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[TouKen4Life3g]

I feel the exact same way   Personally, I feel that since Kishi should honestly try and make some amends to subtly start patching things up within Team 7 for the inevitable moment when the bonds are fully repaired, we may at least get Sasuke reacting to Sakura's real power, and perhaps even commenting on it - which is not a pairing moment in and of itself, but it'll be enough to get the fandom going... and it'll be funny to see it happening, considering that Sasuke's already acknowledged another girl 300+ chapters ago and that's always been called 'meaningless' by the very same people who would party about this    

Lol.

 

Seriously, this guy better react or something because this is becoming more colder than RtN and that's not even him. I kind of want to bring the same post from another thread, but I think it was a bit bashful, but it does make me remember why I can't see SS at all. But anyway, I do wonder about the next arc because it really feels like it will be Team 7 vs. Team Taka + Orochimaru and Kabuto (?). I guess it has that "Finish the Fight" feeling but we'll see.

[KnS]

I think Kishi dropped the ball for SS in this chapter because to be honest, this was a great time to say sorry. In fact, he had enough time to do so. So why didn't he?

 

I get what you're saying.  But in the wake of #631 I'm personally less inclined to assume Kishimoto has made a mistake or "dropped the ball" than I might have been before.  I suppose that instead of trying to figure it out (I'm usually wrong anyway, lol) I should just wait for things to unfold and see what happens.  I'm guessing that if Kishimoto EVER had specific plans in mind for the story, it's in this area.

 

Anyway, the problem with your last line is that Karin will be on Sasuke's side for the run to Hokage as Sakura most likely go with Naruto. Candidates' love interest fight? Plus, it seems Karin will be the one to pretty much scare all women away from Sasuke, so yeah, good luck with that. Anyway, point is that Karin and the rest of the team are going to side with Sasuke while Team 7 (and Konoha) is behind Naruto. Hm, I don't know Kishi will set this up, but it looks like a team vs. team may happen. Remember, Sasuke is a missing nin and we don't know what's his plan to get his credibility back.

 

Oh, I expect Karin to support Sasuke.  I didn't mean she would be a wild card in that way.  I meant it strictly in the sense that when Sakura healed her a strange sort of bond formed there.  Karin thought of Sakura as an enemy until she could sense her pain.  She didn't want to empathize with her, or feel any sort of connection to her.  But she did.  I don't know if it was meant to foreshadow anything, or how it could possible come into play, that's why I was musing about it.

[StriderC]

I honestly can not believe that antis pretty much disregard pretty much everything that happens with NS.

 

I hear folks saying that they don't know why Naruto likes Sakura, and they pretty much call it a shallow love saying he liked her because she was cute. 

 

Then I hear folks saying that Sakura's only contribution to Part 1 is the promise Naruto made to her.

 

Then I hear folks saying that NH has more development.

 

I mean, when you spout crap like this, then you're obviously being VERY selective with what you read and completely disregard what's right there. It's pathetic. Oh, and I just how people are ragging on Sakura constantly saying that she'd better do something or she'll be considered a secondary character. Some want her dead. Some say she can't do anything because her teacher couldn't. These arguments are just a boat load of fail...

[kidNinja]

Am I the only hoping for it to be kinda like an election-style campaign? Kissing babies, ass-kissing for votes, debates on ideals (think younger son vs older son), the whole nine yards.

 

 

 

 

 

And could you imagine Sasuke running an attack ad on Naruto and then at the end hearing, "I'm Sasuke Uchiha and I approve of this message." I could picture Naruto's reluctance to use mud slinging and trying to win fair and square.

 

 

Kinda sounds like a fanfic now that I think about it...

[Slextrem]

I honestly can not believe that antis pretty much disregard pretty much everything that happens with NS.

 

I hear folks saying that they don't know why Naruto likes Sakura, and they pretty much call it a shallow love saying he liked her because she was cute. 

 

Then I hear folks saying that Sakura's only contribution to Part 1 is the promise Naruto made to her.

 

Then I hear folks saying that NH has more development.

 

I mean, when you spout crap like this, then you're obviously being VERY selective with what you read and completely disregard what's right there. It's pathetic. Oh, and I just how people are ragging on Sakura constantly saying that she'd better do something or she'll be considered a secondary character. Some want her dead. Some say she can't do anything because her teacher couldn't. These arguments are just a boat load of fail...

Selective reading by fans can be really annoying, especially when those fans decide to be vocal about things.

