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[HauntedCake]

I think all of the chapters of the current volume is going to be about Team 7 in general, and at the end of the last chapter of this volume, Kishi will switch back to Obito and Kakashi.

 

And I think Sakura will show us more of her power for sure. This chapter was like the intro of her seal.

I wonder what the cliffhanger will be at the end of this team 7 volume? Sasuke going douchebag emo mode?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think all of the chapters of the current volume is going to be about Team 7 in general, and at the end of the last chapter of this volume, Kishi will switch back to Obito and Kakashi.
 
And I think Sakura will show us more of her power for sure. This chapter was like the intro of her seal.

What's odd is that Kakashi and Obito would actually last long in their battle for 5 chapters later. I can't help but think we will get a result on who won. Kakashi is not chakra master storage, so if he keeps doing high level, he will lose. Unless Kakashi plays smart which I can see that. I do think like Madara with waiting for real Hashirama, Kakashi is a placeholder for Obito. I mean he has rinnengan, Hashirama's attacks, etc, so hard to believe he would lose. The worst case is him losing off-paneled.

[T XD]

I wonder what the cliffhanger will be at the end of this team 7 volume? Sasuke going douchebag emo mode?

The Juubi have one last transformation, right ? So, next volume can be about about Team 7 and others fighting it, or it's the turn of Madara, though, it seems that Hashirama will handle him the most, or when the Juubi transforms into his last one, Madara and the Juubi will fight against their opponents at the same time.

 

What's odd is that Kakashi and Obito would actually last long in their battle for 5 chapters later. I can't help but think we will get a result on who won. Kakashi is not chakra master storage, so if he keeps doing high level, he will lose. Unless Kakashi plays smart which I can see that. I do think like Madara with waiting for real Hashirama, Kakashi is a placeholder for Obito. I mean he has rinnengan, Hashirama's attacks, etc, so hard to believe he would lose. The worst case is him losing off-paneled.

Kishi will probably make some chapters about them like three chapters. I actually thought before about Kakashi or Obito losing off-panel, but would Kishi make such a fight not to be shown ? Somewhat, I don't think so.

Edited by T XD, 03 June 2013 - 05:31 PM.

[HauntedCake]

The Juubi have one last transformation, right ? So, next volume can be about about Team 7 and others fighting it, or it's the turn of Madara, though, it seems that Hashirama will handle him the most, or when the Juubi transforms into his last one, Madara and the Juubi will fight against their opponents at the same time.

Yeah, Juubi goes godmode V2 new and improved with WMD'S

[T XD]

Yeah, Juubi goes godmode V2 new and improved with WMD'S

What's WMD ? XD

[HauntedCake]

What's WMD ? XD

Weapon of Mass Destruction(s)

[T XD]

Weapon of Mass Destruction(s)

How did you think I will understand three letters to be those words ?

 

Of course, the Juubi will have WMD XD

[megi]

So there's a prediction that Obito vs Kakashi is happening off-panel right now, and the next time we see them will be the defeat of one or the other? At least I don't think Kakashi will be killed just yet.

And it just might change scales of the battle one more time!

[TouKen4Life3g]

The Juubi have one last transformation, right ? So, next volume can be about about Team 7 and others fighting it, or it's the turn of Madara, though, it seems that Hashirama will handle him the most, or when the Juubi transforms into his last one, Madara and the Juubi will fight against their opponents at the same time.
 
Kishi will probably make some chapters about them like three chapters. I actually thought before about Kakashi or Obito losing off-panel, but would Kishi make such a fight not to be shown ? Somewhat, I don't think so.

You do know that the last transformation means game over for everyone, right? It's like when Cell decided to self destruct, there's no more hope, until teleportation which in this case won't work. That's why they are incredibly hasting to kill it before it change to the final form. Kuruma, Hachi, and the villains said that it's all over when Juubi transforms. The best thing to do is become a Jinchuuriki. So yeah, I do wonder.

