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[redragon88]

Actually there's nothing in the manga that points to that. In fact, we know Minato was the youngest when he became Hokage (when Kakashi was nominated it was stated Minato was the youngest when he became Hokage, that means he was younger than Hiruzen, who at the oldest was 24 when he became Hokage, he was already Hokage when he became the Sanin's Genin team senei at 25. That means Minato was 23 or younger when he became Hokage.

I get what you're saying, but the problem is that the very first page of the Kakashi Gaiden mini arc shows us the Hokage mountain with only the first 3 Hokages. That alone implies that Minato wasn't a Hokage yet during that time. And there's the fact the no one ever refers to him as the Hokage during that story.

Kishi still has to set the record straight one way or another. He made a mistake in either that page in Kakashi Gaiden or the one in chapter 599.

It was in the databooks, not the manga, Kishimoto has changed his mind about things in the databooks before...

I can actually imagine that. Could you give me some examples you can think of? I really want to know of those.

[merryGOflava]

everyone is hung up over the plot holes when WE dont even have the full story!

we just found out that tobi is obito

we dont know why
we dont know how
we dont even know when

we just see his face and know its obito.....

let kishi explain and chill :3 (not that there's anything wrong with making early guesses though) but dont say its impossible until the next chapter k?

[sushi.]

Actually there's nothing in the manga that points to that. In fact, we know Minato was the youngest when he became Hokage (when Kakashi was nominated it was stated Minato was the youngest when he became Hokage, that means he was younger than Hiruzen, who at the oldest was 24 when he became Hokage, he was already Hokage when he became the Sanin's Genin team senei at 25. That means Minato was 23 or younger when he became Hokage.




It was in the databooks, not the manga, Kishimoto has changed his mind about things in the databooks before...

239 pg 8, it doesn't make any sense for now. "today, Kakashi is a jounin, just like me. Edit, reddragon, Tsunade's Mountainface didn't come until 2 years later

Edited by sushi., 31 August 2012 - 06:42 AM.

[Nefertieh]

239 pg 8, it doesn't make any sense for now. "today, Kakashi is a jounin, just like me. Edit, reddragon, Tsunade's Mountainface didn't come until 2 years later

Maybe Minato is still technically a Jounin, even though he has the title of Hokage? We don't know when exactly Tsunade's face was added, it could have been anytime within the years that Naruto was gone.

[Jake]

Actually there's nothing in the manga that points to that. In fact, we know Minato was the youngest when he became Hokage (when Kakashi was nominated it was stated Minato was the youngest when he became Hokage, that means he was younger than Hiruzen, who at the oldest was 24 when he became Hokage, he was already Hokage when he became the Sanin's Genin team senei at 25. That means Minato was 23 or younger when he became Hokage.




It was in the databooks, not the manga, Kishimoto has changed his mind about things in the databooks before...

I don't know if it's just the translations I have read but when I read those chapters it never said that Minato was the youngest Hokage in fact during Danzo's flashback of when Hiruzen became Hokage he look to be about Naruto's age although most likely he was a little bit older.

So then THE Hokage went out on the field with a chunin/jonin team (my bad) just to take out a bridge and eliminate twenty or so men? I see no explanation for that. SO it would only make sense that he did something in the war that made Hiruzen finally pass on the title. That would fit perfectly with Jiraya failing to 'save' Orochimaru after he got upset that he wasn't given the title. Minato already being hokage before the war would screw up way more things than it would fix. So unless otherwise directly stated, I'll assume that Kishimoto made a mistake in ONE panel. I mean come on, he's only human.

And to your age point, he was not yet thirty (Younger than Kakashi) and he was used as a benchmark for 'youngest hokage' when Danzo was nominated. Everyone also called Kakashi too young to be Hokage so we can assume Hiruzen was at least in his mid thirties by the time he became hokage. Now you choose.

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And how do you know he was 25 when he became the Sanin's sensei? Am I missing something?

Actually he was 24.

Hiruzen was 18 years older then the Sanin and the Sanin's Academy Graduation Age in the databooks say that they graduated at age 6 so 18 + 6 = 24.