Just give them this link ( http://www.narusaku....showtopic=12836 ), and walk away with your middle finger in the air.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

I get what you're saying.  But in the wake of #631 I'm personally less inclined to assume Kishimoto has made a mistake or "dropped the ball" than I might have been before.  I suppose that instead of trying to figure it out (I'm usually wrong anyway, lol) I should just wait for things to unfold and see what happens.  I'm guessing that if Kishimoto EVER had specific plans in mind for the story, it's in this area.

 

 

Oh, I expect Karin to support Sasuke.  I didn't mean she would be a wild card in that way.  I meant it strictly in the sense that when Sakura healed her a strange sort of bond formed there.  Karin thought of Sakura as an enemy until she could sense her pain.  She didn't want to empathize with her, or feel any sort of connection to her.  But she did.  I don't know if it was meant to foreshadow anything, or how it could possible come into play, that's why I was musing about it.

I understand. It's just that Sasuke has been known not to apologize to Sakura before, so if it doesn't happen, well, that sucks. Quite frankly, when you get down to it, SS is the only one that's left nothing in part 2 at all. And no, Sakura's part on Sasuke doesn't count when I'm addressing this, let alone they're negative moments, so yeah, isn't that cruel for Kishi to do this? Hell, I'm saying this as a guy who doesn't like it, but even I found it cruel. The movie was a middle finger from Kishi. I don't know, I know he can still say sorry, but you know something, what is Sasuke going to do here. He better freaking help when people gets hurt. That's my concern. He should if he wants to be "Hokage".

 

It could foreshadow something but somehow, long time ago, I always feel like it's a setup for Naruto vs. Sasuke to begin with a epic line introduction from Sakura. Like say Karin is down and Sakura is just looking and Karin will say something about Sasuke will win and she should be happy that he's going to be Hokage, but Sakura will tell her she's wrong because one man with big dream, big heart, and an idiot who can never stop moving even getting hurt along the way is going to be the one to be Hokage, and the chapter ends with Naruto and Sasuke side-by-side, readying for the epic battle with probably a long break from Kishi. Yeah, I think a lot. Lol. Anyway, who knows. Karin knows Naruto and he may recall about him being the nicer guy and such, so let's see.

[StriderC]

Selective reading by fans can be really annoying, especially when those fans decide to be vocal about things.

Just give them this link ( http://www.narusaku....showtopic=12836 ), and walk away with your middle finger in the air.

They'll like shimmy right around the build up. It's absolutely bonkers though. I really want to know how in the world one misses all of the development NS gets. It's plastered all over the manga. They only look at the so called "negatives".

 

Their favorite arguments.

 

1. Abusive

2. Failfession

3. She only loves Sasuke. It's in the mangaaaaaa. Durrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  

 

My response.

 

1. Comic relief

2. Up for interpretation. She didn't deny her feelings.

3. She may love Sasuke but that doesn't mean she doesn't have feelings for Naruto. Look at the manga and databook.  

[Don-kun]

I don't really know what to expect.  In all honesty, after #631 I haven't been able to imagine a scenario where Sakura's remaining feelings for Sasuke -- whatever they are -- could even give the temporary appearance of threatening where she's at with Naruto.

And I'm not saying that as a blind shipper.  I'm saying that as a reader who expects more complication regarding Sakura's old feelings for Sasuke.  I just can't see any way that it could be addressed that wouldn't seem like a clunky, implausible, backward step.

I mean, the events in #631 were a big deal.  Naruto pretty much put his intentions/feelings for Sakura out there.  Sasuke showed up and Sakura didn't react with hopeful, starry eyes.  Sasuke is unchanged, proving himself as cold, self-centered, and disconnected as ever.  Sasuke went on to announce his intention to subvert Naruto's dream of becoming Hokage -- a dream we know Sakura also holds close to her heart -- and Sakura didn't take his pronouncement any better than the other rookies.  

So where could a plausible SS moment fit in?

I suppose if Sasuke does something inadvertently noble again -- like against Haku when his "body moved on its own" and he saved Naruto's life (my pet theory) -- and Sakura has one last fantasy moment that he truly is a great guy if she's in love with him (*cue gagging sounds*) -- or something.  But still.  That really doesn't work.  Not in light of #631.

But something has to happen, right?  Because it's unlikely that Sakura would not revisit the conflict that has defined her relationship with the boys from the beginning.  I just can't see it.

 

And Karin is a wild card.  Her interaction with Sakura... back when Sakura healed her... hmm.

