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#2141 Branden

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 08:36 PM

QUOTE (Strangelove @ Jul 7 2012, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be honest, I heard it from a very unreliable source. Is not through the internet so I don't have a website. Also If it doesn't turn out to be true, and it is an episode focused mostly on Sakura, then we have to take notice that this is Studio Pierrot...and every chance they get to push NaruHina and SasuSaku they will do it to an extreme level. I just fear if it is a recap episode, because knowing them, they will diminish Sakura's character by going all Gaga for Sasuke.

the animators are biased? how?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 11:53 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 7 2012, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the animators are biased? how?

Like he just said. Periot studios is the only reason other than her breasts Hinata is so popular. The second Periot sees an opening for NaruHina or NaruSaku he pushes it beond its border. In my opinion, Naruto should be animated by someone else who's not just going to make one character look good while making all the others look terrible. It's redicules what Periot does for Hinata, and he's the reason she has the kind of fanbase she does. Periot will do anything in his power to make Hinata look all cool and skillful when she's really not. The only word that describes Periot is biased. Granted he gives Sakura credit where she needs it. I'll bet you just about anything Perito would stop producing the anime if Hinata died.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:09 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jul 7 2012, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like he just said. Periot studios is the only reason other than her breasts Hinata is so popular. The second Periot sees an opening for NaruHina or NaruSaku he pushes it beond its border. In my opinion, Naruto should be animated by someone else who's not just going to make one character look good while making all the others look terrible. It's redicules what Periot does for Hinata, and he's the reason she has the kind of fanbase she does. Periot will do anything in his power to make Hinata look all cool and skillful when she's really not. The only word that describes Periot is biased. Granted he gives Sakura credit where she needs it. I'll bet you just about anything Perito would stop producing the anime if Hinata died.

Is this why in the anime they tried to make it look like Hinata was actually being useful against Nagato, where in actuality she just ran at him and "died"?

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:10 AM

I have question about the upcoming chapters with Taka. Karin might encounter Sasuke soon and I want to know what Sasuke & Karin might talk about after their meeting. The reason I ask this is do you think Sakura name might come up in the discussion between Sasuke & Karin.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 7 2012, 07:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is this why in the anime they tried to make it look like Hinata was actually being useful against Nagato, where in actuality she just ran at him and "died"?

That, and to make the episode longer.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:11 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 7 2012, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is this why in the anime they tried to make it look like Hinata was actually being useful against Nagato, where in actuality she just ran at him and "died"?


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:22 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jul 7 2012, 11:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like he just said. Periot studios is the only reason other than her breasts Hinata is so popular. The second Periot sees an opening for NaruHina or NaruSaku he pushes it beond its border. In my opinion, Naruto should be animated by someone else who's not just going to make one character look good while making all the others look terrible. It's redicules what Periot does for Hinata, and he's the reason she has the kind of fanbase she does. Periot will do anything in his power to make Hinata look all cool and skillful when she's really not. The only word that describes Periot is biased. Granted he gives Sakura credit where she needs it. I'll bet you just about anything Perito would stop producing the anime if Hinata died.


t's not what it deserves, pierrot studio pays well unless kishimoto wants to make his own studio, it's clearly that the anime naruto does not make an awesome proft it's the 13th or 11th anime on japan.

Idc if they will siminish but kishimoto himself did that script and i dont think she will recap the episodes we will have to see the preview first.
That why i dont like pairing wars.
Pierrot certainly does like hinata but sometimes he does fillers pro NS and other stuff
I also think that kishimoto will make NS in the end, because lately he's showing sakura in a better spotlight and trying to show her character better we cant blame kishimoto he already told in a interview that he's not good at drawing heroine's.

The fact that he's building her better probably is because if he puts NS in the end at tleast to make the blind NH and SS kids to accept it.


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:27 AM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Jul 7 2012, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
t's not what it deserves, pierrot studio pays well unless kishimoto wants to make his own studio, it's clearly that the anime naruto does not make an awesome proft it's the 13th or 11th anime on japan.

