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[luffyq1]

You know what would be messed up? Obito wakes up and remember there was a girl that was very shy, but recall that she loved him. She moved on and married the guy and gave birth to, you guessed it, Hanabi and Hinata. Obito tells Naruto that there's always option and then dies. Naruto wants to end the war super fast to save Hinata. Sakura agrees somehow. Yeah!

Seriously, this chapter pretty much tells you why we with Naruto and Sasuke only for now. Otherwise, if Kakashi and Sakura was already participating, you'll just see Kaguya keep knocking them away as Zetsu tells his story. It will look goofy.

I wouldn't want to take love advice from a terrorist.

[TouKen4Life3g]

@firefox: But here's the thing, Madara went through hell and he was already planning peace since he was young in the flashback. When he lost all of his family, he was beginning to lose his mind and wants what's fair. Hashirama wants balanced, so Madara agreed and he was beginning to recover. But his people and Senju didn't like the idea of Madara being Hokage because he can be crazy and basically trust was ruined a long time ago. So Madara got betrayed by everyone. Remember the location they were at, he was at the tablet spot. That's when Madara went crazy. Remember, he always wanted peace but at the same time, he wants what's fair. The moon eye plan is the way to go. He lost everything, so if you become desperate, you'll do anything to get that dream.

Recall that Zetsu kept waiting and waiting. Madara has a best shot until he lost to Hashirama. Zetsu was about to give up on him but little did he know, Madara was a legit genius. After all, he did the plan. It wasn't a total fail. Now you said that at anytime, someone will take the bait. Maybe, but it wouldn't be the same timeline as today. So you can say what if the one who took the bait happened after Naruto is dead. Anything is possible.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Onepiece creat standard that follow by other manga, just like dragonball did 20 years ago.
Naruto doesn't use boss, mini boss, henchmen system.
That's why many character doesn't get action time.

@ns4life
I don't follow fairytail consistently, can you give me a spoiler since the giant land.

THe main difference is that One Piece doesnt have a goal set.

[AHK]

What RS wrote is probably something about all connecting and understand one another and working together for achieving peace after all that is his Ninshu .
 
But also Didn't Madara said that what was written on the tablet was "If Two Opposite Forces/Powers Work Together There Would Be Peace/Happiness" the thing is this could also be interpreted as "If Senju and Uciha Work Together/Cooperate with one another not steal and combine that power into One" .
 
This is why i disagree that this chapter puts out the blame of  the  Uciha's and makes them "victims" even if they were "manipulated" , I mean how stupid/idiotic/retarded do you have to be to believe that this is the way to achieve peace or that putting all people under IT is the answer ?
 
For crying out loud even Naruto who we all can agree is not the brightest when it comes to deciphering things knows that this is complete and utter bullsh** and this is not peace but dictatorship . In the end the Uciha's chose to go this way even if it's the wrong one but they are to kittening stupid to realize this this chap IMO only made them look like the most stupidest/idiotic clan ever also its not like Indra wasn't all about power and trying to go that way even before BZ "tempted him" BZ only gave him another option and the fool took it and believed in it .
 
Also what about the Izanagi/Izanami thing were it was said that they were killing each other just to gain a spare eye so they can use that jutsu over and over and this has nothing to do with what was written on that tablet by BZ about the IT , not to mention that they go berserk when they loose someone they love . Itachi was right when he said that they are power hungry idiots that can't see past their clan and he did the right thing by erasing them .
 
All in All what i'm trying to say is that this in no way paints them as "the victims" or exclude them from anything even if they know that going this way is wrong they still accepted it and chose to go with "Peace Trough Power" this just paints them as insane/unstable and borderline stupid/idiots  its their fault that they choose this way the "Peace Trough Power Way" and it doesn't erase their "curse of hatred" .
 
Sorry about this LAP i just needed to vent for a bit from all this confusion that people made , still the Uciha's are unstable idiots and they are better of dead or put in some mental institution since there is no cure for their insanity and idiocy that is their nature  . 

