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[Shadow1275]

Except the entire point of Sakura's confession was to release Naruto of that promise because Sai said to Sakura it was a heavy burden on him. After all that was said and done, Kakashi said "It seems a great burden has been lifted from him." This is even FURTHER backed by the memory of Sai asking Naruto why doesn't he just tell Sakura how he felt? To which Naruto responds: "How can I when I can't even keep my promises?"

 

Yeah I hav to agree. That's clearly a writing mistake by Kishi. The LOI arc established that NAruto had been released from the promise. Heck in response to her bringing up the promise Naruto said that himself pursuing Sasuke wasn't about the promise twice. But 693 tosses all previous development to the side when he mentions the promise in passing to Kakashi. Sure Naruto mentioning the promise is good for NS but it's also damn confusing considering what Kishi established in the LOI arc. Maybe his point is that Kakashi is horrible at reading ppl?   

[Princess Iris]

I am still thinking about... Why did Kishimoto take out the promise of lifetime here? If from Sakura's POV, it was gone but the promise is confirmed to being still valid for Naruto (as we just thought). But why? Is he trying to make Sakura happy by bringing her back Sasuke? Or is he just doing it for other reasons? Perhaps for personal reasons due to the fact that he cannot confess to her if he can't be able to make her happy by not keeping a promise?

I don't know, it must have a purpose this whole thing...

First of all Sakura was unconscious


i dun think if she wasn't unconscious ...Then She might not have let Naruto do this



and this chapter basically proved
Sakura still loves Sasuke

& Naruto still loves Sakura

cuz as far i remember ....Naruto said once "He's not doin this just for promise"


but now he proved he didn't forget his promise as he said "He'll bring Sasuke back home"

and that he promised it...


so i think pairings aren't dead


In my view it is NS vs SS right now & not Naruto vs Sasuke lol

[FireFox]

Except the entire point of Sakura's confession was to release Naruto of that promise because Sai said to Sakura it was a heavy burden on him. After all that was said and done, Kakashi said "It seems a great burden has been lifted from him." This is even FURTHER backed by the memory of him asking Naruto why doesn't he just tell Sakura how he felt? To which he responds: "How can I when I can't even keep my promises?"

So what's your point why Naruto hasn't confessed yet ?  Besides nothing makes sense right now  it might as well be bc he never backs down its his nindo and even the burden of failing Sakura  has been lifted the promise might still stand  to tell the truth I have no clue anymore .  It was probably bc he finally had an answer of what must he do with Sasuke and that is why he's relieved . 

 

 

Or maybe Naruto has given up on Sakura and seen the true love of SS in this chapter by her confession and he will fix SS up when he brings him back .   

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 27 September 2014 - 10:23 AM.

[Shadow1275]

So what's your point why Naruto hasn't confessed yet ?  Besides nothing makes sense right now  it might as well be bc he never backs down its his nindo and even the burden of failing Sakura  has been lifted the promise might still stand  to tell the truth I have no clue anymore .  It was probably bc he finally had an answer of what must he do with Sasuke and that is why he's relieved . 

 

 

Or maybe Naruto has given up on Sakura and seen the true love of SS in this chapter by her confession and he will fix SS up when he brings him back .   

My guess is that Sakura and Naruto are completely unsure of the other's feelings. Naruto probs doesn't believe that Sakura is over Sasuke and that she may love him.

 

Sakura thanks to Naruto never addressing her confession and sending mixed signals is unsure of whether he actually likes her or not. Couple that with the fact that she's still struggling with lingering (12 year old Bull#$%#) feelings for Sasuke and you have a recipe for uncertainty.

[Hiraishin]

And Naruto did say it was no longer about the promise. Look
http://www.mangapand...hapter-470.html

I think there he was just saying that he's not just trying to save Sasuke because of the promise (which has always been true), because Sakura kept saying, "I don't care about Sasuke anymore, so forget about that promise." And, after all, he just learned the truth about the Itachi, so things changed.

