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[AzureWaters]

I agree with you, it is a big statement. My comment was meant to point out that it shouldn't be brushed off, so I'm not sure why you've replied this way XD

I was agreeing with your perspective. xD

[Grace]

I was agreeing with your perspective. xD

Oh. Well then XD

[CynMichi]

Oh yes, standing together at the foreground with no chakra cloak while everyone behind them does--truly, this shows exactly how much she's just like everyone else here. And please, if this was a cover of Naruto holding Sakura's hand I doubt there would be calls of "it's just marketing!" like there are now. The panel of them holding hands was apparently a big enough deal that Kishimoto decided to put it on the cover; if he'd just been trying to stir up pairing drama, why not draw Naruto with both Hinata and Sakura? Why repeat what's already happened in the volume--but with added focus and detail?

@RtN: We ended up with more filler that doesn't have any pertinence to the manga's plot?

Of course I'm being optimistic about the pairing I've chosen if I wasn't pro narusaku, I wouldn't be here at all! And ...yes if there is a volume with narusaku or sasusaku on the front it IS ALSO marketing! You're toying with all the fanbases to pique interest, negative or no. It's the same reason magazines and books catering to a certain demographic place eye catchers on their covers, that second of curiosity may sell that merchandise.

Repeating focus is not what the cover is meant to do, it is a highlight.....and yes that handhold was a big moment....for ALL fan bases whether it inspired hope for naruhina and sasusaku or rage for narusaku. That doesn't mean it's necessarily romantic, it inspired lots of conversation so why not use it to sell the manga. Those who like naruhina will buy the volume just for the cover, the same way any other fan base would for their ship.

As for her not being in the background like everyone else ....your right she is standing out .....because she is moving forward in character progress and is no longer shy and hiding behind a tree. People like to make 615 all about pairing when Hinata did have some good character development. She did not stutter talking to Naruto, in fact she slapped him....good for her! It's about time Hinata learned to step up, this shows her coming into her own to stand beside Naruto ....so she has a CHANCE to win his affection. He hardly notices her prior to this. Does this mean they might become a couple? Possible, but until the cards are on the table all sides in no one knows they just pull for their pairing and hope for their desired ending.

RtN is a movie I understand it doesn't count in the overall manga but it shows Kishi is a troll. How long did the manga draw out the Tobi thing causing all sorts of turmoil. Kishi likes to fake people out ...which is why I don't take this cover seriously.

[Slextrem]

There's a lot of "oh well it doesn't really mean anything"s going on when honestly that cover makes a pretty big statement.

Remember when a few of us thought 616 would have a NaruHina related color page? This is much worse.

Don't judge a book by it's cover. We already know what this "big statement" amounted to in the manga itself. Hinata still loves Naruto and Naruto held hands with her because he was following a plan. Could he possibly love her? Sure. Could NaruHina blossom from this? Yeah. Does the cover make NaruHina any closer to being canon than it was when 615 was released? No. There is nothing to panic over that we haven't already panicked about.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Of course I'm being optimistic about the pairing I've chosen if I wasn't pro narusaku, I wouldn't be here at all! And ...yes if there is a volume with narusaku or sasusaku on the front it IS ALSO marketing! You're toying with all the fanbases to pique interest, negative or no. It's the same reason magazines and books catering to a certain demographic place eye catchers on their covers, that second of curiosity may sell that merchandise.

Repeating focus is not what the cover is meant to do, it is a highlight.....and yes that handhold was a big moment....for ALL fan bases whether it inspired hope for naruhina and sasusaku or rage for narusaku. That doesn't mean it's necessarily romantic, it inspired lots of conversation so why not use it to sell the manga. Those who like naruhina will buy the volume just for the cover, the same way any other fan base would for their ship.