Idc if they will siminish but kishimoto himself did that script and i dont think she will recap the episodes we will have to see the preview first.
That why i dont like pairing wars.
Pierrot certainly does like hinata but sometimes he does fillers pro NS and other stuff
I also think that kishimoto will make NS in the end, because lately he's showing sakura in a better spotlight and trying to show her character better we cant blame kishimoto he already told in a interview that he's not good at drawing heroine's.

The fact that he's building her better probably is because if he puts NS in the end at tleast to make the blind NH and SS kids to accept it.

careful with that last part...


Anyways, if NS becomes canon do you think us fans will contain the spoilers or are people just going to run rampant and spam "NARUSAKU LOLOLOLOL" on every comment section, forum, and chatroom of every website that involves Naruto in any way?

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:34 AM

QUOTE (4000TMNT @ Jul 7 2012, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have question about the upcoming chapters with Taka. Karin might encounter Sasuke soon and I want to know what Sasuke & Karin might talk about after their meeting. The reason I ask this is do you think Sakura name might come up in the discussion between Sasuke & Karin.

50, 50 I say. But I don't see what it would matter. Sasuke has shown three times at the least he doesn't care for her.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:56 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jul 7 2012, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
50, 50 I say. But I don't see what it would matter. Sasuke has shown three times at the least he doesn't care for her.



Are you talking about Karin or Sakura that Sasuke doesn't care about.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:58 AM

QUOTE (Dalton (I stink at names) @ Jul 7 2012, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
50, 50 I say. But I don't see what it would matter. Sasuke has shown three times at the least he doesn't care for her.

He does care...as a team. Naruto is the only friendship that troubles him because he and Sasuke are like brothers. Whenever you see the confrontation with other team 7 members, it's like 2 lines. That's it. Then go for the kill. When it's Naruto, he goes for a speech and then fight him to seek his fate. Kishi clearly keeps showing that the only person he only listen and "care" is Naruto. Hell, even Sakura admits that Sasuke and her really never got along (part 1 confession). To add more to it, Sakura relies on Naruto because she knows that Sasuke only communicates with Naruto. She seeks for more strength to support Naruto, not going solo against Sasuke. There's a difference. Sasuke, throughout the series, only sees his team as family. Now, it may seem like he may pass it down to his new team, Taka. I don't know where the direction for Team Taka is going, but if they live to the end, Sasuke may stay with them. It's like Kishi likes to keep the team formation the same (as in 4-members squad).

So yeah, that's what I think and so does the manga.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 01:18 AM

Do you thing Karin might have a flashback with Sakura about Sasuke in the coming chapters.

Edited by 4000TMNT, 08 July 2012 - 01:19 AM.


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 01:50 AM

QUOTE (4000TMNT @ Jul 7 2012, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you thing Karin might have a flashback with Sakura about Sasuke in the coming chapters.

If anything, it might be like "You even try to kill your old friends!" Other than that, no. It may only about Sasuke and her, because he was the one that turned against her. She did everything he wanted her to do and her reward was to get killed? She won't forgive him until something happens. This could be the right time (not the perfect time), because he's in a lost world. Back then, he was psycho. Now, he needs a reminder that what he has done to her was pure wrong. Check the chapter thread to read more of my insights.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 02:13 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Jul 7 2012, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know if that is true, and I want to know where you heard it from, but I won't be disappointed if it turns out to be true. It sounds like it will be pretty much a recap episode, but through Sakura's point of view. I had a feeling it was going to be something like these. I believe that filler episode should focus on Naruto and Sakura ''relationship'', and possible through flashback establish how Sakura's opinion of Naruto has changed. But not only that, also how her opinion of Sasuke has change, and how her outlook of life has also change.

It will be interesting to see things through Sakura's perspective, though I doubt we will learn anything new or surprising. Even if it doesn't turn out to be a recap episode, I still hope it will focus on Naruto and Sakura's dynamic, reminding viewers how they work together right before the movie comes out.