I thought Obito was like a boss material, where they fight and show off their skills, as well as bringing their trump card. It's the Shounen formula that a villain must show their best move before death. That said I don't know what's going with Obito/Kakashi but it's hard to imagine that he loses off-panel or don't demonstrate his feat. I mean it can happen but it feels unsatisfying. Well who knows. We got 5 chapters in and we'll see where we go from there. Maybe we will see them battling again. Maybe Madara do fight. We'll see.

[T XD]

So there's a prediction that Obito vs Kakashi is happening off-panel right now, and the next time we see them will be the defeat of one or the other? At least I don't think Kakashi will be killed just yet.

And it just might change scales of the battle one more time!

If Kakashi will be defeated, I don't think he'll be killed. More like injured badly, or killed and will be revived. Kakashi being dead for me has passed its chances.

[TouKen4Life3g]

If Kakashi will be defeated, I don't think he'll be killed. More like injured badly, or killed and will be revived. Kakashi being dead for me has passed its chances.

Same here. But you know, that could be more exciting because Kakashi is the key to defeat Obito since that's how Naruto hit him. Now without Kamui, it could be interesting to see how they can defeat him.

[T XD]

You do know that the last transformation means game over for everyone, right? It's like when Cell decided to self destruct, there's no more hope, until teleportation which in this case won't work. That's why they are incredibly hasting to kill it before it change to the final form. Kuruma, Hachi, and the villains said that it's all over when Juubi transforms. The best thing to do is become a Jinchuuriki. So yeah, I do wonder.

I thought Obito was like a boss material, where they fight and show off their skills, as well as bringing their trump card. It's the Shounen formula that a villain must show their best move before death. That said I don't know what's going with Obito/Kakashi but it's hard to imagine that he loses off-panel or don't demonstrate his feat. I mean it can happen but it feels unsatisfying. Well who knows. We got 5 chapters in and we'll see where we go from there. Maybe we will see them battling again. Maybe Madara do fight. We'll see.

But, I know from other stories that having something ahead that could be dangerous will eventually happen. It's like when the characters having their nightmare come true when you see at the end of a chapter, the person or monster threatening them came to its powerful form. Though, Kishi could have said it and he doesn't want the Juubi to transform again, so he's making the characters race the time. So, yeah.

 

You're right about the Shounen formula. It makes me think more that we'll see Obito fighting. But, the situation now between him and Kakashi doesn't seem intense like they'll fight. It's more like something will trigger them to fight.

[TrueSacrifice]

I really don't know what the big deal is with so many people that Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke. I thought we'd already established that this is the case. If it's because you think she doesn't have feelings for Naruto as well because of that or places Sasuke above him I think you're dead wrong. This is why I didn't have any problems at all with the so-called blush in this chapter. Even if she did blush what does it prove? Some people here seem to be so paranoid and terrified of Sakura and Sasuke interacting in any manner let alone romantically.

 

As I posted way earlier in this thread I suspected that the SasuSaku shippers would see this chapter in a good light and I was right. That's okay. Let them have their fun and their moments. If they think a "heh" from Sasuke at seeing Sakura's power indicates romantic interest let them. If they think Sakura exclaiming "Sasuke-kun!" means she only thinks of him romantically let them. If they think when Sasuke is saying "Stay out of my way Naruto" he means winning Sakura's affection, let them.  I expect there's going to be more where that came from and possibly even worse so we should really stop sweating the small stuff here and letting other people's views ruin our enjoyment of the story. 

 

I'll be honest. There was only one time that I was actually fearful that NaruSaku might not happen and that was in the wake of ch. 615. It wasn't because of the moment itself it was because Sakura had had so little interaction with Naruto for so long and shortly thereafter it was revealed that Sasuke would be joining the battlefield. Also the case of a few misread lines (or possibly mistranslated) in Naruto and Hinata's interaction caused me to doubt. I still had faith that Kishimoto would resolve the relationship properly but doubt was definitely there.

 

Chapters 630 and 631 erased any doubt at all. Sakura expressed concern for Naruto, Naruto confirmed his feelings for her hadn't changed, and she reacted remarkably well to Sasuke's arrival. Not to mention Sasuke hasn't suddenly had latent love bloom in his heart for Sakura. He didn't even apologize to her. The Sakura Kushina parallel confirmation was simply a bonus.