239 pg 8, it doesn't make any sense for now. "today, Kakashi is a jounin, just like me. Edit, reddragon, Tsunade's Mountainface didn't come until 2 years later

Well to be fair the village was recovering from an invasion at the time which would probably explain why it took so long to add Tsunade's face to the monument

[HalfStarStudios]

There's nothing to explain it. In the Kakashi Gaiden, his face wasn't on the mountain but now all of the sudden it is? Don't even get me started on the ages. Genma should be 2 years old during the second page. Does he look 2 to you? No. There's so many inconsistencies in this chapter to the point where it makes me think Kishi was stoned out of his mind when he made this chapter. Obito being Tobi can be explained in my 3 Tobi's theory. Pretty much everything in that flashback was complete(excuse my language) horse kitten. God I hope this was just a troll chapter to make the Tobi=Obito fans happy and we'll get the true Tobi revelation next week.

This is just a speculation, but....

The second Hokage's name: Tobirama Senju
Tobirama
Tobi

Impossible. Tobirama was already revived so it's confirmed he did die. His soul now resides in the Shinigami's belly, not giving any f^cks because that's what he does. The Hokage that didn't give a F^ck. xD It's a meme a bunch of us made up on MF because he made ET.

Actually though, I could be wrong. This could be possible. With the way Kishi wrote the last chapter, he could have forgot he had Tobirama revived and fought Hiruzen. Anythings possible with Kishis sudden derpness. Sakura's dad could have Sasori's soul in it and he's secretly waiting to kill him. Or Kakashi has a Rinnegan under his mask and that's why he doesn't show his mouth. Or Sakura could be the Sage's mother who came into the future because she was bored.

Edited by HalfStarStudios, 31 August 2012 - 09:01 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Hatake Kakashi
Rank
Ninja Rank Jōnin
Ninja Registration 009720
Academy Grad. Age 5
Chūnin Prom. Age 6

source: Databooks.

6 years? my ass... --Click here to view--

You dont have 6 years probably the same age of sasuke when he did the chuunin exam.

Kishimoto best writer ever with 1 manga you screwed the entire naruto cronology.

Edited by dovahkiin, 31 August 2012 - 09:35 AM.

[Don-kun]

Wow People chill out, this is Kishimoto story he doesn't need to explain anything if he choose to or he can make Obito who he wants. After all this is his store.

[HalfStarStudios]

Wow People chill out, this is Kishimoto story he doesn't need to explain anything if he choose to or he can make Obito who he wants. After all this is his store.

So we are not allowed to complain if he gives us extremely sh*tty writing?

[Nefertieh]

Yeah, there does seem to be a lot of plot holes. =/ But there were a lot of plot holes with Minato being Naruto's father as well -- like how people like the Sanin or Sandaime never mentioned it for the first few hundred chapters.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

So we are not allowed to complain if he gives us extremely sh*tty writing?

Your allowed to complain just if you can't handle his writing then don't read the manga it's as simple as that.

[redragon88]

Hatake Kakashi
Rank
Ninja Rank Jōnin
Ninja Registration 009720
Academy Grad. Age 5
Chūnin Prom. Age 6

source: Databooks.

6 years? my ass... --Click here to view--

You dont have 6 years probably the same age of sasuke when he did the chuunin exam.

Kishimoto best writer ever with 1 manga you screwed the entire naruto cronology.

Kishi probably decided he wanted to purposely retcon some of the ages in the databooks. That's probably why he decided to draw this chapter in such a way.

Kishi could've simply made Obito's flashback with him not doing good on missions and feelings jealous that Kakashi was better than him at being a ninja. I think he purposely showed us the chunin exams because he wanted to modify the age in which Kakashi became a chunin because he probably later thought that 6 years old was a little to young for it.

Also, Kishi probably later on decided that he wanted all those chunins and jonins that have appeared as minor character in the series to all have been in the same class as Kakashi, probably as a parallel and previous generation of the Konoha 11. There are age inconsistencies when compared to the databook, but maybe Kishi doesn't really care that much because in the end Genma, Hayate, etc. still remain minor character and that fact that they're now 3 or 4 years older or younger than originally established really doesn't affect the plot of the manga.

During the timeskip the only ones who changed in appearance where the kids turned teens, the adults remained the same. Kakashi and his generation were simply designed to look like they're in there twenties without much specifications. So taking or giving some years now to some of those characters isn't really gonna make one think that they now look too young or old to be a specific twenty-something age.