At first I was like, "ugh another recap episode?" but considering that it would probably be from Sakura's perspective, it could be quite interesting. Since she already got an entire (?) episode stuck in before she faced Sasuke at the summit thinking about her feelings for him, perhaps now she can show the readers how she feels her relationship with Naruto has developed (or rather maybe how the animators feel that her relationship with Naruto has developed), along with some other things.

Seeing more of her training with Tsunade over the time skip could be interesting, or her figuring out that Naruto has the Kyuubi sealed in him too.
QUOTE (Strangelove @ Jul 7 2012, 04:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be honest, I heard it from a very unreliable source. Is not through the internet so I don't have a website. Also If it doesn't turn out to be true, and it is an episode focused mostly on Sakura, then we have to take notice that this is Studio Pierrot...and every chance they get to push NaruHina and SasuSaku they will do it to an extreme level. I just fear if it is a recap episode, because knowing them, they will diminish Sakura's character by going all Gaga for Sasuke.

That's actually not true. Exactly what filler scenes or fan service has SasuSaku gotten from the filler team? I can recall one scene in the very first Naruto movie (Sasuke lying with his head in Sakura's lap), one OP (where they're in the same shot and Sakura is crying), one ED (one shot with Sakura looking sad, while the next shot has Sasuke fighting), and two filler scenes in the anime (where the dogs made some comments about her and Sasuke; and the episode where Sakura thought back on her feelings for Sasuke - and honestly, all it did was highlight how shallow her romantic feelings for Sasuke were - "his handsome profile was enough for me").

They've /never/ shown Sasuke -> Sakura.

It may seem like the animation studio pushes NH a lot, but in actuality, it is Hinata that they are pushing, and her character just happens to be 95% about her feelings for Naruto. Notice again that aside from one (maybe two if you stretch it) filler scene (where Naruto wasn't even aware that it was Hinata he was seeing) before part two, they've likewise never shown Naruto -> Hinata.

It is NaruSaku that gets the majority of the fanservice, in OPs, EDs, omakes, and pure filler scenes. We get both Naruto -> Sakura AND Sakura -> Naruto. Naruto dreaming about kissing Sakura, them going on "dates", Sakura blushing at Naruto multiple times, Naruto talking about how he loves Sakura but would never force him to love her and that he'll keep trying to win her heart, etc. NaruSaku is definitely the /pairing/ that they are pushing, and Hinata is the /character/ that they are endorsing.
QUOTE (4000TMNT @ Jul 7 2012, 08:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have question about the upcoming chapters with Taka. Karin might encounter Sasuke soon and I want to know what Sasuke & Karin might talk about after their meeting. The reason I ask this is do you think Sakura name might come up in the discussion between Sasuke & Karin.

It's possible, but I would imagine that if Karin were to bring up anything to talk about with Sasuke at their reunion, it would be about him trying to kill her (perhaps something along the lines of "You tried to kill me you bastard! Didn't I mean anything to you? Didn't we (taka) mean anything to you?").
QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 7 2012, 08:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Anyways, if NS becomes canon do you think us fans will contain the spoilers or are people just going to run rampant and spam "NARUSAKU LOLOLOLOL" on every comment section, forum, and chatroom of every website that involves Naruto in any way?

Oh you can bet that it won't be long after any Naruto pairing becomes canon that the Naruto fandom will explode. The canon pairing will be talked about for a /long/ time in multiple places, either to be praised/celebrated, or raged about.

Sure, people can ban spoilers in certain threads, but there will sigs and pictures all over places like tumblr and pixiv and deviant art, I'm sure.

Short of burying your head in the sand and avoided all naruto tags, art sites, and forums, there's no way people aren't going to know by the end of the day if a pairing becomes canon.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 02:27 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 7 2012, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That reminds me.
Tobirama got his own genin squad. so did Sarutobi and Jiraiya and Minato and even Kakashi.

So does this mean Naruto is going to get his own team? Will we see them before the end of the series? Or perhaps in a epilogue?