 

I'm just enjoying the chapters as they come and rolling with the flow of the story. Not everything is going to happen the way we want it to whether we like that or not. I have faith in the story and the development of the characters up to this point and try not to get too caught up in little details.

Edited by TrueSacrifice, 03 June 2013 - 06:06 PM.

[Don-kun]

 

 

 

I didn't. The context of my post was referring to Sakura's possible misunderstanding of romance being  equatable exclusively to acknowledgement or understanding.

The focus of my post is Kishi not doing anything that would taint the view of her character by still having her hoping that there is a chance to them go to Naruto because her role says so.

 

 

That has always been one of Sakura's inherent flaws back in P1. She confuses the previously stated objectives with a desire to love and it's her coming to understand that she is capable of providing those things without the necessitating of a romantic relationship. Well, that's my opinion on the matter at least.

 

That's me saying that Kishi should be able to show Sakura's growth and desire to help a frien with out regresing her character is a sign of how mature she become.

 

The matter doesn't involve reciprocation from Sasuke, it's Sakura coming to understand who she truly loves whilst removing the frivolous reasoning that first drew her to him like his appearance or indifferent personality and focusing on qualities that actually hold meaning for Sakura being concerned about him. The realization of her desire for acknowledgement and wanting to provide some amount of happiness in his life as part of his "new family" in Team 7 not being interconnected with romance is just a possible means to an end which is obviously a very contentious issue itself.

 

I feel that for both Naruto and Sakura they should be able to separate their desire to be acknowledge by Sasuke and be more proud of what the become by accepting acknowledgement from everyone else, that another great sign of maturity.

 

Were any of those characters ever attempting to pursue a romantic relationship with Sasuke in their lives? Did they have intimate feelings or aspirations relating to him? That's what separates Sakura's situation from theirs.

 

That's my point why is it that the only way we can relate Sakura and Sasuke relationship through her feelings? Why can she relate to him with a different approach?
 

 

 

Because whether we support it or not her "love" for him is still existent. If there was no resolution to her feelings, no comprehension that she can achieve her goals relating to Sasuke such as acknowledgement (that being one of the founding principles to her pursuing him in early P1), then would NaruSaku really and truly have succeeded without any imperfections inhibiting it? An initial misplacing of her ambitions with love could potentially kill both birds and the eventual development to separate the two, essentially leaving just trivial elements like physical appearance which Sakura would come to understand is not everything that should be sought for in a companion, figuratively speaking. But I do acknowledge that that idea has flaws to itself and it probably will not happen.

 

Because of her feelings Sakura said that she wanted to be acknowledge by him and she was serious about him, but since F. O. D. Sakura wanted to have both of her teammate to watch her back AKA acknowledge her, she wanted to prove herself to both of her teammate and she wants to protect them both, so is not about whether we like it or not, Sakura character after chapter three as never focus on her wanting to be acknowledge by Sasuke is more to be acknowledge by both of her teammate. I'm pretty surre that after Naruto determination it was highlighted that she wanted to do things but but of her teammate.

 

I would agree that this romantic infatuation should have been concluded the moment Sasuke chose his vengeful ambitions over her but unfortunately Kishi seems to be perpetuating the situation for whatever reason. It's obvious that Naruto has since become a very attractive person in Sakura's eyes, not just physically but emotionally as well, and even if Naruto's intentions like during the hand holding scene of chapter 615 were partially romantic in nature I would still believe that Sakura would continue to love him regardless of who he chose to be with.

 

Wrong Sakura should no be completely over Sasuke since there is nothing wrong with her feeling that way before he try to kill her, anyway what I was trying to say is that this was the moment that told me SS would not be a pairing, you don't abandon someone who truly cares about you for selfish desire and then come back and claim her as if nothing ever happen and worst after trying to kill her without any hesitation.

I believe Kishi choose to keep Sakura that way so when the moment arrives she would choose Naruto because she truly loves him, not because Sasuke was bad, doesn't love her or he died.

