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[NeonRanger]

Yup yup, i understand now, someone already admit this forum now too boring and quiet and he purposely feeding the troll. So its clear that a lot of people here actually don't like peace.

Don't mind me, maybe that's why hes not getting ban, i hope more SS and NH fan join this forum.

 

I don't think it was because they don't like peace, but the forums get quiet at times. He brings humor. They will only ban him if he goes to far of hits a limit. So far he hasn't reached it yet on this forum.

[Nar123]

@ Nar123
If you check Narutoforum, every criticism will attributed to NS.  And infighting between NH and SS already end because people who done simply dismissed community as troll.
 
Btw do you ever check Evangelion film series, manga and Evangelion rebuilt, reboot in anime / manga world can happen as long as there are strong fans demand.  Kishi realized it, so he overturn all NS foundation and bait you to rage mode for protect his legacy.
 

You are whitewashing the situation in NF

There is almost no NS there anymore, SS constantly lives in delusion over the situation of their pairing and a big part of the NH fans react aggressively to any insinuation that Hinata isn't a pure perfect girl while insulting any other girl like Sakura for example, which ends up making the delusional SS fans get mad

Now, the Anti Sakura club/ anti- SS is full of NH and the anti Hinata is full of SS

The fandom is just a mess


And please, are you really trying to compare Eva with Naruto? Eva is a series with a popularity that Naruto can't even dream to ever reach, just compare the latest numbers of the Eva movie with Naruto's

And a reboot for Naruto is unlikely because of the fans that liked the ending for pairing bias, simple as that

[TheFirstEvil100]

 

This is why I love Caleb from Buffy and why Joss Whedon can do a bad guy so well, while Kishi can not I mean now damn sob story with this guy and not to mention what he did to Xander.

 

 

Just shows also what a good actor Nathan Fillion is as well.

[NeonRanger]

This came out yesterday. I guess Japanese prefer "gentle" women and men, as they are ranked highly. Or attractive women (but I don't think Hinata is attractive).

http://www.animenews...-partner/.98629

It's about which ideal partner they prefer. Hinata is number 6.

Hinata is too one dimensional, though.

Edited by NeonRanger, 13 February 2016 - 11:00 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Actually, men prefer the "gentle" while women prefer...well it varies. Gintoki and gentle? Lol. Don't make me laugh. I mean he is but you got to go through all that perks first.

That said boy, Kosaki huh? Well, she was ranked number 1 before in its popularity poll. Too bad she won't win but I digress. Anyway, I feel like time has truly changed. That or having men doing the vote only for female partner shows the simple dimension we're becoming. On the other hand, it is about partner more so than an actual couple but who knows. Either way, women has more diverse than guys. Man, we suck...

[NeonRanger]

Actually, men prefer the "gentle" while women prefer...well it varies. Gintoki and gentle? Lol. Don't make me laugh. I mean he is but you got to go through all that perks first.

That said boy, Kosaki huh? Well, she was ranked number 1 before in its popularity poll. Too bad she won't win but I digress. Anyway, I feel like time has truly changed. That or having men doing the vote only for female partner shows the simple dimension we're becoming. On the other hand, it is about partner more so than an actual couple but who knows. Either way, women has more diverse than guys. Man, we suck...

 

Yeah sorry, it's hard typing because my phone is pretty old and tends to freeze at times; I don't bother to look at my mistakes because I'm impatient with the freezes.

 

I heard JP men are imitated by stern JP women, but I don't know. It also doesn't explain why most western NH fans are male Hinata wankers, outside boobs and body and all. But sadly it's becoming more common. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Yeah sorry, it's hard typing because my phone is pretty old and tends to freeze at times; I don't bother to look at my mistakes because I'm impatient with the freezes.

 

I heard JP men are imitated by stern JP women, but I don't know. It also doesn't explain why most western NH fans are male Hinata wankers, outside boobs and body and all. But sadly it's becoming more common. 

Fun fact: In one poll, female fans voted Hinata as one of the five worst characters in the series.

[NeonRanger]

At least JP females have a good taste in a heroine.

[TouKen4Life3g]

At least JP females have a good taste in a heroine.