 

In part I agree with you, Naruto will have to make a sudden switch towards Hinata for Sakura to shown still wanting to establish a relationship with Sasuke, I mean he just told his father that he likes her, Sakura already knows how far he will go for her, she already confessed to him plus she didn't deny his assumption about being his girlfriend plus to make matters worst the last chapter proved that Sasuke is no longer her center of attention and that Naruto is the one she want to support, I'm not sating that a SS moment cannot happen since the Author is capable of doing what he wants, but even so I don't think that scenario would be appropriate since he just reaffirmed his main character feelings despite all the things that happen between them and between Naruto and Hinata.

 

 

I don't blame you.

 

I think Kishi dropped the ball for SS in this chapter because to be honest, this was a great time to say sorry. In fact, he had enough time to do so. So why didn't he? He only responded her because she said his name in a confusing way because heck, can't you blame her. We last saw him as a crazy path, now in there probably about to attack, only to tell them that he will protect the village and become Hokage, even if people don't like it, he don't care about their decisions/feelings, which is why Naruto was alerted once he said that. Think as the confession. Naruto winning Sakura's love was so close until Sasuke part came in. For this, Naruto was close to have Sasuke back until he said that line.

 

Anyway, the problem with your last line is that Karin will be on Sasuke's side for the run to Hokage as Sakura most likely go with Naruto. Candidates' love interest fight? Plus, it seems Karin will be the one to pretty much scare all women away from Sasuke, so yeah, good luck with that. Anyway, point is that Karin and the rest of the team are going to side with Sasuke while Team 7 (and Konoha) is behind Naruto. Hm, I don't know Kishi will set this up, but it looks like a team vs. team may happen. Remember, Sasuke is a missing nin and we don't know what's his plan to get his credibility back.

 

I believe you're giving Karin too much credit, Karin is not a main character Sakura is a main character so Look more forward to Karin asking Sasuke about Sakura or Karin asking Sakura about her relationship with Sasuke and Naruto.

About the first part of your post, you need to remember that Sasuke has not apologize to Naruto either and for the Manga to come full circle his apology to team 7 needs to happen at some point, maybe Kishi just desided that it isn't the right time to focus and that plus we need to remember that Sasuke is still in his self-centered mode something that also needs to change before the end of the Manga.

 

And about the Hokage stuff, to me that is what buried SS even more since we all know Sakura will supports Naruto's dream over Sasuke's desire.

 

I seems like I need to learn a lot about this new forum, I feel like a novice once again.

Edited by Don-kun, 28 May 2013 - 05:38 AM.

[KnS]

Though I dont think its absolutely necessary, I can see why some shippers need Sasuke to be reformed before they can fully accept her choice to date Naruto.

 

I agree.  But my question would be, Sasuke reformed to what extent?  He was beginning to truly care about Team 7 (well, he cared about Naruto, at least) before -- that's why he severed those bonds and left at the end of Part I -- because he thought they would hold him back.  But he wasn't exactly a prince even in his best moments. 

 

Is it realistic for any fans to expect Sasuke to be a nice man?  One who treats people with respect and open friendship?  He's never been like that.  If Naruto prevents him from becoming Hokage, what then?  What's it going to take to change who Sasuke has always been?

 

I don't see Sakura ever being happy with him, no matter what happens.

[Jake]

Am I the only hoping for it to be kinda like an election-style campaign? Kissing babies, ass-kissing for votes, debates on ideals (think younger son vs older son), the whole nine yards.

 

 

 

 

 

And could you imagine Sasuke running an attack ad on Naruto and then at the end hearing, "I'm Sasuke Uchiha and I approve of this message." I could picture Naruto's reluctance to use mud slinging and trying to win fair and square.

 

 

Kinda sounds like a fanfic now that I think about it...

 

I can see the debate now.

 

Sasuke: Naruto is the Jinchuriki of the Nine-Tailed Fox.

Naruto: And you is an international criminal.

Debate over Naruto wins.

 

I don't think that would work too well in a shonen manga though.

[StriderC]

 

I agree.  But my question would be, Sasuke reformed to what extent?  He was beginning to truly care about Team 7 (well, he cared about Naruto, at least) before -- that's why he severed those bonds and left at the end of Part I -- because he thought they would hold him back.  But he wasn't exactly a prince even in his best moments. 

 

Is it realistic for any fans to expect Sasuke to be a nice man?  One who treats people with respect and open friendship?  He's never been like that.  If Naruto prevents him from becoming Hokage, what then?  What's it going to take to change who Sasuke has always been?