But even so 4life even if the text said that by doing the IT everyone would be saved (of course this means taking people's free will and subdue them to this ) how stupid do you have to be to believe in those words ? That's just ridiculous . And if not for Madara there would have been someone else going this way . Even if BZ didn't alter the Tablet and didn't put the IT way there he would have went with the "Peace trough Power " option anyway , after all this was what Indra was originally doing even before the RS wrote that Tablet and the reason why he lost the battle of leadership .

I couldn't agree more. The Uchiha made all the choices on their own, the only people they can blame for their trouble is themselves. They decided to put faith in a tablet rather then the world around them, and decided to try to use force to obtain power.

To me it's the same as when people try to excuse Sasuke's actions because he was Indra's reincarnation or (regarding his actions at the bridge) because he was immersed in the Uchihas curse of hatred or was mentally unstable. He made all of the choices he did on his own, he is accountable for his actions. No excuses.

[only Naruto]

You know what frustrates me about Naruto?

 

He has absolutely no confidence with Sakura. Sure, he's pretty straightforward when it comes to supporting her or showing concern for her, but when it comes to sensitive topics like his feelings for her or what she feels for him,  his confidence just melts away. When I see fanfics of Naruto trying to win over Sakura and being bold with his affection after Sasuke left, I can't help thinking how OCC it is for him and it bothers me because it shouldn't be like that.

 

Think about it. Naruto is always holding back with Sakura; he's never seriously straightforward about how much he loves or cares for her. Naruto doesn't have any problem flirting with her, but he never does anything with it. He just keeps it light and unserious; no wonder why Sakura didn't know he loved her. He just withholds himself and withholds himself to the point where it's ironically more likely for Sakura to make a serious move on their relationship than Naruto.

 

I understand why Naruto's like this. It's because of how much affection he saw Sakura show towards Sasuke in Part 1. Naruto's never going to give up on Sakura, but it seems to me he developed insecurities post-PoaL about Sakura reciprocating. He can't see past how much she loved Sasuke and he can't truly see how close he is actually getting Sakura. All he sees is her love for Sasuke.

 

It frustrates me so much that Naruto puts himself through things like that when he's over-exaggerating everything and misinterpreting Sakura's feelings. He makes it harder on himself than he has to. It's so painful to watch Naruto hold back on his love for Sakura because he thinks she loves Sasuke when it's so obvious that things are changing between them.

 

I just, for once, want Naruto to take a chance, get out of his shell, and actually be more confident with her. He wouldn't get a negative result like he apparently seems to think. It'd be so great to see Naruto genuinely comfortable showing how much he loves Sakura without thinking he shouldn't because she loves Sasuke. It's so ironic how Naruto's feelings for Sakura are supposed to be obvious, yet he never does anything with it; it's always been Sakura so far.

 

I say this not just because of NS, but as fan of Naruto in general. Seeing Naruto realize how deeply Sakura cares for him and not try to hold back his feelings so much would be extremely rewarding.

 

It'd just be nice to see him stop torturing himself.

i understand your point but i have to disagree.i believe naruto isnt trying to win sakura this whole time because sasuke isnt there with them .he feel if he won sakuras love while sasuke is gone its like betraying him and that he didnt win her fairly  .he want to win her after sasuke is back and that is what i think will happen .if u noticed in chapter 632 when sasuke pretend to save sakura .and sakura said sasuke kun .naruto said am here too sakura chan .cause he felt jealous and tries to win her cause sasuke back in the picture.that how i see it and sure i could be wrong  btw really nice point.