As for her not being in the background like everyone else ....your right she is standing out .....because she is moving forward in character progress and is no longer shy and hiding behind a tree. People like to make 615 all about pairing when Hinata did have some good character development. She did not stutter talking to Naruto, in fact she slapped him....good for her! It's about time Hinata learned to step up, this shows her coming into her own to stand beside Naruto ....so she has a CHANCE to win his affection. He hardly notices her prior to this. Does this mean they might become a couple? Possible, but until the cards are on the table all sides in no one knows they just pull for their pairing and hope for their desired ending.

RtN is a movie I understand it doesn't count in the overall manga but it shows Kishi is a troll. How long did the manga draw out the Tobi thing causing all sorts of turmoil. Kishi likes to fake people out ...which is why I don't take this cover seriously.

The problem is she never give any hints that would act thsi way and worse her development "once again" was towards Naruto, she does not have a development from her own, the whole part 2 she just got inserted out from nowhere, i cant understand the part were Naruto's team went to search out for Sasuke and they inserted Hinata's team just to put her close to Naruto to do anything other than "Naruto-kun", the fact is that her developments leads to nowhere, she would step up by herself if she does care about her duties and her clan more than Naruto and in fact that Neji's death has not a real effect on her just because Naruto was sad.
Sakura,Kakashi,Gai and the others felt his death while Hinata don't, Lee cried to death because of Neji's death which was his rival.

And the worse fact is everyone having a hard time to defend themselves and she once again only thinking about Naruto.
She's worse than Sakura lately, last parts that Sakura shows up it's something regarded to her feelings and Naruto or Sasuke but Hinata she didnt even got a mini-arc of her own it's just Naruto,when Hinata shows up it's certain that you will read "Naruto-kun".

Another proof, Aliance arrives Kakashi and Gai obviously injured and in need of medical help she says "Naruto-kun are you alright?"

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 12:40 AM.

[Grace]

Of course I'm being optimistic about the pairing I've chosen if I wasn't pro narusaku, I wouldn't be here at all! And ...yes if there is a volume with narusaku or sasusaku on the front it IS ALSO marketing! You're toying with all the fanbases to pique interest, negative or no. It's the same reason magazines and books catering to a certain demographic place eye catchers on their covers, that second of curiosity may sell that merchandise.

Repeating focus is not what the cover is meant to do, it is a highlight.....and yes that handhold was a big moment....for ALL fan bases whether it inspired hope for naruhina and sasusaku or rage for narusaku. That doesn't mean it's necessarily romantic, it inspired lots of conversation so why not use it to sell the manga. Those who like naruhina will buy the volume just for the cover, the same way any other fan base would for their ship.

As for her not being in the background like everyone else ....your right she is standing out .....because she is moving forward in character progress and is no longer shy and hiding behind a tree. People like to make 615 all about pairing when Hinata did have some good character development. She did not stutter talking to Naruto, in fact she slapped him....good for her! It's about time Hinata learned to step up, this shows her coming into her own to stand beside Naruto ....so she has a CHANCE to win his affection. He hardly notices her prior to this. Does this mean they might become a couple? Possible, but until the cards are on the table all sides in no one knows they just pull for their pairing and hope for their desired ending.

RtN is a movie I understand it doesn't count in the overall manga but it shows Kishi is a troll. How long did the manga draw out the Tobi thing causing all sorts of turmoil. Kishi likes to fake people out ...which is why I don't take this cover seriously.

e____e My point wasn't that it wouldn't be marketing if it was another pairing--my point was that if it was NaruSaku, there wouldn't be anyone crying "bullsh**" here. There would be squealing and celebration, not debate and discussion over whether or not it really meant something that the two characters held hands on the cover of a manga volume.

Aaaand again: if this was Naruto and Sakura, we wouldn't even be having this discussion about whether or not it's romantic. It is a big moment for all of the pairing fandoms (as you've admitted), because it's construed as a romantic gesture (which you refuse to acknowledge).

