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[Derock]

That's because it's in my closet. Now if you'll wait a moment so I can download photoshop, I'll prove it to you.

Sure, Nate. We will debate on its authencity.

[Insurrection]

We might not see Bin Laden's photo, but holy mother...*warning very graphic* It makes you wonder what happened to Bin Laden.

http://www.reuters.c...-laden-compound


And Congressmen fell for a fake photo.

http://blogs.abcnews...s-senators.html



Oh great...we lost something we shouldn't have.

[Codus N]

It got lost between the arguing you and alexander had going back and forth.

Hey, what about me!!!

That won't prove a thing. All it will take is one person - and there would be at least one, you can bet money on it - thinking it's not legit against everyone else and that's more than enough for most people to latch onto. They could have done everything perfectly and I guarantee you there would still be people who thought everyone was being taken for a ride. Against overwhelming evidence, there are still people who think our government ordered 9/11 to start with and regularly fake photos and videos to "prove" it.

This is the age we live in, for good and ill. On the one hand, we don't blindly believe our government and question things. On the other, we don't really trust anything either.

Well, then, that's easy. Fire back and say "can YOU prove it??" if they had the guts to say something like that, I'd want to see them prove it. Of course, it'd be useless but everyone knows the truth.

With all due respect (what is this, the army?), that's pretty cocky of you Nate.

EDIT: On other news: http://www.msnbc.msn...aden/?GT1=43001

Well, that surely will not please some people.

Just for you to know, I'm never said this is one of those conspiracy theory things, I just find it suspicious, that's all. And, of course, I'm not going to force my ideals on you nor anyone else, I'm just trying to make my point on this matter.

Yup, you and me both, alex. It's a shame. It kinda makes Obama look a bit cowardly. Granted, he'd be betting National Security on it but every leader should take risks when it's needed.

Edited by Codus N, 05 May 2011 - 11:47 AM.

[alexander]

An small update: This is the picture of Obama and Crew watching the whole thing

And it's getting popular pretty quicly.

Edited by alexander, 05 May 2011 - 02:03 PM.

[Cloud]

Mmm. Dead bodies soaked in blood. My favorite.

[Nick Soapdish]

An small update: This is the picture of Obama and Crew watching the whole thing

And it's getting popular pretty quicly.

Indeed.



I've heard that the link referenced in the image is not safe for work.

[Codus N]

Al-Qaeda confirmed it.

Wow, now that they really said this then we can all REALLY breathe a sigh of relief. If I think about it, Al-Qaeda didn't seem to be the type of organization in denial when a leader dies unless they really aren't dead. In fact, maybe Obama even took this into account and predicted this would happen.

I'm going to have to give a big hand to him.

Now that this is out of the way, let's move on with our lives, shall we??

[Gravenimage]

Lol.

[Nee-sama]

Al-Qaeda confirmed it.

Wow, now that they really said this then we can all REALLY breathe a sigh of relief. If I think about it, Al-Qaeda didn't seem to be the type of organization in denial when a leader dies unless they really aren't dead. In fact, maybe Obama even took this into account and predicted this would happen.

I'm going to have to give a big hand to him.

Now that this is out of the way, let's move on with our lives, shall we??

Oh, well since al-Qaeda said it we can believe it's true. They may be a terrorist organization bent on dominating the world, avenging bin Laden, and murdering the infidel but at least they're honest.

[Greed-Sama]

http://www.nydailyne...laden_stri.html

Bush doesn't go to Ground Zero with Obama on Thursday because he feels like his administration isn't getting enough credit? Seriously?

[Insurrection]

http://www.cbsnews.c...l#ixzz1LbIM5g1O

http://www.cnn.com/2...dex.html?hpt=T1

I have a feeling we'll be busy with this intel. Someone said that killing Bin Laden was cutting off the head of the snake except now there's a really pumped guy thinking aloud, "Hey, we still have the rest of the snake we could chop up!" Ew boy...


Ew Boy...this keeps getting better...

http://www.huffingto...n_n_858906.html

The wealth of information pulled from Osama bin Laden's compound has reinforced the belief that he played a strong role in planning and directing attacks by al-Qaida and its affiliates in Yemen and Somalia, senior U.S. officials said Friday.

And the data further demonstrates to the U.S. that top al-Qaida commanders and other key insurgents are scattered throughout Pakistan, not just in the rugged border areas, and are being supported and given sanctuary by Pakistanis, a senior defense official said.

...and better...

http://www.msnbc.msn...new_york_times/

Pakistani officials say the Obama administration has demanded the identities of some of their top intelligence operatives as the United States tries to determine whether any of them had contact with Osama bin Laden or his agents in the years before the raid that led to his death early Monday morning in Pakistan.

The officials provided new details of a tense discussion between Pakistani officials and an American envoy who traveled to Pakistan on Monday, as well as the growing suspicion among United States intelligence and diplomatic officials that someone in Pakistan’s secret intelligence agency knew of Bin Laden’s location, and helped shield him.

Edited by Insurrection, 07 May 2011 - 05:47 AM.

[Nate River]

I'm not surprised; he's desperate to win back credibility for his administration, but doesn't seem to understand that at this point the best thing for him is to lie low for now.

You're joking right?