[only Naruto]

That's a very interesting topic that many forget to comment

But I think Naruto feels insecure about Sakura romantic feelings for him for the reason that he has never witnessed firsthand everything that makes Sakura for him, or is unconscious or semi dead, or too distracted training ...

 when Sakura does stuff in the first half of part 1 as the test Chunnin Naruto does not know nothing about this NS moment works in Sakura's thoughts , or when she save Naruto life in Orochimaru's attack Naruto is unconscious, and what about 245 when Sakura is desperate to help him and she cries? ...  of course! he's passed out, chapter 663? the poor boy was dead and could not attend his first not kiss official
 
I mean like why Naruto may be more aware of Sakura love  for him if unable to be in their 5 senses not even when NS happens, I've always wondered how to do Kishimoto to Naruto can believe how much Sakura loves him, should there is any way if he made black Zetsu will control everything and manipulate all in a way that was not easy for the reader to find out, must have planned something to trigger these events for Naruto, I also wanted for years that Chapter 3 returns at the bench scene, I think this chapter have very powerful memories, feelings, psicology deep emotions well a lot of things.

agree with your points.and i feel the bench scene is coming soon .and anyway it comes it good for Ns  

[sushi.]

Am I the only one tired of this manga and series all together? Sigh. Part 1 of this series was way better. Good times....

I've gotten used to it. The drop in quality, it happened so slowly. It was sneaky. There was no shocking transition, and I didn't notice it at first.

[only Naruto]

That's the reason people who pretend to be neutral give as an excuse to their hate towards Sakura, but in reality, the only reason why they hate Sakura so much is just because she's on the way of Hinat

in the heart of sakura chan haters well said 

[only Naruto]

@romancegirl
Kishi purposely hide naruto feeling for the entire part 2.
And develope more sakura to naruto. That's why it seem sakura the one who chase naruto & not the other way.
Naruto highest developement is poal.
Sakura highest developement is kage summit.
After that NS interaction take absent in war arc until minato comment.
That's why I make prediction about sakura > naruto moment follow by naruto > sakura moment.
Then resolution in naruto vs sasuke arc.

@pepsi
It's 2014.

amazing post as always short but so effective .

Edited by only Naruto, 20 June 2014 - 04:12 PM.

[Nostradamus]

 

Why ? Because Hinata is on some poster or bus ? Please...   don't be ruined by those little things.

I was kidding. Although seeing Hinata does make me .

 

I think the original text is don't do moon eye because you'll kill everyone, not save them but Zetsu made it sound like dream can come true. It took a while but Madara took the bait because of his past. The funny thing is if he died by the time the war ended, this whole thing wouldn't happen, but once he found the tablet and got shoved by Senju and Uchiha, he basically said screw it.

As for the twist I mentioned, yeah, I think I will rage on that, because this one would be "oh now I remember" than "here's my story."

What RS wrote is probably something about all connecting and understand one another and working together for achieving peace after all that is his Ninshu .

 

But also Didn't Madara said that what was written on the tablet was "If Two Opposite Forces/Powers Work Together There Would Be Peace/Happiness" the thing is this could also be interpreted as "If Senju and Uciha Work Together/Cooperate with one another not steal and combine that power into One" .

 

This is why i disagree that this chapter puts out the blame of  the  Uciha's and makes them "victims" even if they were "manipulated" , I mean how stupid/idiotic/retarded do you have to be to believe that this is the way to achieve peace or that putting all people under IT is the answer ?

 

For crying out loud even Naruto who we all can agree is not the brightest when it comes to deciphering things knows that this is complete and utter bullsh** and this is not peace but dictatorship . In the end the Uciha's chose to go this way even if it's the wrong one but they are to kittening stupid to realize this this chap IMO only made them look like the most stupidest/idiotic clan ever also its not like Indra wasn't all about power and trying to go that way even before BZ "tempted him" BZ only gave him another option and the fool took it and believed in it .

 

Also what about the Izanagi/Izanami thing were it was said that they were killing each other just to gain a spare eye so they can use that jutsu over and over and this has nothing to do with what was written on that tablet by BZ about the IT , not to mention that they go berserk when they loose someone they love . Itachi was right when he said that they are power hungry idiots that can't see past their clan and he did the right thing by erasing them .

 

All in All what i'm trying to say is that this in no way paints them as "the victims" or exclude them from anything even if they know that going this way is wrong they still accepted it and chose to go with "Peace Trough Power" this just paints them as insane/unstable and borderline stupid/idiots  its their fault that they choose this way the "Peace Trough Power Way" and it doesn't erase their "curse of hatred" .