And hero from the look of it.

[db84x]

@ Nar123

I just show way to fight back, whatever you choose it is up to you.  But it really waste saw a huge collection of fan art and fanfiction can't go to fandom, since it more effective than debate. 

 

@ NeonRanger

That the fact about Japanese people, that why Kishi bait you to bash Hinata.  More you bash Hinata, more Naruto fandom distance themselves from NS.  So when time is come, his plan will go smoothly.

[Nar123]

@ Nar123
I just show way to fight back, whatever you choose it is up to you.  But it really waste saw a huge collection of fan art and fanfiction can't go to fandom, since it more effective than debate. 

Don't get all patronizing now, you haven't really shown anything beyond lies and nonsensical speculation

The Naruto fandom is broken, it's pure toxic now since the only ones truly remaining active are those that the ending catered to (aka those that only cared about pairings) and even them are now fighting each other

Why would anyone with a reasonable mind want to take part in such fandom anyway?

Edited by Nar123, 14 February 2016 - 10:28 PM.

[Namaenash]

Fun fact: In one poll, female fans voted Hinata as one of the five worst characters in the series.

 

Hi everyone, how are you guys doing? It's been a while since the last time I came here, I just came back from overseas and still in holidays mood I hope everyone's doing great! First off, happy holidays for those who celebrate!

 

 

Anyways, congrats for her and her fanbase

 

It's been so long, but I'm still quite surprised that until this day, there are people boasting their 'victory' of their preferred pairings over the other...

 

I'm not replying to anyone with my post, just my 2 cents until I get my holidays mood gone So, please take this piece of opinion with a grain of salt...

 

Frankly, I don’t quite understand the notion of winning or losing in fiction and literature. Naruto is nothing but a piece of fictional work. In and of itself, there was no competition at all, there was never any established finish line, there was never any KPI to indicate which pairing is better, etc.

 

There was only preferences and the story development that was written.

 

The story and its preferences are driven by its author, regardless of external influences. He inked the path of his story, he owned it and he’s accounted for. Everything else is just speculations and rumors.

 

As any published fictional works are treated, people reading the fiction have all the rights to voice their opinion, especially those who followed it since it’s first published back in late 90’s / early 2000 – I owned the SJ edition of the first few chapters when I was studying in Japan, and the hardcopy volumes, the DVD packs, merchandises, collectibles, etc. Granted, it didn’t cost me a lot of fortune --less than $1,000, at most? If you factor in all those import tax and fee… not that it matters, I threw all of it anyways). So, yes, I have all the rights to voice my opinion.

 

If there’s any competition, the fair comparison should be based on the net effect of the storyline that is taken. So, if one would like to compare [Naruto->Sakura->Sasuke love triangle storyline] vs [nH+SS theme], they should see it from the net impact upon the established storyline was inked.

 

Naruto->Sakura->Sasuke love triangle storyline has been there since chapter 3 of this series. It lasts until chapter 698, or about close to 15 years later, before everything went down the hill and the story is concluded horribly. There was close-to-zero Hinata portion in this theme. There was hardly any positive SS development or SS morale message during this period. It’s a generic theme about a hard-working, never give up young boy who fight for good and starts from zero, had a crush with a tsundere girl who turned out to blindly like his rival (checkout Slam Dunk for reference, etc).

 

This theme, together with the universe built around the story, has managed to get the author some awards from Japanese Govt. It has also managed to be one of the top 5 selling manga as of date (few hundred million worldwide). It’s quite an achievement, so to say…

 

On the other side of comparison, we have nH+SS theme.

 

nH+SS and its (broken) family theme starts from 699 onwards (plus the gaiden). You can consider the two movies that came out afterwards if you will. The one which was considered as one of the worst Naruto movie ever, story-wise, that it forms negative public opinion about Naruto and Hinata. I haven’t read Gaiden, but I won’t be surprised if Hinata is nowhere to be found in that mini-series. They need to do the damage control due to the backlash anyways. I heard the story was about finding who the real mother of Salad is. Which I think has nothing to do with the Boruto movie. Isn’t this mini-series supposed to introduce us to the new hero together with his newfound family and the series’ new heroine? If The Last was so successful and well-received, why deviate to other theme which has no impact and no coherence to the entire storyline?

