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Posted 22 February 2011 - 08:01 PM

you were rolling right up till this part

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For her confession, it was really fake, the blushing part and the hug, all was played by Sakura


You brought up the Blush-No-Jutsu again and that is clearly inncorrect.

Sakura is not some machine that can flip a switch and bring blood rushing to her face so she can fake embarrasment at will.

She is a human being with feelings and emotions and those feelings were clearly put on display during the confession.

She may have had additonal ulterior motives in keeping Naruto safe from Sasuke and the decision to kill him, and those did bite her in the butt, but she was clearly not lieing.

Her confessionw as quite real and quite genuine, save that she did not tell naruto about the rookies decision to kill Sasuke.

Sakura mya not understand her feelings for Naruto, but thats not to say she cant feel them and act on them like she did.

Also Skaura being a heroine will not hinge on her feelings for Naruto ro Sasuke they will hinge on her being able to act at the right moment in the right way. Her feelings are a separate issue.

In conclusion her confession was quite real as Ive stated elsewhere for many reasons. the only part that was held bakc was the rookies decision to kill Sasuke which was why Sai said her original purpose was not to confess to him. Because she had told them that she would tell naruto about that decision.
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Posted 22 February 2011 - 08:12 PM

QUOTE (TheOmegaMan @ Feb 22 2011, 07:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I look at it this way.

If she pulled the confession randomly out of thin air, then it's genuine because she would be going off on emotions which in my opinion much better at saying the truth than logic will ever do.

If she planned it (which Sai said she didn't) then it's genuine because she cares enough that she was willing to commit right then and there. I mean if she had planned it, and Naruto for some reason believed her, she would have lived those consequences whatever they may be.

She did it to protect him. She wanted to ask for his forgiveness from the burden of the POAL, and instead got her own feelings jumbled and said what came to her mind. I actually think that it was a spur of the moment thing, hints the blush in 469


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Posted 22 February 2011 - 08:31 PM

QUOTE (Sojobo @ Feb 22 2011, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For her confession, it was really fake, the blushing part and the hug, all was played by Sakura.


Really? I'm a natural born manipulator and I have yet to figure out how to make my cheeks turn red on cue. If there's a secret please let me know because I would love to have that ability in my arsenal. It would be the clincher in every argument I ever make with someone who has feelings for me.

(note heavy sarcasm)

I mean I'm not trying to be rude, but Sakura is not like that. She's not some cold, calculating individual. If she was I would have not joined this website and I would have resented this pairing.
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Posted 22 February 2011 - 09:25 PM

llls xD its like she has a button to turn her cheeks red tongue.gif lol

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 07:42 AM

Actually not concerning this conversation, because I already stopped arguing about if this confession is genuine or not.
but there is a way to make your cheeks glow just think about the most embarrising situation you've ever had and imagine it took place in a very busy square full of people you know. Works for me even if it just smthng I think about randomly.

And once again they trick me in giving this argument:

If you think that Sakura would never want to hurt Naruto anymore you know that Sakura's confession was true, the lad has done way to many for her for Sakura to just play with his feelings.

But about the heroine part,

- true she could use some more battles but what do you want that she becomes about as powerfull than Naruto and kill edo tensei Nagato blindfolded?

- and perhaps some more screentime

but for me she is the female lead, I mean she's the closest to Naruto and the second best medic-nin in the village (I think she long since past Shizune tbh)

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 10:41 AM

QUOTE (Torxe @ Feb 23 2011, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually not concerning this conversation, because I already stopped arguing about if this confession is genuine or not.
but there is a way to make your cheeks glow just think about the most embarrising situation you've ever had and imagine it took place in a very busy square full of people you know. Works for me even if it just smthng I think about randomly.



Off topic - Eh. I can't replay emotions like that in my head. My emotions are on the spot. I can't act sad, or embarrassed on cue, my emotions are on the spot.