[alexander]

So we are not allowed to complain if he gives us extremely sh*tty writing?

You can complain all you want, but even if this is full of plotholes or inconsistences on the timeline, I still find it a hundred times more interesting then Naruto having to inspect animals genitalia.

[Don-kun]

Hatake Kakashi
Rank
Ninja Rank Jōnin
Ninja Registration 009720
Academy Grad. Age 5
Chūnin Prom. Age 6

source: Databooks.

6 years? my ass... --Click here to view--

You dont have 6 years probably the same age of sasuke when he did the chuunin exam.

Kishimoto best writer ever with 1 manga you screwed the entire naruto cronology.

6 years? Yes Kishi just suuck at drawing them that way --Click here to view--

Did Sasuke and Itachi look like a 6/7 and 11/20 years old kids did itachi look like an 12/13 years old kid at the Massacre?

Lets face it there are some character that Kishi loves to draw with a hot looking expression and when it's time to make them look like kids he sucks.

Edited by NS means logic, 31 August 2012 - 08:16 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Your allowed to complain just if you can't handle his writing then don't read the manga it's as simple as that.

Here we go again....
Yes we complain when he screw the story itself, second why we should drop reading?
we are reading this for years not days, and third we are allowed to complain if u cant read critics just dont post, ths is a debate forum/thread we are here to discuss, if he write databooks to later change it it's a signal of bad writting, it's like all the time he feels that something is not well with
his story this is bad writing there's no turn back, he draw minato's face on the hokage mountain when he were not hokage at that time, minato become hokage after the third world ninja war not before.

this chapter shows a lot of wrong circuntances, he must fix this.

the entire cronology was wrong and get screwed we cant accept that obito with 14 years old, could control kyuubi and fight with minato, this does not make sense.

i hope next chapter he clarify everything, this cronology inconsistence the feedback must be already reached him.

Edited by dovahkiin, 31 August 2012 - 11:10 AM.

[Nefertieh]

Chronology refers to the sequence of events, continuity refers to the consistency. In this case Kishimoto has made quite a few mistakes in both parts, although some of them will probably be addressed in the chapters in the following weeks.

[Don-kun]

Here we go again....
Yes we complain when he screw the story itself, second why we should drop reading?
we are reading this for years not days, and third we are allowed to complain if u cant read critics just dont post, ths is a debate forum/thread we are here to discuss, if he write databooks to later change it it's a signal of bad writting, it's like all the time he feels that something is not well with
his story this is bad writing there's no turn back, he draw minato's face on the hokage mountain when he were not hokage at that time, minato become hokage after the third world ninja war not before.

this chapter shows a lot of wrong circuntances, he must fix this.

the entire cronology was wrong and get screwed we cant accept that obito with 14 years old, could control kyuubi and fight with minato, this does not make sense.

i hope next chapter he clarify everything, this cronology inconsistence the feedback must be already reached him.

Let me ask you a question, does it make sense for Itachi been 11 to wipe out a clan of Uchihas with a police department that protects Konoha?

Does it make sense for Sasuke who have a hard time fighting, Kakashi Oro, and Deidara to have and even match against Itachi?

Does it make sense for Jiraiya to spend years to learn the Sage Mode, Minato didn't fully develop it same as Rasen Shuriken and Naruto master the two techniques in one week each?

Does it Make sense for Sasuke to be out of chakra but still able to summon mandra place on Genjutsu and escape Deidara's boom?

Does it make sense for all the Girls minus Hinata to find Sasuke attracted and treat him like a rock star?

Does it make sense for Karin and Sakura to still have romantic feelings for Sasuke after he tried to Kill them?

Does it make sense for Naruto to see Sasuke as the most important person in his live even when Sasuke tries to kill him again and again, but when Iruka, Sakura, Hinata and Gaara the only ones who genuily cares about him are not even in his mind?

They are so many things in this Manga that doesn't make any sense, but we follow the flow, why are we so angry now? To me there is only one justification to be angry and that is when Naruto comes 2nd or 3rd to any characters.

I know I'm going off topic but lets stop acting like if this is the first time Kishi screw up and this is his worse error in the Manga.

Edited by NS means logic, 31 August 2012 - 11:38 AM.

[Nefertieh]

I just realised something.

