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[Chatte]

good. the other translations are so interesting to compare.

Also, I'm not so crazy about the reverse color cover. Looks like a bad printing job. Or Naruto is now being cast in Bazooka Joe comics! Or some kind of crazy manga Lichtenstein!

Huh? What reverse color cover? I seem not to get things right... ^^

Also, having Obito reaffirm about how he got to that type of human because of his bonds, Sakura no chakra cloak, makes me see things...

[Zatheko]

The big thing here is that naruto didn't see the hand holding with hinata as romantic, if he did he would have emphasized on that. It was just for chakra transfer and im 100% sure. I basically see NH at the exact same it has been all series, friendship.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The big thing here is that naruto didn't see the hand holding with hinata as romantic, if he did he would have emphasized on that. It was just for chakra transfer and im 100% sure. I basically see NH at the exact same it has been all series, friendship.

Yes, it needed to be confirmed, they were hoping for Naruto make a comment or they fight alongside each other but it was the complete opposite, he hold her hand to transfer chakra it was confirmed and no one can deny it.

It proved that 615 was just Hinata's development btw, she got what she wanted.

[Zatheko]

Yes, it needed to be confirmed, they were hoping for Naruto make a comment or they fight alongside each other but it was the complete opposite, he hold her hand to transfer chakra it was confirmed and no one can deny it.

It proved that 615 was just Hinata's development btw, she got what she wanted.

Exactly! and with that, I can sit back and wait for sakura to make her move

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

The big thing here is that naruto didn't see the hand holding with hinata as romantic, if he did he would have emphasized on that. It was just for chakra transfer and im 100% sure. I basically see NH at the exact same it has been all series, friendship.

Bolded: well, we don't know that yet, do we? This chapter provided zero evidence either way, as Naruto did not confess his love to Hinata nor to Sakura.

[fireandice]

Nice chapt, I liked Ino and Shika's convos with their dad.

IMO this chapter pretty much destroys any suggestion that Naruto's holding of Hinata's hand was romantic in any shape and form, from Naruto's POV.

Literary wise, Kishi degraded any sense of exclusivity and romance from the handholding sentiment by having Naruto do it with Shikamaru, Ino and Chouji immediately. If he wanted to use it to build up NH, that was quite a bad approach...because in this chapter he effectively detracted from romance by making clear it was a part of Shikaku's plan, despite Hinata's inner thoughts about how 'manly' Naruto's hands are (which IMO I personally really hate because her dear cousin just DIED and she sounded like a blushing school girl! I wish he had her think something else more about it giving her courage or to feel brave etc.).

Also the MS translations makes it pretty clear the hand he was talking about never letting go of was Neji's, so no worries on that front too.

Anyways, Hinata said she's going to stop chasing Naruto after this war right? She's already held his hand and walked with him. What else does she have left to do...?

As too Sakura I doubt Kishi forgot her. He drew her on the cover, I seriously doubt he just 'forgot' her. It's likely something is going on.

[Zatheko]

Bolded: well, we don't know that yet, do we? This chapter provided zero evidence either way, as Naruto did not confess his love to Hinata nor to Sakura.

Meh I really don't see naruto confessing his love to hinata after just one chapter of something he ended up doing with just about EVERY person on the alliance. I never really saw 615 as romantic, and 616 is just helping me prove that even more. Also this chapter also helped to prove that the last things said on 615"Im never letting go of this hand" was naruto thinking to neji and not hinata since he pretty much instantly let go of the hand, which to me takes away even more of the "romantic" moments form 615 for me.

Edited by zatheko, 16 January 2013 - 04:00 PM.

[Slextrem]

While the hand holding was a big moment for Hinata, chapter 616 indicates that it wasn't as big of a moment for Naruto. He held her hand to commence the plan: Transfer the modified Kyuubi chakra to the alliance. Hinata was right beside Naruto with her hand already on his face. Of course he would hold her hand first. Chapter 615 was nothing more than Hinata development, as Naruto clearly had an ulterior motive behind holding her hand. He didn't do it just because.

[PhenixElite]

Bolded: well, we don't know that yet, do we? This chapter provided zero evidence either way, as Naruto did not confess his love to Hinata nor to Sakura.

