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[Qia]

damn.

boys, my NS feels took a big hit this chapter. Not even because of an NH moment (there wasn't) but because it seems like Kishi is making Hinata the heroine.

i can't even.

No he said he'll let the Konoha 11 shine for a while, but their moment can only last for so long. Don't worry

[Awes9]

I said 3 weeks ago that we would get more NH moment but that it will ultimately lead to Hinata's character development and not to NH, well it looks like I was right (no arrogance there) and Hinata might actually develop as her own character and honestly that's more than necessary, her obsession is extremely irritating and unbearable, there's more than Naruto in this world let's hope she can finally see it.

Anyway aside from that while I was really glad to see Neji again and I liked the way his death has been handled but I think it was rushed, I mean he was non existent during the whole war and 2 chapters ago everyone was asking where Neji was and suddenly he appears and die in the same chapter, I think Neji deserved more than that altough I wouldn't get past Kishi ressurecting him especially after Obito's comment about Rinne Tensei.

I really liked Obito this chapter and how he stood his ground against Madara, he was the one calling the shots and even threatened Madara whereas I did get the impression before that he was just one of Madara' subordinate.

I didn't like Naruto in this chapter tough, it's as if his character doesn't evolve and he always needs more to evolve he already had seen Jiraya, he finally confronted Sasuke, Itachi gave him a lesson, he has seen his parents and even after all of this he still needs to be explained things. This whole chapter made him look like a damsel in distress. I really want to know when will Naruto develop definitevely without the need for others to constantly remind him what's important it's really starting to get boring at this point.

[StriderC]

Despite it being rushed, I still feel that it was a powerful moment. He died with a purpose. The branch members of his clan dedicate their lives to protecting those of the main branch. He gave his life to save their heiress, fulfilling his duty as a member of the branch clan, which I think was very noble. Part of me also feels that his death was a waste, but I digress... In the end, he was able to save the two people that meant the most to him, plus he was finally able to understand the actions of his father. It was a very heroic moment.

LOL Hey you! Decided to go ahead and make a page.

Anywayyyy, the chapter was okay. Can't believe he killed of Neji. He was one of my favorites but for some reason, I don't even feel to badly for his death. I guess it's because there was no build up really. Well, in the chapter, yes, but it was all so quick. I'm also surprised at Naruto's reaction to him sacrificing himself. Anyway, once again, we get a boat load of Hinata. She's gotten a ton of panel time in this arc for some crazy reason, and it's actually really annoying. We get a panel of Sakura being saved by Kakashi. Woooo hooooo.... I miss her a lot, and it sucks that we have to wait for anything significant to happen with her given she's supposedly a heroine, and a main character, yet we barely see her in this war at all. I hope this all changes because I'm not liking what I'm seeing really when it comes to my favorite female character...

Oh, and hello to all those who know me already and those who don't.

[archangel]

sry to say this but look closely at the panel , Kakashi arm is around Sakura , not the other way around, it look more like Kakashi saves Sakura( pissed off cuz it's show no development)

I try to not see it as pairing and I agree with most point but I can't ignore the fact that Kishi kind of shove Hinata character down my throat in the last few chapter, show no Sakura and the one panel I saw her is Kakashi that save her... I begin to think that it might have a change of plan about pairing or trolling with us (I can get over Kiba comment in the last 2 chapter but now Neji before his death) Hmm . don't know, kind of hard to ignore but if it end with them get together cuz of the war ( it's like killing most of the story development between Naruto and Sakura in like 10 chapter which sucks but who know why, rating, editor IDK maybe.

