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[TouKen4Life3g]

Resurection and modification most likely.

Like he couldn't bring back actual brother but made it based on his brother in terms of designs. That and managed to make him potential candidate to kill him.

[rocci]

Like he couldn't bring back actual brother but made it based on his brother in terms of designs. That and managed to make him potential candidate to kill him.

I think he used his brother body.

[AHK]

Ok let me get this right:
Natsu is made but using Zeref's late brother body or what? Just trying to be solid.

No. Natsu is Zeref's brother. He wasn't created by using Zeref's brother, Natsu was brought back to life by zeref.

[Phantom_999]

OMG................ wow that last chapter was something, like it's nothing Original but still a pretty huge impact on the story. I really enjoyed that.   Plus I don't know about anyone else But I prefer it to be out of the way so when the reveal is given to the characters we won't be wasting time seeing flashbacks. I think I've had enough of that for a lifetime don't you?

Edited by Phantom_999, 18 May 2015 - 04:00 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, people seems to be confused on that revelation.

Ok, so Natsu is the name of Zeref's brother. So he died. He gets a new body, one that is a demon (and powerful) which he is now brought back to life. It's like reincarnation without interfering another soul.

Is that right?

[AHK]

Well, people seems to be confused on that revelation.
Ok, so Natsu is the name of Zeref's brother. So he died. He gets a new body, one that is a demon (and powerful) which he is now brought back to life. It's like reincarnation without interfering another soul.
Is that right?

No. Zeref kept Natsu's body even after Natsu died. He didn't get a new body. Zeref used black magic to bring his dead brother back to life.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No. Zeref kept Natsu's body even after Natsu died. He didn't get a new body. Zeref used black magic to bring his dead brother back to life.

So because of black magic, Natsu obtains the demon power? It almost seems like a new soul within Natsu's body, alas a zombie. I keep seeing people different view, so I really got lost myself.

[AHK]

So because of black magic, Natsu obtains the demon power? It almost seems like a new soul within Natsu's body, alas a zombie. I keep seeing people different view, so I really got lost myself.

Yes, he used black magic that turned Natsu into a demon but helped him return to life. It isn't a new soul or a zombie though, he just resurrected his brother.

Zeref is definitely one of my favorite characters now though.

Edited by AHK, 18 May 2015 - 04:25 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yes, he used black magic that turned Natsu into a demon but helped him return to life. It isn't a new soul or a zombie though, he just resurrected his brother.

Zeref is definitely one of my favorite characters now though.

Got it. So the book of END and Natsu is definitely connected thanks to Zeref. Man, that's a revelation.

But wait, what about the whole "You had a body" line? That's where I got confused.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 18 May 2015 - 04:29 PM.

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@ns4life
Zeref resurrect his dead brother and modified it demon so natsu could kill Zeref.

Either ignel found him or Zeref give natsu to ignel to raise as dragon slayer.
If ignel found him, than mean natsu never mean to be a dragon slayer.
And when natsu fight zeref, he will confront with the truth and choose to fight as a "demon" or a dragon. Or both or not both.

[Codus N]

No. Natsu is Zeref's brother. He wasn't created by using Zeref's brother, Natsu was brought back to life by zeref.

A more accurate statement would be that Natsu is closer to being a clone of Zeref's dead brother. What Zeref did is something similar to Edo Tensei. He kept Natsu's "essence" much like how ET needs the DNA of the dead, Zeref needed Natsu's DNA to resurrect him. But it's not a straight up resurrection like ET. Unlike ET, Zeref's method simply gives birth to a new soul in a pre-existing body, from what I can gather. If the resurrection results show that while indeed he did bring his brother's body back to life, but Natsu has no recollections whatsoever, then that means Zeref simply created a new life in the body of his little brother.

[AHK]

A more accurate statement would be that Natsu is closer to being a clone of Zeref's dead brother. What Zeref did is something similar to Edo Tensei. He kept Natsu's "essence" much like how ET needs the DNA of the dead, Zeref needed Natsu's DNA to resurrect him. But it's not a straight up resurrection like ET. Unlike ET, Zeref's method simply gives birth to a new soul in a pre-existing body, from what I can gather. If the resurrection results show that while indeed he did bring his brother's body back to life, but Natsu has no recollections whatsoever, then that means Zeref simply created a new life in the body of his little brother.