But I do wish Sakura was more active right now. Even a couple of panels would be nice.
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 10:58 AM

You don't just replay them or act that way you just recall the emotion and actually feel the way that you would feel if it actually happened.
Think I have just a strong imagination... tongue.gif

About paneltime how about the main main character Naruto how long has it been that we saw him 4-5 chapters if not more. The next chapter that hosts both Naruto and Sakura is my new temporary favourite tongue.gif

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 11:01 AM

QUOTE (Torxe @ Feb 23 2011, 04:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
About paneltime how about the main main character Naruto how long has it been that we saw him 4-5 chapters if not more. The next chapter that hosts both Naruto and Sakura is my new temporary favourite tongue.gif


Agreed. Though I wouldn't mind getting another shot of Kakashi holding Zabuza's sword like the BA he is.
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Posted 23 February 2011 - 11:03 AM

Think that would be in the same context as seeing Sakura, since Sakura and Kakashi are in the same division

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:38 AM

QUOTE (Madz @ Feb 22 2011, 10:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Personally, I look at it from both angles.
If she really means it, if her confession is genuine- then cheers for Narusaku.
If she didn't mean it and was doing it to 'save' Naruto, then it's an even more amazing bond, because she is willing to sacrifice her 'love' of Sasuke for Naruto...This, in my opinion, is an amazing sacrifice.
I will be satisfied with such a tight bond between the two, and even if in this case Naruhina does happen, the bonds that Naruto and Sakura will always share will transcends everything, even whatever relationship that an eventual Naruhina would have.
I don't know if anybody ever heard of the Hindu story of Radha and Krishna...Radha and Krishna were friends since childhood and loved each other - Radha reminds me much of Sakura, always very 'bossy' over Krishna and Krishna is very similar to Naruto - always playing pranks and harrassing her.
Krishna got married to someone else and Radha to someone else, but their love and bond transcends time. Their names are always linked together - RadhaKrishna, and they are known as the ultimate love, the mythical lovers.


I agree with you.
For me, it means she actually loves him so much that she could die for him.
She doesn't realize it yet, but, if THIS isn't true pure love, what is it ?


QUOTE (Meek @ Feb 22 2011, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry... I didn't mean to offend Hinata in the first place, even though I hate her, sorry. That's just how I feel. confused.gif
I'm a bad person, I know... shamefulcry0js.gif


no prob ^^ you have the right to not like a character ^^
Demo i don't really understand why ? Because Hinata is so sweet, she wouldn't hurt a bug.


QUOTE (Sojobo @ Feb 22 2011, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guys, just read the Databook and you'll know that Sakura will end with Naruto.

Databook 3:

From Sakura's chara page, "Naruto" section:
"Since when she was a child Sakura had always felt admiration and a feeling similar to love for Sasuke. Naruto was just an "annoying" boy who stood in the middle between Sakura and Sasuke and disturbed their relationship. But after completing many missions together with him, she looked back at the past and finally realized: when she was in trouble, when she was ready to give up on her life, the one who was always there, protecting her and encouraging her, was in fact that "annoying" boy, Naruto. What are her current feelings for Naruto...? Sakura still hasn't found an answer."



It's obvious, so she can show more love towards Sasuke, confirm as many times her feelings for him, this information (with Yamato's speech) just make it obvious.
Just link it with the two last interviews.

Interview 2010:

Sakura's acting a little haughty towards Naruto
She'll be more heroine-like from now on

"As for Sakura... Sasuke... what about Sasuke? Naruto is close and she worries about Naruto as well, but as expected, she [loves] Sasuke.
Because of this, she acted quite haughty towards that guy.
She used Naruto's love for her and told him she loved him.
On the contrary.... I felt like depicting an honest girl, with a surprisingly stubborn impression.
So... she became such a character, but... well... from here on, maybe I should draw her showing a bit more spirit.
I figured I had placed her in a heroin-like situation
But from the readers I was told harshly that she wasn't heroin-ish at all
Perhaps I should show depict her a bit more like a heroin
Because you say 'Hinata Hinata,' I say 'She's not Hinata' "
The basic premise is: Sakura loves Sasuke more than Naruto. She hasn't been that heroin-ish, but Kishimoto-sensei will try to change that.

