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[Branden]

Man, can't wait for this "war" to be over. It's only worse that Sasuke may go heel before this arc ends or at least this baffle. So yeah guys, survive one more hurdle we almost done.

Why would you want the war to be over when it FINALLY got to the good part?

 

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Edited by Branden, 03 June 2013 - 07:20 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Why would you want the war to be over when it FINALLY got to the good part?

 

EDIT:typo

I did write in quote. I'm not talking about the manga war. I'm talking about the fan war.

[Gaara's hair]

I did write in quote. I'm not talking about the manga war. I'm talking about the fan war.

Why would you want the fan war to end its so FUN!

[T XD]

Two or three more cannon ball from us to the other ship and we got our goal XD

Edited by T XD, 03 June 2013 - 07:28 PM.

[Gravenimage]

Why would you want the fan war to end its so FUN!

 

Oh boy seriously??? With everything that has happened I don't considered it fun at all but plain frustrating and a pain in the behind. The fandom is growing meaner by the day and I fear this war will become even worst than it already is if Kishi doesn't kill for good SS.

Edited by Gravenimage, 03 June 2013 - 07:29 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Why would you want the fan war to end its so FUN!

Well, I did grow bored that I can't debate about NH anymore. So, if SS ends soon, then I have nothing but just sitting down and listen to some music. Then again, I am free to roam outside. Not that I can't do that because I do. Lol. But really, place will be really quiet when you eliminate the enemy...

[T XD]

 

Oh boy seriously??? With everything that has happened I don't considered it fun at all but plain frustrating and a pain in the behind. The fandom is growing meaner by the day and I fear this war will become even worst than it already is if Kishi doesn't kill for good SS.

Lol. Wait till it all ends, then you have a storm coming at NS from some butthurt fans.

[Gaara's hair]

Oh boy seriously??? With everything that has happened I don't considered it fun at all but plain frustrating and a pain in the behind. The fandom is growing meaner by the day and I fear this war will become even worst than it already is if Kishi doesn't kill for good SS.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words from fandoms will never hurt me.

[James S Cassidy]

Unfortunately, I am starting to see a pattern when it comes to the topic of Sakura and Sasuke. From the fans point of view, she either is in love with him still or doesn't care about him at all. For some odd reason there is no middle ground for us which I guess is understandable considering what Kishi has done throughout the series with these two characters. The fact that we have Sasuke show many of times of how he doesn't really care for Sakura or what she thinks kind of sends red flags after a while. It been quite some time since Sakura and Sasuke truly had a "moment," so it is not unreasonable to think that Sakura did or at least should have moved on by now. In fact, the last time these two met, Sasuke tried to kill her and didn't even flinch at the idea. No remorse.

This is the problem I think many fans have a hard time getting over and it is a good reason why they bring these up. That whole scene where Sasuke went completely psychotic is hard to just get over it for us fans. If it didn't happen, then I would say that Sakura still having lingering feelings is at least acceptable still at this point. The fact that these scenes did happen; where Sasuke has shown no remorse, no guilt, or even no desire for Sakura should be a huge indicator. We see it, but we question why the characters have not. The truth is it is for the sake of the story.

Sakura may be the most realistic girl, but she is not really a "realistic girl." She still does things not for the sake or realism, but for the sake of story telling. Like I asked before, ladies, tell me if you were Sakura and you had this crush on this guy who ended up doing everything to push you away and nearly attempted to kill you. Would you still want him? In a real life situation, would you still want him?

If this was a real life situation, Sasuke would probably be on America's most wanted for terrorism and murder.

However, this is not the point. I am just trying to show why it is not unreasonable for some of us to expect Sakura to be over Sasuke by now and why they find it a travesty if she still does see Sasuke in that way. She has more than enough good reasons to move on from him and I am not talking about just abandoning her. The fact that Sasuke did all that and then tells people "You should just get over it" is such crap.

Can Sakura care about Sasuke in a non-romantic way? Many want to say she does with Naruto, but why can't she do that with Sasuke? Or heck, why can't Naruto do the same with Hinata? Why must every touchy-feely moment be that of a pure romantic notion and not be something that just say "I care about them." I am not denying that Sakura can see Naruto in a platonic way, but I could say that for any scene with any character. We argue this with 615, NH argue this with the hug scene.

There are sometimes I see the drama like a soap opera where drama just seems to happen without real rhyme or reason.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Unfortunately, I am starting to see a pattern when it comes to the topic of Sakura and Sasuke. From the fans point of view, she either is in love with him still or doesn't care about him at all. For some odd reason there is no middle ground for us which I guess is understandable considering what Kishi has done throughout the series with these two characters. The fact that we have Sasuke show many of times of how he doesn't really care for Sakura or what she thinks kind of sends red flags after a while. It been quite some time since Sakura and Sasuke truly had a "moment," so it is not unreasonable to think that Sakura did or at least should have moved on by now. In fact, the last time these two met, Sasuke tried to kill her and didn't even flinch at the idea. No remorse.

