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[AlessaFiona]

In just one Chapter Sakura went from being one of the strongest Females in Anime and Manga....to freakin' Bella Swan from Twilight.

LOL

[ramenanmitsu]

The reason you cant stop reading Naruto is because:
Its one of your childhood memories (as it is mine)... that its still ongoing.. and you CANT skip over it.. since you know its not over and it hasnt reached a conclusion.
You will always be like... Naruto.. what has happened to him..??
 
Now about kishi's writing i completely agree.. BUT he has been writing this manga for over 10 years..
Its hard to imagine that... the creativety he had before 10 years, is the same he has now....(and hes also not that 20 year old writer anymore.. hes about 30-35..)
 
And also think about that: Hasnt he get bored of this manga? Even a little bit? And is like:"Well... a couple of chapters more and im finally over with it..."
 
I understand what you feel... but you must also see the perspective of the writer...
he has a family to take care of... he cant just think about Naruto all the time.. and neither things like Sakura said before 2 years...
Thats too much...

Yeah I understand that. That's why I'm always saying he really needs a break. It's hard to constantly keep that creativity. I pity him AND I'm disappointed in him at the same time.

So what are you really saying? "He's living a hard life so don't complain about the kitten he's writing?" When I'm reading a story, looking at a piece of art or watching a movie, I don't consider about the backstory of the people who created it to give judgement. That really isn't the concern of a consumer or customer. If the actor acted terrible in a movie, I'll say the acting was terrible without trying to consider that he might've suffered from diarrhea at the time.

[shisui]

 

But the subject we've been discussing is Sakura's blind and self-destructive devotion to Sasuke, so that's the incremental growth to which I was referring -- her incremental growth away from her romantic dependency on Sasuke.

 

I am aware that her growth in other areas has not been affected by this chapter.

 

It's not self-destructive. Naruto's feelings for Sasuke are exactly the same, if not worse, and he is the hero of this manga.

 

 

But google the part of your theory we rejected is Sasuke loving Sakura, the other part about Sakura choosing Naruto over a good Sasuke is nothing new. I still don't think Sasuke has any romantic feelings for Sakura and I don't see Kishi letting one of his main character with unrequited feelings, Kishi wants his happy ending as forced as it is.

 

Oh wait for it, its coming.

 

@GoogleIsMyFriend

I dunno whether you'd read this post but setting our quarrels we had before, aside for the time being, let me ask you this. This comes as a genuine question and not a mockery towards your predictions.

Okay, let's take into account your fact of matter that for Sakura to choose Naruto against Sasuke, Sasuke needs to get redeemed. Agreed here. Sasuke turns to the good side in future, agreed here as well. But, why does Sakura have to keep loving Sasuke and how come she has to 'choose' between Naruto and Sasuke that too on 'EQUAL GROUNDS' when one of them has given her nothing but warmth, care, affection, support, selflessness, sacrifice and the other has given her nothing but pain. She hasn't been in contact with Sasuke for what? Like 4 years at the very least in the manga? And even then, her crush on Sasuke was superficial. What makes so hard to move on from her superficial crush which gives her nothing but pain? What makes her cling on to Sasuke and still have feelings for him which she goes as far to call them love when there were 3 straight murder attempts, emotional tormentation, morale break down, confidance devastation and what not?

On the other hand...I need not tell you how Naruto has been with her.

My question is, why does she have to choose between Naruto and Sasuke on 'EQUAL GROUNDS' when there were no grounds to choose from? The choice should be as clear as hell. If Sasuke had done what Naruto had done and Naruto did the same yet something different and both of them being considerate towards her, then I understand choosing them on equal grounds. But when one has treated her so badly why does she have to have a doubt and choose between both of them? I dunno if I put in the right words...but I think you get the gist of it. Sasuke actually having feelings for and then Sakura having a difficulty between Naruto and Sasuke? Why does this have to happen? Sasuke having feelings for Sakura overnight after hating here for 99% of the series doesn't sound plausible, atleast to me. No doubt she'll choose Naruto but what message will an end like this convey? That treat the girl worse than kitten and still she'd have feelings for you? Is this right?

Now my opinion is that.....she should actually not have to choose between Naruto and Sasuke that too on equal grounds when there are no equal grounds for that. I see no reason why she should hold on to Sasuke and actually see him as equal to Naruto and then choose between them. The choosing factor shouldn't come into play when one has treated her in the worst way possible and the other has supported her and kept her nothing but happy and cheerful all his life. Are you getting what I want to say?

