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Posted 13 January 2016 - 04:09 PM

Michael Bay.Transformer will still go on no matter how bad you think his movies are. The Last has help lead to the decline and eventual fall of the Naruto franchise.

 

I agree with you one hundred percent on that for Transformers since the movies aren't the only source of their existence given the tv shows and video games that come out. Which helps people choose their preferred version of Transformers where as with Naruto there's only the manga and anime which are kinda just adaptations.  

 

Plus I don't actually hate the Transformer movies  in fact I adore the first Michael Bay Transformers movie,  Revenge of the Fallen while I understand people hated it to me it was rather entertaining and kinda of a guilty pleasure of mine.  Finally we have Dark of the Moon and that is actually my second favorite film in the series.  As far Age of Extinctions go there were some neat ideas like seeing a darker side to Optimus Prime, how the dinosaurs were extinct, and seeing Mark Walberg playing the role of a father, but I don't think that's enough to save the movie.  

 

No question, Age of Extinction.

At least I'm able to turn off my brain and simply enjoy watching the (robot) characters and I actually did like that Optimus had lost his hope in humanity after all that's happened because it made him a bit more realistic as a character, and at least Cade actually got deeper into the action with actually fighting with that blaster or fighting the CIA agents rather than simply always running away or standing off the side, yelling names.

The Last? Even the brain-dead would not be able to ignore the travesties that take place in it.

 

 

I've really enjoyed that too when it comes to Age of Extinction, things like that in the story really got my attention and kept me interested, but I  think my distaste for the film might be the amount of action that was thrown into the movie I kinda feel like it was a bit overkill.  

 

Ya i'm going with Age of Extinction hell i'll Dark of the Moon over the Last at least Age and Dark there is some entertainment with them. Optimus and Cade were the best parts of Age of Extimction and Hound was pretty cool but i'm still prefer Ironhide. I'd even take Plan 9 form Outer Space over the Last. I want to see an MST3K version of the last and bolt. 

 

Hmm that's a really good point even though it's kinda obvious when comparing to the last, and Optimus and Cade were the interesting things in Age of Extinction.  

 

i enjoyed age of extinction more the other transformers sequels. at least here they SORT OF tried. optimus actually has an arc!!! Marky mark is a way more likable protagonist than shia's sam. When optimus got mad over ratchet, you felt for him. holy ship this movie got an emotion out of me that wasn't "i dont care. im bored."

 

were the daughter and boyfriend annoying? to an extent. but they were plot devices more than characters.

 

you could tell which bot was which and their characters showed despite being stereotypes (werent the og transformers stereotypes as well? i didn't watch g1, i grew up with beast wars) they even looked smoother and not just some clobbered messy blocks of parts you cant make out

 

the villain is someone megatron/galvatron WISHES he was. threatening, badass. had a longer lasting appearance unlike megatron who appeared in the 3rd act of the first movie, he wasn't someones lacky where he bowed (revenge of the fallen) or was someones b*** (dark of the moon). he's a bounty hunter who gets paid for killing.

 

and last but not least, the father and optimus's stories were the same. both tried the best they could for what they cared about (cade for his daughter, optimus for the earth) and they didn't get that much in return. cade and optimus could relate to eachother. their moment together though super short, was touching.

 

oh and the dinobots were every inner 12 year old boys wet dream you couldn't help but tear up. it was beautiful and worth it despite being short XD

 

You bring up a great point when it comes to Optimus and I've really liked that aspect; although you can say that Optimus Prime kinda had an arc in Dark of The Moon with Sentinel Prime (his master) about making the tough decisions and you can see him struggling with that when it came to the progression of Dark of The Moon. 

 

I can understand the criticism  of Sia Labouff's character, but again like Optimus Prime in Dark of the Moon, I do like where his character went in that movie and seeing how the first two movies brought him to a point where he said "I just want to matter" and that's something I think alot of people can relate to. Plus for Sam you kinda see this progression where he was in the first film as a high school kid to the adult he's become in the third film (though you could argue there wasn't much of a progression with his character in two but that's a different story).

 

As far as the daughter and the boyfriend I could honestly care less about what happens to them! It would've been cool to see their characters fleshed out, but they really came off as a bland and pretty dull. Like you said of the humans Cade is the one who's gone through a lot of development within the story.  