This is the problem I think many fans have a hard time getting over and it is a good reason why they bring these up. That whole scene where Sasuke went completely psychotic is hard to just get over it for us fans. If it didn't happen, then I would say that Sakura still having lingering feelings is at least acceptable still at this point. The fact that these scenes did happen; where Sasuke has shown no remorse, no guilt, or even no desire for Sakura should be a huge indicator. We see it, but we question why the characters have not. The truth is it is for the sake of the story.

Sakura may be the most realistic girl, but she is not really a "realistic girl." She still does things not for the sake or realism, but for the sake of story telling. Like I asked before, ladies, tell me if you were Sakura and you had this crush on this guy who ended up doing everything to push you away and nearly attempted to kill you. Would you still want him? In a real life situation, would you still want him?

If this was a real life situation, Sasuke would probably be on America's most wanted for terrorism and murder.

However, this is not the point. I am just trying to show why it is not unreasonable for some of us to expect Sakura to be over Sasuke by now and why they find it a travesty if she still does see Sasuke in that way. She has more than enough good reasons to move on from him and I am not talking about just abandoning her. The fact that Sasuke did all that and then tells people "You should just get over it" is such crap.

Can Sakura care about Sasuke in a non-romantic way? Many want to say she does with Naruto, but why can't she do that with Sasuke? Or heck, why can't Naruto do the same with Hinata? Why must every touchy-feely moment be that of a pure romantic notion and not be something that just say "I care about them." I am not denying that Sakura can see Naruto in a platonic way, but I could say that for any scene with any character. We argue this with 615, NH argue this with the hug scene.

There are sometimes I see the drama like a soap opera where drama just seems to happen without real rhyme or reason.

Were you the one that told me about FF8 concept, where the girl thought she loves the hero, but really, it's more like a sibling love? That I can see Sakura doing for Sasuke, especially since he see them as a family. So it's like if Naruto can be his brother, she can be his sister.

[James S Cassidy]

Were you the one that told me about FF8 concept, where the girl thought she loves the hero, but really, it's more like a sibling love? That I can see Sakura doing for Sasuke, especially since he see them as a family. So it's like if Naruto can be his brother, she can be his sister.

Yes. I find the FF8 love triangles between Quistis, Rinoa, Squall, and Seifer are rather similar though not exact.

Quistis = Hinata
Rinoa = Sakura
Squall = Naruto
Seifer = Sasuke.

It is especially true when you realize that Seifer and Squall have a type of rivalry and are the only ones with gunblades. Rinoa also first fell in love with Seifer cause she saw him as this hero, though he never really cared about her and Squall cared about Rinoa, but he felt life was better alone. Quistis tried getting with Squall, but ended up realizing that maybe she just wanted to be the sister Squall was looking for.
 

 

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words from fandoms will never hurt me.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but first you have to throw them.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 03 June 2013 - 07:44 PM.

[Gaara's hair]

Unless I fall off of my roof and onto a pile of rocks.

[T XD]

@ James: It's like you said. All this is for the sake of the story. I think that some don't think in that way like it's not unreasonable for Sakura to be over Sasuke by now. They tend to seek from the manga what it has till now. That's how I see it regarding them. Everything what the manga holds till now. It's not completely wrong though.

 

For example, me, I'm not against that Sakura is very well possible over Sasuke. In fact, I hold to that possibility a lot. But, regarding the drama part of the story and that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are known to be not wanted from her, I think also that Sakura still got lingering feelings for him and will be addressed in the future just for the sake for having drama.

Edited by T XD, 03 June 2013 - 08:07 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Unless I fall off of my roof and onto a pile of rocks.

That's a whole new territory. I call it the "America's Funniest Home Videos" :)

Wait, are we actually talking about debating terms or just what can hurt the most?
 

 

 

@ James: It's like you said. All this is for the sake of the story. I think that some don't think in that way like it's not unreasonable for Sakura to be over Sasuke by now. They tend to seek from the manga what it has till now. That's how I see it. Everything what the manga holds till now. It's not completely wrong though.

 

For example, me, I'm not against that Sakura is very well possible over Sasuke. In fact, I hold to that possibility a lot. But, regarding the drama part of the story and that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are known to be not wanted from her, I think Sakura still got lingering feelings for him and will be addressed in the future just for the sake for having drama.

Ah, but here is the kicker. What if having said drama ruins the story more than it does add to it? Take my example of a Soap Opera where the idea of the show is to purposely make the drama as dramatic as possible. That's kind of the main focus of it. Naruto however is not a soap opera and drama, while apart of the story, is not really the main focus.

Continue to have Sakura have these lingering feelings for Sasuke just for the sake of drama might just ruin the story. It's all what Kishi wants to do with it. If he wants to show this manga off for a drama, then yeah doing that will accomplish his goal, but at high cost. We can't deny that Sakura will be seen very poorly for it especially since many already see her poorly now despite Kishi trying to show she is more than what they think.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 03 June 2013 - 08:06 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

 

That's perfectly acceptable, I agree. But it doesn't directly address the fact that Sakura continues to have feelings for Sasuke in a non-platonic form. It appears that there is too great of a leap in the transitioning of her intentions. We're focusing entirely on Sakura's resulting platonic ambitions relating to Sasuke without addressing how she comes to that point in her emotions which brings me back to the issue of Kishimoto's writing appearing questionable if he's unable to make a proper transition from Sakura's misconstrued romantic love for Sasuke to wanting to acquire his acknowledgement/friendship without any romantic implications.

