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[ShippudenGirl]

:| This whole thing is a complete mess... I feel so bad Dx all you poor people in the Gulf... Ugh, only if we had a miracle =P *Waits for Unicorns* You see the pictures of the Brown Pelicans?! Poor babies Dx

[Black Rose]

Everything is out of control... Wish the best 4 everyone, too, but I am not really optimistic. At least this is my conclusion after watching the "progress" of BP

[Nee-sama]

Well, BP workers are expressing confidence in their relief well plan, saying they should be able to stop the leak completely by mid-August.
the latest

Edited by Nee-sama, 28 June 2010 - 08:45 PM.

[Black Rose]

Hm, I don't think that I should trust them...

[Insurrection]

Alright I'll check back in November.

[catsi563]

whos responsible? thats simple.

The republican parties at fault for its party line of free capitalism with no repsonsibility or consequences which lead directly to such lovely scandals such as Enron among others.

BP is resaponsible because like exxon before it it has no oversight and no direct safety structure in place, hell one of its contingency plans is nearly 15 years old and calls for those who sue the plan to call on a specialist whos been dead and buried for 7 years now. ((ps thats no joke its real))

Lastly we the american consumer are responsible weve allowed these oil companies far too much leeway and control of our lives. weve been force fed a fuel souce and technology that quite frankly is 50 years out of date. weve had numerous alternate fuel technologies availale every thing from Hydrogen to bio fuels etc etc and so on available to us for decades. but weve allowed the automobile companies --and consequnetly because both are so deep in bed with each other-- the oil companies to bury or otherwise deny those technologies and the research behind them.

were ultimately responsble for this mess because we refuse to wean our selves off this toxic poison called oil which quite frankly we could do without.

this is a Nation that went from a depression era economy to a mass manufacturing war time giant in 6 months time after pearl harbor. if the country wanted to we could open numerous auto plants whose sole taks would be the manufacture of alternate fuel vehicles in multiple varieties and makes.

we could then have a nationwide program to trade off our old gass guzzlers for newer more fuel efficent vehicels. want proof look at cash for clunkers that program had to be stopped because it was TOO successful. Imagine the same program only this time its gass guzzlers for fuel efficiency.

simply put until we get over this notion of black gold and put the oil giants in their place, make our governement enforce restrictive --nigh draconian-- safety measures on these oil companies. we will continue to have to deal with these spills and the consequnces of them.

[Black Rose]

Nice analysis. you answered my question in the most comprehensive way. and some things made me stare at the cell phone screen like that

[Dreamer]

whos responsible? thats simple.

The republican parties at fault for its party line of free capitalism with no repsonsibility or consequences which lead directly to such lovely scandals such as Enron among others.

And they say UFO's exist.

Lastly we the american consumer are responsible weve allowed these oil companies far too much leeway and control of our lives. weve been force fed a fuel souce and technology that quite frankly is 50 years out of date. weve had numerous alternate fuel technologies availale every thing from Hydrogen to bio fuels etc etc and so on available to us for decades. but weve allowed the automobile companies --and consequnetly because both are so deep in bed with each other-- the oil companies to bury or otherwise deny those technologies a the research behind them.

Because oil was dirt cheap back then and congress nor the automobile manufacturers cared about anything else. Henry Ford had a Biodiesel powered engine but the fuel costs more than oil back then and the idea was forgotten about.

were ultimately responsble for this mess because we refuse to wean our selves off this toxic poison called oil which quite frankly we could do without.

There's a lot of materials that still have to be made from petroleum.

this is a Nation that went from a depression era economy to a mass manufacturing war time giant in 6 months time after pearl harbor. if the country wanted to we could open numerous auto plants whose sole taks would be the manufacture of alternate fuel vehicles in multiple varieties and makes.

Obama was supposed to fund this but somehow it never happened. Probably too many rich people starting up fake alternative energy companies and stealing the money.

we could then have a nationwide program to trade off our old gass guzzlers for newer more fuel efficent vehicels. want proof look at cash for clunkers that program had to be stopped because it was TOO successful. Imagine the same program only this time its gass guzzlers for fuel efficiency.

I like the idea but the automobile insurance on a new vehicle still cost to much for me.

simply put until we get over this notion of black gold and put the oil giants in their place, make our governement enforce restrictive --nigh draconian-- safety measures on these oil companies. we will continue to have to deal with these spills and the consequnces of them.

The government did try to force carbon taxes but the oil companies threatened to shutdown which could of resorted in many job losses so the government backed down.

Edited by Uzumakikage, 28 June 2010 - 10:01 PM.

[catsi563]

The government did try to force carbon taxes but the oil companies threatened to shutdown which could of resorted in many job losses so the government backed down.

my point exactly, a company shouldnt be able to threaten to shut down and tank an entire economy like they did, and like the automotive and insurance companies did.

And they say UFO's exist.

they do, I've seen 3 in my life time.

as to the republicans, well the dems arent exactly without blame either but they repubs are at the tip of the ice berg and have been for decades. ever since ronny raygun got into office ((and believe me im saying this from the perspective of someone who likes ronny)) the republicna parties had a long history of removing controls and oversight from buisness.

that lack of oversight lead directly to whats going on in the gulf now.

[Nee-sama]

UFO's DO exist!




... catsi beat me to it, shucks.

Edited by Nee-sama, 28 June 2010 - 10:16 PM.

[Black Rose]

Wish I could see one...