 

You can also include its subsequent movie, which was advertised at the end of The Last. Signifying that upon the release of The Last, Boruto movie is already in pre-production (otherwise they would never advertise it in advance). You know, the one that promised to give away 2 million copies of freebies/bonus short story, but in the end the total viewer is not even reaching that much. Go to oricon.co.jp or eiga.com for stats and try to extrapolate yourself. It’s barely reaching 1.6 - 1.7 million (depending on your average assumption of ticket price). Frankly, I won’t be surprised if the new heroine, Hinata, has a little-to-none screen time in Boruto movie as well. If she’s so popular, logically she should be promoted in every single poster of Naruto movies and TV episodes right? She should be as prominent as Sakura was during Road to Ninja right? Fighting alongside the main hero. Or if she’s the mother of the new generation’s hero, she should be as prominent as Kushina was during Road to Ninja –giving some enjoyable interaction with his son instead of just watching the scene goes by. Right?

 

So, really, the question that nH+SS fans should ask themselves, before jumping the gun, boasting and mocking other fandom are these few simple questions:

 

How much can they achieve going forward with this theme? Can the story last for yet another 15 years? Can nH+SS theme achieve more than its predecessor?

 

Until the answers to these questions arrived, there’s literally no need to spend time and energy debating. In the end, the one winning or losing is the content producer. The one that made investment in hope to gain greater returns. Whether they do get greater returns or not is not publicly known. No one outside the studio has this knowledge. What’s circulating on the internet is just rumors and speculations. Whether their decision was right with the new direction of the theme (nH+SS family), or they realized they made a huge mistake by listening to the loud minority.

 

Here’s a little advice from an old lady like me: don’t spend too much time and energy discussing rumors and speculations. In God we trust, all others bring data :) –especially if you get some info from random person you’ve never met in the internet.

 

But touching on those topics, you can sort of make a wild guess based on the events that follow through.

 

If The Last was so successful, why the studio didn’t promote her more prominently. She should be the new sidekick of Naruto right? It’s been more than a year since it’s established.

 

If Boruto was so successful, why didn’t they rush to start with its manga and anime production? It would generate more income rather than prolonging the story based on the old generation right?

 

On all accounts, obviously they can try to milk and prolong as much as they can. And that’s okay, it’s their money anyways. Whatever the case, NS fandom is definitely not going to be part of the equation of this franchise anymore, given the way they treated us. Majority of us will no longer financing this series going forward. So, it’s up to nH+SS and the remaining fans whose hoping the storyline will get its groove back.

 

Needless to say, death by a thousand cuts, is a much crueler way of ending one’s life –or in this case, a franchise. It’s the slow knife that cuts the deepest.

 

We’ll see the outcome within the next 5 years or so… :)

 

 

PS: Happy Birthday TouKen4Life! Wish you all the best!

Edited by Namaenash, 14 February 2016 - 03:15 PM.

[Nar123]

 

Hi everyone, how are you guys doing? It's been a while since the last time I came here, I just came back from overseas and still in holidays mood I hope everyone's doing great! First off, happy holidays for those who celebrate!

 

 

Anyways, congrats for her and her fanbase

 

It's been so long, but I'm still quite surprised that until this day, there are people boasting their 'victory' of their preferred pairings over the other...

 

I'm not replying to anyone with my post, just my 2 cents until I get my holidays mood gone So, please take this piece of opinion with a grain of salt...

 

Frankly, I don’t quite understand the notion of winning or losing in fiction and literature. Naruto is nothing but a piece of fictional work. In and of itself, there was no competition at all, there was never any established finish line, there was never any KPI to indicate which pairing is better, etc.

 

There was only preferences and the story development that was written.

 

The story and its preferences are driven by its author, regardless of external influences. He inked the path of his story, he owned it and he’s accounted for. Everything else is just speculations and rumors.