HOPE I'M SO DEAD WRONG RESPONSE IF I DIDN'T SEE WELL THE PANEL OR SOMETHING, CUZ RIGHT NOW I KIND OF DEPRESS (DEPRESS LAST NIGHT WITH WRESTLING AND NOW THIS, NEXT NEWS WILL BE WHAT, I FAILED MY SEMESTER:P )

[Awes9]

Honestly I don't want to participate in this shipping drama, my opinion on this hasn't changed but rather confirmed especially all my predictions came to pass so anyone is free to believe what he wants but I have to ask am I the only one bothered by Naruto ? This whole arc he made some of the worst speech ever, "i'm not trash", "i'm not going to let my friends die" and then now he failed yet again. I really want to understand where Kishi wants to go with Naruto, and if he has a clear direction why is it taking so long ? As I said it's getting extremely boring.

[Slextrem]

LOL Hey you! Decided to go ahead and make a page.

Anywayyyy, the chapter was okay. Can't believe he killed of Neji. He was one of my favorites but for some reason, I don't even feel to badly for his death. I guess it's because there was no build up really. Well, in the chapter, yes, but it was all so quick. I'm also surprised at Naruto's reaction to him sacrificing himself. Anyway, once again, we get a boat load of Hinata. She's gotten a ton of panel time in this arc for some crazy reason, and it's actually really annoying. We get a panel of Sakura being saved by Kakashi. Woooo hooooo.... I miss her a lot, and it sucks that we have to wait for anything significant to happen with her given she's supposedly a heroine, and a main character, yet we barely see her in this war at all. I hope this all changes because I'm not liking what I'm seeing really when it comes to my favorite female character...

Oh, and hello to all those who know me already and those who don't.

Hey! Great to see you on here! :]

I was surprised about Neji too. I really wasn't expecting that. I kind of like it though because it shows that Kishimoto is being realistic (to some degree) with his manga. He isn't like Tite Kubo, whom has his characters fight to the brink of death and then lets them all live despite the fact. For that, I'm glad. I think Neji got a really nice final moment.

[StriderC]

Honestly I don't want to participate in this shipping drama, my opinion on this hasn't changed but rather confirmed especially all my predictions came to pass so anyone is free to believe what he wants but I have to ask am I the only one bothered by Naruto ? This whole arc he made some of the worst speech ever, "i'm not trash", "i'm not going to let my friends die" and then now he failed yet again. I really want to understand where Kishi wants to go with Naruto, and if he has a clear direction why is it taking so long ? As I said it's getting extremely boring.

Kishi has a thing for making Naruto make promises he can't keep. I mean, how in the world can he say that none of his friends/comrades are gonna die? Isn't that a bit much? And it's obvious where Naruto's going. He's going to continue to pursue Sasuke but he'll hopefully realize that his life is VERY important. Hopefully he gains some realization that he can't save everyone as well. There are still people who care about him and value his life so he should as well. I don't think he'll be dying with Sasuke, and I hope Sakura gains some of that fire that I love about her. The fire I saw in her in the Forest of Death, her fight with Ino, and her fight with Sasori.

[KeikoxYusuke]

sry to say this but look closely at the panel , Kakashi arm is around Sakura , not the other way around, it look more like Kakashi saves Sakura( pissed off cuz it's show no development)

I try to not see it as pairing and I agree with most point but I can't ignore the fact that Kishi kind of shove Hinata character down my throat in the last few chapter, show no Sakura and the one panel I saw her is Kakashi that save her... I begin to think that it might have a change of plan about pairing or trolling with us (I can get over Kiba comment in the last 2 chapter but now Neji before his death) Hmm . don't know, kind of hard to ignore but if it end with them get together cuz of the war ( it's like killing most of the story development between Naruto and Sakura in like 10 chapter which sucks but who know why, rating, editor IDK maybe.

HOPE I'M SO DEAD WRONG RESPONSE IF I DIDN'T SEE WELL THE PANEL OR SOMETHING, CUZ RIGHT NOW I KIND OF DEPRESS (DEPRESS LAST NIGHT WITH WRESTLING AND NOW THIS, NEXT NEWS WILL BE WHAT, I FAILED MY SEMESTER:P )

Kakashi doesn't save her... It said "dodge" right above her, and she looked to be dance stepping out of the way of that wooden thing..just barely, but she does it...Kakashi's arm is around Sakura cuse he can't stand up right...remember when Sakura was healing him? he clearly needs more healing...oh, and if a rock hit Sakura...it's funny how there is zero damage... I think you guys just assumed she got hit with a rock, like you guys are assuming Kakashi( who can barely move right now) is somehow saving Sakura...I mean really?... wait till the anime version comes out, I feel sure that the action shown will support what I'm saying.