So this is meant to just be about her character developing? Then why not a picture of just Hinata with a determined expression on her face? Why specifically the image of her having her hand held by Naruto (because let's keep in mind that it wasn't Hinata that initiated that). Look, I'm not going to debate the pairings themselves here with you, or the development each may have had--I'm insisting that you're refusing to acknowledge that this image is not just about Hinata as a character. It's not just a marketing ploy. It's highlighting a moment from the manga that was very implicative of possible romance. The fact that Kishimoto chose to use that moment as the focus of this cover is interesting, and means more than just "he's very a sneaky pairing troll".

Did you really need RtN to prove that Kishi's a troll? e____e

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

e____e My point wasn't that it wouldn't be marketing if it was another pairing--my point was that if it was NaruSaku, there wouldn't be anyone crying "bullsh**" here. There would be squealing and celebration, not debate and discussion over whether or not it really meant something that the two characters held hands on the cover of a manga volume.

Aaaand again: if this was Naruto and Sakura, we wouldn't even be having this discussion about whether or not it's romantic. It is a big moment for all of the pairing fandoms (as you've admitted), because it's construed as a romantic gesture (which you refuse to acknowledge).

So this is meant to just be about her character developing? Then why not a picture of just Hinata with a determined expression on her face? Why specifically the image of her having her hand held by Naruto (because let's keep in mind that it wasn't Hinata that initiated that). Look, I'm not going to debate the pairings themselves here with you, or the development each may have had--I'm insisting that you're refusing to acknowledge that this image is not just about Hinata as a character. It's not just a marketing ploy. It's highlighting a moment from the manga that was very implicative of possible romance. The fact that Kishimoto chose to use that moment as the focus of this cover is interesting, and means more than just "he's very a sneaky pairing troll".

Did you really need RtN to prove that Kishi's a troll? e____e

NaruSaku would be already canon because if with Yamato's speech it hasnt gotten.

There was no other moment to choose to highlight the 64 cover.
I would say he's a troll not using the movie but the cover of the One Shot was really a troll people freaked out more about that one-shot than this cover.
with or without cover didnt change my opinion that NaruHina is dead with reasons that i posted on another thread.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 12:49 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

We're up to page 10 on a Volume Cover thread. What do you think?

I'm assuming everyone open old wounds then. Oh boy. I'm just waiting until the battle ends to give my final judgment. If everyone back in yellow or worse, then fine. I can't do much anymore, regardless of how many times I have to repeat myself. Look, I know no one is right at the moment, but it is clear that the last volume was focused on friendships. Does that mean it rules out NH or confirm NH? There's no final answer to it yet. Your final is any moments that really negates NH as a romantic couple, rather than friends. I know this arc goes on forever, but if there's another arc or heck even get out of this battle, surely everything will be much smoother. It's clustered because of the amount of focus and I know Kishi wants to get rid of them ASAP, but there are too many, so he has too much time to do so. It's bad, but if you want everyone to have a sealed ending, well got to go through with this first.

You know, if I was evil, I would say "If I'm right, I want everyone to bow down to me and hail me," but I'm not that kind of guy. But I do want to say this is rather boring to panic. Actually, no way anyone can tell me otherwise, but it's confirmed in my eyes: NH is the biggest threat to NS. No ifs or buts. If you get rid of NH, it's too obvious who's the winner. Much like when Madara was revived, Obito was like 99.9%. Basically what I'm saying is wait until everything is done. When it is, I will go e my final thoughts and I will either admit defeat or grand victory.

[rocci]

NaruSaku would be already canon because if with Yamato's speech it hasnt gotten.

There was no other moment to choose to highlight the 64 cover.
I would say he's a troll not using the movie but the cover of the One Shot was really a troll people freaked out more about that one-shot than this cover.
with or without cover didnt change my opinion that NaruHina is dead with reasons that i posted on another thread.

i will not say nh dead, yet. but if naruto said he love sakura again, than i will say nh is dead.