 

As any published fictional works are treated, people reading the fiction have all the rights to voice their opinion, especially those who followed it since it’s first published back in late 90’s / early 2000 – I owned the SJ edition of the first few chapters when I was studying in Japan, and the hardcopy volumes, the DVD packs, merchandises, collectibles, etc. Granted, it didn’t cost me a lot of fortune --less than $1,000, at most? If you factor in all those import tax and fee… not that it matters, I threw all of it anyways). So, yes, I have all the rights to voice my opinion.

 

If there’s any competition, the fair comparison should be based on the net effect of the storyline that is taken. So, if one would like to compare [Naruto->Sakura->Sasuke love triangle storyline] vs [nH+SS theme], they should see it from the net impact upon the established storyline was inked.

 

Naruto->Sakura->Sasuke love triangle storyline has been there since chapter 3 of this series. It lasts until chapter 698, or about close to 15 years later, before everything went down the hill and the story is concluded horribly. There was close-to-zero Hinata portion in this theme. There was hardly any positive SS development or SS morale message during this period. It’s a generic theme about a hard-working, never give up young boy who fight for good and starts from zero, had a crush with a tsundere girl who turned out to blindly like his rival (checkout Slam Dunk for reference, etc).

 

This theme, together with the universe built around the story, has managed to get the author some awards from Japanese Govt. It has also managed to be one of the top 5 selling manga as of date (few hundred million worldwide). It’s quite an achievement, so to say…

 

On the other side of comparison, we have nH+SS theme.

 

nH+SS and its (broken) family theme starts from 699 onwards (plus the gaiden). You can consider the two movies that came out afterwards if you will. The one which was considered as one of the worst Naruto movie ever, story-wise, that it forms negative public opinion about Naruto and Hinata. I haven’t read Gaiden, but I won’t be surprised if Hinata is nowhere to be found in that mini-series. They need to do the damage control due to the backlash anyways. I heard the story was about finding who the real mother of Salad is. Which I think has nothing to do with the Boruto movie. Isn’t this mini-series supposed to introduce us to the new hero together with his newfound family and the series’ new heroine? If The Last was so successful and well-received, why deviate to other theme which has no impact and no coherence to the entire storyline?

 

You can also include its subsequent movie, which was advertised at the end of The Last. Signifying that upon the release of The Last, Boruto movie is already in pre-production (otherwise they would never advertise it in advance). You know, the one that promised to give away 2 million copies of freebies/bonus short story, but in the end the total viewer is not even reaching that much. Go to oricon.co.jp or eiga.com for stats and try to extrapolate yourself. It’s barely reaching 1.6 - 1.7 million (depending on your average assumption of ticket price). Frankly, I won’t be surprised if the new heroine, Hinata, has a little-to-none screen time in Boruto movie as well. If she’s so popular, logically she should be promoted in every single poster of Naruto movies and TV episodes right? She should be as prominent as Sakura was during Road to Ninja right? Fighting alongside the main hero. Or if she’s the mother of the new generation’s hero, she should be as prominent as Kushina was during Road to Ninja –giving some enjoyable interaction with his son instead of just watching the scene goes by. Right?

 

So, really, the question that nH+SS fans should ask themselves, before jumping the gun, boasting and mocking other fandom are these few simple questions:

 

How much can they achieve going forward with this theme? Can the story last for yet another 15 years? Can nH+SS theme achieve more than its predecessor?

 

Until the answers to these questions arrived, there’s literally no need to spend time and energy debating. In the end, the one winning or losing is the content producer. The one that made investment in hope to gain greater returns. Whether they do get greater returns or not is not publicly known. No one outside the studio has this knowledge. What’s circulating on the internet is just rumors and speculations. Whether their decision was right with the new direction of the theme (nH+SS family), or they realized they made a huge mistake by listening to the loud minority.

 

Here’s a little advice from an old lady like me: don’t spend too much time and energy discussing rumors and speculations. In God we trust, all others bring data :) –especially if you get some info from random person you’ve never met in the internet.

 

But touching on those topics, you can sort of make a wild guess based on the events that follow through.

 

If The Last was so successful, why the studio didn’t promote her more prominently. She should be the new sidekick of Naruto right? It’s been more than a year since it’s established.

 

If Boruto was so successful, why didn’t they rush to start with its manga and anime production? It would generate more income rather than prolonging the story based on the old generation right?