Interview 2011:

We will get more info on Naruto, Sakura and Kakashi

It's so obvious that she will realize her love for him any time soon.




For her confession, it was really fake, the blushing part and the hug, all was played by Sakura.
Kishimoto said in his interview that this was her intention, to play with Naruto's feelings.
That's why he said that she was haughty towards him. You have to know that Sakura doesn't understand her feelings for him, she didn't understand Yamato's speech, so she didn't realize her feelings yet for Naruto. So it's pretty impossible that her confession was true.

I think that Sakura sees Naruto as a friend, but doesn't know that it's more than that, that when he's in danger or when he's hurt she shows her real feelings for him. (feelings that she can't understand right now)

And it's pretty obvious that she still doesn't know her feelings for Naruto, I don't remember a scene where she's thinking about her feelings for Naruto.
So I think that Kishimoto is planning to make Sakura in love with Naruto. That will make her an heroine-like if you refere to Yamato's speech.

Yamato: It's not what you do for Nauto that's important, it's how stroungly you feel about him that counts.
I can tell just by looking at you, the truth is you...(love him)


This is the key for Sakura's grown up. If she understand Yamato's lesson, than she will be without no doubt an heroine-like towards Naruto.
That is what Kishimoto wants.


I didn't understand everything that was said about this post.
Can someone aware of the truth clarifly it for me please ?
What part of this post is true, and wath part is wrong ?
Is the part about the databook right ?

thank you

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 01:50 AM

QUOTE (Otaru @ Feb 24 2011, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I didn't understand everything that was said about this post.
Can someone aware of the truth clarifly it for me please ?
What part of this post is true, and wath part is wrong ?
Is the part about the databook right ?

thank you

The 3rd databook and 2010 interview are both correct..though technically I believe it should be labeled as the 2009 interview and the most recent being the 2010 interview. The interview listed as 2011 interview part about Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi getting more info is false.

The databooks have pretty much hinted at increasing feelings from Sakura to Naruto.

Databook 1
Sakura herself doesn't really know how she feels about Naruto. Her great love is Sasuke, but it should be noticed she also looks Naruto's way... We can't talk about love for the moment, but who knows?! It might happen.

-She feels a spontaneous admiration for Naruto. And for some reason, she's blushing...

Databook 2
Hope

Totally unreliable and full of baseless confidence is Naruto. But this Naruto becomes to Sakura someone she can rely on the most. The moment she acknowledges this, one can say her true development began.

A companion is always by your side. It is because she knows this that she can get up again from swamps of despair.

Databook 3
[A Woman's Heart and a Short Temper]
"A woman's heart is a complicated thing". A saying that many people who've been in contact with Sakura must know by heart. Delicacy and boldness, shyness and anger, kindness and aggression. Predicting what her ever-changing state of mind will jump to next is distressingly difficult. "Gotta stop fooling around in front of Sakura-chan", swears Naruto. "Dang it, she's grown into a fairly good second coming of Tsunade...", sighs Jiraiya.

[Naruto]
In her childhood, Sasuke was the object of her yearning, then loving feelings. Naruto was just the nuisance that would force itself between Sasuke and her, and ruin the day in some fashion. But looking back on the past after a few missions handled together, Sakura suddenly realized. In her painful moments, when she'd abandoned even the will to live, the one who'd protect her and encourage her was Naruto, the supposedly annoying one... What feelings does she harbor towards Naruto?... As of now, Sakura hasn't found the answer.

-Just how many faces does a woman have?! They're just as multiple as the emotional facets she hides under her chest.

-New allies, a new master. And budding new feelings...?!