 

Here is the thing when it comes to Megatron/Galvatron when it comes to the movies and it's something I've come to accept. The movie version of Megatron has vast differences from his other counterparts from the cartoons atleast with the sequels. I can give Megatron a pass when it came to the original film because you saw little glimpses and refferences to his character and it was a gradual buildup so it really paid off. Now did I like the fact that he got killed off at the end of the original movie no not really, but I had a feeling he would return with the remnants of the allspark at the end. Sure enough he showed again in Revenge of The Fallen and that was one of my favorite scenes where he gets back to Cybertron and has a total fit with Starscream. The moment where you find out he had a master did make me go like "Um no that's not Megatron", but then I was like since this a different take on the character lets see where it goes. My girlfriend told it that it kinda reminded her of how Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine are from Star Wars, and kinda taking a concept with Galvatron serving Unicorn.  I could see her point on that with the concepts, but the execution I feel with Megatron in Revenge of the Fallen could've been handled better. Now Megatron in Dark of The Moon is one I actually really appreciated compared to Revenge of The Fallen.  You can tell that he was in control of the situation until Sentinel Prime shows up, but to him he was more like partners with Sentinel Prime rather than his apprentice like the fallen. However as a viewer I was like he doesn't realize he's being used, and when Carly brings up that fact of how he won't be control and instead be at the mercy of Sentinel Prime is where he finally realized what to do. Granted it took a while, but I appreciated the fact that He took matters into his own hands to be the character he set out to be before getting killed by Optimus Prime. Now when it comes to Megatron being ressurected as Galvatron I actually really didn't care all that much. Don't get me wrong it's cool to see Galvatron finally, but it's the fact that Megatron had already come back to life once before in Revenge of The Fallen and that scene is something I still remember to this day. Now this might sound weird when I say this while I didn't really care about Galvatron all that much I did and what he did, I really did love the fight between him  and Optimus Prime.    

 

 

Agreed on the story between Optimus Prime and Cade, but this might be a weird way to put it  there some similar concepts to the first one where Sam gets a rusty car turns out to be bumblebee and you kinda see this connection in the first movie and that's something you can connect with in Age of Extinction with Optimus being in a similar position but also a different one as where Bumblebee was Sam's Protector and Optimus was really skeptical about the humans after what went down.  


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Posted 13 January 2016 - 05:55 PM

i found revenge of the fallen so stupid and offensively bad it physically hurt me. overstatement? kind of but i just cant put into words how much of an embarrassment i put me and my dad through when we watched that movie in theater. i actually apologized to him for the idea and planned on paying him back for crying out loud! only things i did like were sideswipe, the fight in the forest, and jet optimus which reminded me of transformers armada. does that save the movie? heck no.

 

though you did bring up a good point about unicron/fallen.

 

sams character wasn't too bad in the first movie. i could see little snippets and sprinkles of the Spielberg touch in that movie. it all came down to a boy and his bot.

 

but again, i didn't like fallen at all to the point i didn't even want to see dark of the moon despite mr spock coming back to voice a transformer who's a firetruck, my favorite thing when i was little (i loved firefighters. they were my real heroes next to supes/bats and power rangers) from the clips i saw of scenes that mattered, optimus turned pretty darn dark. I wonder how people thought thinking they'll NEVER get a follow up to this new optimus who's pretty much cold? now that we were given a fourth one it all makes sense kind of. sort of.



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Posted 13 January 2016 - 11:26 PM

 

I agree with you one hundred percent on that for Transformers since the movies aren't the only source of their existence given the tv shows and video games that come out. Which helps people choose their preferred version of Transformers where as with Naruto there's only the manga and anime which are kinda just adaptations.  

 

Plus I don't actually hate the Transformer movies  in fact I adore the first Michael Bay Transformers movie,  Revenge of the Fallen while I understand people hated it to me it was rather entertaining and kinda of a guilty pleasure of mine.  Finally we have Dark of the Moon and that is actually my second favorite film in the series.  As far Age of Extinctions go there were some neat ideas like seeing a darker side to Optimus Prime, how the dinosaurs were extinct, and seeing Mark Walberg playing the role of a father, but I don't think that's enough to save the movie.  

 

 

 

I've really enjoyed that too when it comes to Age of Extinction, things like that in the story really got my attention and kept me interested, but I  think my distaste for the film might be the amount of action that was thrown into the movie I kinda feel like it was a bit overkill.  

 

 

Hmm that's a really good point even though it's kinda obvious when comparing to the last, and Optimus and Cade were the interesting things in Age of Extinction.  