[CynMichi]

The problem is she never give any hints that would act thsi way and worse her development "once again" was towards Naruto, she does not have a development from her own, the whole part 2 she just got inserted out from nowhere, i cant understand the part were Naruto's team went to search out for Sasuke and they inserted Hinata's team just to put her close to Naruto to do anything other than "Naruto-kun", the fact is that her developments leads to nowhere, she would step up by herself if she does care about her duties and her clan more than Naruto and in fact that Neji's death has not a real effect on her just because Naruto was sad.
Sakura,Kakashi,Gai and the others felt his death while Hinata don't, Lee cried to death because of Neji's death which was his rival.

And the worse fact is everyone having a hard time to defend themselves and she once again only thinking about Naruto.
She's worse than Sakura lately, last parts that Sakura shows up it's something regarded to her feelings and Naruto or Sasuke but Hinata she didnt even got a mini-arc of her own it's just Naruto, if she shows up it's certain that you will read "Naruto-kun".

I agree with you her development is Naruto-centric which I don't like. It reminds me of Sakura from the beginning always about "Sasuke-kun" she truly was annoying! I didn't even start really liking Sakura until Shippuden to be honest.

Hinata's character is still in that selfish stage Sakura was in part 1. I truly feel like we're watching Hinata follow in Sakuras footsteps. Sakura was very shy at first, then Sasuke obsessed, she then wants to become strong to help Naruto for Sasuke, now we see maturity where she wants to protect those around her. I also feel like slowly her affection has shifted to Naruto....of course I'm biased ;)

[Grace]

NaruSaku would be already canon because if with Yamato's speech it hasnt gotten.

There was no other moment to choose to highlight the 64 cover.
I would say he's not a troll because i doubt that Kishimoto did the adversitizing but the cover of the One Shot was really a troll people freaked out more about that one-shot than this cover.
with or without cover didnt change my opinion that NaruHina is dead with reasons that i posted on another thread.

Really? You think Yamato's unfinished sentence would have magically made NaruSaku canon? My, he's quite the unappreciated orator if that's true.

There were other moments, and there were other ways Kishi could have done the cover. He could have made the Nejibird the focus, with Naruto in the front looking pissed off and the juubi in the background. But he didn't.

[Moriarty]

I hope the cover is an indication to their growing romantic relationship.

The problem is she never give any hints that would act thsi way and worse her development "once again" was towards Naruto, she does not have a development from her own, the whole part 2 she just got inserted out from nowhere, i cant understand the part were Naruto's team went to search out for Sasuke and they inserted Hinata's team just to put her close to Naruto to do anything other than "Naruto-kun", the fact is that her developments leads to nowhere, she would step up by herself if she does care about her duties and her clan more than Naruto and in fact that Neji's death has not a real effect on her just because Naruto was sad.
Sakura,Kakashi,Gai and the others felt his death while Hinata don't, Lee cried to death because of Neji's death which was his rival.

And the worse fact is everyone having a hard time to defend themselves and she once again only thinking about Naruto.
She's worse than Sakura lately, last parts that Sakura shows up it's something regarded to her feelings and Naruto or Sasuke but Hinata she didnt even got a mini-arc of her own it's just Naruto,when Hinata shows up it's certain that you will read "Naruto-kun".

Another proof, Aliance arrives Kakashi and Gai obviously injured and in need of medical help she says "Naruto-kun are you alright?"

Hinata was always there, she developed for herself not expecting anything from Naruto. She doesn't want anything from him, and she isn't forcing anything on him for you to think it's anything awkward. If Naruto was uncomfortable he might have told her earlier. And just because she didn't show her pain in that moment doesn't mean she didn't feel anything when Neji died. She has gotten stronger and decided Naruto needed this more than anything. A lot is riding on him to succeed in the war. She clearly knew what it meant to Naruto, getting the encouragement from someone who had more history and attachment to Neji should have been powerful.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

i will not say nh dead, yet. but if naruto said he love sakura again, than i will say nh is dead.

