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[rikakim94]

I swear the more we talk about this the more I am inclined to believe that Sasuke is an asspull generator as he has been the part of or created nearly every asspull in this entire manga. Heck, I could even argue his existence is an asspull in itself as his sole purpose was just to be the rival.

I guess thats what happens when sasuke is kishi's favorite character. Too much forgiveness isn't good especially if it downgrades a characters role or development.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I guess thats what happens when sasuke is kishi's favorite character. Too much forgiveness isn't good especially if it downgrades a characters role or development.

Funny, last time I checked he likes Chouji the most. This guy keeps jumping. Maybe he wants Sasuke to be forgiven in order to draw him more. He did say like he likes to draw him.

[redragon88]

When Sasuke tried to kill Sakura and Kakashi said that Sasuke has crossed the line literally.
Jokes aside.
I feel that Sasuke was the one who crossed the line on the summit arc when he tried to kill Karin sadly he made the reunition with Karin after the stuff a comedic moment, which makes me wonder why keeps making Karin to love Sasuke, i feel that he did that to make NS more stronger.
There are other two girl besides Sakura, Ino has the speech from Asuma(telling her to not lose to Sakura) Karin( is a uzumaki and seems to be more closer than Sasuke and understand him) also for Sakura he kept shoving at her face that her love for Sasuke is bad and she has to move on/love someome else like he also did with Rin and the suspense is that we will never know if she kept loving Kakashi or not.

Or maybe Kishi thinks it's a good idea to have all girls in the end comically seeking Sasuke's attention because he's such a positively great guy. I'm being sarcastic, but there's always that fear in the back of my head that it might be true, even though the chances are monumentally minimal.

I heard Kishi once said that he created the unrequited loves in order for the audience to feel more sympathy for the characters, but it seems that he just doesn't know how far from the realm of realism he took it. I'll try to keep my faith that he'll properly have Sakura and Ino mature regarding their childish feelings, if anything for the sake of Kishi's own daughters. I don't think that it would be a good example for them to see multiple girls giving Sasuke undeserving attention.

[TrueSacrifice]

@Atheck

I don't disagree that fans tend to overinflate the importance of certain characters in various panels. I understand wanting to keep expectations in check. As I even said I don't think Minato's appearance and Sakura's proximity to Naruto are necessarily pairing related.

I don't however think Kishimoto would have him appearing at a moment that Sakura is right next to his son without a reason. Stories do not only have one way of playing out. Naruto could have been doing something else or been separated from Sakura somehow when Minato came in with the save. But no, it shows him exclusively with Sakura healing him when Minato lands right in front of them. If it had been a different character other than Hinata I wouldn't think anything of it, but Sakura is a key figure in the plot and Naruto's closest companion. It makes sense for her to be there. I'm sorry but I just can't take Sakura's appearance for granted when she's been missing from so much of the war and had next to zero time with Naruto during it.

I'd honestly be sweating bullets right now if it was Hinata next to Naruto instead of Sakura when Minato showed up like that.

[Atheck]

I don't however think Kishimoto would have him appearing at a moment that Sakura is right next to his son without a reason.

I assumed the same thing when I initially read Gaara's explanation of the origins of Shukaku. My thoughts were that Kabuto's condition relating to what he referred to as the "old blood" and his discoloured scelra would be addressed some time in the future but that never came to be. Apparently Kishimoto discarded those original concepts and now presumably we should be judging it as if those concepts were never presented. I have the notion in my mind that Kishi will pick and choose what he wants to expand upon whilst disregarding other preestablished material that he may have had.

Sakura's placement next to Naruto the moment Minato arrives was likely not a coincidence though and Kishimoto may perhaps have something in mind. Just don't overlook the possibility that our prospects may result in having been nothing more than misapprehensions.

Stories do not only have one way of playing out. Naruto could have been doing something else or been separated from Sakura somehow when Minato came in with the save. But no, it shows him exclusively with Sakura healing him when Minato lands right in front of them. If it had been a different character other than Hinata I wouldn't think anything of it, but Sakura is a key figure in the plot and Naruto's closest companion. It makes sense for her to be there.

