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[rocci]

When smart people in naruto make a plan and execute it, usually the out come doesn't like what they expect.

Itachi and minato suffer it, so does sakura.
If sakura succed in killing sasuke, then naruto will hate sakura and only her.
People say that sakura will accept sasuke when she know about the itachi truth. Well kakashi know it too and still intend to kill him.

Sasuke will redeem because he doesn't cross that line, yet.

Just my opinion.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

I'm going to try to make this quick because don't have a lot of time to spare right now, but while lurking I came across the discussion going on here and decided to throw in my two cents, lol.

 

She doesn't love him, it's a school girl crush that she's just not able to shake off. What exactly is it she loves about him?
-his "cool" personality
-his looks

That's it. Hell there's always more emphasis on what Naruto thinks about Sasuke than Sakura. Switching from a douche to a slightly less pompous douche due to how she actually feels isn't shallow, getting stuck on someone for years because you think he's cute on the other hand...

 

I very much disagree. Sakura's feelings are not a "school girl crush" that she just can't shake. It started out as shallow and idealistic infatuation, but I don't think at this point it's anywhere near that simple. Sakura, like Naruto, development a strong emotional attachment to Sasuke and while I think Kishimoto did a poor job of showing how each of them got to the point of becoming so devoted to Sasuke, that's what it is. A very strong emotional attachment. Unlike a simple crush, which is fleeting and superficial, emotional bonds from one person to another are not so easy to let go of. Even if the other person doesn't feel the same. It's not as straightforward as Sakura acknowledging and knowing that Sasuke's no good for her -- that's not enough to change her feelings, at least not right away.

 

The way I see it, Sakura keeps holding on to Sasuke not because of her feelings for him, but because she sees him as someone who's on the wrong path and in need of saving; not unlike one might view a drug addict. Sakura is very caring and forgiving. She has a big heart, and I think she just wants to see the best in Sasuke. She's not been "stuck on him" for years just because she thinks he's cute. Come on.

 

But it also won't change the fact that
-Sakura's feelings aren't realistic or consistent for that matter
-Naruto's a silver medal
-Kishi's intentions of writing a good story mess up more and more with every time Sasuke gets a free pass for acting like a moron.
-Despite someone who likes romance Kishi sure as kitten doesn't know what he's doing

 

Sakura's feelings are confusing, but I think that's kind of the point. Again, it's not easy to move on from someone you're attached to, especially for women. (Though I'm not trying to generalize all women as being the same when it comes to relationships, they aren't, and I hate those kinds of generalizations and stereotypes.)

 

I've not personally been in the situation of being in a verbally or physically abusive relationship, but I know women who have and how difficult it was for them to make the final decision to move on because they wanted to "make it work". Women tend to form stronger emotional bonds than men and women who get caught up in unhealthy relationships can develop a sense of inferiority, thinking that they deserve the abuse from their significant other; and sometimes they think if they keep trying hard enough the other person will change for the better. And of course there are numerous other possible reasons.

 

Sakura and Sasuke did not have a romantic relationship -- Sakura's feelings would probably make a lot more sense if they had -- and they were never even particularly close and that's where things start coming across as unrealistic. But the process she's going through right now is not unrealistic at all from my perspective. I do think that Sakura's conflict with her feelings has been dragged out too long for the sake of dramatic impact, but I think the reader's perception of time while reading versus the actual time passed in the manga is partially to blame for that. For us, we've watched Sakura's back and forth romantic conflict go on for years, but for her it's only been like a few months from the time she first saw Sasuke after three years to now.

 

Again the problem is that at this point it's hard not to see Naruto as a silver medal, Sakura referring to Sasuke as the someone else while setting up NS as endgame makes it look like Sakura hasn't moved on at all.

I want to love NS but it's hard to do that when it's end result is based on Sasuke becoming evil and not her actually choosing Naruto over Sasuke that opportunity came and went with the fake confession.

 

Now, I get where you are coming from here, the last thing I want is for Naruto to look like second best because of the pain Sasuke caused Sakura. Who Sakura loves in the end shouldn't come down to a better or worse comparison. I've decided to not worry about it though and just wait and see how Kishi decides to handle it in the time the manga has left. I've got too much real life drama going on to agonize over something like this.

 

However, I don't think the opportunity "came and went" with the confession, the manga is not over yet and it's too soon to draw concrete conclusions. Naruto has not given up or moved on from Sakura so it's not like she missed her only opportunity to pursue a relationship with him. The process of Sakura letting go of her feelings for Sasuke and deciding to move on is not going to happen all at once. It's not like flipping a switch. I also think Sakura doesn't feel she is deserving of Naruto at the moment and that's part of what's holding her back.

 

I could elaborate a lot more, but this has already taken a lot longer to type out than I meant to so I'm going to end here.

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 17 June 2014 - 05:27 PM.

[narusaku256]

For heaven's sake 540 again! Alright, yes the confession was fake. Yes, Sakura still loves Sasuke. Yes, she lied to Naruto. Yes, her thinking of Sasuke when addressed to 'someone' means her still loving Sasuke. Yes, Sakura is a blockhead who still cannot get over Sasuke because he has looks to die for. Yes, she's naive because she cannot get over Sasuke even after two murder attempts. Yes, Sakura is the worst character ever written. And finally YES YES and YES Naruto is.....a kittening silver medal. Sakura will choose Naruto because she cannot get together with Sasuke. This is the truth. It is edged on the stone and is as clear as crystal. I am just in denial for I cannot accept and see the truth.

Edited by narusaku256, 17 June 2014 - 04:37 PM.

[Shadow Wolf]

La la laaa, Sauce never cared

La la laaa 635

La la laaa, Haruko did

La la laaa, so Sakura can.

