra but never said anything about the animals.

It makes me feel that Madara's explanation is not the whole truth.

 

It's kind of already been explained during Naruto's Sage training, they are gathering Chakra with nature itself, so the plants, soil, the air etc right? I'm completely guessing mind you so I could be completely wrong. Afterall we don't even know how the Juubi came to be, was it a product of growing in an area with a high concentration of Natural Chakra or was the Chakra tainted somehow and turned a regular tree into the massive Chakra plant? I doubt Kishi will go into that much detail.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Please don't tell me this is about Sakura's powerup again...

[morgaine4]

And if the patient is suffering from pain that comes in waves it would break the Genjutsu.

 

Sure, but that's why medics (health professionals) diagnose the problem and act according to a specific situation.  Immense pain and stress can cause a patient on the field to act in a distracting manner, thus prolonging a medic's ability to do zher job.  I'm not saying that it should always be used in every situation, but it stands out to me that it hasn't been used by medics more often, that it isn't part of some routine.

 

 

 

We knew Sasuke training during the timeskip already, so it wasn't a big deal. Obviously, he got the summoning contract at some point. With Sakura, she got sidelined for a long time and we got no mention of her actually training after the Sasori Arc. It wouldn't be a problem if it was just mentioned beforehand, but it never was. So yes, as happy as I am Sakura's finally stronger, it does seem a bit of an asspull (and I say that in the politest way possible). 

 

Most of Sasuke's post-timeskip were haxed and asspulled anyway. And, actually, it way more ridiculous than Sakura's own sudden power-ups.

 

I'm not arguing that it's not a bit of an asspull, since the only person whose training we actually witness is Naruto's IMO everyone else's power-ups come off as asspulls, that's really all I mean to be honest that this isn't at all unique to Sakura (though of course with Sakura it's repeated over and over and over again).

 

But, like you said even though we didn't see it happen, we know that Sasuke was training with Orochimaru over the time-skip and it's logical to assume that he signed the snake contract (or whatever the equivalent of the "contract" is within the snake realm) at that time.  I'm only pointing out that it's logical to assume the same with Sakura, that either the Byakugou is some sort of contract/connection-former between the user and Katsuyu OR that over the time skip when it became clear that Sakura was capable of sort of chakra control required to create the Byakugou, that Tsunade went ahead and had Sakura sign the slug contract.  I'm not claiming that it's not an asspull, just that it's not any more of an asspull than most other characters' power-ups, so I don't see why that shouldn't be overlooked in much the same manner that other power-ups are.

[rocci]

Please don't tell me this is about Sakura's powerup again...

Well to be honest it's interesting
I think I can understand why many disappoint with sakura.
And why there're many sakura hate thread.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well to be honest it's interesting
I think I can understand why many disappoint with sakura.
And why there're many sakura hate thread.

I guess. Well then, carry on.

[Chatte]

 

Okay Chatte, I check with a few sources of mine and many agree that Tsunade is saying that both Sakura and herself are byakugo no jutsu users. Of course nothing is for sure until raws come out. 

 

Also, I just noticed this - both Tsunade and Sakura are summoning with their left hand - I thought Tsunade summons Katsuyu with her right am I wrong?

Yeah that's why I am waiting for the raws because in my opinion, I think they both released the seal not only to summon Katsuyu but to transfer her the Byakugo no Jutsu technique in case the tree affects them. Because as we know, these two are linked.
Hope the raws will clarify that anyway! Thx!

 

As for the summoning, it's weird... back in Part 1, if I recall, you could've summoned with the hand you made a contract with the respective animal. I re-watched the chapter and I remember Naruto made it with his left hand and that's why he summoned with his left, but yesterday when I saw that, I was a bit confused myself.

Edited by Chatte, 09 October 2013 - 05:23 AM.

[Baiken]

Another boring, "build-up" chapter. And building up to what, exactly? Smh. And I'm just thinking about the poor souls who are going to read through the entirety of this War arc. Now that it's been established that the SA are currently death-proof, I hope Kishi stops showing those fodder begging to be saved. Geez. I used to give a damn...I really did. On to Sakura, although I'm happy to see her become an actual major asset to the SA, I'd be lying if I said I was happy about the way her character's being handled. With these latest developments, she's basically become a lesser version Tsunade. What's worse is that Tsunade is kind of undermining Sakura just be being next to her. I doubt she will display more than what was already shown from Tsunade, but I guess I really was expecting too much from her as a heroine. Just wish it could've been handled better. A question: since this chapter came out early....does that mean there's a break next week?

 

 

One crazy thought before I go, but when I saw that last panel of Kurama and Sasuke's Susuanoo fusing, I had the craziest feeling that if that combination works anything like when Madara encased Kurama inside his Susanoo, that Sasuke might attempt to kill Naruto right then and there. No escape.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

 

Sure, but that's why medics (health professionals) diagnose the problem and act according to a specific situation.  Immense pain and stress can cause a patient on the field to act in a distracting manner, thus prolonging a medic's ability to do zher job.  I'm not saying that it should always be used in every situation, but it stands out to me that it hasn't been used by medics more often, that it isn't part of some routine.

 

 

 

I'm not arguing that it's not a bit of an asspull, since the only person whose training we actually witness is Naruto's IMO everyone else's power-ups come off as asspulls, that's really all I mean to be honest that this isn't at all unique to Sakura (though of course with Sakura it's repeated over and over and over again).

 

But, like you said even though we didn't see it happen, we know that Sasuke was training with Orochimaru over the time-skip and it's logical to assume that he signed the snake contract (or whatever the equivalent of the "contract" is within the snake realm) at that time.  I'm only pointing out that it's logical to assume the same with Sakura, that either the Byakugou is some sort of contract/connection-former between the user and Katsuyu OR that over the time skip when it became clear that Sakura was capable of sort of chakra control required to create the Byakugou, that Tsunade went ahead and had Sakura sign the slug contract.  I'm not claiming that it's not an asspull, just that it's not any more of an asspull than most other characters' power-ups, so I don't see why that shouldn't be overlooked in much the same manner that other power-ups are.

 

I understand this. However, it's not any less disappointing. Sakura is a main character. Main character means their abilities should be focused on and foreshadowed a lot more than it was. And I'm not singling her out, it's fairly obvious Sasuke also suffers from this. Though to a much ridiculous extent, given his eye powers. What makes this worse is that Sakura was sidelined the majority of the story, to the point most people believed she was simply a supporting character.

 

I'm not trying to make a big deal out of this, but I don't like Kishi handled this. Sakura's much stronger and I'm extremely happy over it, don't get wrong. I just wish it was executed a lot better. That's my minor beef, not trying to piss anyone off lol.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 09 October 2013 - 06:11 AM.

[rocci]

in shonen manga having the status as a heroine doesn't guarantee you to get the focus of manga.

sakura only getting sidelined in this war arc, since this war arc is a mean to close many character developement.

 

oh and sakura is a main character but not the lead one.

[TouKen4Life3g]

in shonen manga having the status as a heroine doesn't guarantee you to get the focus of manga.
sakura only getting sidelined in this war arc, since this war arc is a mean to close many character developement.
 
oh and sakura is a main character but not the lead one.

That's true. Plus, you got to remember that this is not an adventure one. If it's one short story, you'll get one here and there. If it's one big story, you'll get sidelined time-to-time. If it's an adventure, you'll get time but your character remains untouched. If you don't have the title the protagonist, you won't get that much recognition. If you're not first, you're last.