I would say it's dead because Neji's word on Naruto's mind, it's shown that he would not be selfish if he ends up with another girl because Hinata's sacrifice attempts and everything she did, were things that all his other friends would do and also that she did that for friendship not love from Naruto's standpoint.
Neji's words that touched Naruto not Hinata, he then thanked her and Neji for staying at his side.
The scene itself was romantic from Hinata's standpoint the same that Sakura's hug was romantic because of the situation and from Sakura's standpoint.

Second the whole "deeply cares" for Naruto, Sai saying that Naruto loves her made the things worse, she will look selfish if she chooses Sasuke and add up with the fact that SS would destroy her character completely, Kishimoto didnt do this with NH but he did with SS and NS.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 12:58 AM.

[merryGOflava]

so what I miss??

did any naruhina fans come over to brag yet? XD

[rocci]

I hope the cover is an indication to their growing romantic relationship.




Hinata was always there, she developed for herself not expecting anything from Naruto. She doesn't want anything from him, and she isn't forcing anything on him for you to think it's anything awkward. If Naruto was uncomfortable he might have told her earlier. And just because she didn't show her pain in that moment doesn't mean she didn't feel anything when Neji died. She has gotten stronger and decided Naruto needed this more than anything. A lot is riding on him to succeed in the war. She clearly knew what it meant to Naruto, getting the encouragement from someone who had more history and attachment to Neji should have been powerful.

well i agree that naruto can move on from sakura to hinata. but last time i check there is no confirmation about naruto feeling. like i said nh on the mercy of naruto. sure she is a sweet girl just like sasuke who is pretty boy. but the problem is naruto still love sakura, until said other wise.

here you go

darkrest what are you said come true.

[TouKen4Life3g]

i will not say nh dead, yet. but if naruto said he love sakura again, than i will say nh is dead.

And that's all it takes to destroy a tower. This arc is their final hope because if he doesn't change, game freaking over. What's worse is that the battle is still on and yet, Team 7 was on hold. It's like holding the best player after 1st half of game is over.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I hope the cover is an indication to their growing romantic relationship.





Hinata was always there, she developed for herself not expecting anything from Naruto. She doesn't want anything from him, and she isn't forcing anything on him for you to think it's anything awkward. If Naruto was uncomfortable he might have told her earlier. And just because she didn't show her pain in that moment doesn't mean she didn't feel anything when Neji died. She has gotten stronger and decided Naruto needed this more than anything. A lot is riding on him to succeed in the war. She clearly knew what it meant to Naruto, getting the encouragement from someone who had more history and attachment to Neji should have been powerful.

Everyone was there for Naruto, there's a lot of chapters that says the inverse even her jumping to "save" him from Pain it's the same as forcing her love into him this is the reaosn why Naruto didnt confessed and never wanted Sakura to know about his true feelings before he fullfill the promise, this is Naruto>Sakura relationship not Hinata>Naruto.
She was there all the time chasing him, it's kinda of forcing love, i dont see Naruto chasing Sakura like Hinata, some mini-arcs she's there close to Naruto without any reason at all.

I dont think so, this comes after the path of radiance chapter this is the reason why it died.
First it's shounen why he would say "hey Hinata i'm uncomfortable" the only character who had an outcome of third party feelings was Sakura, the panel that should had bought up the confession didnt even appeared when he met her again.
And moreover you missed the part of Neji's confession, he made that she did things for friendship not love, this is the reason why he didnt felt uncomfortable and didnt had an outcome on him and never will.

Sidenotes : was taking long until someome arrives.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 27 March 2013 - 01:09 AM.

[sushi.]

so what I miss??

did any naruhina fans come over to brag yet? XD

actually..yes. XDD !!

So..I'm not worried, no worries. I don't care enough to be worried, if that makes sense? I am just disappointed on how Kishi handles things, again.

[Slextrem]

actually..yes. XDD !!

I'm surprised that Poison hasn't shown up to take a stab at NaruSaku over this.

[rocci]

I'm surprised that Poison hasn't shown up to take a stab at NaruSaku over this.

s/he will... just look at your back