 

Sorry about this LAP i just needed to vent for a bit from all this confusion that people made , still the Uciha's are unstable idiots and they are better of dead or put in some mental institution since there is no cure for their insanity and idiocy that is their nature  . 

But even so 4life even if the text said that by doing the IT everyone would be saved (of course this means taking people's free will and subdue them to this ) how stupid do you have to be to believe in those words ? That's just ridiculous . And if not for Madara there would have been someone else going this way . Even if BZ didn't alter the Tablet and didn't put the IT way there he would have went with the "Peace trough Power " option anyway , after all this was what Indra was originally doing even before the RS wrote that Tablet and the reason why he lost the battle of leadership . 

What if the Rikudou Sennin wrote tablet like the ten commandments.

"Thou shalt not kill someone you love to obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan.

 Thou shalt not watch someone you love die to obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan.

 If thou shalt obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan; Thou shalt not steal Senju Cells to obtain the Rinnegan.

 If thou shalt obtain the Rinnegan; Thou shalt not gather the Bijuu's to form the Juubi."

And then at the end the Rikudou wrote "PS. Ah screw it, you're going to do it anyway because you're Uchiha's. So forget what I wrote."

Edited by Nostradamus, 20 June 2014 - 04:12 PM.

[only Naruto]

I still get a good chuckle out of this. lol Jessi's the best anti Hinata fan.

 

u made

u made my day  i have nothing against hinata  but this is true and really funny

[narusaku256]

I was kidding. Although seeing Hinata does make me .
 
What if the Rikudou Sennin wrote tablet like the ten commandments.
"Thou shalt not kill someone you love to obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan.
 Thou shalt not watch someone you love die to obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan.
 If thou shalt obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan; Thou shalt not steal Senju Cells to obtain the Rinnegan.
 If thou shalt obtain the Rinnegan; Thou shalt not gather the Bijuu's to form the Juubi."
And then at the end the Rikudou wrote "PS. Ah screw it, you're going to do it anyway because you're Uchiha's. So forget what I wrote."

LOL XD

[only Naruto]

There There Buddy I know exactly how you feel I can't stand to see her face any longer either if only there was someone who can chop her head of and erase her existence  . Oh!!! Wait I got it  Does anyone have Sasuke's cell/phone number i need to tell him that what was written on the tablet was a lie and completely wrong and the truth is that "If he chop Hinata's head of he would save the world and the Uciha's" Yep that should definitely work .    

hahaha if sasuke do this am sure that so many or all NS fans will love him  

[sushi.]

That's the reason people who pretend to be neutral give as an excuse to their hate towards Sakura, but in reality, the only reason why they hate Sakura so much is just because she's on the way of Hinata. 

My impression is that most Hinata fans like Sakura. But we don't like Hinata. Even on this page, she is already our laughing stock.

[megi]

It's an unfair judgement to say that people don't like Sakura because they like Hinata. 

I'm also against the idea that a female character has to be hated due to her comparison to another female character. 

[咲耶姫]

My impression is that most Hinata fans like Sakura. But we don't like Hinata. Even on this page, she is already our laughing stock.

It's an unfair judgement to say that people don't like Sakura because they like Hinata. 

I'm also against the idea that a female character has to be hated due to her comparison to another female character. 

This is just my opinion coming from the impression other forums are giving me and I have never participated in the debate laughing at Hinata fans which was a lot present since a few days. 

[AHK]

My impression is that most Hinata fans like Sakura. But we don't like Hinata. Even on this page, she is already our laughing stock.

  

It's an unfair judgement to say that people don't like Sakura because they like Hinata. 
I'm also against the idea that a female character has to be hated due to her comparison to another female character.

It's unfair to a certain extent, but only if you're generalizing. Most people that I've come across that are Hinata fans hate Sakura because of the whole love thing. The ones that I come across hate Sakura because she over shadows Hinata in every aspect, especially in the one aspect of which Hinata was created (pairing). Most, but not all.

