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#201 rocci

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:55 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ May 15 2013, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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That person is clearly hurt all over because they know how significant it was for Sakura to be the one transmitting Naruto's wishes to the alliance. It shows how much Sakura wants the world to realize that Naruto is worthy of becoming the great leader and Hokage that he's meant to be.

And about Sakura reacting to Sasuke, tell us something we don't know. Of course she has to react to Sasuke, she can't get with Naruto before dealing with Sasuke. But it seems that person has the believe that maybe Sasuke will talk to Sakura for an entire chapter or something and that they'll have epic tender moments. Get real.

I bet Sasuke just reveals himself, and says that for now he'll help but to not get any strange ideas about him, and all of this is mainly directed at Naruto. Then he goes to fight and barely notices Sakura. The end.

No, he will give her a red rosé, while genjutsu the entire kunoichi in the battlefield(Hinata include).

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 11:59 AM

QUOTE (rocci @ May 15 2013, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, he will give her a red rosé, while genjutsu the entire kunoichi in the battlefield(Hinata include).

I bet Charasuke could solo the Juubi just by being pretty. Blinding it with his bishounen sparkle. laugh.gif

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:02 PM

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I bet Charasuke could solo the Juubi just by being pretty. Blinding it with his bishounen sparkle. laugh.gif


Somebody needs to make fanart of that laugh.gif .

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:05 PM

Did you guys noticed that what happened in RTN is acutally more or less coming to reality in the manga? wink.gif
@reddragon: yeah, I know, I was just piiiiiiiiiiissed so much when I heard it's degrading for her character. WTF?!

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ May 15 2013, 03:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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That person is clearly hurt all over because they know how significant it was for Sakura to be the one transmitting Naruto's wishes to the alliance. It shows how much Sakura wants the world to realize that Naruto is worthy of becoming the great leader and Hokage that he's meant to be.

And about Sakura reacting to Sasuke, tell us something we don't know. Of course she has to react to Sasuke, she can't get with Naruto before dealing with Sasuke. But it seems that person has the believe that maybe Sasuke will talk to Sakura for an entire chapter or something and that they'll have epic tender moments. Get real.

I bet Sasuke just reveals himself, and says that for now he'll help but to not get any strange ideas about him, and all of this is mainly directed at Naruto. Then he goes to fight and barely notices Sakura. The end.


This^ it's how exactly how I see it's going to turn out. He will have his attention to Naruto only and hardly paying any attention to Sakura. However SS fans see it that he will arrive to the battlefield saves her life and then confess that he loves her, honestly. facepalm.png
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#206 Atheck

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE (Dkey @ May 15 2013, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nice post.

Regarding the doton thing, I assume it relates to the word shape manipulation. There is where the affinity part comes in.

Because the way things were going before the training Kakashi could use 1000 jutsus, and all shared different elements.

So probably anyone can use a elemental specific technique if he knows the seals. Sasuke and any other Uchiha could use the fire breath even thou they had different afinities.
Maybe A's and the third Raikage's lightning armor is simpler to do than Sasuke's or Kakashi's chidori. All shinobi could do simple shapes or just generate the effect while only someone with affinity can shape it.


I suppose that makes sense but I still can't help but feel that Kishi is cheapening the worth of elemental ninjutsu and affinity with everyone proving capable of creating perfectly these barriers of earth without any imperfections or difficulties being implied. It's similar to the situation from P1 where Tobirama's ability to use Suiton without any nearby sources was held in high regard but now since P2 started it's par for the course of anyone who can use water elemental ninjutsu.

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Shikamaru asked Kitsuchi the handseal formula for simple doton barriers. Ninjas, from a very young age were taught how to knead chakra with handseals If you can get the formula, you can use the jutsu. The effectiveness vary from person to person, but they can still create the barriers with the basic kneading technique. What makes Shikamaru's plan more effective is that there's enough quantity of Shinobi to slow down the Bijuudama.


What you are referencing is referred to as shape transformation. Basically, it's the altering of movement and composition of one's chakra to forge it into any specific size, range, application, and momentum for a jutsu. They learned the basics of these precepts when they were at the academy.

Nature transformation, the usage of elements, is an entirely different process where one is required to convert and then mould their chakra into a natural element, thereby changing its very nature and properties. There's a reason that Naruto and Sasuke, when they were training to perfect their respective elements, were having such a difficult time in the process. It's an advanced form of chakra control which only a handful of people are capable of using to any practical degree. At least that was the implication back during P1. Even now though I don't believe that there have been many people depicted of being capable of using elemental ninjutsu who are below the rank of Jonin. The only exceptions are Sasuke (part of a clan who possesses an extremely powerful doujutsu and highly advanced combat skills), Naruto (also part of a powerful clan and he also has Kurama to provide him with chakra), Temari (considered to be incredibly gifted and is one of the best Futon users in the manga), and Omoi (who apparently only knows "a little).