 

Let me just reiterate that the suggestion is only supposed to be a means to an end. An unlikely one at that but something to try and expedite the death of SS whilst providing Sakura with a more convincing means to her character development of maintaining what element of selfless concern she holds for Sasuke's well being but differentiating it from romantic sentiment. 

 

That was my point from the start, if Sasuke shows them that he is really sorry for all the things he made them went through and shows a desire in wanting to make for all thing he did somehow who knows even believing that he is the only one who can truly make Sakura happy since she really liked him, them this would be a great chance for Kishimoto to introduce a grown up Sakura, the Sakura who was finally able to get Sasuke to look her way but because she discover true love she was able to thank him to let him and her romantic affection for him go.

 

 

[T XD]

Same here. But you know, that could be more exciting because Kakashi is the key to defeat Obito since that's how Naruto hit him. Now without Kamui, it could be interesting to see how they can defeat him.

Yup, and there's a possibility in my head that both of them will return to the battlefield safe, and Obito being again with Madara and Kakashi with the other group. Don't know how supposedly, but that possibility is from the situation that they're in now... Not hyped up enough.

 

Another thing because I believe Obito will die in the battlefield.

Edited by T XD, 03 June 2013 - 06:05 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

But, I know from other stories that having something ahead that could be dangerous will eventually happen. It's like when the characters having their nightmare come true when you see at the end of a chapter, the person or monster threatening them came to its powerful form. Though, Kishi could have said it and he doesn't want the Juubi to transform again, so he's making the characters race the time. So, yeah.
 
You're right about the Shounen formula. It makes me think more that we'll see Obito fighting. But, the situation now between him and Kakashi doesn't seem intense like they'll fight. It's more like something will trigger them to fight.

Which is why some have said Sasuke is planning to take Juubi for himself if Juubi goes to final form. It's one way to stop the terror but also bring a new one. Honestly, that would be a nice twist and continues the idea of "both of us will die". I think Kishi is not going back on that quote, but we just have to see how the buildup to that final battle will be about.

Well, Kakashi was getting his Raikiri ready before the chapter ended, so yeah, pretty much they are fighting now. That's the problem. It's happening off-paneled. What leads me to think that these two, Madara and Obito, are hold for next volume and their excuses are shown. Madara is too arrogant and cocky to wait for Hashirama, while Obito is fighting Kakashi, who he tried to persuade him that his world is the best. If we don't get any focus of them in like 2-3 chapters left, then yeah, they're definitely for next volume.

[HauntedCake]

 

Wrong Sakura should no be completely over Sasuke since there is nothing wrong with her feeling that way before he try to kill her, anyway what I was trying to say is that this was the moment that told me SS would not be a pairing, you don't abandon someone who truly cares about you for selfish desire and then come back and claim her as if nothing ever happen and worst after trying to kill her without any hesitation.

I believe Kishi choose to keep Sakura that way so when the moment arrives she would choose Naruto because she truly loves him, not because Sasuke was bad, doesn't love her or he died.

Sakura needs to be romantically over Sasuke, most importantly because Sasuke is extremely unstable and dangerous and for her to have feelings like that for Sasuke, especially after the murder attempts would end up getting her killed.

 

She can love him as a brother/team member (care for him) but not romantically to the point she will chase after him potentially putting her life at risk due to Sasuke's instability

[Atheck]

The focus of my post is Kishi not doing anything that would taint the view of her character by still having her hoping that there is a chance to them go to Naruto because her role says so.

 

That's me saying that Kishi should be able to show Sakura's growth and desire to help a frien with out regresing her character is a sign of how mature she become.

 

 

Well the focus of her character from what I understand is that she is intended to be a "realistic" girl with a misguided understanding of what love is. Developing Sakura's character would consistently involve overcoming that misunderstanding, would it not? She's clearly displayed the ability to love someone for selfless reasons but when the issue of Sasuke is presented there is always that impediment to her emotions that's presented. I don't know about you but I want Kishi to address everything that was ever established in the manga including her feelings Sasuke in P1.

 

 

I feel that for both Naruto and Sakura they should be able to separate their desire to be acknowledge by Sasuke and be more proud of what the become by accepting acknowledgement from everyone else, that another great sign of maturity.