 

I don't see Sakura ever being happy with him, no matter what happens.

It's crazy that people actively ship her with Sasuke. I mean, do they not look at her face when she thought about Sasuke in 573? She's not happy about the way she feels about this guy. That relationship would be terrible. Only one guy has her best interest at her, and that's Naruto. 

[KnS]

In part I agree with you, Naruto will have to make a sudden switch towards Hinata for Sakura to shown still wanting to establish a relationship with Sasuke, I mean he just told his father that he likes her, Sakura already knows how far he will go for her, she already confessed to him plus she didn't deny his assumption about being his girlfriend plus to make matters worst the last chapter proved that Sasuke is no longer her center of attention and that Naruto is the one she want to support, I'm not sating that a SS moment cannot happen since the Author is capable of doing what he wants, but even so I don't think that scenario would be appropriate since he just reaffirmed his main character feelings despite all the things that happen between them and between Naruto and Hinata.

 

Yes, that's what I think too.

 

I seems like I need to learn a lot about this new forum, I feel like a novice once again.

 

Don't worry.  You'll get the hang of it.  :)

[Slextrem]

They'll like shimmy right around the build up. It's absolutely bonkers though. I really want to know how in the world one misses all of the development NS gets. It's plastered all over the manga. They only look at the so called "negatives".

That's why I don't go looking for the opinions of other shipping fandoms. I prefer enjoying each chapter for what it's worth without having outside opinions trying to influence me.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

 

 

I seems like I need to learn a lot about this new forum, I feel like a novice once again.

Not going to lie, but the more I learn here, the more I really getting hook to it.

 

Anyway, well you got to remember, this manga is known to have action to say sorry rather than saying it. Also, for all we know, Kishi is probably an a-hole for not giving SS a chance or two. I know I'm basing this from the movie, but then again, Minato's part is like based on the movie, especially with parallel now officially canon. So I don't know Karin would even give a crap about others, so long she got Sasuke and the team, since she did show care for the team. If anything, I get the feeling she may play as a tweener, because she knows Naruto is a really nice guy and she may feel odd for seeing her love, Sasuke, going against Naruto. I'm starting to see the reason for her recognizing Naruto more and more and it could play a part. Remember, she was there to hear the whole speech from Naruto to Sasuke. Hm....

 

 

I agree.  But my question would be, Sasuke reformed to what extent?  He was beginning to truly care about Team 7 (well, he cared about Naruto, at least) before -- that's why he severed those bonds and left at the end of Part I -- because he thought they would hold him back.  But he wasn't exactly a prince even in his best moments. 

 

Is it realistic for any fans to expect Sasuke to be a nice man?  One who treats people with respect and open friendship?  He's never been like that.  If Naruto prevents him from becoming Hokage, what then?  What's it going to take to change who Sasuke has always been?

 

I don't see Sakura ever being happy with him, no matter what happens.

Sasuke will have the same attitude as ever. It's just that when people are in danger, he will save them. That said I don't know he's like that now, because he just said that he don't care about them, so again, he's doing it so he can control Konoha and it will be his way. Ironically, the way Danzou wanted to do.

[Zatheko]

It's crazy that people actively ship her with Sasuke. I mean, do they not look at her face when she thought about Sasuke in 573? She's not happy about the way she feels about this guy. That relationship would be terrible. Only one guy has her best interest at her, and that's Naruto. 

 

Sometimes I wonder if a lot of SS fans even actually read the same manga we read.

 

I have ran into some SS fans who say that both Sasuke and Sakura care for eachother deeply and that they have a bond deeper than any other two people in the show.

 

Where do they get the idea that Sasuke cares that deeply about Sakura let alone having the "deepest" bond in the manga.

 

I am at a loss of words when it comes to things like this.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 

Sometimes I wonder if a lot of SS fans even actually read the same manga we read.

 

I have ran into some SS fans who say that both Sasuke and Sakura care for eachother deeply and that they have a bond deeper than any other two people in the show.

 

Where do they get the idea that Sasuke cares that deeply about Sakura let alone having the "deepest" bond in the manga.

 

I am at a loss of words when it comes to things like this.

Well, I got no idea who thinks that, but let's not talk about them. I understand what you mean, but yeah, let's keep about us. No mentions on fans, just the statement itself should be good enough.