 

 

You bring up a great point when it comes to Optimus and I've really liked that aspect; although you can say that Optimus Prime kinda had an arc in Dark of The Moon with Sentinel Prime (his master) about making the tough decisions and you can see him struggling with that when it came to the progression of Dark of The Moon. 

 

I can understand the criticism  of Sia Labouff's character, but again like Optimus Prime in Dark of the Moon, I do like where his character went in that movie and seeing how the first two movies brought him to a point where he said "I just want to matter" and that's something I think alot of people can relate to. Plus for Sam you kinda see this progression where he was in the first film as a high school kid to the adult he's become in the third film (though you could argue there wasn't much of a progression with his character in two but that's a different story).

 

As far as the daughter and the boyfriend I could honestly care less about what happens to them! It would've been cool to see their characters fleshed out, but they really came off as a bland and pretty dull. Like you said of the humans Cade is the one who's gone through a lot of development within the story.  

 

Here is the thing when it comes to Megatron/Galvatron when it comes to the movies and it's something I've come to accept. The movie version of Megatron has vast differences from his other counterparts from the cartoons atleast with the sequels. I can give Megatron a pass when it came to the original film because you saw little glimpses and refferences to his character and it was a gradual buildup so it really paid off. Now did I like the fact that he got killed off at the end of the original movie no not really, but I had a feeling he would return with the remnants of the allspark at the end. Sure enough he showed again in Revenge of The Fallen and that was one of my favorite scenes where he gets back to Cybertron and has a total fit with Starscream. The moment where you find out he had a master did make me go like "Um no that's not Megatron", but then I was like since this a different take on the character lets see where it goes. My girlfriend told it that it kinda reminded her of how Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine are from Star Wars, and kinda taking a concept with Galvatron serving Unicorn.  I could see her point on that with the concepts, but the execution I feel with Megatron in Revenge of the Fallen could've been handled better. Now Megatron in Dark of The Moon is one I actually really appreciated compared to Revenge of The Fallen.  You can tell that he was in control of the situation until Sentinel Prime shows up, but to him he was more like partners with Sentinel Prime rather than his apprentice like the fallen. However as a viewer I was like he doesn't realize he's being used, and when Carly brings up that fact of how he won't be control and instead be at the mercy of Sentinel Prime is where he finally realized what to do. Granted it took a while, but I appreciated the fact that He took matters into his own hands to be the character he set out to be before getting killed by Optimus Prime. Now when it comes to Megatron being ressurected as Galvatron I actually really didn't care all that much. Don't get me wrong it's cool to see Galvatron finally, but it's the fact that Megatron had already come back to life once before in Revenge of The Fallen and that scene is something I still remember to this day. Now this might sound weird when I say this while I didn't really care about Galvatron all that much I did and what he did, I really did love the fight between him  and Optimus Prime.    

 

 

Agreed on the story between Optimus Prime and Cade, but this might be a weird way to put it  there some similar concepts to the first one where Sam gets a rusty car turns out to be bumblebee and you kinda see this connection in the first movie and that's something you can connect with in Age of Extinction with Optimus being in a similar position but also a different one as where Bumblebee was Sam's Protector and Optimus was really skeptical about the humans after what went down.  

 

I kind of think the Naruto and Sasuke should have been more like Optimus and Sentinel meaning once Sentinel betrayed Optimus is what I'm saying and the final fight with Sasuke should have been the fight with Sentinel would have been a lot better than what we got instead.

 

Plus Optimus is still a better leader than both Naruto and Kakashi were as Hokage and Kakashi leading Team 7. 
 



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Posted 13 January 2016 - 11:37 PM

ew

 

naruto: you didn't betray me, you betrayed yourself

 

sasuke: NO naruto!

 

*BANG!*

 

sasuke: ! *begs for mercy*

 

naruto: *BANG*

 

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 12:04 AM

In terms of Megatron and The Fallen, that would require a little knowledge of the Transformers lore. IIRC from talking with Bryon about it before, The Fallen's original name was Megatronus and the Transformer who would eventually become "Megatron" (originally took the "Megatronus" name himself in his start of the Decepticon revolution, which was actually more similar to the French Revolution in him initially trying to do away with the Cybertronian caste system, of which he was from a lower class) had seen a distorted vision of Megatronus' face and that inspired the symbol for the Decepticons.

Though, I do agree that Megatron being SO subservient to The Fallen was a bit much. Also, with Revenge of The Fallen, a couple of the other big problems was just how stupidly easy both Devastator and The Fallen himself were defeated; Devastator taken out by a single shot from a railgun and The Fallen just owned so easily by a revived Optimus with Jetfire's parts.