 

Honestly, if it were my decision I would have emphasized Sakura's attempt at removing Sasuke from her heart during the Kage Summit much more and with additional focus in other arcs to make it appear more gradual. Instead of having her only claim that she no longer held any emotional value in Sasuke's life she should present more available goals to reach as you suggested here. Perhaps with a few more substantive intentions in mind to make her change in personality more convincing.

That's my point why is it that the only way we can relate Sakura and Sasuke relationship through her feelings? Why can she relate to him with a different approach?

 

I apologize for the unusual responce here. I am kind of exhausted right now due to lack of sleep. She can but the process for her coming to that conclusion could be elaborated on a bit more to not make it appear abrupt IMO.
 

 

Because of her feelings Sakura said that she wanted to be acknowledge by him and she was serious about him, but since F. O. D. Sakura wanted to have both of her teammate to watch her back AKA acknowledge her, she wanted to prove herself to both of her teammate and she wants to protect them both, so is not about whether we like it or not, Sakura character after chapter three as never focus on her wanting to be acknowledge by Sasuke is more to be acknowledge by both of her teammate. I'm pretty surre that after Naruto determination it was highlighted that she wanted to do things but but of her teammate.

 

Just because her motivations began to include others does not negate her original intention of wanting Sasuke's acknowledgement and it's not like Sasuke has verbally approved of Sakura's actions or status as a shinobi of equal footing. That particular aspect of her motivations remains unresolved.

 

Wrong Sakura should no be completely over Sasuke since there is nothing wrong with her feeling that way before he try to kill her, anyway what I was trying to say is that this was the moment that told me SS would not be a pairing, you don't abandon someone who truly cares about you for selfish desire and then come back and claim her as if nothing ever happen and worst after trying to kill her without any hesitation.

I believe Kishi choose to keep Sakura that way so when the moment arrives she would choose Naruto because she truly loves him, not because Sasuke was bad, doesn't love her or he died.

 

Oh yes, this is the mentality of a hormonal prepubescent girl who has not yet been presented with any detrimental situations to truly bring to question her "love" for Sasuke like in P2. As for your actual responce well does Sasuke have an obligation to reciprocate those feelings? He never requested for them although he shouldn't expect any positive reactions from Sakura. As previously stated, she still cares for him, whether we like it or not, and unless you want those previous romantic sentiments to be swept under the rug with little concern as the author is heavily criticized for dismissive writing practices then I believe a proper conclusion should be made, that includes directly addressing Sakura's feelings for Sasuke in the near future. 

 

 

That was my point from the start, if Sasuke shows them that he is really sorry for all the things he made them went through and shows a desire in wanting to make for all thing he did somehow who knows even believing that he is the only one who can truly make Sakura happy since she really liked him, them this would be a great chance for Kishimoto to introduce a grown up Sakura, the Sakura who was finally able to get Sasuke to look her way but because she discover true love she was able to thank him to let him and her romantic affection for him go.

 

That's perfectly acceptable, I agree. But it doesn't directly address the fact that Sakura continues to have feelings for Sasuke in a non-platonic form. It appears that there is too great of a leap in the transitioning of her intentions. We're focusing entirely on Sakura's resulting platonic ambitions relating to Sasuke without addressing how she comes to that point in her emotions which brings me back to the issue of Kishimoto's writing appearing questionable if he's unable to make a proper transition from Sakura's misconstrued romantic love for Sasuke to wanting to acquire his acknowledgement/friendship without any romantic implications.

 

 

Edited by Atheck, 03 June 2013 - 06:49 PM.

[Pink Chidori]

^{KISHI YOU BEAUTIFUL MAN!}   

You did it! You didn't let me down!

My Saku-chan is getting her chance to shine!   

SHE GOT THE DIAMOND ON HER FOREHEAD!!!!!   

CANNOT. CONTAIN. EXCITEMENT.....!!!

[TouKen4Life3g]

Man, can't wait for this "war" to be over. It's only worse that Sasuke may go heel before this arc ends or at least this baffle. So yeah guys, survive one more hurdle we almost done.