Edited by Hiraishin, 27 September 2014 - 10:28 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

So what's your point why Naruto hasn't confessed yet ?  Besides nothing makes sense right now  it might as well be bc he never backs down its his nindo and even the burden of failing Sakura  has been lifted the promise might still stand  to tell the truth I have no clue anymore .  It was probably bc he finally had an answer of what must he do with Sasuke and that is why he's relieved . 

 

 

Or maybe Naruto has given up on Sakura and seen the true love of SS in this chapter by her confession and he will fix SS up when he brings him back .   

That's the whole reason why this chapter is so weird and why I am having a hard time with this.. It contradicts a lot of stuff and goes against a lot of things that Kishi had established were no longer valid that spans almost the entire manga.

Nothing is making sense and I want to know why? What is Kishi thinking? While the SS fans and NH fans are not giving a crap and are too busy celebrating, I am too busy question why did Kishi just practically reversed a lot of things that he established.

If it really was as simple  as "Sakura still loves Sasuke so SS is canon" then why am I so confused by a lot of things?
 

I think there he was just saying that he's not just trying to save Sasuke because of the promise (which has always been true), because Sakura kept saying, "I don't care about Sasuke anymore, so forget about that promise." And, after all, he just learned the truth about the Itachi, so things changed.

That's what you believe, but that's not what it is saying. You and NarutoFireFoxUzumaki both say that he meant that not it is no longer JUST about the promise anymore, but then again why didn't he just say that instead of "This isn't about that promise."

If we are going to throw the idea that "what was said" is not the same as "what they meant" then every piece of dialogue is under scrutiny and we really are lost in translation.

I could then say "Well, this confession isn't that she still loves Sasuke as a romance interest, but rather she meant that she loves him like a brother which would coincide why Sasuke thought of his family after that."

By the way, if the burden that was lifted wasn't the promise, then what was that burden? Because the only burden that was described was the hardship Naruto had to keeping that promise. If he no longer needs to keep that promise, then why bring it up at all? No matter how you look at it....it doesn't make sense.
 

Yeah I hav to agree. That's clearly a writing mistake by Kishi. The LOI arc established that NAruto had been released from the promise. Heck in response to her bringing up the promise Naruto said that himself pursuing Sasuke wasn't about the promise twice. But 693 tosses all previous development to the side when he mentions the promise in passing to Kakashi. Sure Naruto mentioning the promise is good for NS but it's also damn confusing considering what Kishi established in the LOI arc. Maybe his point is that Kakashi is horrible at reading ppl?   

I don't know, but maybe if we did know the answer to that question...we would probably know what the meaning of this chapter was in the first place....
 

This is either a writing genius or insanity.


 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 27 September 2014 - 10:46 AM.

[FireFox]

That's the whole reason why this chapter is so weird and why I am having a hard time with this.. It contradicts a lot of stuff and goes against a lot of things that Kishi had established were no longer valid that spans almost the entire manga.

Nothing is making sense and I want to know why? What is Kishi thinking? While the SS fans and NH fans are not giving a crap and are too busy celebrating, I am too busy question why did Kishi just practically reversed a lot of things that he established.

If it really was as simple  as "Sakura still loves Sasuke so SS is canon" then why am I so confused by a lot of things?
 

That's what you believe, but that's not what it is saying. You and NarutoFireFoxUzumaki both say that he meant that not it is no longer JUST about the promise anymore, but then again why didn't he just say that instead of "This isn't about that promise."

If we are going to throw the idea that "what was said" is not the same as "what they meant" then every piece of dialogue is under scrutiny and we really are lost in translation.

I could then say "Well, this confession isn't that she still loves Sasuke as a romance interest, but rather she meant that she loves him like a brother which would coincide why Sasuke thought of his family after that."

Trollmoto  wanted to make a parallel to the events of 181 183 and this why nothing makes sense  he blow his manga into pieces  and what he was writing just for the sake of a stupid parallel he's to obsessed and doesn't know any way to write sign.