[JILLNYN]

Somehow I feel bad and a little guilty about joking to Hinata , but I can not help feeling something wrong in my stomach when I see her character, the funny thing is that I do not hate / hated her character really is ridiculous, she was a general a irrelevant character in the plot, but I think what sparked many we started to having aberration for her was her Hinata fans that overrate her and placed at the center of the universe as an untouchable goddess ... while of course! Sakura is a selfish kitten who likes to hit Naruto, Sakura is "useless"  but in this logic is the same or worse in her goddess but obviously they never notice this fact.

[FireFox]

@firefox: But here's the thing, Madara went through hell and he was already planning peace since he was young in the flashback. When he lost all of his family, he was beginning to lose his mind and wants what's fair. Hashirama wants balanced, so Madara agreed and he was beginning to recover. But his people and Senju didn't like the idea of Madara being Hokage because he can be crazy and basically trust was ruined a long time ago. So Madara got betrayed by everyone. Remember the location they were at, he was at the tablet spot. That's when Madara went crazy. Remember, he always wanted peace but at the same time, he wants what's fair. The moon eye plan is the way to go. He lost everything, so if you become desperate, you'll do anything to get that dream.

Recall that Zetsu kept waiting and waiting. Madara has a best shot until he lost to Hashirama. Zetsu was about to give up on him but little did he know, Madara was a legit genius. After all, he did the plan. It wasn't a total fail. Now you said that at anytime, someone will take the bait. Maybe, but it wouldn't be the same timeline as today. So you can say what if the one who took the bait happened after Naruto is dead. Anything is possible.

I'm aware of the above for what drove Madara to that point  but still what i was trying to say is even if BZ didn't wrote that he would have still gone the path of achieving "Peace trough Power" its just the means for that would have been different just like Indra was going about that before the Tablet and BZ tempting him . 

 

As for the bolded i agree the timeline would have been different and it took BZ quite a lot of time for someone to took it  but still their Uciha insanity is in their blood so someone would have took it eventually i think  , but my point was even with BZ altering the tablet it was still their choice he didn't force them to go to trough that path  that's why to me they are insane and idiotic clan ( even though Madara was desperate) to even believe that was written was the path trough peace you know putting all that faith in what was written on that tablet which of course wasn't the right thing to do ,  all of this just made them insane stupid idiots not victims because it was their choice in the end .  

 

I couldn't agree more. The Uchiha made all the choices on their own, the only people they can blame for their trouble is themselves. They decided to put faith in a tablet rather then the world around them, and decided to try to use force to obtain power.

To me it's the same as when people try to excuse Sasuke's actions because he was Indra's reincarnation or (regarding his actions at the bridge) because he was immersed in the Uchihas curse of hatred or was mentally unstable. He made all of the choices he did on his own, he is accountable for his actions. No excuses.

Exactly (especially the Sasuke thing) nobody forced them they had options/choices and they choose poorly , even if the truth about the tablet is revealed who's to say that after some time an Uciha won't go insane and go on a different way to achieve that or go for the same path also ? I mean with the way that they are portrayed as insane/unstable/idiotic/and easily manipulative  the chances that they won't do it are not in their favor at all . 

 

I was kidding. Although seeing Hinata does make me .

 

What if the Rikudou Sennin wrote tablet like the ten commandments.

"Thou shalt not kill someone you love to obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan.

 Thou shalt not watch someone you love die to obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan.

 If thou shalt obtain the Mangekyou Sharingan; Thou shalt not steal Senju Cells to obtain the Rinnegan.

 If thou shalt obtain the Rinnegan; Thou shalt not gather the Bijuu's to form the Juubi."

And then at the end the Rikudou wrote "PS. Ah screw it, you're going to do it anyway because you're Uchiha's. So forget what I wrote."

        Someone should make a MEME out of this and put it in the hall of fame , that last line though is priceless        

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 20 June 2014 - 05:43 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I understand. It's just that everyone will do it through power like Indra and Kaguya, but Zetsu wants Kaguya back again, so that tablet is for them to wake her up. So either way, nothing but madness one way or another.