 

I will answer your questions.

 

Sakura has to keep loving Sasuke because that's their original bond, much like Naruto thinks that Sasuke is his best friend, yet we all know that his real best friend is Gaara or even Shikamaru. It doesn't matter if four years have passed and a lot of things happened. Naruto said because Sasuke was his friend. Sakura said because she loves him.

 

Sakura cannot have shallow feelings at this point, hell she couldn't have them for the majority of part 2. If that was true, then Sakura would be a moron and Naruto would look like no medal, let alone silver medal. He couldn't win Sakura even though her feelings were shallow. Plus, Naruto always worked hard at things. How bad would it made him look, if Sakura's feelings were that easy to gain and yet he failed?

 

I agree the choice is easy, but the choice should only happen once they are on equal grounds, otherwise Naruto didn't really win her by being a nice guy, but because Sasuke was a bad guy. Sasuke doesn't hate Sakura, he never said so, and he didn't begin in this chapter. Remember how Sasuke said Sakura was a comrade once, how he's always lying about his intentions, and how Itachi treated him like trash even though he was fond of him.

 

You're asking these questions, but I already answered them.

 

 

@google
I disagree with your "sasuke will love sakura back", back then.

 

A lot did. However, you will soon have to accept it.

Edited by GoogleIsMyFriend, 27 September 2014 - 08:30 AM.

[Sakura~]

If NaruSaku happens, I don't want Naruto to be a substitute ... Kishi must find a way to make it work.

[*- ZerΩ -*]

Yeah I understand that. That's why I'm always saying he really needs a break. It's hard to constantly keep that creativity. I pity him AND I'm disappointed in him at the same time.

So what are you really saying? "He's living a hard life so don't complain about the kitten he's writing?" When I'm reading a story, looking at a piece of art or watching a movie, I don't consider about the backstory of the people who created it to give judgement. That really isn't the concern of a consumer or customer. If the actor acted terrible in a movie, I'll say the acting was terrible without trying to consider that he might've suffered from diarrhea at the time.

No im saying that unlike an actor who works every time... he has a job offered

(which can be 1 or 2 in 2 years..unless you are hugh jackman who has work constantly)

and his deadline is ~1 year...

And an freetime artist who works whenever he can and is in the mood to do so.. without  deadline...

Kishimoto has been working constantly... every day...for 10 years with a deadline of 7 days...

if you know what i mean...

[narusaku256]

 
It's not self-destructive. Naruto's feelings for Sasuke are exactly the same, if not worse, and he is the hero of this manga.
 
 
 
Oh wait for it, its coming.
 
 
I will answer your questions.
 
Sakura has to keep loving Sasuke because that's their original bond, much like Naruto thinks that Sasuke is his best friend, yet we all know that his real best friend is Gaara or even Shikamaru. It doesn't matter if four years have passed and a lot of things happened. Naruto said because Sasuke was his friend. Sakura said because she loves him.
 
Sakura cannot have shallow feelings at this point, hell she couldn't have them for the majority of part 2. If that was true, then Sakura would be a moron and Naruto would look like no medal, let alone silver medal. He couldn't win Sakura even though her feelings were shallow. Plus, Naruto always worked hard at things. How bad would it made him look, if Sakura's feelings were that easy to gain and yet he failed?
 
I agree the choice is easy, but the choice should only happen once they are on equal grounds, otherwise Naruto didn't really win her by being a nice guy, but because Sasuke was a bad guy. Sasuke doesn't hate Sakura, he never said so, and he didn't begin in this chapter. Remember how Sasuke said Sakura was a comrade once, how he's always lying about his intentions, and how Itachi treated him like trash even though he was fond of him.
 
You're asking these questions, but I already answered them.
 
 
 
A lot did. However, you will soon have to accept it.

But what Sasuke is doing to her....is it not enough to show that he hates her? And I agree with you that Sakura's cannot be shallow at this point. But what are her reasons for having the feelings for Sasuke and going as far as to call them love? The feelings might not be shallow but the reasons behind them are, right? It is just that pointless childhood crush which was based on superficial stuff. Sasuke said it himself that even he....doesn't know what Sakura likes in him.