-Does her heart beat unexpectedly fast before the unforeseen, rapid growth of her childhood friend...?

-Her various memories with Naruto float like a night fog across her mind...

-Moved as she is by Naruto's devotion, tears are flowing down her cheeks.

-She couldn't stop Sasuke and Naruto was harmed as a result, a past that now shapes her present.

-The Sakura who was constantly encouraged by Naruto is now the one who gives him strength. Her mental growth is apparent.

Though it is unknown if Kishimoto has his hand in making the databooks, so generally it they shouldn't be used for debate. I just find it interesting that this idea of Sakura and 'the womans heart being complicated' appeared way before the confession even took place. Seems like Sakura is meant to have a complicated love life XD

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 02:18 AM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Feb 25 2011, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The 3rd databook and 2010 interview are both correct..though technically I believe it should be labeled as the 2009 interview and the most recent being the 2010 interview. The interview listed as 2011 interview part about Naruto, Sakura, and Kakashi getting more info is false.

The databooks have pretty much hinted at increasing feelings from Sakura to Naruto.

Databook 1
Sakura herself doesn't really know how she feels about Naruto. Her great love is Sasuke, but it should be noticed she also looks Naruto's way... We can't talk about love for the moment, but who knows?! It might happen.

-She feels a spontaneous admiration for Naruto. And for some reason, she's blushing...

Databook 2
Hope

Totally unreliable and full of baseless confidence is Naruto. But this Naruto becomes to Sakura someone she can rely on the most. The moment she acknowledges this, one can say her true development began.

A companion is always by your side. It is because she knows this that she can get up again from swamps of despair.

Databook 3
[A Woman's Heart and a Short Temper]
"A woman's heart is a complicated thing". A saying that many people who've been in contact with Sakura must know by heart. Delicacy and boldness, shyness and anger, kindness and aggression. Predicting what her ever-changing state of mind will jump to next is distressingly difficult. "Gotta stop fooling around in front of Sakura-chan", swears Naruto. "Dang it, she's grown into a fairly good second coming of Tsunade...", sighs Jiraiya.

[Naruto]
In her childhood, Sasuke was the object of her yearning, then loving feelings. Naruto was just the nuisance that would force itself between Sasuke and her, and ruin the day in some fashion. But looking back on the past after a few missions handled together, Sakura suddenly realized. In her painful moments, when she'd abandoned even the will to live, the one who'd protect her and encourage her was Naruto, the supposedly annoying one... What feelings does she harbor towards Naruto?... As of now, Sakura hasn't found the answer.

-Just how many faces does a woman have?! They're just as multiple as the emotional facets she hides under her chest.

-New allies, a new master. And budding new feelings...?!

-Does her heart beat unexpectedly fast before the unforeseen, rapid growth of her childhood friend...?

-Her various memories with Naruto float like a night fog across her mind...

-Moved as she is by Naruto's devotion, tears are flowing down her cheeks.

-She couldn't stop Sasuke and Naruto was harmed as a result, a past that now shapes her present.

-The Sakura who was constantly encouraged by Naruto is now the one who gives him strength. Her mental growth is apparent.

Though it is unknown if Kishimoto has his hand in making the databooks, so generally it they shouldn't be used for debate. I just find it interesting that this idea of Sakura and 'the womans heart being complicated' appeared way before the confession even took place. Seems like Sakura is meant to have a complicated love life XD


some parts of the interview of 2009 is incorrect because some crazy fans have interfered with it. yes the databooks can be used for debate LOL. its part of the manga and that shows extra information about characters and stats and other things thats in the series.

Edited by Living Lavish, 25 February 2011 - 02:38 AM.


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Posted 25 February 2011 - 02:44 AM

QUOTE (Living Lavish @ Feb 24 2011, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
some parts of the interview of 2009 is incorrect because some crazy fans have interfered with it. yes the databooks can be used for debate LOL. its part of the manga and that shows extra information about characters and stats and other things thats in the series.