We know that naruto loves sakura over 600 chapters now, its even confirmed in the movie again and so far naruto hasnt shown any romantic intrest in hinata so.... Yeah.

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

What else does she have left to do...?

To give birth to Naruto's future spawn.

[tricksie]

Huh? What reverse color cover? I seem not to get things right... ^^

The cover of the shonen jump issue, where the black is done in blue, the headband in pink and every line is highlighted that same super-saturated pink. (It's not truly a reverse color, because the skin and hair and shadows are exactly right.) But with the retro dot print in the shadows (Benday dots) and the pink highlights making it look like the color has shifted while it was being printed, the image looks like an old-style newspaper cartoon.

[dragonflyx11]

Bolded: well, we don't know that yet, do we? This chapter provided zero evidence either way, as Naruto did not confess his love to Hinata nor to Sakura.

if he saw it as romantic i really think he would of made a lil eye contact instead of looking out at everyone. hinata helped naruto im not denying that, but so did kurama, an also kakashi in this chapter. i really think this is just for the purpose of reaffirming everyones bond with eachother. friendship all around. i dont see the handholding as intamate at all

[Zatheko]

We know that naruto loves sakura over 600 chapters now, its even confirmed in the movie again and so far naruto hasnt shown any romantic intrest in hinata so.... Yeah.

Exactly, to me it seems he places hinata in the same place he places the other girls, like ino for example, as just friends, if it was supposed to be romantic then he should have had AT LEAST ONE romantic thought or expression, but I never saw that.

[Slextrem]

The cover of the shonen jump issue, where the black is done in blue, the headband in pink and every line is highlighted that same super-saturated pink. (It's not truly a reverse color, because the skin and hair and shadows are exactly right.) But with the retro dot print in the shadows (Benday dots) and the pink highlights making it look like the color has shifted while it was being printed, the image looks like an old-style newspaper cartoon.

As an artist, my boyfriend thought it was really cool. He loves the old school comic look.

[Chatte]

The cover of the shonen jump issue, where the black is done in blue, the headband in pink and every line is highlighted that same super-saturated pink. (It's not truly a reverse color, because the skin and hair and shadows are exactly right.) But with the retro dot print in the shadows (Benday dots) and the pink highlights making it look like the color has shifted while it was being printed, the image looks like an old-style newspaper cartoon.

Oh, I get it now!

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

While the hand holding was a big moment for Hinata, chapter 616 indicates that it wasn't as big of a moment for Naruto. He held her hand to commence the plan: Transfer the modified Kyuubi chakra to the alliance. Hinata was right beside Naruto with her hand already on his face. Of course he would hold her hand first. Chapter 615 was nothing more than Hinata development, as Naruto clearly had an ulterior motive behind holding her hand. He didn't do it just because.

Yes, but ask yourself this: from the writing POV, why did Kishi have Hinata be the first one to hold Naruto's hand? Why make her scene the most important one, the one that lasted the longest? Why isn't it Sakura in Hinata's place? Why wasn't it Iruka or Shikamaru or Kakashi in Hinata's place? Kishi wrote Hinata to desire to hold Naruto's hand for a purpose and he did have her hold Naruto's hand for a purpose, too. Maybe that purpose is just to complete Hinata's character arc, as you all say. Or maybe it did hint at future NH canon. We are still at the same point than we were after ch 615 came out: we still don't know how Naruto feels about Hinata or about Sakura and are back to arguing about the handholding. So maybe we should let that matter rest for now and discuss other things about this new chapter. We are not going to move forward at all in this handholding thing. Only the future chapters will tell us which one of us were right.

[Zatheko]

Yes, but ask yourself this: from the writing POV, why did Kishi have Hinata be the first one to hold Naruto's hand? Why make her scene the most important one, the one that lasted the longest? Why isn't it Sakura in Hinata's place? Why wasn't it Iruka or Shikamaru or Kakashi in Hinata's place? Kishi wrote Hinata to desire to hold Naruto's hand for a purpose and he did have her hold Naruto's hand for a purpose, too. Maybe that purpose is just to complete Hinata's character arc, as you all say. Or maybe it did hint at future NH canon. We are still at the same point than we were after ch 615 came out: we still don't know how Naruto feels about Hinata or about Sakura and are back to arguing about the handholding. So maybe we should let that matter rest for now and discuss other things about this new chapter. We are not going to move forward at all in this handholding thing. Only the future chapters will tell us which one of us were right.