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Posted 14 January 2016 - 12:13 AM

Just to let you know:

New ending that supposedly feature a character. It's either Princess Queen of Queens Hinata-hime-sama, Sakura "I have more attention, so please like me already," Naruto/Sasuke "more yaoi fan service for ya, so please check out Boruto for much more," or other.

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 12:45 AM

In terms of Megatron and The Fallen, that would require a little knowledge of the Transformers lore. IIRC from talking with Bryon about it before, The Fallen's original name was Megatronus and the Transformer who would eventually become "Megatron" (originally took the "Megatronus" name himself in his start of the Decepticon revolution, which was actually more similar to the French Revolution in him initially trying to do away with the Cybertronian caste system, of which he was from a lower class) had seen a distorted vision of Megatronus' face and that inspired the symbol for the Decepticons.

Though, I do agree that Megatron being SO subservient to The Fallen was a bit much. Also, with Revenge of The Fallen, a couple of the other big problems was just how stupidly easy both Devastator and The Fallen himself were defeated; Devastator taken out by a single shot from a railgun and The Fallen just owned so easily by a revived Optimus with Jetfire's parts.

 

though I did like how Optimus took out the fallen and his line "I raise and you fall". In fact the finisher in those movies form two on were good like Sentinel and Lockdown's death were actually good. I kind wish Naruto did The fallen's death on Obito and Lockdown's on Madara and Sentinel's on Sasuke. 



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Posted 14 January 2016 - 12:47 AM

ew

 

naruto: you didn't betray me, you betrayed yourself

 

sasuke: NO naruto!

 

*BANG!*

 

sasuke: ! *begs for mercy*

 

naruto: *BANG*

 

.............

So is that you disagreeing with me on my quote about Naruto and Sasuke's "Final Fight" should have been like the Optimus and Sentinel fight? I only ask cause of the ew thing at the beginning for this. 



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Posted 14 January 2016 - 01:06 AM

I find it hilarious how easy it was against Megatron. Talk about a complete jobber.

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 02:23 AM

Here's a fun fact I discovered a few days ago while feeling bored for a few hours, and it has to do with the novelization of Revenge of the Fallen and Dark of the Moon, honestly I found these really interesting:

 

 

Revenge of The Fallen novel ending: At the pyramid, The Fallen, with Megatron, Starscream, and Devastator, inserts the Matrix into the harvester. As it powers up, Devastator sees Optimus and prepares to fire. Just then, Simmons relays coordinates the ship with the rail gun, which fires, killing Devastator. Unfortunately, the machine also activates, firing a beam which destroy the sun in eight minutes. Distracted by Devastator's death and the machine's activation, the Decepticons are unable to shoot down Optimus, who flies through the harvester and causes the beam to collapse, seriously wounding Megatron and Starscream. The Fallen is enraged, not just at the attack on the harvester, but at Optimus's presumption to challenge him, a Prime. Optimus declares that The Fallen abandoned that name when he slaughtered his brothers, and that as the last Prime, it is Optimus's destiny to avenge his lineage. As Optimus battles The Fallen, it quickly becomes apparent that Optimus is going to win. Incredulous and angry, Megatron reminds The Fallen of his promise to make Megatron a Prime. Optimus reveals that this is a lie, as Primes are born, not made. Panicking, The Fallen opens a space bridge and tries to flee, but Megatron and Starscream leave The Fallen to his fate. Optimus then rips off the top of the harvester and drives it through The Fallen's head, killing him. Optimus then recovers the Matrix and rejoins the others, who are also joined by Simmons, Leo, and the Twins.

Later, on the Roosevelt, Sam and Optimus watch the view, and Sam says that he can no longer see the symbols. Optimus explains that the knowledge of the AllSpark has been absorbed within the stuff of the Matrix, which is attached to his hip, and thanks Sam for preserving Cybertron's past and saving his life. Sam then asks what the future will hold, and Optimus Prime declares that it is a future Humanity and the Autobots will face together, as their ancestors did once before.

That future may be sooner than they think, for on the Nemesis, Megatron commands his Protoform army to "arise"...

 

 

difference from novel and film:  

  • The Fallen is revealed to have gained Megatron's allegiance by promising him the powers of a Prime, something Optimus reveals as a lie, which compels Megatron to leave The Fallen to his death, as opposed to being genuinely saddened by it.