Not necessarily. As I stated previously her being present when Minato arrives could be entirely circumstantial. Kishi may not even have Sakura interact Minato at all. Is that likely, however? Well from what I can gather everyone here believes otherwise (myself included). But don't judge that prospect as absolute for it can and may return to weigh on your mind and heart. I imagine the NH fanbase who became complacent after chapter 615 is experiencing that sensation right now as we speak.

I'm sorry but I just can't take Sakura's appearance for granted when she's been missing from so much of the war and had next to zero time with Naruto during it.

We don't know what Kishi's intentions are. He may be providing this screen time simply as a form of momentary recompense for his neglectful writing when relating to Sakura's character. Or perhaps her appearance is related to Sasuke's eventual emergence onto the battlefield.

Please, I don't mean to sound pessimistic, I'm merely offering a warning that people should not look too deeply into this as it perches their expectations up to plummet into nothingness should they be proven incorrect. We should maintain a cautious attitude when entering into the future chapters.

I'd honestly be sweating bullets right now if it was Hinata next to Naruto instead of Sakura when Minato showed up like that.

This place would be in chaos once again if that occurred.

[HauntedCake]

Well I was playing it backwards for you guys, so your expectations can lower down before feeling upmost disappointment. Nevertheless, it does have that 614 vibe. Well not exact, but the idea that left Naruto and Hinata standing side-by-side before going next chapter did leave potential and regardless that 615 is not truly a romantic moment from both side, mainly Naruto, it still happened with a development for Hinata. We don't know how long Sakura stands by Naruto to heal, but the more it takes, the moment more she's going to get out of, and now, we have Minato's arrival. That's pretty big to start off with. Now everyone is extremely excited, both pairing and general fans, but for now, I'm focusing on pairing fans.

The setup seems so good for NS to make it a win and kill two birds with one stone. That said it's best to keep it low because we can only feel disappointment if you raise the bar too high. Right now, I want everyone to be on a normal bar, where you just wait and see what's next. Yes, the setup seems too perfect, but let's wait on how it plays out.

Naruto would surely fight to be fully acknowledged by Sasuke but would be dumb if he fights just because of that, i think the only reasonable way to have an interesting fight is to keep Sasuke evil, since Sasuke is acting really crazy we'll just have to wait to see, about the Sakura thing i'll wait and keep my expectatives low i dont want to be trolled and i'm hoping to Kishimoto doesnt pull 616 on us.


Yes impossible to decide either way.
The Uchihas seems to be the ones who got hurt the most with bonds good to remember that it was Itachi so he doesnt love Sakura because if he loved her he would not be capable of killing her previously.
I remember that he said he would keep the story exciting which is what he's doing lately putting a lot of things on the air, first was Hinata(NH canon??? got trolled hard)Obito(motives), then later Kakashi(truth about Rin), Sasuke(possible redemption), Kages(coming to the battle), Minato(Interaction with Naruto), Sakura(being shown as a heroine(Hopes to not get trolled with SS moments that would surely kitten up her moment), and so on....

Low expectations... got it

Yeah i'm scared of a 616 reoccuring in the form of sasuke arriving

[James S Cassidy]

Funny, last time I checked he likes Chouji the most. This guy keeps jumping. Maybe he wants Sasuke to be forgiven in order to draw him more. He did say like he likes to draw him.

I don't know, this was still quite a doozy.

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Oh and this

http://sractheninja....okemon-59684795

Edited by James S Cassidy, 17 May 2013 - 10:53 PM.

[Beastbomb]

I don't think Kishi will revert Sakura back to her Part one self. I'm even bold enough to say I believe this next encounter between Sasuke and Sakura will allow her to overcome her feelings for Sasuke. From what I have interpreted since 540 has only improved my confidence that she has begun to see Sasuke for what he truly is and to see that he can not return her love like Naruto would. But, u never know what a writer may do, it's their story.

[六道仙人]

Meh... First the Tenpenchii (which can be translated as "Natural disaster from Heaven and Earth" or simply "Natural disaster"), then this speech from Sakura and at the end Minato arrives just when Sakura is near to Naruto. All this in this one volume. Maybe I'm just going too far but I feel that something freat will happen. Hope it will be positive for us.