 

As for why did he said that "This isn't about the promise anymore"  like I said  the promise was just for her to comfort her and reassure her it was only for her but the situation in LOI was solely for Sasuke and saving him from darkness  bc he find out the truth about Itachi  it wasn't just about bringing him back  which Sakura thought that he was only doing it for her and din't want him to go so far bc of that  which is why in the end he says that "This doesn't have anything with the promise I want to help Sasuke"  .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 27 September 2014 - 10:51 AM.

[六道仙人]

Naruto never said in the original "This isn't about the promise anymore...".

 

He Said "It isn't just a matter of promise...". Naruto was just implying that he wanted to save Sasuke on his own will, not just for the promise. The promise is something that ties with Sakura's relationship. It has nothing to do with Sasuke directly....That's why I'm pointing why Naruto has told again that he will keep his promise with sakura in this chapter....

[FireFox]

My guess is that Sakura and Naruto are completely unsure of the other's feelings. Naruto probs doesn't believe that Sakura is over Sasuke and that she may love him.

 

Sakura thanks to Naruto never addressing her confession and sending mixed signals is unsure of whether he actually likes her or not. Couple that with the fact that she's still struggling with lingering (12 year old Bull#$%#) feelings for Sasuke and you have a recipe for uncertainty.

Heh with this chapter with Sakura doing confession right in front of Naruto  its hard to believe that Naruto will ever believe her again he was already very unsure and had low self esteem about Sakura ever loving him  now him accepting it out of the blue would make him like the biggest idiot in the world and for a good reason .

 

Whether Naruto liked her didn't make any difference to Sakura in here she still went with it despite being aware of the dept of Naruto's love for her  which is what disgust me the most about this chapter  and makes no freaking sense  all the NS development was ruined especially with Kakashi over glorifying Sakura's true love for Sasuke for x 1000 times and visually it makes any love she had for Naruto shown means so little in comparison  for her love for Sasuke . The NS image was completely destroyed in here  that is what this idiot of an author did  all for the sake of creating a parallel to 181 183  its insane  .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 27 September 2014 - 11:05 AM.

[FireFox]

Naruto never said in the original "This isn't about the promise anymore...".

 

He Said "It isn't just a matter of promise...". Naruto was just implying that he wanted to save Sasuke on his own will, not just for the promise. The promise is something that ties with Sakura's relationship. It has nothing to do with Sasuke directly....That's why I'm pointing why Naruto has told again that he will keep his promise with sakura in this chapter....

He will keep his promise so Sakura can finally have Sasuke's Kwoon babies   Bc its true love afterall Kakashi agrees   . 

[Shadow1275]

I don't know, but maybe if we did know the answer to that question...we would probably know what the meaning of this chapter was in the first place....

 

This is either a writing genius or insanity.

I don't think I'd ever call him a writing genius. Part 1 works bc the character development and romance is basic. You hav a classic hot blooded Shonen protagonist competing against his calmer rival and the Tsundere love interest. It's a slam dunk. But then when he tries to go deeper into the characterization and romance he completely screws up. As a result we have a Female protagonist who sits on the sidelines and claims that she "loves" a man who she has been isolated from for years and has been a total douche to her. 

 

Than you have this said man suddenly turning against his family and siding with the racist leaders whose strict discrimination policies caused all of his turmoil in the first place. He now believes that despite his terrorist actions he will be able to take over the entire Shinobi world and rule it with an iron fist.

 

And finally our said protagonist is as dense as a doorknob. Despite his "friend" attempting to kill him, threatening his comrades, threatening his village, insulting his ideals, attempting to kill his sensei, and attempting to kill his love interest he still doesn't want to do what's necessary leaving other ppl to get their hands dirty or the villains to commit suicide in order to solve the plot. Finally despite the clear pain that Sasuke causes Sakura, Naruto never even tries to talk to her about maybe moving on or that Sasuke might not be the best option. And despite noticing Sakura showing interest in him (Ichiraku Scene anyone) He fails to even address these feelings or any confessions made by anyone for that matter and just leaves them hanging in the wind. What a great hero

 

I just don't think Kishi cares anymore. I think he's on his way out and is just looking to cash a check before Naruto ends. I just wish that he could be fired and someone else could take over.