I guarantee that if I ask Sakura now 'What does she like in Sasuke?' or 'What are your reasons for loving Sasuke?' she'd get sad and won't really have an answer but just...'I love him...' but if the same question I am supposed to ask her after she realises her feelings for Naruto, she'd have that bright, mesmerising golden smile on her face and that tinge of red on her cheeks and she'd blush and tell many reasons and the list really would be long. Then Kishi making Sakura love Sasuke, despite what he's done to her....is pointless and harms her charactet real bad, right?

[ramenanmitsu]

No im saying that unlike an actor who works every time... he has a job offered
(which can be 1 or 2 in 2 years..unless you are hugh jackman who has work constantly)
and his deadline is ~1 year...
And an freetime artist who works whenever he can and is in the mood to do so.. without  deadline...
Kishimoto has been working constantly... every day...for 10 years with a deadline of 7 days...
if you know what i mean...

I understand what you mean. But like I said worrying about his well being which we don't even know if there's any problem is not my job nor duty. I'm a reader only.

[六道仙人]

I understand what you mean. But like I said worrying about his well being which we don't even know if there's any problem is not my job nor duty. I'm a reader only.

 

I suggest to protest about hin in a civil manner with someone... like that one who is one of kishimoto's assistants on twitter via PM

Edited by 六道仙人, 27 September 2014 - 09:08 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

It's funny how things turned out like this...not just for NS, but for a lot of things. Although I still have to laugh when some people are saying that "Sauske is so innocent and truly loves Sakura because he doesn't want her to be apart of the gruesome battle of him and Naruto."

[六道仙人]

james, have you lost you hopes with NS at this rate? honestly speaking...

[narusaku256]

The moment James loses hope in NS, that is the time when I'll truly believe that NS is really not possible and Kishi banged it pretty hard....

Edited by narusaku256, 27 September 2014 - 09:29 AM.

[FireFox]

Going to be honest. I think NaruSaku at this point is unlikely. Kishi wouldn't go this direction at all if he planned on Sakura turning Naruto's way.  He completely made Sakura dependent on Sasuke and love sick. Through Kakashi he's reinforcing that her feelings are something special and deeep~ that should be considered and respected.

I don't expect him to rewind this in what, 10 to 20 chapters. It's just too steep a development.

The problem is even if NS happen it will not be good but rather forced bc all the development they had was just kitten on in this chap . The fact of the matter is even if NS happens it will look so unconvincing bc all this time Kishimoto has been presenting Sakura's feelings for Sasuke as divine and very strong like you say as something special and deep  her feelings for Naruto pale in comparison for Sasuke bc of this and this is why Naruto will look like silver medal no matter what happens even if Sasuke is back and she choose  bc its given much more romantic focus of her feelings for Sasuke then it ever was for Naruto and it comes as her feelings for Sasuke are much stronger  and this is not how you write romance if NS is your endgame.

 

Not to mention that she did a confession in front of Naruto  this is just disgusting and unacceptable it makes Naruto like the biggest idiot in the world  and NS as a joke .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 27 September 2014 - 09:34 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

james, have you lost you hopes with NS at this rate? honestly speaking...

 

The moment James loses hope in NS, that is the time when I'll truly believe that NS is really not possible and Kishi banged it pretty hard....

lol. No. My faith in NS is still intact. Admittedly, I was confused and upset by this chapter, but really thinking about it this all seems like a huge dramatic effect. Albeit I believe a pointless dramatic effect, but a dramatic effect at that. I will say that I feel Kishimoto really screwed up this part of the story though and there are many parts where it could have been written far better than this and every character could have been treated much better. I am even upset at how he has treated Hinata too.

I am just laughing at how the situation has occured and laughing even harder at some of the fandoms who refuse to admit things more than we apparently do. I know some here are like "Accept Sakura still loves Sasuke because that is the truth." I think what is worse is how some fans still believe to this very moment that Sasuke is actually a good guy and did all these "bad things" all for the sake of protecting Sakura. I wish I was lying, but this entire thing has them truly seeing Sasuke as this emotion fueled guy who is truly in love with Sakura and that he is just afraid to love again only to lose it. He is basically just "acting out" according to them.

This chapter basically has Sasuke mocking those very people and they still deny every bit of it.

Maybe I finally get the joke all this time.

 

Edited by James S Cassidy, 27 September 2014 - 09:47 AM.

[六道仙人]

I am still thinking about... Why did Kishimoto take out the promise of lifetime here? If from Sakura's POV, it was gone but the promise is confirmed to being still valid for Naruto (as we just thought). But why? Is he trying to make Sakura happy by bringing her back Sasuke? Or is he just doing it for other reasons? Perhaps for personal reasons due to the fact that he cannot confess to her if he can't be able to make her happy by not keeping a promise?