That chapter, where Kabuto blackmails Tobi with Edo Tensei,

could that person in the coffin be --Click here to view--

.... Rin?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Let me ask you a question, does it make sense for Itachi been 11 to wipe out a clan of Uchihas with a police department that protects Konoha?

i dont think he has 11 but 15 and he did not do this alone.

Does it make sense for Sasuke who have a hard time fighting, Kakashi Oro, and Deidara to have and even match against Itachi?

he rested before he fight itachi

Does it make sense for Jiraiya to spend years to learn the Sage Mode, Minato didn't fully develop it same as Rasen Shuriken and Naruto master the two techniques in one week each?

there's any proof that minato knew sage mode his thunder gd technique is enough, the frog told that jiraya did not spend all the time training he go to the mountain and back to village and so on it was training sessions, naruto's training was more intensive.

Does it Make sense for Sasuke to be out of chakra but still able to summon mandra place on Genjutsu and escape Deidara's boom?
well his cursed seal.

Does it make sense for all the Girls minus Hinata to find Sasuke attracted and treat him like a rock star?
yes he was the mostp popular after all and hinata knew who naruto he really was first.

Does it make sense for Karin and Sakura to still have romantic feelings for Sasuke after he tried to Kill them?

why he should stop the pairing drama? lose fans that spend money and money it's not his fault that are people who only read/watch the manga/anime because of pairings.

Does it make sense for Naruto to see Sasuke as the most important person in his live even when Sasuke tries to kill him again and again, but when Iruka, Sakura, Hinata and Gaara the only ones who genuily cares about him are not even in his mind?

well it's a shounen and friendship is one of the central plot of Naruto like Bleach ,One piece,Fairy tail all shounen jump shounens are friendship centered.

They are so many things in this Manga that doesn't make any sense, but we follow the flow, why are we so angry now? To me there is only one justification to be angry and that is when Naruto comes 2nd or 3rd to any characters.

well i'm angry since he summon madara, i'm angry when itachi pull off that izanami, and now this.
cant stop reading because i already got 6 years of naruto and i want to see what will be his crazy ending.

I know I'm going off topic but lets stop acting like if this is the first time Kishi screw up and this is his worse error in the Manga.

it's not the first time and before i told you tobi can be anyone.

[Don-kun]

You --Click here to view--

i dont think he has 11 but 15 and he did not do this alone.


he rested before he fight itachi


there's any proof that minato knew sage mode his thunder gd technique is enough, the frog told that jiraya did not spend all the time training he go to the mountain and back to village and so on it was training sessions, naruto's training was more intensive.

Does it Make sense for Sasuke to be out of chakra but still able to summon mandra place on Genjutsu and escape Deidara's boom?
well his cursed seal.

Does it make sense for all the Girls minus Hinata to find Sasuke attracted and treat him like a rock star?
yes he was the mostp popular after all and hinata knew who naruto he really was first.

why he should stop the pairing drama? lose fans that spend money and money it's not his fault that are people who only read/watch the manga/anime because of pairings.

well it's a shounen and friendship is one of the central plot of Naruto like Bleach ,One piece,Fairy tail all shounen jump shounens are friendship centered.

well i'm angry since he summon madara, i'm angry when itachi pull off that izanami, and now this.
cant stop reading because i already got 6 years of naruto and i want to see what will be his crazy ending.[/b]

it's not the first time and before i told you tobi can be anyone.

@dovahkiin

Off topic --Click here to view--

Sorry but Itachi was 12/13 my bad.

Your replies are weird but that's fine, this Manga is not meant to be perfect, Kishi made a lot of mess that I'm sure if he could go back and change he would, the manga doesn't make sense to me and worse Obito being Tobi since the timeline does not allow that. From Tobi v's Minato is ok since Naruto and Sasuke did a lot at 15, so Obito being 14/15 and haven a technique where no one can touch him make sense, but nothing that happens before makes any sense unless that was someone else and not Obito.

Kishi made so much crap in this Manga and the only reason I believe that the other pairing still have a chance is because I'm reading a Manga where the Author thinks that women should be madly in love with a boy despite the odd or the negative facts. I will repeat his manga makes no sense but Kishi has the magic to make you fall in love with the manga again I also invested a lot of my life reading it and this isn't real life is a fantasy world.

Edited by NS means logic, 31 August 2012 - 02:43 PM.