[六道仙人]

He will keep his promise so Sakura can finally have Sasuke's Kwoon babies   Bc its true love afterall Kakashi agrees   . 

 

Love doesn't need a reason, like the hatred.

If you hatred someone, you must have a reason. But if you love someone, then there's no reason!

 

So, Kishi is trying to tell that he loves his wife for no reason? LOL

[ns.Believe.It]

It's funny how things turned out like this...not just for NS, but for a lot of things. Although I still have to laugh when some people are saying that "Sauske is so innocent and truly loves Sakura because he doesn't want her to be apart of the gruesome battle of him and Naruto."

Wait..What?! There are people who write that and actually believe that? 

 

The one thing about this chapter that has been intriguing me is the non-relation between Sakura's expression and the actual words that followed this expression. She had this really determined look but she later says her actions to help Sasuke were 'disgraceful'. It just does not make sense.

 

Is it possible that there's something more to this entire matter? Is it possible that this chapter has not completely explained everything? 

 

 

Anyway, On a completely non-related matter, I see that NarutoForums is celebrating its tenth anniversary today. I had no idea that this community was started even before NarutoForums!

 

I want to thank Smiter for creating and looking after this wonderful community all this time. Thank You Smiter.

Special mentions to all the moderators- Kages and Anbus as well. 

 

And of course, thanks for all the members of this community. We have stuck by this pairing and shared all its ups and downs for 10 years ( well, I'm a new member but still...  ). Lets continue to have faith and support each other till the time when NS finally becomes canon.  

Edited by ns.Believe.It, 27 September 2014 - 11:26 AM.

[narusaku256]

Its hard to believe that Kishi said that Sakura mirrors his wife and that his relationship is much like NS.

Is this how he'd write the character of his wife or his relationship? That's sick!

[六道仙人]

Its hard to believe that Kishi said that Sakura mirrors his wife and that his relationship is much like NS.

Is this how he'd write the character of his wife or his relationship? That's sick!

 

his wife has ntr behaviors and he must have a big complex about it.

[narusaku256]

 
his wife has ntr behaviors and he must have a big complex about it.

Not to mention that whoever her crush was....he treated her the way Sasuke did and Kishi stood there doing nothing except saying 'Hey! Stop it...!'

[Shadow1275]

Its hard to believe that Kishi said that Sakura mirrors his wife and that his relationship is much like NS.

Is this how he'd write the character of his wife or his relationship? That's sick!

Nah, Oda the author of One Piece at Kishi's wedding said that his wife looked like Sakura. 

[六道仙人]

Not to mention that whoever her crush was....he treated her the way Sasuke did and Kishi stood there doing nothing except saying 'Hey! Stop it...!'

 

he must suffered a love trauma during his school days...there's no others explanations...

 

 

Nah, Oda the author of One Piece at Kishi's wedding said that his wife looked like Sakura. 

 

not only, he said in a recent interview that Kushina was inspired from his wife, because she is a bit scaring to him... You can get who is more similar to his wife between Sakura and Hinata, apart Kushina herself (but she has said to her son to find a woman like his mother so....you can do 2+2 here).

Edited by 六道仙人, 27 September 2014 - 11:40 AM.

[narusaku256]

Nah, Oda the author of One Piece at Kishi's wedding said that his wife looked like Sakura. 

If I am not wrong on this one Kishi said it in an interview....

"If Sakura resembles my wife and if I am more like Naruto...then Sakura will be with......" or something along these lines. I can be wrong though...

[六道仙人]

If I am not wrong on this one Kishi said it in an interview....

"If Sakura resembles my wife and if I am more like Naruto...then Sakura will be with......" or something along these lines. I can be wrong though...

 

he never said a such thing, it would be too spoilerish LOL

 

he said what I have wrote in the post before yours.