 

 

 

link: http://tfwiki.net/wi..._with_the_movie

 

 

 

 

Dark of The Moon novel ending: Megatron is goaded by Carly into joining the fight to destroy Sentinel Prime and he and Optimus join forces to battle Sentinel. While Megatron distracts Sentinel, Optimus gets hold of Sentinel's acid rust cannon, and destroys Sentinel with his own weapon. Following the battle, Megatron and Optimus Prime make peace to end the war. Megatron and the remaining Decepticon forces return to Cybertron. Sam and Carly have rekindled their romance, and Bumblebee produces a gasket ring and forces Sam into unwittingly proposing as the two share a kiss.

Optimus Prime and the surviving Autobots remain on Earth; their new home.

 

difference between the novel and movie: 

  • Megatron isn't killed by Optimus Prime, or at all. Instead, his offer of a truce comes across as much more sincere; he kneels down and states that he is tired of fighting, that he will order all the Decepticons to stand down and that the war is over. Optimus is initially skeptical, but when Megatron offers to let Optimus kill him as an alternative, Optimus reluctantly accepts.

link: http://tfwiki.net/wi...ured_characters

 

 

 

 

 

You know seeing these differences from the film kinda does bring a small Naruto vibe on how things should've went down between Naruto and Sasuke. This would be a weird way to put it, but think Megatron in the Revenge of The Fallen Novel as Sasuke, The Fallen as... Maybe Tobi and Optimus as Naruto.  


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Posted 14 January 2016 - 12:08 PM

I never really liked the plot lines for the Michel bay movies after the third one, but that was because, I doubt the republicans or congress would be that stupid, and have them do the rocket back in to space as a deception tactic.

Because politically and realasticly, the Transformers would be their last chance to defeat Galvatron and Megatron. Even, if, Megatron being so submissive to him was a stretch with the way they portrayed him in the movies version.

I also would've preferred Sam being back in the fourth one and have him be disillusioned a bit with America politically. Wouldn't you become disillusioned with politics after they sent your friends back into space.

In my versions, of the film I would have Mikaela Banes goat Megatron in to helping the autobots destroy Galavtron and join with star scream into their ranks after finally realizing that he was an autobot all along and give apologies to his brother. Since I think that would have been a better outcome storywise. I also like the idea that Mikaela Banes should've reappeared in dark moon, since I didn't feel anything for this blond girl they replaced her with in dark moon.

Once Galvatron is revived again, in Dark moon, I think Megatron with the help of his brother shouldve defeat Galvatron and Sentinel. Although, in the fourth one Megatron and star scream should have to work their ass off to gain the trust of the other autobots and the army that works with them to help protect Earth from the Fallen that are left on earth and a even bigger threat looms over the horizon. A new enemy arrives on scene that leads the fallen from the second film to destroy the autobots once and for all. He's kept in the shadows until the big reveal half way into the movie in my rewriting and only mentioned about by other fallen in battle.

Edited by Ryriena, 14 January 2016 - 12:42 PM.

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 02:15 PM

Michael bay is the greatest director of explosion ever.

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 02:19 PM

The Great Michael Bay Discussion Thread

Maybe we should go back to Naruto for its new ending and changed opening ending with Sakura holding the orb or something, wishing to get cast in a completely different series.

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 02:34 PM

Michael bay is the greatest director of explosion ever.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Don't forget hot chicks and projectiles missing their target.


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Posted 14 January 2016 - 02:58 PM

Is that not the truth, I man seriously that man must have hot chicks and big explosions in every one of his movies lmao
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Posted 14 January 2016 - 03:13 PM

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I have not been active here in a long time but the timing was too irrisistable not to do this lol

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Posted 14 January 2016 - 04:19 PM

Maybe we should go back to Naruto for its new ending and changed opening ending with Sakura holding the orb or something, wishing to get cast in a completely different series.

Naruto

Sasuke

Sakura


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Posted 14 January 2016 - 06:25 PM

i just don't like the idea of naruto killing sasuke mercilessly while sasuke BEGS, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth for a hero to do that. at least in man of steel superman had no choice and admittedly regretted his decision seconds afterward.



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Posted 14 January 2016 - 08:03 PM

Song's nice. Visuals are actually pretty good, too.


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Posted 14 January 2016 - 08:12 PM

Better than the last one. Feels late with what it is shown, but whatever. Don't worry, we still have more fillers down the road, so cheer up! It's not the last one!!!!




This year must be my year since it's making Naruto look kitten(ter), so dream is real!

Ho ho! I'm a deuce!

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