Edited by 六道仙人, 17 May 2013 - 11:00 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Low expectations... got it

Yeah i'm scared of a 616 reoccuring in the form of sasuke arriving

Well, to be honest, I kind of want him to show up now so it would seem like NS will get the final laugh. That's why it feels like it's on our side, especially the setup. Sakura vowed to heal him to 100%, Minato is there, and Naruto started out saying dad in front of her. This seems like a lot of good things can happen. Can I be wrong? Yes. Again, it's like a hockey game final, where the team has power play and it's in overtime, where one goal can win them all. Minato can seal it. Until then, it's all guessing game.

I don't know, this was still quite a doozy.

http://sractheninja....-Lives-63271750

Oh and this

http://sractheninja....okemon-59684795

Well, I always considered it as Sasuke's Happy Hour Arc, where he just kills your favorite villains.

[James S Cassidy]

Well, I always considered it as Sasuke's Happy Hour Arc, where he just kills your favorite villains.

Oh yay, two asspulls for the price of one. XD

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think Kishi will revert Sakura back to her Part one self. I'm even bold enough to say I believe this next encounter between Sasuke and Sakura will allow her to overcome her feelings for Sasuke. From what I have interpreted since 540 has only improved my confidence that she has begun to see Sasuke for what he truly is and to see that he can not return her love like Naruto would. But, u never know what a writer may do, it's their story.

Time will tell. It's been a while saying that. But yeah, if you can play the waiting game just a little longer, it's all going to pay off. Whoever last laugh will earn the highest points.

Meh... First the Tenpenchii (which can be translated as "Natural disaster from Heaven and Earth" or simply "Natural disaster"), then this speech from Sakura and at the end Minato arrives just when Sakura is near to Naruto. All this in this one volume. Maybe I'm just going too far but I feel that something freat will happen. Hope it will be positive for us.

I know. It's crazy how it's either a huge coincidence or something big is coming. I don't even know, which is why for this next chapter, I'm not predicting anything so Kishi, surprise me.

Oh yay, two asspulls for the price of one. XD

[redragon88]

I don't think Kishi will revert Sakura back to her Part one self. I'm even bold enough to say I believe this next encounter between Sasuke and Sakura will allow her to overcome her feelings for Sasuke. From what I have interpreted since 540 has only improved my confidence that she has begun to see Sasuke for what he truly is and to see that he can not return her love like Naruto would. But, u never know what a writer may do, it's their story.

But what is your interpretation of what Sasuke truly is? Is it because he's bad?

You have to remember that eventually Sasuke will end up cherishing his bond with Team 7 once again. Sakura's excuse to get over Sasuke shouldn't be that she couldn't get him because he's evil so she goes to Naruto. That's the very reason that Naruto got enraged at Sakura's confession, because she was denying herself what she felt because of Sasuke's evil status.

Sakura should be with Naruto because that's what she wants the most, not just because Sasuke can't return her love. Naruto should never be the silver medal. I'd rather them not be together than just Sakura consoling herself with Naruto.

At this point even I don't know what could Kishi possibly do to have Sakura get over Sasuke when he has been so insistent of her feelings for him ever since the Summit arc. Up until the Pain arc Sakura gave me the impression that she was on a clear road to falling for Naruro, but after that it encountered on speed bump after another. That's also part of the reason why I say that from the Summit arc onwards feels like it was the start of Part 3 of the story (the final act) since it started to give me a very different atmosphere regarding the story flow.

I do think the scene of 540 could make a comeback, but even I can't guess how it would play out since Sasuke will be fighting with the alliance for the time being. I'd find it horrible if Kishi used it as an excuse to portray Sasuke as the great guy just to give an excuse to reignite Sakura's feelings for him. Maybe that's just my frustration talking but I honestly can never guess where Kishi will take Sakura's character ever since the Summit arc, so I don't want to just assume that things will go as planned.