Just reread the chapter, since you're using Naruto as an example, I'll do so. He literally used the ET on Natsu. He didn't create new life, he used magic, etherios, to bring Natsu back. Regarding your "recollections" statement, he might kit have had much memories anyway, because Natsu died really young. Not only that, but we don't know anything after he was resurrected, so you can't say that he had no memories. Using Natsu's naïveté now doesn't fly because something may have happened that cause Natsu to lose his memories later on. There's nothing to suggest that Zeref created a new soul, he says he brought his dead brother back from the dead. That's it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Now I'm confused. I was thinking what Codus N said. Because he was talking to Book of END. He was saying that END once had a body but he just moved it or something to Natsu's body. So it's not like he created it because it already exist. Just placed it in Natsu.

I don't know. Lol.

[AHK]

Now I'm confused. I was thinking what Codus N said. Because he was talking to Book of END. He was saying that END once had a body but he just moved it or something to Natsu's body. So it's not like he created it because it already exist. Just placed it in Natsu.
I don't know. Lol.

No, he just used the essence of magic, the same magic that creates demons, and resurrected Natsu.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No, he just used the essence of magic, the same magic that creates demons, and resurrected Natsu.

Ok then. Just confused on the whole "you had a body" line.

[AHK]

Ok then. Just confused on the whole "you had a body" line.

Zeref just preserved the body after Natsu died.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Zeref just preserved the body after Natsu died.

Had is past tense and he was talking to the book.

[Codus N]

Just reread the chapter, since you're using Naruto as an example, I'll do so. He literally used the ET on Natsu. He didn't create new life, he used magic, etherios, to bring Natsu back. Regarding your "recollections" statement, he might kit have had much memories anyway, because Natsu died really young. Not only that, but we don't know anything after he was resurrected, so you can't say that he had no memories. Using Natsu's naïveté now doesn't fly because something may have happened that cause Natsu to lose his memories later on. There's nothing to suggest that Zeref created a new soul, he says he brought his dead brother back from the dead. That's it.

Yeah, that's what he thinks..... See, Zeref merely "said" that he brought Natsu back. But how do we know that it was the same Natsu he once knew? We don't know what happened after that scene. You do have a point about Natsu's recollections of Zeref being a moot point since he died so young, but I would think Natsu (at that time) would've at least recognized his brother.

I think the reason why Natsu doesn't remember Zeref now is because of his fight with Igneel. Somehow, Igneel managed to seal him into his book (with Zeref's help) but as a side effect, it wiped his memories clean up to that point.

[AHK]

Yeah, that's what he thinks..... See, Zeref merely "said" that he brought Natsu back. But how do we know that it was the same Natsu he once knew? We don't know what happened after that scene. You do have a point about Natsu's recollections of Zeref being a moot point since he died so young, but I would think Natsu (at that time) would've at least recognized his brother.
I think the reason why Natsu doesn't remember Zeref now is because of his fight with Igneel. Somehow, Igneel managed to seal him into his book (with Zeref's help) but as a side effect, it wiped his memories clean up to that point.

Honestly, what I think happened is that after Natsu was brought back, Zeref left him to his own devices because of his curse. It's possible that Natsu was ostracized by the populace or something, and was alone, but id guess that a girl resembling Lucy actually treated him like a human, and they fell in love. Something probably happened and she died tragically (wouldn't be surprised if Acnologia had something to do with it), and he probably flipped kitten because she saved him from being alone, and it took Zeref and Igneel to contain him. They probably split him in two, sealed the demon in the book, and Igneel raised the human. It caused him to lose his memories and turn chibi.

That's my head canon.

Edited by AHK, 19 May 2015 - 03:13 AM.

[Catwho]

What I'm finding funny is now this:

 

- Everyone in the manga who is a dark mage wants to bring Zeref back to life, but he never died.  He's immortal.  (Pretty much the last question left is why he was on Tenrou island asleep, but I suspect it's because he is the one who buried Mavis.)

 

- Every demon that Zeref created wants to summon END, but he's already been summoned somehow, and he's Natsu (or partially Natsu.)

 

We knew that Zeref knew Natsu from the S Rank exams arc, but we thought it was because of time travel that Zeref panicked and said. "no it's too soon, you can't kill me yet."  At some point, END was supposed to become strong enough to kill Zeref.

 

This ALSO explains why Natsu is over 80 years old and could get trapped by Fried's runes during the Laxus Insurrection arc.

 

I still have some questions that need to get answered for the rest of this to fall into place, but this was a huge chunk of it

- Why are there dragonslayers?  Why was Natsu entrusted to a ghost of a dragon, and by what magic?

- What is Lumen Histoire, and what is Zeref's connection to Fairy Tail aside being friends with the founders?

- Who summoned END originally - was it Mavis?

- Acknowlgia - how does he fit into all of this mess yet?