[Miss Soupy]

Lastly we the american consumer are responsible weve allowed these oil companies far too much leeway and control of our lives. weve been force fed a fuel souce and technology that quite frankly is 50 years out of date. weve had numerous alternate fuel technologies availale every thing from Hydrogen to bio fuels etc etc and so on available to us for decades. but weve allowed the automobile companies --and consequnetly because both are so deep in bed with each other-- the oil companies to bury or otherwise deny those technologies and the research behind them.

I don't think you know what you are talking about o.O 50 years out of date? Really? And LOL...BP funds biofuel research has done so for years. People didn't care about alternative fuel sources because they didn't think it was necessary. It was cheap and there was plenty of it. The demand was low for such technology. The moment gas prices climbed, people started looking for alternatives. It's as simple as that.

[Kyuudaime]

And they say UFO's exist.

they do, I've seen 3 in my life time.

I've seen 2 so far.

Eh, glad I'm not categorized into the "American consumer" since I haven't bought any gas/oil, yet.

[RyrineaHaruno]

I have yet too have an experience of UFO's cries. But they do exist xd.

[catsi563]

I don't think you know what you are talking about o.O 50 years out of date? Really? And LOL...BP funds biofuel research has done so for years. People didn't care about alternative fuel sources because they didn't think it was necessary. It was cheap and there was plenty of it. The demand was low for such technology. The moment gas prices climbed, people started looking for alternatives. It's as simple as that.

all oil companies fund that research soupy its good business to be ahead of the curve. and yes brazil has had non ethanol using engines for years now. thats just a small sample. theyve had the capacity to make electric cars since the 80s and theyve had alternate fuel technolgoy available form reseach done in Germany during WWII.

oils been obsolete as a reliable fuel source for decades now. its long since outlived its usefullness. the only thing keeping it going is that oil companies feed into a myth of an utter desperation for oil and the further myth that oils an inexhaustable resource.

quite frankly its somehting we can easilly do without. and to top it off studies show that if every drop of oil were to dry up and all oil were to be lost. while soicety would take a pretty hard hit, it would recover fully in less then 50 years.

[Cloud]

I have yet too have an experience of UFO's cries. But they do exist xd.

That's really ONE experience people DON'T want to have.

As for stopping the leak in August? Doubt it. Even if they did, the damage done is pretty much on the catastrophic scale.

[Kyuudaime]

That's really ONE experience people DON'T want to have.

As for stopping the leak in August? Doubt it. Even if they did, the damage done is pretty much on the catastrophic scale.

I thought it was cool, not as in the "taking me aboard thing" but just seeing them.

Uh, when I first heard of this, it just reminded me of a child spilling juice onto a carpet, it's sad really. Hopefully they'll get most of it somewhat soon.

[Black Rose]

Ok ufos are off-topic but how did you feel when you saw one?

[Nee-sama]

I thought it was cool, not as in the "taking me aboard thing" but just seeing them.

Uh, when I first heard of this, it just reminded me of a child spilling juice onto a carpet, it's sad really. Hopefully they'll get most of it somewhat soon.

Think of it more like the child left the bathroom sink running with the drain closed and the whole house got flooded and all the carpet and furniture has to be replaced. Plus the foundation got so soggy one section of the house sank leaving the kitchen area uneven with the rest of the home. Neighbors on both sides are complaining about how their property was affected and are demanding reparations from you.

[Nick Soapdish]

Yeah I heard recently that a Louisianian fisherman committed suicide about a week ago.

I also think the banning on off shore oil drilling is stupid from Obama and Congress. They don't have the slightest idea on how many other business and companies depend on off shore oil rigs: from drill bit manufacturers, companies that pre-fab/weld pipes to make up parts of the rig, manufactured valves, electronics PLC, refineries, and motors and pumps manufacturers. It will create a domino affect on job losses and layoff's. I agree that the offshore deep water rigs should be shut-ted down and inspected but immediately started back up after and shallow water drilling is just as safe as land drilling with the reservoir and well head above the water where it can be easily maintained.

You sound like you're talking about more than just the off-shore drilling, but also the rigs that are extracting oil through existing wells that haven't been banned.

One of the problems is that the regulators haven't been doing their jobs. It'll take time to inspect everything that was supposed to have been inspected long ago - by the oil companies themselves, then checked by the regulators and checked in person. And at the moment, I think that a lot of their people are working pretty hard at trying to figure out exactly what went wrong with Deepwater Horizon so they know what to look for elsewhere.

I don't think you know what you are talking about o.O 50 years out of date? Really? And LOL...BP funds biofuel research has done so for years. People didn't care about alternative fuel sources because they didn't think it was necessary. It was cheap and there was plenty of it. The demand was low for such technology. The moment gas prices climbed, people started looking for alternatives. It's as simple as that.

The problem has been that alternative energy takes time and the US hasn't been able to think more than a few years ahead of time. Back in '73 with the oil embargo, the US nearly stopped and everybody freaked out about needing alternative energy. So Nixon was pushing for an aggressive alternative energy plan - as was Carter. And Congress passed lukewarm CAFE standards to start reducing the amount of oil that we needed back in '78. And then, Reagan weakened those standards in '86 and not much has happened with them so fuel efficiency was fairly stagnant for the next couple decades.

Meanwhile, Brazil spazzed out about the same oil embargo in '73 and started pushing ethanol. But they kept pushing ethanol, even after gas prices dropped again. And now, they're pretty much energy independent and the world leader in biofuel technology. They still use oil and are drilling for more oil, but they didn't scuttle their other energy production in the process.