I do hope I can be wrong about all of this and that somehow Sakura begins to make realizations of her feelings. Just saying, I don't see the point of Sakura having this journey of conflicting feelings if at the end she's just going to return to the same starting point. It feels too depressing.

[TouKen4Life3g]

But what is your interpretation of what Sasuke truly is? Is it because he's bad?

You have to remember that eventually Sasuke will end up cherishing his bond with Team 7 once again. Sakura's excuse to get over Sasuke shouldn't be that she couldn't get him because he's evil so she goes to Naruto. That's the very reason that Naruto got enraged at Sakura's confession, because she was denying herself what she felt because of Sasuke's evil status.

Sakura should be with Naruto because that's what she wants the most, not just because Sasuke can't return her love. Naruto should never be the silver medal. I'd rather them not be together than just Sakura consoling herself with Naruto.

At this point even I don't know what could Kishi possibly do to have Sakura get over Sasuke when he has been so insistent of her feelings for him ever since the Summit arc. Up until the Pain arc Sakura gave me the impression that she was on a clear road to falling for Naruro, but after that it encountered on speed bump after another. That's also part of the reason why I say that from the Summit arc onwards feels like it was the start of Part 3 of the story (the final act) since it started to give me a very different atmosphere regarding the story flow.

I do think the scene of 540 could make a comeback, but even I can't guess how it would play out since Sasuke will be fighting with the alliance for the time being. I'd find it horrible if Kishi used it as an excuse to portray Sasuke as the great guy just to give an excuse to reignite Sakura's feelings for him. Maybe that's just my frustration talking but I honestly can never guess where Kishi will take Sakura's character ever since the Summit arc, so I don't want to just assume that things will go as planned.

I do hope I can be wrong about all of this and that somehow Sakura begins to make realizations of her feelings. Just saying, I don't see the point of Sakura having this journey of conflicting feelings if at the end she's just going to return to the same starting point. It feels too depressing.

I understand where you coming from with all this. That said well to me, I feel like Sasuke will play "If they die, they die" guy because regardless if Konoha is saved, that doesn't mean he will save everyone in the battlefield intentionally if you get what I mean. All he cares is stop Madara and that's it. At the very least, he may protect Naruto in order to settle with him once it's over, somewhat similar to Vegeta where he always say the one to defeat him is him.

Well, honestly, I want Sasuke to show up now so it can get over with. Not only that but it will leave NS in a strong advantage, but I digress. Lastly, it's still possible that she can still fall in love with Naruto, even if Sasuke is good or not, because that's truly her feelings, rather than thinking she does. It will be a genuine thing, not something that she should in order to forget Sasuke. So yeah, I do want Sasuke now but maybe because I know it will downplay a lot since Sakura will stay with Naruto, Naruto is with her, causing Sasuke to focus on him mostly, possible him not being alone when appearing, and many more, which is why it's not good to do it now for haters. Of course, it can backfire, but time is ticking to see the result.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 17 May 2013 - 11:35 PM.

[TrueSacrifice]

Not necessarily. As I stated previously her being present when Minato arrives could be entirely circumstantial. Kishi may not even have Sakura interact Minato at all. Is that likely, however? Well from what I can gather everyone here believes otherwise (myself included). But don't judge that prospect as absolute for it can and may return to weigh on your mind and heart.I imagine the NH fanbase who became complacent after chapter 615 is experiencing that sensation right now as we speak.

Barring some interruption, Minato is going to have words with his son. Will he simply ignore the person standing behind Naruto healing him? I very much doubt it. Besides she already heard Naruto call the 4th "dad."

As for the NH fans after 615, it's just too bad their pairing didn't have as much to stand on as NaruSaku. Complacency shouldn't be in their vocabulary. Anything less than a mutual declaration of love should not be taken as proof of a canon relationship.

Wasn't it said somewhere that a fan wanted Hinata to get her chance with Naruto and Kishimoto agreed with that fan? Well I think 615 was that chance. Hinata is a popular character so Kishimoto probably felt her fans needed some love and 615 happened. Unfortunately for him fanservice is trolling unless you go the whole way according to pairing fans and it supposedly backfired.