I don't know, it must have a purpose this whole thing...

[James S Cassidy]

I am still thinking about... Why did Kishimoto take out the promise of lifetime here? If from Sakura's POV, it was gone but the promise is confirmed to being still valid for Naruto (as we just thought). But why? Is he trying to make Sakura happy by bringing her back Sasuke? Or is he just doing it for other reasons? Perhaps for personal reasons due to the fact that he cannot confess to her if he can't be able to make her happy by not keeping a promise?

I don't know, it must have a purpose this whole thing...

I am still questioning why he brought up the promise at all when he specifically said to Sakura during the confession that it wasn't about the promise anymore...

This is one reason why i cannot accept this as the end of NS. This just raised so many questions and contradicting so much that Kishimoto established that there has to be more to it than this...something isn't as it seems and we are meant to be tricked by this....

We know Kishimoto is a playful trickster when it comes to writing

Edited by James S Cassidy, 27 September 2014 - 10:03 AM.

[Hiraishin]

I am still thinking about... Why did Kishimoto take out the promise of lifetime here? If from Sakura's POV, it was gone but the promise is confirmed to being still valid for Naruto (as we just thought). But why? Is he trying to make Sakura happy by bringing her back Sasuke? Or is he just doing it for other reasons? Perhaps for personal reasons due to the fact that he cannot confess to her if he can't be able to make her happy by not keeping a promise?

I don't know, it must have a purpose this whole thing...

Because he never goes back on his word, because that's his ninja way.

Edited by Hiraishin, 27 September 2014 - 10:03 AM.

[FireFox]

I am still thinking about... Why did Kishimoto take out the promise of lifetime here? If from Sakura's POV, it was gone but the promise is confirmed to being still valid for Naruto (as we just thought). But why? Is he trying to make Sakura happy by bringing her back Sasuke? Or is he just doing it for other reasons? Perhaps for personal reasons due to the fact that he cannot confess to her if he can't be able to make her happy by not keeping a promise?

I don't know, it must have a purpose this whole thing...

 

Judging by what he heard from Sakura's ridiculous confession I would say its bc he's trying to make Sakura happy by bringing her back Sasuke .

[James S Cassidy]

 

Judging by what he heard from Sakura's ridiculous confession I would say its bc he's trying to make Sakura happy by bringing her back Sasuke .

Which implies he really doesn't care about Sasuke at all and is only doing it to impress Sakura....doesn't seem right, does it?

[FireFox]

I am still questioning why he brought up the promise at all when he specifically said to Sakura during the confession that it wasn't about the promise anymore...

This is one reason why i cannot accept this as the end of NS. This just raised so many questions and contradicting so much that Kishimoto established that there has to be more to it than this...something isn't as it seems and we are meant to be tricked by this....

We know Kishimoto is a playful trickster when it comes to writing

Which implies he really doesn't care about Sasuke at all and is only doing it to impress Sakura....doesn't seem right, does it?

 

James he never said that his promise doesn't matter only that the promise is not the only reason for why he wants to bring Sasuke back .

In short even if the promise didn't existed he would have still go after Sasuke but that doesn't mean that his promise to her doesn't matter the promise was only for her to reassure her  to comfort her .

 

It can go both ways he's doing it for Sakura and T7 for both of them.

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 27 September 2014 - 10:10 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

 

James he never said that his promise doesn't matter only that the promise is not the only reason for why he wants to bring Sasuke back .

In short even if the promise didn't existed he would have still go after Sasuke but that doesn't mean that his promise to her doesn't matter the promise was only for her to reassure her  to comfort her .

 

It can go both ways he's doing it for Sakura and T7 for both of them.

 

Except the entire point of Sakura's confession was to release Naruto of that promise because Sai said to Sakura it was a heavy burden on him. After all that was said and done, Kakashi said "It seems a great burden has been lifted from him." This is even FURTHER backed by the memory of Sai asking Naruto why doesn't he just tell Sakura how he felt? To which Naruto responds: "How can I when I can't even keep my promises?"

You can't eat your cake and still have it.

And Naruto did say it was no longer about the promise. Look
http://www.mangapand...hapter-470.html

Edited by James S Cassidy, 27 September 2014 - 10:21 AM.