I'm probably missing a few people but the general idea seems to be that elemental usage is difficult to grasp and it's mostly just the elite and gifted who are capable of using it.

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The Futon training drill Naruto went through was for effectiveness.


Really? Apart from the FRS it's very likely that Naruto has virtually no comprehension of his element or how to manipulate it into different forms excluding that small Fuuton Rasengan that he displayed when arriving to assist Kakashi against Kakuzu. Naruto's one elemental attack is very effective but that's all he has. I wouldn't exactly call him a knowledgeable or experienced user of the elements.

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But what Shikamaru's aiming here is the quantity. It doesn't matter if one's doton is weak compared to the others (as said person never went through the doton training regiment) but with the basic kneading method, they can still use and create it, disregarding the strength of the walls.


I addressed this two points above.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:10 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ May 15 2013, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you guys noticed that what happened in RTN is acutally more or less coming to reality in the manga? wink.gif
@reddragon: yeah, I know, I was just piiiiiiiiiiissed so much when I heard it's degrading for her character. WTF?!

If that true than i will wait for the longest date ever. wink.gif

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:20 PM

QUOTE (rocci @ May 15 2013, 12:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If that true than i will wait for the longest date ever. wink.gif

Preach!
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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:22 PM

QUOTE (Atheck @ May 15 2013, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I suppose that makes sense but I still can't help but feel that Kishi is cheapening the worth of elemental ninjutsu and affinity with everyone proving capable of creating perfectly these barriers of earth without any imperfections or difficulties being implied. It's similar to the situation from P1 where Tobirama's ability to use Suiton without any nearby sources was held in high regard but now since P2 started it's par for the course of anyone who can use water elemental ninjutsu.



What you are referencing is referred to as shape transformation. Basically, it's the altering of movement and composition of one's chakra to forge it into any specific size, range, application, and momentum for a jutsu. They learned the basics of these precepts when they were at the academy.

Nature transformation, the usage of elements, is an entirely different process where one is required to convert and then mould their chakra into a natural element, thereby changing its very nature and properties. There's a reason that Naruto and Sasuke, when they were training to perfect their respective elements, were having such a difficult time in the process. It's an advanced form of chakra control which only a handful of people are capable of using to any practical degree. At least that was the implication back during P1. Even now though I don't believe that there have been many people depicted of being capable of using elemental ninjutsu who are below the rank of Jonin. The only exceptions are Sasuke (part of a clan who possesses an extremely powerful doujutsu and highly advanced combat skills), Naruto (also part of a powerful clan and he also has Kurama to provide him with chakra), Temari (considered to be incredibly gifted and is one of the best Futon users in the manga), and Omoi (who apparently only knows "a little).

I'm probably missing a few people but the general idea seems to be that elemental usage is difficult to grasp and it's mostly just the elite and gifted who are capable of using it.



Really? Apart from the FRS it's very likely that Naruto has virtually no comprehension of his element or how to manipulate it into different forms excluding that small Fuuton Rasengan that he displayed when arriving to assist Kakashi against Kakuzu. Naruto's one elemental attack is very effective but that's all he has. I wouldn't exactly call him a knowledgeable or experienced user of the elements.



I addressed this two points above.


To be fair.... I didn't see Dkey's post above since I was still typing out my response. If I had seen it beforehand, I probably wouldn't have posted what I just said since Dkey's idea is better than mine.

But as for the bolded, I don't understand where you're going with this. What I meant here was that say you have an Uchiha with earth affinity copying Naruto's FRS without the proper wind element manipulation training that Naruto went through. Sure, he can copy it, but can he really beat Naruto's original FRS who, by the way, has undergone the proper element manipulation training?? I don't think so. Why?? because with the proper training he went through, his is much more powerful. Same thing with the Alliance here.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:24 PM

Btw, has anyone noticed how in part 1, in group pictures Sakura has been featured next to Sasuke yet, in part 2 she's always featured next to Naruto...

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:36 PM

I was curious what forneverworld had to say about this chapter. I really regret that decision.

If you thought that Sawyer was biased, he doesn't even begin to compare with this guy. I'm actually a little disgusted. Instead of giving her some credit as Naruto's teammate he goes "get out Sakura, it's naruhina time". This guy is really among the most pathetic I've ever seen.

Edited by redragon88, 15 May 2013 - 12:37 PM.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:40 PM

I will just wait for TL's review, like a boss. Also there was something I wanted to add of the things I remembered but I forgot. O_O Dayuum!

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:41 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ May 15 2013, 08:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But as for the bolded, I don't understand where you're going with this.