[redragon88]

Maybe it's because we're in the middle of war but I would've thought that Neji's death would have more impact. That's not to say it wasn't dramatic, but it just sort of happened. And we know for a fact that Kishi can do a good job with characters deaths if Jiraiya, Asuma, Hiruzen, Minato and Kushina have anything to say about it.

The suddenness of it all makes me think that maybe they'll get revived in the end by Obito. You have to admit that it was pretty convenient to hear Obito say how he can now use rinne tensei as well. It might be a repeated plot device, but I don't think Kishi would mind using it again if he believes he can do it in the right manner.

It reminds me of how the dragonballs were used so much in DBZ. Since I was a kid when that aired I don't I ever had much of an issue with their existence as a plot device for resurrection, but i can't help but wonder if the more adult fans of that time found the concept of the dragonballs as an annoying cop out.

Besides, we tend to forget that this manga is aimed at middle schoolers, so I'm not sure if Kishi would be capable of killing too many important characters simultaneously in such a sudden fashion and just leave it at that. If it was gradually and with a more dramatic closure like with Jiraiya and Asume I would get it. But this feels like what happened during the Pain arc all over again.

After all, Kishi is a fan of Akira (author of DB), even saying that Naruto was heavily inspired in Goku. So it not out of the realm of thinking that maybe rinne tensei is the equivalent of the dragonballs when it comes to the subsequent killing of relevant characters. Kakashi got a very dramatic death in the Pain arc and yet was revived, so Kishi only did it to build up the sense of despair during the actual battle, but not the aftermath.

[StriderC]

Hey! Great to see you on here! :]

I was surprised about Neji too. I really wasn't expecting that. I kind of like it though because it shows that Kishimoto is being realistic (to some degree) with his manga. He isn't like Tite Kubo, whom has his characters fight to the brink of death and then lets them all live despite the fact. For that, I'm glad. I think Neji got a really nice final moment.

Well, it did show us that anyone can die as of now, but who's the question. I'm actually a bit anxious to see how things play out from here, and I hope we get a bit more before he switches over to Sasuke. I also agree about the filler bit. He deserves it IMO.

I actually think were gonna see a bit of Sakura next chapter for some reason. I can't shake that feeling. Here's to hoping I suppose. ^^ And I guess we should expect 15 panels of Hinata.

[Gravenimage]

Kakashi doesn't save her... It said "dodge" right above her, and she looked to be dance stepping out of the way of that wooden thing..just barely, but she does it...Kakashi's arm is around Sakura cuse he can't stand up right...remember when Sakura was healing him? he clearly needs more healing...oh, and if a rock hit Sakura...it's funny how there is zero damage... I think you guys just assumed she got hit with a rock, like you guys are assuming Kakashi( who can barely move right now) is somehow saving Sakura...I mean really?... wait till the anime version comes out, I feel sure that the action shown will support what I'm saying.

Yep and she was holding Kakashi because remember she arrived and the first thing she did is healing his wounds. She was still healing him during this chapter.

Edited by Gravenimage, 18 December 2012 - 10:39 PM.

[StriderC]

Kakashi doesn't save her... It said "dodge" right above her, and she looked to be dance stepping out of the way of that wooden thing..just barely, but she does it...Kakashi's arm is around Sakura cuse he can't stand up right...remember when Sakura was healing him? he clearly needs more healing...oh, and if a rock hit Sakura...it's funny how there is zero damage... I think you guys just assumed she got hit with a rock, like you guys are assuming Kakashi( who can barely move right now) is somehow saving Sakura...I mean really?... wait till the anime version comes out, I feel sure that the action shown will support what I'm saying.