 

On all accounts, obviously they can try to milk and prolong as much as they can. And that’s okay, it’s their money anyways. Whatever the case, NS fandom is definitely not going to be part of the equation of this franchise anymore, given the way they treated us. Majority of us will no longer financing this series going forward. So, it’s up to nH+SS and the remaining fans whose hoping the storyline will get its groove back.

 

Needless to say, death by a thousand cuts, is a much crueler way of ending one’s life –or in this case, a franchise. It’s the slow knife that cuts the deepest.

 

We’ll see the outcome within the next 5 years or so… :)

 

 

PS: Happy Birthday TouKen4Life! Wish you all the best!

 

 

Perfect post

 

good to see you back here, Namaenash

[Bail o' Lies]

 

She is in one image in the gaiden. When bolt is told by salad the "importance of a bento." He has this miserable and ashamed look on his face and we see an image of hinata who was a "...sad?/somber" expression on her face. As for the Bolt movie haven't watched but she barely in that as well. She at the birthday party, Naruto uses her to confirm Bolt is cheating, and she has a "expression" when she see her son in his dad old outfit.

 

"I heard the story was about finding who the real mother of Salad is." Yes and one the main thing that happened through chapter 1-8 is Salad constantly tearing apart, poking holes, and bashing SS. That and her interaction with Naruto is the only reason to actually read the gaiden. Originally the gaiden was suppose to be a one shot just to introduce Salad. But so many fan kept asking question about SS and SK. That kishi made it a ten chapter miniseries. At least that what some said he said in an interview. The fact that kishi when making a ss focused mini series decided to bash it and tear it apart shows me how he feels about the pairing. From what i heard on tumbler the ending of gaiden happened because ss were furious about what kishi was doing for the first 8 chapter. That was the editors were so terrified they would loss a large portion of the remaining fanbase they order kishi to make the ending ss. (At least that's what I've heard.) Which had the same feel to me that the ending did. 

 

The main connection that the gaiden has with the Bolt movie. Is Salad starts idolizing Naruto by the end of the gaiden and wants to become hokage.

 

Remember this. The reason for this ending happening was, they believe that if they made the ending nH they would make big money internationally.

 

The Last merchandise along what is standard for an anime movie in japan was a CD with Nana singing, and an alarm clock with hinata saying Naruto-kun. Neither sold well from what I hear. Internationally it did better then most indie anime movies that are shown in theaters internationally. But that it. By about February when kishi received some reward he look pale, sick and miserable. As well as also he gives advice to up and coming mangaka was don't listen to annoying people that tell you to change your story (or something like that it's been a year). People believe he was either talking about his fans or his editors. But by that point you can already see the "success" of the nH plan.

 

The bolt movie did as well as it did because it was clear they had abandon nH for the most part (it still apart of the story now simply because of the last and the ending)and just went for full SNS, and made BS a mixture of NS/SNS/SK. Which did better than the last enough for them to release a yaoi CD with Naruto Sasuke expies.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 15 February 2016 - 01:40 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's more of SNS did the trick.

[Bail o' Lies]

It's more of SNS did the trick.

Did the trick for what? Context?

[TouKen4Life3g]

Did the trick for what? Context?

Moviegoers. How many trailers highlight that? It's a blind tactic to find out what granted the success rate. It's like what my girlfriend once said, "Sometimes people just watch anime just for seiyuu." It may not apply here but you get the idea.

[rocci]

@touken
That's true.

Wow Hinata is number 6.
Seem like she's get more popular in japan.

[NeonRanger]

I guess so considering how much she was wanked in NNS4.

But that's only men's top choice. Touken also mentioned the poll in which she is hated by females.

Honestly, with JP still dealing with sexism, I shouldn't see this as surprising. I know that JP is dealing with low birth rate, which is why they are supporting people into having kids.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@touken
That's true.

Wow Hinata is number 6.
Seem like she's get more popular in japan.

Well, we are dealing with men, so this is the first for me since everything is about pairing, which she doesn't get around except that bad one. That said it only shows you that men would only think single dimensional women as women do like tough and smart ones, though not shown here. If anything, they have variety. Men we suck...