 

 

 

I dont know but i feel that it's stated on databooks and moreover on eviews, Sakura already got that acknowledgement, there's nothing left for Sakura to resolve with Sasuke aside about her feelings, she got acknowledged as a friend/teammate when Sasuke told her "Thank you" i would recommend to you to revisit Sakura's confession she says "i'm annoying, i always got in your way and etc... and says this is what you think about me" then later after he says thank you and knock her out.

Sasuke acknowledged Sakura as this, and which why she holds on this love for too long, it's because of that acknowledgement, this is bad writing and the reason why she doenst have a legitimate reason to love, the truth is that there's nothing that holds Sakura's feelings for Sauske anymore, Kishi's point and development is not about, you can keep seeking that acknowledgement without having to pursue a romantic relationship but rather telling her that she doesnt deserve a guy like him, that she should love someome not based on looks or whatever but because of it's personality.

She cant seek something that she already has from Sasuke which was the acknowledgment.

 

 

She didnt wanted to pursue any acknowledgement but rather wanting to be usefull and strong, Naruto and Sasuke doesnt have to say anything but rather Sakura feelings that finnaly she thinks she's strong, which happened on 632.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 03 June 2013 - 08:00 PM.

[Gaara's hair]

That's a whole new territory. I call it the "America's Funniest Home Videos" :)

Wait, are we actually talking about debating terms or just what can hurt the most?

Debating terms or maybe both I don't know I just answered without thinking. :]

[James S Cassidy]

Debating terms or maybe both I don't know I just answered without thinking. :]

Well, thank you for being honest. XD Although, tripping and falling on rocks is not the same as someone else throwing them at my direction.

[Gaara's hair]

Well, thank you for being honest. XD Although, tripping and falling on rocks is not the same as someone else throwing them at my direction.

Unless someone pushes you making you fall on the rocks.

[James S Cassidy]

Unless someone pushes you making you fall on the rocks.

Well, in order for that to happen, they need to climb the mountain and be on equal level. Sadly, they are either too much in denial to climb or have no climbing equipment with them. So pushing me off is impossible.

[KnS]

About the Sakura and Sasuke stuff....

 

I think that tolerance/forgiveness of behavior that would rarely be tolerated or forgiven in real life is meant to be a part of the framework of this story.  One of the main themes is about acceptance, ending the cycle of hatred, and persevering with your belief in those you care about.

 

As we all know, the Third struggled to kill Orochimaru regardless of what he had done.  Jiraiya never totally gave up on him either.  Naruto can't give up on Sasuke.  Kakashi struggled with the thought of killing Sasuke as well, and even thought of the Third at that moment.  Kakashi is trying to save Obito right now.

 

While I agree that even a Narutoverse girl should get past romantic love for a guy who has tried to kill her repeatedly and shown no remorse, she should not be expected to hate the guy or give up on his redemption any more than any other character.  If Naruto can still care about Sasuke after what he's done, Sakura can still care about him too. 

 

And I think that's what we're going to see -- Sakura will care about Sasuke and what happens to him, but no longer want him in a romantic sense.  We've been shown a number of signs that the complete transformation of her feelings is going to happen if it hasn't already.

 

Also, it's not just Sakura who would need to let go and move on from her romantic attachment to an inappropriate choice.  The same would be true for Hinata.  Sure, Naruto hasn't tried to kill her nor has he even mistreated her, but he hasn't exactly been a prince to her, either. She nearly got herself killed because she wanted so much to make her love known to him, and her whole life and nindo have revolved around him. 

 

Nevertheless, Naruto has not only not acknowledged her feelings in a significant way, he very recently declared another girl to be his girlfriend right in front of her.  If Hinata was a girl we knew in real life, odds are the advice we'd give her is something like, "Forget him. He doesn't care about you the way you deserve.  Move on and find a guy who doesn't love someone else." 

 

I just don't want Sakura to be the only one judged for hanging onto misplaced feelings longer than we think she should have.

 

Overall, I don't think Kishimoto has been attempting to apply "real world" morality to any part of his story, so why are we tempted to expect "real world" reactions from his characters when it comes to the romance subplots?

 

We, as readers, shouldn't be capable of suspending our disbelief for all the other stuff -- breathing fire, turning your arm into a lightning blade, resurrecting the dead through human sacrifice, demons sealed into infants, etc., etc. -- on the one hand, and yet on the other hand balk at the lack of realism when a teenage girl has romantic feelings for a guy who treats her poorly.

 

I'm pretty sure Sakura is going to figure everything out anyway. 

 

Just my opinion.