Oh she was definitely saved by Kakashi there. Look at the dialogue she makes as she's pulled away, and the only person moving on that panel is Sakura. Therefore, she's the one being pulled out of harms way. It's not that we're happy she was saved by Kakashi. The fact is, she was saved by him there. He didn't need more healing either because she healed him when she got to their location. He wasn't limping after she healed him, and he was standing with the group a couple of chapters ago just fine.

[FoolishYoungling]

You can't just make a new heroine in chapter 600+. Kishimoto is making Naruto notice Hinata a lot now. My question is this. If Naruto likes what he sees in Hinata, what about Sakura? He loves her and always has. If Sakura doesn't get Naruto in the end, we'll all know Sakura got no mature development. With Neji dead, I see Hinata growing up and being able to lead the Hyuuga clan. Should she get Naruto? NO! I don't know if Kishimoto remembers or not, but he made TOO MANY FREAKING parallels to NaruSaku. At this point you have to follow up on it. We'll have to keep watching though.

Another point I noticed that was heavy NH was when Neji said "Hinata is will to die for you Naruto." Sakura is willing to die for Naruto and she is in the background and getting no respect. I know you could say NS isn't happening because of the war, but look at NH!!! Were Yamato, Jiraiya, and Kushina words for NaruSaku all worthless? Are Naruto feelings for Sakura gone for no reason now? If NH happens Kishimoto will never be able to justify it.

Anyway, R.I.P Neji.

[CloudMountainJuror]

You can't just make a new heroine in chapter 600+. Kishimoto is making Naruto notice Hinata a lot now. My question is this. If Naruto likes what he sees in Hinata, what about Sakura? He loves her and always has. If Sakura doesn't get Naruto in the end, we'll all know Sakura got no mature development. With Neji dead, I see Hinata growing up and being able to lead the Hyuuga clan. Should she get Naruto? NO! I don't know if Kishimoto remembers or not, but he made TOO MANY FREAKING parallels to NaruSaku. At this point you have to follow up on it. We'll have to keep watching though.

Another point I noticed that was heavy NH was when Neji said "Hinata is will to die for you Naruto." Sakura is willing to die for Naruto and she is in the background and getting no respect. I know you could say NS isn't happening because of the war, but look at NH!!! Were Yamato, Jiraiya, and Kushina words for NaruSaku all worthless? Are Naruto feelings for Sakura gone for no reason now? If NH happens Kishimoto will never be able to justify it.

Anyway, R.I.P Neji.

The bolded. Especially the latter...

[archangel]

Kakashi doesn't save her... It said "dodge" right above her, and she looked to be dance stepping out of the way of that wooden thing..just barely, but she does it...Kakashi's arm is around Sakura cuse he can't stand up right...remember when Sakura was healing him? he clearly needs more healing...oh, and if a rock hit Sakura...it's funny how there is zero damage... I think you guys just assumed she got hit with a rock, like you guys are assuming Kakashi( who can barely move right now) is somehow saving Sakura...I mean really?... wait till the anime version comes out, I feel sure that the action shown will support what I'm saying.

Hope you right ( it's true tht he could barely move or Sakura healing improve drastically if he can. guess you right feel kind of better if she save her old sensei.
Thx

N.B: WHERE THE GOD DAMN LEE MOMENT IN ALL THIS, HIS RIVAL DIE AND NO LEE nor any of is team AAAAAAAAAAAAAH(joke with the intonation though it'S reading:P)
( that's what I meant by shvoing Hinata character, know neji her cousin but at least a panel with Lee sniff )

[PhenixElite]

Oh she was definitely saved by Kakashi there. Look at the dialogue she makes as she's pulled away, and the only person moving on that panel is Sakura. Therefore, she's the one being pulled out of harms way. It's not that we're happy she was saved by Kakashi. The fact is, she was saved by him there. He didn't need more healing either because she healed him when she got to their location. He wasn't limping after she healed him, and he was standing with the group a couple of chapters ago just fine.