[James S Cassidy]

For heaven's sake 540 again!

 
Should I bring the interview up again?

[narusaku256]

 
Should I bring the interview up again?

For your, mine and this forum's sake, please don't.

[AHK]

Should I bring the interview up again?

  

For your, mine and this forum's sake, please don't.

Hate to be that guy, but what interview are we talking about?

[luffyq1]

  
Hate to be that guy, but what interview are we talking about?

The one that almost every NS fan uses to validate the confession. It's tiring really.

[Don-kun]

@BakeNeko-Chan

Like you I also believe that what is holding Sakura from being honest with her feeling towards Naruto has something to do with her not feeling deserved of his affection and to some point knowing how Hinata feels about Naruto something we know Sakura was not happy about, this might sound stp** to others but I will even say that at this point Sakura might see Sasuke has the 2nd best because she would not let her self be with the one she really wants to be with.

The genuine affection Sakura has displayed toward Naruto has never being that emphasized toward another character including Sasuke, Sai notice it, Yamato noticed it, 680 we saw her reaction when Naruto said that he understand Sasuke, chapter 236, that fond smile she reserves for Naruto and Naruto only those are some of the many examples we have gotten so far while reading this Manga.

[Gojira]

So bs or no bs?

This the same interview where Kishi flat out says Sakura still loves Sasuke and is just worried about Naruto?

Edited by Pepsi, 17 June 2014 - 07:00 PM.

[Chatte]

Wow.. and this was the place supposed to be a "safe" Heaven?!.. Meh, anyway, I won't even interfere cause I'll do it for nothing. People nowadays are all just into their own ideas so why bother explaining stuff...

[JILLNYN]

Pepsi forgot Kakashi words?

 

^ The same interview that is a picture at that moment several years where she still had feelings for Sasuke but Naruto is very close to her heart.

^ The same interview where Kishimoto said that Sakura seemed an honest woman and very stubborn

^ The same interview where Kishimoto says that Hinata fans are loud and Sakura is the true heroine ...

I don't know if Kishimoto defend confession but I can see that he defends Sakura and he said that he will work to be of Sakura a heroine ...


I taught the raw interview that my friend who is studying Japanese and told me that the translation is correct.

and if we taking that interview as an argument, now I think that not serve us because was several years ago and many have passed and I think what matters most is the manga and the words of Kakashi on how her have changed the feelings of Sakura makes a few chapters

[Chatte]

Even with the words from that interview... I, personally explained it in the context of the manga around the forum several times until I got tired. It's just that some people simply don't get past their own interpretation so then,why bother explaining again and again and again?

Edited by Chatte, 17 June 2014 - 09:05 PM.

[FireFox]

Wow.. and this was the place supposed to be a "safe" Heaven?!.. Meh, anyway, I won't even interfere cause I'll do it for nothing. People nowadays are all just into their own ideas so why bother explaining stuff...

Meh it hasn't been that for a very long time  people now days tend to jump to conclusion to easily and disregard any future evidence  and events like what's happening now in the manga . I find it very ironic that our greatest enemy isn't the NH & SS  (they can't even touch us ) but ourselves the NS's or should i say a portion of it  its sad but its true .

[Luna]

39438433245345 chapters later and we still stuck on 540. I mean COME ON!

[Illnevergiveup3]

540 ain't no threat but I can see why some people is bothered by it , Kishi shouldn't have showed Sasuke period in her thoughts and then if could have left readers thinking , "Naruto or Sasuke? Who is she thinking about?"

[JILLNYN]

Meh it hasn't been that for a very long time  people now days tend to jump to conclusion to easily and disregard any future evidence  and events like what's happening now in the manga . I find it very ironic that our greatest enemy isn't the NH & SS  (they can't even touch us ) but ourselves the NS's or should i say a portion of it  its sad but its true .

 

 

Just Pepsi confusion expands , actually although we all have different opinions but they are never on that level of confusion, I think that he need to read more carefully the manga and not enter in paronia xD well I think  that he has a lot to learn about women, we are more complicated than he imagines.

We all wanted to help Pepsi but he not cares to read the suspicious seems get his mind locked, only Kishimoto is able to remove the uncertainty in the next chapters but as I see Pepsi may never change his mind, I think it has been manipulated by external reviews, and that leaves not quiet

I also think this forum is a great place to express all that we love this paring and atmosphere of these past two weeks has been affected by very personal opinions that down our mood, but do not let that affect us all, actually I see the manga on the right track so far, and the last chapters I liked a lot.

[Gojira]

39438433245345 chapters later and we still stuck on 540. I mean COME ON!

It's the biggest problem and it's one that's not even against NS on top of that it's contradicting and makes Sakura's NS moments less impactful up until that point, it sure doesn't make her confession look very genuine either.

[Illnevergiveup3]

It's the biggest problem and it's one that's not even against NS on top of that it's contradicting and makes Sakura's NS moments less impactful up until that point, it sure doesn't make her confession look very genuine either.

I think you need to cut down on the Pepsi and start drinking more Sprite . Sprite show you the real kitten . Sprite makes you see underneath the underneath .

Edited by Illnevergiveup3, 17 June 2014 - 10:06 PM.

[AHK]

The one that almost every NS fan uses to validate the confession. It's tiring really.

 

Sorry, I'm still lost...Kishi gave an interview about NS at some point?

Even with the words from that interview... I, personally explained it in the context of the manga around the forum several times until I got tired. It's just that some people simply don't get past their own interpretation so then,why bother explaining again and again and again?

Once I find out what this interview is, would you mind linking me what you had to say (if it's not any trouble, of course)? I find that your posts/theories are really enjoyable to read, I loved your take on the symbol on Naruto's shirt and how it related to Sakura and stuff.