To get her development out of the way, and to have her achieve her wish to hold his hand? It came and it wen't.

[fireandice]

Meh I really don't see naruto confessing his love to hinata after just one chapter of something he ended up doing with just about EVERY person on the alliance. I never really saw 615 as romantic, and 616 is just helping me prove that even more. Also this chapter also helped to prove that the last things said on 615"Im never letting go of this hand" was naruto thinking to neji and not hinata since he pretty much instantly let go of the hand, which to me takes away even more of the "romantic" moments form 615 for me.

Exactly...Naruto hasn't even given the slightest indication of viewing Hinata romantically as far as his thoughts were concerned. I say this especially considering the NUMEROUS opportunities Kishi created for himself to do so...The Pain Arc? Nope, her confession is never mentioned again and Naruto doesn't even have a single flashback to it. We get Sakura hugging Naruto instead and Sai talking about how Naruto loves Sakura. The last chapter was an excellent opportunity...instead he DOWNPLAYS the 'specialness' of it when he does the same with Team 10, and we get a colour page of Sasuke and Team Seven instead of Naruto and Hinata holding hands.

I mean it's not like Kishi has to devote an entire arc or even a chapter showing Naruto developing feelings for Hinata. All he needed were a FEW PANELS showing Naruto thinking about her. Yet he just throws away all these good opportunities, which is what convinces me he doesn't intend NH to happen.

Honestly, also what with the parallels between Jiraiya and Tsunade and Naruto and Sakura which Kishi has made pretty explicit, I doubt Kishi would have Naruto fail in love too when the entire theme is about the new generation surpassing the old. That's why to an extent I think Sasuke will also somehow be redeemed.

Just my opinion, and imo while I know sometimes mangaka sometimes do a lot of asspulls, outside of anything Sasuke or Uchiha related Kishi generally doesn't do asspulls and foreshadows extensively. So the lack of any sort of reciprocity on Naruto's part convinces me he doesn't intend NH (especially seeing how he has no problems reminding us about Hinata's crush- so IMO it's not a case of him not wanting to mention romance at all).

[Chatte]

Yes, but ask yourself this: from the writing POV, why did Kishi have Hinata be the first one to hold Naruto's hand? Why make her scene the most important one, the one that lasted the longest? Why isn't it Sakura in Hinata's place? Why wasn't it Iruka or Shikamaru or Kakashi in Hinata's place? Kishi wrote Hinata to desire to hold Naruto's hand for a purpose and he did have her hold Naruto's hand for a purpose, too. Maybe that purpose is just to complete Hinata's character arc, as you all say. Or maybe it did hint at future NH canon. We are still at the same point than we were after ch 615 came out: we still don't know how Naruto feels about Hinata or about Sakura and are back to arguing about the handholding. So maybe we should let that matter rest for now and discuss other things about this new chapter. We are not going to move forward at all in this handholding thing. Only the future chapters will tell us which one of us were right.

If those are important, then why Sakura confess, why Naruto blushed at her confession, so on and so fort...

[Poison_In_Your_Coffee]

To get her development out of the way, and to have her achieve her wish to hold his hand? It came and it wen't.

Well, yes, I did mention that as a possibility. But any NH shipper can argue against that, and, IMO, have a good case that NH holding hands will be the start of NH canon. It's a bit pointless to continue this discussion: you are not going to be convinced that NH was romantic and I just can't view Naruto's high fives to people the same as his moment with Hinata. And 616 didn't confirm anything in any direction, so, a bit pointless, don't you think?

Edit. I mean, of course you are free to discuss anything you like but I don't really plan to have "ch 615, round two" for another 172 or so pages about whether NH holding hands is romantic or not. I feel like I have already said everything I have to say about that matter and as this chapter brough, IMO, nothing new, well I just have nothing else to say but to repeat myself.

Edited by Poison_In_Your_Coffee, 16 January 2013 - 04:15 PM.