I think i will never understand why you guys give so much on that scene. I mean who cares if shes saved or not. Also if kakashi saved her, it makes no bad light on her skill or something like that. Guess how many other nins died in that attack?
Also its not unusal for sakura to get saved by someone else like weve seen in about 600 chapters.

[Gravenimage]

You can't just make a new heroine in chapter 600+. Kishimoto is making Naruto notice Hinata a lot now. My question is this. If Naruto likes what he sees in Hinata, what about Sakura? He loves her and always has. If Sakura doesn't get Naruto in the end, we'll all know Sakura got no mature development. With Neji dead, I see Hinata growing up and being able to lead the Hyuuga clan. Should she get Naruto? NO! I don't know if Kishimoto remembers or not, but he made TOO MANY FREAKING parallels to NaruSaku. At this point you have to follow up on it. We'll have to keep watching though.

Another point I noticed that was heavy NH was when Neji said "Hinata is will to die for you Naruto." Sakura is willing to die for Naruto and she is in the background and getting no respect. I know you could say NS isn't happening because of the war, but look at NH!!! Were Yamato, Jiraiya, and Kushina words for NaruSaku all worthless? Are Naruto feelings for Sakura gone for no reason now? If NH happens Kishimoto will never be able to justify it.

Anyway, R.I.P Neji.

Well so far Naruto hasn't shown a single hint that he romantically likes her. Why bother developing NH now when he has been devleoping NS in over 400+ chapters? Unless he wants to troll the fandom big time but I don't see that happening. I'm really hoping Hinata opening her eyes and letting go of her obsession for Naruto, I'm dying to see Kishi finally putting the final nail at NH's grave.

[Zatheko]

Kakashi doesn't save her... It said "dodge" right above her, and she looked to be dance stepping out of the way of that wooden thing..just barely, but she does it...Kakashi's arm is around Sakura cuse he can't stand up right...remember when Sakura was healing him? he clearly needs more healing...oh, and if a rock hit Sakura...it's funny how there is zero damage... I think you guys just assumed she got hit with a rock, like you guys are assuming Kakashi( who can barely move right now) is somehow saving Sakura...I mean really?... wait till the anime version comes out, I feel sure that the action shown will support what I'm saying.

Yeah I saw it like this to, she dodged it on her own, and kakashi did not save her, he needs her to support himself standing up, also I coulda swore she didnt get hit by a rock before it was just the force form the explosions the juubi caused.

[StriderC]

I think i will never understand why you guys give so much on that scene. I mean who cares if shes saved or not. Also if kakashi saved her, it makes no bad light on her skill or something like that. Guess how many other nins died in that attack?
Also its not unusal for sakura to get saved by someone else like weve seen in about 600 chapters.

People care because they care but when you think about it, I guess it's not a really bad thing considering she still has a lot to learn and she can't pick up on the movements of things that quickly. In her fight with Sasori, she gradually learned his attack patterns. There's no way she'd be able to do all of that this chapter. Heck, Neji died, and he's a more versatile ninja that she is with an amazing defense, and yet he still had trouble. Naruto almost died as well. I'm not even mad about her being saved. I'm upset with the panel time she's given. It doesn't even have to revolve around her being around Naruto. I just want more Sakura.

[StriderC]

Yeah I saw it like this to, she dodged it on her own, and kakashi did not save her, he needs her to support himself standing up, also I coulda swore she didnt get hit by a rock before it was just the force form the explosions the juubi caused.

Are people not looking at her posture there? I've never seen anyone dodge like that. Also, why in the world would Kakashi have his hand around her shoulder NOW of all times, and why does Kishi show a piece land where Sakura was standing if she was assisting Kakashi? It makes zero sense to me. Also, there's the lines on Sakura's body and not Kakashi. Kakashi wasn't really moving in that panel. It was just Sakura being pulled out of harms way. She's not healing him and she likely wasn't healing him either.