My point was Naruto having an affinity for Futon doesn't necessarily make him an expert on the concept of how to use it. He combined the shape manipulation of Rasengan with the properties of nature transformation to create FRS. It isn't even a new technique really, the basis is still Rasengan, Naruto just applies Futon to it in order to create the circular ring of elemental chakra that we see encompassing it. Oh, and I suppose there's the benefit of it being applicable at long distances, but has he even used it as a projectile when he wasn't in SM or KM?

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What I meant here was that say you have an Uchiha with earth affinity copying Naruto's FRS without the proper wind element manipulation training that Naruto went through. Sure, he can copy it, but can he really beat Naruto's original FRS who, by the way, has undergone the proper element manipulation training??


Naruto's FRS may be more powerful but considering his simple minded perspective I would say that the Uchiha will eventually develop a much better understanding of the properties of Futon, including its strengths/weaknesses, than Naruto. The Uchiha could develop a repertoire of Futon ninjutsu intended for all aspects of combat (offensive, defense, supplemental, ranged, and ect.) and considering that the Uchiha are renowned for becoming efficient combatants I would say that the Uchiha would become quite powerful in Futon usage. But even then Naruto would still be superior to them with his one technique and so you now have the old issue of comparing quality against quantity. Naruto has the quality Fuuton ninjutsu but he's quite ignorant of the topic whereas the Uchiha may have a great understanding of how the element works precisely which could provide him with a benefit in combat as well as a versatile moveset of Futon ninjutsu.

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I don't think so. Why?? because with the proper training he went through, his is much more powerful. Same thing with the Alliance here.


My grievances have to do with ninja on the battlefield, primarily the K8, who have expressed no implications whatsoever of having even a basic comprehension of nature transformation. It isn't the simplicity of the jutsu that's in question here, it's them being being able to use elements at all when they have not been provided with any tutelage as to how to use it; remember what I said about nature and shape manipulation being two different concepts.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:43 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ May 15 2013, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Btw, has anyone noticed how in part 1, in group pictures Sakura has been featured next to Sasuke yet, in part 2 she's always featured next to Naruto...


Sakura had developed her feelings as she grew. Same as her love life.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:53 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ May 15 2013, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will just wait for TL's review, like a boss. Also there was something I wanted to add of the things I remembered but I forgot. O_O Dayuum!

You could also check out EdoTheTalker. He likes Sakura's character overall. He says that he dislikes some things about her (can't really blame him) but that overall he likes her.

He prefers NS but says that would he be fine with NH. But when it comes to SS he literally says "kitten that kitten." laugh.gif

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:57 PM

as always, NF is just pathetic by bashing Sakura.... I can't deal with this....

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:59 PM

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as always, NF is just pathetic by bashing Sakura.... I can't deal with this....


They're having a s***storm already! laugh.gif

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:02 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ May 15 2013, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Btw, has anyone noticed how in part 1, in group pictures Sakura has been featured next to Sasuke yet, in part 2 she's always featured next to Naruto...

I always thought of Sakura as the one in the middle. tongue.gif

QUOTE (redragon88 @ May 15 2013, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was curious what forneverworld had to say about this chapter. I really regret that decision.

If you thought that Sawyer was biased, he doesn't even begin to compare with this guy. I'm actually a little disgusted. Instead of giving her some credit as Naruto's teammate he goes "get out Sakura, it's naruhina time". This guy is really among the most pathetic I've ever seen.

I know. I already saw through it. ninja.gif Check out his review for episode 305, the one with Hinata and the fireworks. XD

I actually like Sawyer. He Doesn't Write Like This, he's no thumbs up for everything and he's more than a recaper with a "have an awesome day" at the end. ^^ Unlike Forneverworld, I actually think Sawyer is able to give Sakura a chance.

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Btw..about that SS fan.

This was a NS bonding moment. It wasn't a romantic moment, no romance on the battlefield. Who said that? It just gave us even more reason to like them as friends/couple/comrades, anything. The pairing that will ruin Sakura is SasuSaku.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (sushi. @ May 15 2013, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I always thought about Sakura like the one in the middle. tongue.gif


I know. I already saw through it. ninja.gif Check out his review for episode 305, the one with Hinata and the fireworks. XD

I actually like Sawyer. He Doesn't Write Like This, he's no thumbs up for everything and he's more than a recaper with a "have an awesome day" at the end. ^^ Unlike Forneverworld, I actually think Sawyer is able to give Sakura a chance.

I tried to see his review of episode 305 but stopped after the first 10 seconds. I guess you can figure out why.

And you're right, Sawyer might prefer Hinata but I remember that he once said that if done right he could give Sakura a chance. I'm sure he won't bash her like that. At least I hope so.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 01:14 PM

QUOTE (六道仙人 @ May 15 2013, 06:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
as always, NF is just pathetic by bashing Sakura.... I can't deal with this....



So the NH fans and Sakura bashers are having a meltdown.


I wonder what they're saying now. I'm inclined to look but I don't need my IQ points dropping by searching through that crap.
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