Hm yeah, after looking back I think this part was said by one of the seiyuus: Because of this, she acted quite haughty towards that guy.
She used Naruto's love for her and told him she loved him.

So that part isn't stated by Kishi. (The seiyuus of the anime were talking to Kishi in this interview)

However, no, if the databook is not written by Kishi, it shouldn't be used in debate. Since no one can seem to prove one way or another if Kishi was involved in writing them, they aren't used as proof usually.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 02:59 AM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Feb 25 2011, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hm yeah, after looking back I think this part was said by one of the seiyuus: Because of this, she acted quite haughty towards that guy.
She used Naruto's love for her and told him she loved him.

So that part isn't stated by Kishi. (The seiyuus of the anime were talking to Kishi in this interview)

However, no, if the databook is not written by Kishi, it shouldn't be used in debate. Since no one can seem to prove one way or another if Kishi was involved in writing them, they aren't used as proof usually.


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yeah then kishi said ''on the contrary i wrote a honest and suprisingly determined girl''

the databook is for the fans of the series to give a better understanding of the characters thats what it is was made for. theres been 3 already. every fan should use the databook or else theres no point in releasing it. fans ive seen use it, thats why its a big thing to translate its valueble and follows the canon manga. you think kishi would just let something like that go out of public without his involvement? Naruto is hes creation. theres a interview with Kishi in the book. theres even even sketches from Kishi and him explaining this and that about his characters. he was difinitely involved.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 03:09 AM

^ He certainly isn't involved in everything the anime does, even though Naruto is his creation....

The databooks are for the fans, yes, but that doesn't mean he writes them. For the most part they don't add anything we didn't know, just retell the story in a different format. They are something like Naruto sparknotes. You wouldn't use sparknotes as proof of something.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 03:23 AM

QUOTE (Miss Soupy @ Feb 25 2011, 03:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ He certainly isn't involved in everything the anime does, even though Naruto is his creation....

The databooks are for the fans, yes, but that doesn't mean he writes them. For the most part they don't add anything we didn't know, just retell the story in a different format. They are something like Naruto sparknotes. You wouldn't use sparknotes as proof of something.


Thats just the anime. Kishi sold the series to the anime company so they can animate it. but mostly they make up fillers but continue on with canon. Kishi concentrates on his work in the manga and the databook indepth book follows it.
its obvious he hands out notes and info about his characters and have it written out. theres tons of stuff we didn't know thats in the databook like backgrounds and what power does what etc. theres a short comedy with Naruto he even wrote in the 3rd one. everybody uses it as proof to look back on that kishi was not able to add in the manga. thats the point of it. this is common knowledge your the first person i seen argue this lol bottom line its more information of Naruto series and its useful.

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english is not my first language lol.

Edited by Living Lavish, 25 February 2011 - 06:35 AM.


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Posted 25 February 2011 - 04:57 AM

i dont see why people even fight the databook?? it has some cool info, it couldnt have been made by some random person right?, so of course kishi was involved. (anime is one thing a book is another)

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 08:01 PM

I to seriously doubt that they would allow to publish anything that Kishi doesn't approve about his characters. That is unless he somehow signed off his rights to the characters of Naruto which I hope he did not, otherwise the anime team could do whatever they want with all those precious NaruSaku moments that are about to happen.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 08:24 PM

QUOTE (Torxe @ Feb 25 2011, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I to seriously doubt that they would allow to publish anything that Kishi doesn't approve about his characters. That is unless he somehow signed off his rights to the characters of Naruto which I hope he did not, otherwise the anime team could do whatever they want with all those precious NaruSaku moments that are about to happen.


signing off his characters? hell no. then he wouldn't be able to continue his manga anymore would he. dosn't make sense my man. lol
i think your just paranoid. laugh.gif

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 08:27 PM

I think so to tongue.gif

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