We don't know what Kishi's intentions are. He may be providing this screen time simply as a form of momentary recompense for his neglectful writing when relating to Sakura's character. Or perhaps her appearance is related to Sasuke's eventual emergence onto the battlefield.

I do think that she's becoming more prominent because Sasuke is coming but not solely because of that.

[bthug]

@Inferno180
@Atheck

Thanks guys, yea its weird Kishi would just leave Sakura out of those chapters, not even an appearance in the back.
Also I find it interesting the way you word the answer to the second question Atheck. Seems you think theirs a reason to why Sakura is in the panel in which Minato shows up, makes perfect sense to me.

Does Sakura know about Minato?

[Beastbomb]

But what is your interpretation of what Sasuke truly is? Is it because he's bad?

You have to remember that eventually Sasuke will end up cherishing his bond with Team 7 once again. Sakura's excuse to get over Sasuke shouldn't be that she couldn't get him because he's evil so she goes to Naruto. That's the very reason that Naruto got enraged at Sakura's confession, because she was denying herself what she felt because of Sasuke's evil status.

Sakura should be with Naruto because that's what she wants the most, not just because Sasuke can't return her love. Naruto should never be the silver medal. I'd rather them not be together than just Sakura consoling herself with Naruto.

At this point even I don't know what could Kishi possibly do to have Sakura get over Sasuke when he has been so insistent of her feelings for him ever since the Summit arc. Up until the Pain arc Sakura gave me the impression that she was on a clear road to falling for Naruro, but after that it encountered on speed bump after another. That's also part of the reason why I say that from the Summit arc onwards feels like it was the start of Part 3 of the story (the final act) since it started to give me a very different atmosphere regarding the story flow.

I do think the scene of 540 could make a comeback, but even I can't guess how it would play out since Sasuke will be fighting with the alliance for the time being. I'd find it horrible if Kishi used it as an excuse to portray Sasuke as the great guy just to give an excuse to reignite Sakura's feelings for him. Maybe that's just my frustration talking but I honestly can never guess where Kishi will take Sakura's character ever since the Summit arc, so I don't want to just assume that things will go as planned.

I do hope I can be wrong about all of this and that somehow Sakura begins to make realizations of her feelings. Just saying, I don't see the point of Sakura having this journey of conflicting feelings if at the end she's just going to return to the same starting point. It feels too depressing.

To be honest, I never thought that she forgot her feelings for Sasuke and her confession confirmed that for me. But the murders attempts and 540 is, in my opinion, a game changer for Sakura. It's the first time she has ever seen Sasuke in a negative light.

Sasuke will become good (unfortunately, wish they would kill him by now). I hate Sasuke's character. I've hated his character ever since he has been introduced. He's superiority complex, hatred, and uncaring an utter abuse towards characters like Sakura (I hate it when men a jerks to women, the hospital scene where he slapped the tray out of Sakura's hands made me hate Sasuke's character for life). It's probably my bias towards his character that affects my views on him and why I can't stand the SS relationship.

Edited by Beastbomb, 17 May 2013 - 11:54 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Barring some interruption, Minato is going to have words with his son. Will he simply ignore the person standing behind Naruto healing him? I very much doubt it. Besides she already heard Naruto call the 4th "dad."

As for the NH fans after 615, it's just too bad their pairing didn't have as much to stand on as NaruSaku. Complacency shouldn't be in their vocabulary. Anything less than a mutual declaration of love should not be taken as proof of a canon relationship.

Wasn't it said somewhere that a fan wanted Hinata to get her chance with Naruto and Kishimoto agreed with that fan? Well I think 615 was that chance. Hinata is a popular character so Kishimoto probably felt her fans needed some love and 615 happened. Unfortunately for him fanservice is trolling unless you go the whole way according to pairing fans and it supposedly backfired.



I do think that she's becoming more prominent because Sasuke is coming but not solely because of that.

I do agree about the whole situation. I think it's no coincidence that Minato shows up now. Kishi usually plans it to make a chain reaction, much like having Hyuuga being in front in order to bring Hinata to get her development, as well as Neji, who also connects to Lee. Exactly what does this mean for the current situation? No idea but that's where the fun is at.