 

That said it's funny how I actually thought this back when I only saw 1 episode and my cousin gave me the rundown of the characters, so naturally, I thought Sasuke was a good guy. Boy, I can't be more wrong. I thought Naruto didn't love Sakura in a mature way. Boy, was I incredibly wrong there. First impression should be your best impression, but to me, first should never be your last. That's why I wonder if many people have reread this manga to see the real picture. Not that I want them to drop or like a pairing, but see it how it's really is.

[Lady_duckish]

 

I agree.  But my question would be, Sasuke reformed to what extent?  He was beginning to truly care about Team 7 (well, he cared about Naruto, at least) before -- that's why he severed those bonds and left at the end of Part I -- because he thought they would hold him back.  But he wasn't exactly a prince even in his best moments. 

 

Is it realistic for any fans to expect Sasuke to be a nice man?  One who treats people with respect and open friendship?  He's never been like that.  If Naruto prevents him from becoming Hokage, what then?  What's it going to take to change who Sasuke has always been?

 

I don't see Sakura ever being happy with him, no matter what happens.

 

I doubt anyone even wants to picture Sasuke as a nice guy. Sure characters grow and change but Sasuke is the moody silent type. Eh, its his thing (:

 

By reformed I mean no longer a murderous vengeful teenage boy. 

Edited by Lady_duckish, 28 May 2013 - 06:03 AM.

[StriderC]

 

Sometimes I wonder if a lot of SS fans even actually read the same manga we read.

 

I have ran into some SS fans who say that both Sasuke and Sakura care for eachother deeply and that they have a bond deeper than any other two people in the show.

 

Where do they get the idea that Sasuke cares that deeply about Sakura let alone having the "deepest" bond in the manga.

 

I am at a loss of words when it comes to things like this.

 

LOL! Stuff like this seriously can't even be taken seriously. I can't believe someone actually said they have  deep bond...     

That's why I don't go looking for the opinions of other shipping fandoms. I prefer enjoying each chapter for what it's worth without having outside opinions trying to influence me.

LOL Oh, they don't influence me. I'm always at a loss though when it comes to their thought process and how they receive the manga though.

[Don-kun]

Selective reading by fans can be really annoying, especially when those fans decide to be vocal about things.

Just give them this link ( http://www.narusaku....showtopic=12836 ), and walk away with your middle finger in the air.

Honestly what would that do? You gave them a raw translation of what happen in 631 and they still deny it, now the focus is on NS is not a serious relationship is make of comic relief while ignoring the fact that most Shounen relationship most of the times have the share of slapstick humor in it. I mean the denial is so strong that know they say that NH has more development than NS while clinging on SS to break Naruto's heart or Sakura's death. They say NS cannot stand on his own that it need help from third party, I mean isn't that shows you that people notice that there is something more than only friends going on between the two something they cannot see in the other relationship. So much faith in your that you have to spend most of the time bashing your rival or denying the Manga itself.

 

 

Yes, that's what I think too.

 

 

Don't worry.  You'll get the hang of it.  :)

I always believe that people only read this Manga for what they want to see and not for what is actually going on, for example people believe Naruto is a jerk for not liking Hinata or that Sakura should not let go of her feelings for Sasuke despite those feelings hurting her, I mean some even act has if Sakura is the Uchiha brat property.

 

That's why I don't go looking for the opinions of other shipping fandoms. I prefer enjoying each chapter for what it's worth without having outside opinions trying to influence me.

Looking on other pairing opinions is the worst thing you can do, NS is based on comic relief and doesn't have melodrama that's why the pairing is only a joke. 

Edited by Don-kun, 28 May 2013 - 06:09 AM.

[Anguyen92]

Am I the only hoping for it to be kinda like an election-style campaign? Kissing babies, ass-kissing for votes, debates on ideals (think younger son vs older son), the whole nine yards.

 

 

 

 

 

And could you imagine Sasuke running an attack ad on Naruto and then at the end hearing, "I'm Sasuke Uchiha and I approve of this message." I could picture Naruto's reluctance to use mud slinging and trying to win fair and square.

 

 

Kinda sounds like a fanfic now that I think about it...

 

That would be very interesting to say the least.  Though I can't imagine either of them kissing babies and going the whole nine yards, because that would be totally OOC of Sasuke to pull something that gentle and tender and I can't see Naruto do that because of his goofy and clumsy side (though that may work in his favor actually if this were to actually go in an election).

 

As for the attack ads, would be interesting, scenario-wise, if Sasuke would pull something from Naruto's darkest hours and use it against him and vise-versa.

 

I still think Naruto would still win this election hands-down because he is just more likeable if you really get to know the dude on a more deeper level.