For virtually all of 2009 and chunks of 2010 Barack Obama used every available opportunity to blame Bush for the problems he inherented. I'd never heard a President whine about a predecessor the Obama has. Bush didn't respond when he could have. When Bush wrote his memoirs he could have taken all the shots at Obama he wanted and he didn't. In fact, in the post you too are complaining about he didn't say a damn thing and his spokesman even said he wanted to lie low.

The quote you complain of came from an unnamed "high" ranked source who blabbed to a journalist private feelings that would have remained so had the source not blabbed (assuming the source is right, not something we can verify since we don't know who it is). Bush didn't say a thing publicly except what the spokesman said and the spokesman said he wanted to lie low. Which is the advice you just gave. I guess he could have gone a put the wreath up too, but that's not exactly lying low is it?

Maybe he should change his approach and act like Jimmy Carter? When was the last time that discredited President lied low?

EDIT: Other members of the administration haven spoken out (Rice, Cheney back in 2009), but there isn't any evidence that they are doing anything besides acting on their own. He can't forcefully screw their lips shut.

Speaking of which, John Woo, the lawyer who tried to authorize the torture in Guantanomo (or something to that degree) is saying it was wrong for Obama's administration to kill Bin Laden (as opposed to capture him). I just have to find that hilarious, one who tried to make it okay for the president (any president) to torture is going "Wait! Don't kill the terrorist!" I'm sure he wanted him alive so we could torture him (tempting, but still wrong)

Woo was an attorney who was posed a question by the administration as to the limit of interrogations and he provided an answer based on what he thought the law was. I don't care what you think of the answer, but Woo didn't authorize crap, he didn't have the authority too. Once he provided his client the answer to the question it was up to the client to decide what it was going to do. That you don't agree with his answer to that question doesn't mean Woo went out of his way to find a particular answer, which is what you seem to be implying.

Your last line is nothing but a gratuitous cheap shot.

[Insurrection]

http://backstage.huf...-_n_858984.html

http://www.thedailyb...d=hp:mainpromo1

Does anyone want to watch Osama Bin Laden's home movies?

Edited by Insurrection, 07 May 2011 - 08:30 PM.

[dl316bh]

For virtually all of 2009 and chunks of 2010 Barack Obama used every available opportunity to blame Bush for the problems he inherented.

On the one hand, he's not exactly lying. A lot of our troubles we can trace back to Bush. Same for the loss of several of our rights.

On the other, you're right; it's kind of unsettling to see how much he pushed the blame off him. He's right, but it reflects very poorly on him, especially when he's not doing a damned thing to help matters. If anything, he's continued Bush's general policies and is as pro-business as a given Republican. Barring him winning a second term and massively turning things around, he's going to go down as a bad president; and no amount of complaining about how he was put in a bad position by Bush is going to change that.

[Codus N]

Funny thing though, we both called him John Woo by mistake (I edited my post to correct that). If we were talking about John Woo, he would probably be more famous for sending Tom Cruise and Chow Yun-fat to battle terrorism instead.

Now that you brought it up, think he'll actually help direct the movie about this raid???

[Insurrection]

Pakistani Media names CIA Station Chief in Islamabad. Believed to be outed by Pakistani Government in raid response while seeking its own answers to how Bin Laden lived under their noses.

http://online.wsj.co...3848904130.html

Update: AP reports that they have the wrong name. http://www.huffingto...e_n_859240.html


Obama's full 60 Minutes Interview:

http://www.cbsnews.c...ainColumnArea.1

KROFT: You didn't tell anybody in the Pakistani government or the military.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: No.

KROFT: Or their intelligence community?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: No.

KROFT: Because you didn't trust?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: As I said, I didn't tell most people here in the White House. I didn't tell my own family. It was that important for us to maintain operational security.

KROFT: But you were carrying out this operation in Pakistan.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Yeah.

KROFT: You didn't trust 'em?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: If I'm not revealing to some of my closest aides what we're doin', then I sure as heck am not gonna be revealing it to folks who I don't know.

KROFT: Right. Now the location of this house, the location of the compound just raises all sorts of questions.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Uh-huh.

KROFT: Do you believe people in the Pakistani government, Pakistani intelligence agencies knew that bin Laden was living there?

PRESIDENT OBAMA: We think that there had to be some sort of support network for bin Laden inside of Pakistan. But we don't know who or what that support network was. We don't know whether there might have been some people inside of government, people outside of government, and that's something that we have to investigate, and more importantly, the Pakistani government has to investigate.
And we've already communicated to them, and they have indicated they have a profound interest in finding out what kinds of support networks bin Laden might have had. But these are questions that we're not gonna be able to answer three or four days after the event. It's gonna take some time for us to be able to exploit the intelligence that we were able to gather on site.

And I just want the American people to think about this. These guys, our guys, go in in the dead of night, it's pitch black, they're takin' out walls, false doors, gettin' shot at, they killed bin Laden, and they had the presence of mind to still gather up a whole bunch of bin Laden's material which will be a treasure trove of information that could serve us very well in the weeks and months to come. It's just an indication of the extraordinary work that they did.

Edited by Insurrection, 09 May 2011 - 02:33 PM.

[Ulgamoth]

I'll just sum it up in two words: Me Gusta!

[Codus N]

Here comes the paranoia.....