Look, if Sakura didnt do what she's doing now or that speech, then I would say that her purpose was for Sasuke, but this is building up to be the high focus on Team 7. Again, volume 64 was made for side characters and it's been clear now that these chapters are really making that way.

@Inferno180
@Atheck

Thanks guys, yea its weird Kishi would just leave Sakura out of those chapters, not even an appearance in the back.
Also I find it interesting the way you word the answer to the second question Atheck. Seems you think theirs a reason to why Sakura is in the panel in which Minato shows up, makes perfect sense to me.

Does Sakura know about Minato?

We are about to find out soon. If she learns it for the first time here, then yeah, it's the first time. Otherwise, you can say the movie is canon, or at least the status of these characters' mentality.

[Atheck]

Barring some interruption, Minato is going to have words with his son. Will he simply ignore the person standing behind Naruto healing him? I very much doubt it. Besides she already heard Naruto call the 4th "dad."

Why not? They're presently in the midst of a full scale conflict against the two most powerful entities to ever exist (excluding the Sot6P). It isn't as if they have much time to have a conversation with each other as the Jubi is continually attacking the alliance forces. As much as I begrudge the prospect I somewhat anticipate the other Kages and Sasuke to appear next to Naruto or Minato at the beginning of the next chapter. They should not be that far away and considering the sudden appearances of all these characters, Orochimaru probably being the most notable to the alliance , they may have little to no personal interaction at all.

My perspective may be of a pessimistic nature but I feel that it allows the reader to prepare themselves emotionally should events take an unsought turn. Furthermore, at this point, having experienced Kishi's writing for at least several years now, some of us should be able to infer that disappointment of this calibre isn't beyond the author's capabilities.

You can maintain the absoluteness of your expectations if you want but don't be surprised if events do not play out in the manner in which you want them to.

As for the NH fans after 615, it's just too bad their pairing didn't have as much to stand on as NaruSaku. Complacency shouldn't be in their vocabulary. Anything less than a mutual declaration of love should not be taken as proof of a canon relationship.

I agree, but they have resolved themselves to NH's "inevitability" so extremely that anything less than what you suggested relating to a declaration would be looked upon as an affront to their interpretation of the manga's canonicity. They would presumably spiral into insanity as they harshly berate the events and declare that they are inferior to what they believe is the "true pairing".

Wasn't it said somewhere that a fan wanted Hinata to get her chance with Naruto and Kishimoto agreed with that fan? Well I think 615 was that chance. Hinata is a popular character so Kishimoto probably felt her fans needed some love and 615 happened. Unfortunately for him fanservice is trolling unless you go the whole way according to pairing fans and it supposedly backfired.

That quotation was from several years before and since then there have been numerous events that have strongly intimated Kishi's emphasis of maintaining his word to depict Hinata "getting her chance". However, as with many of Kishi's statements, they're ambiguous in nature and only at the expense of time can we understand what his intentions were when he made that statement. Was he suggesting that Hinata would only be provided the opportunity to confess her feelings and hold Naruto's hand temporarily before being permanently expropriated of her longing to be in a relationship with Naruto? Or did he intend for Hinata's opportunity to result in an abrupt romantic victory for herself with Naruto becoming enamoured with her?

There will be no resolution to these inquiries until the end. We can create as many theories as we want whilst providing as much evidence as we can muster. Does NH have more interaction and depth to reinforce that it is the more developed relationship? I would contest that it does not and that NS has received much more focus romantically but our sentiments are irrelevant when addressing the issue of what Kishi's intentions are. Only he himself is aware of what the manga's conclusion will be like. But please, if you want, continue to maintain your expectations as they do provide hope, whether they are accurate or misguided is unknown, during these tumultuous periods.

I do think that she's becoming more prominent because Sasuke is coming but not solely because of that.

We will see in time what Kishi intends for her.

[bthug]

Fornever world just posted a video asking if Sakura is a terrible character? And I must say as he is a NH shipper, he did a pretty good job, granted a few misconceptions here and there.