I'd like to bring this back up for discussion wink.gif



And also as much I would like to get Sakura's persective on some of the events that have been happening, I also get afraid that the animators will mess it up. I hope Kishimoto has at least some say in episodes that can be very character defining.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 02:33 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Jul 7 2012, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's actually not true. Exactly what filler scenes or fan service has SasuSaku gotten from the filler team? I can recall one scene in the very first Naruto movie (Sasuke lying with his head in Sakura's lap), one OP (where they're in the same shot and Sakura is crying), one ED (one shot with Sakura looking sad, while the next shot has Sasuke fighting), and two filler scenes in the anime (where the dogs made some comments about her and Sasuke; and the episode where Sakura thought back on her feelings for Sasuke - and honestly, all it did was highlight how shallow her romantic feelings for Sasuke were - "his handsome profile was enough for me").

They've /never/ shown Sasuke -> Sakura.

It may seem like the animation studio pushes NH a lot, but in actuality, it is Hinata that they are pushing, and her character just happens to be 95% about her feelings for Naruto. Notice again that aside from one (maybe two if you stretch it) filler scene (where Naruto wasn't even aware that it was Hinata he was seeing) before part two, they've likewise never shown Naruto -> Hinata.

It is NaruSaku that gets the majority of the fanservice, in OPs, EDs, omakes, and pure filler scenes. We get both Naruto -> Sakura AND Sakura -> Naruto. Naruto dreaming about kissing Sakura, them going on "dates", Sakura blushing at Naruto multiple times, Naruto talking about how he loves Sakura but would never force him to love her and that he'll keep trying to win her heart, etc. NaruSaku is definitely the /pairing/ that they are pushing, and Hinata is the /character/ that they are endorsing.

Thank you. I actually recap myself and thought of myself, "Wow, what the hell was I thinking? There were tons of NaruSaku fanservice. More than other pairings." I can collect them and prove it is their main pairing. I mean heck, we had an episode of Naruto's love for Sakura AFTER the fiasco that is Hinata and Sakura's confession. If the studio is that confident that this pairing will be canon, that we should be fine. Not to say rely on them, but I do believe they're on our side. Actually, I recalled an interview that they did the best to keep it "faithful" to the manga, as in not changing around (ex: Naruto falling in love with Hinata). They just happened to push Hinata so much. Luckily, Naruto only compliment her in ninja skills, not as a person who he will like to romance with. The fanservice that we've gotten is so all over the place that we actually lost count. Need I to remind you the latest ova. I got it in DVD and it's still great yet couldn't believe it was the same studio that worshiped Hinata. Hell, we even have a movie that have only Hinata, Sakura, and Naruto as a group, yet no fanservice for NH.

So yeah, I do think we're safe. The victory light is getting brighter. It's only matter of time.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:25 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Jul 7 2012, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At first I was like, "ugh another recap episode?" but considering that it would probably be from Sakura's perspective, it could be quite interesting. Since she already got an entire (?) episode stuck in before she faced Sasuke at the summit thinking about her feelings for him, perhaps now she can show the readers how she feels her relationship with Naruto has developed (or rather maybe how the animators feel that her relationship with Naruto has developed), along with some other things.

Seeing more of her training with Tsunade over the time skip could be interesting, or her figuring out that Naruto has the Kyuubi sealed in him too.

That's actually not true. Exactly what filler scenes or fan service has SasuSaku gotten from the filler team? I can recall one scene in the very first Naruto movie (Sasuke lying with his head in Sakura's lap), one OP (where they're in the same shot and Sakura is crying), one ED (one shot with Sakura looking sad, while the next shot has Sasuke fighting), and two filler scenes in the anime (where the dogs made some comments about her and Sasuke; and the episode where Sakura thought back on her feelings for Sasuke - and honestly, all it did was highlight how shallow her romantic feelings for Sasuke were - "his handsome profile was enough for me").

They've /never/ shown Sasuke -> Sakura.

It may seem like the animation studio pushes NH a lot, but in actuality, it is Hinata that they are pushing, and her character just happens to be 95% about her feelings for Naruto. Notice again that aside from one (maybe two if you stretch it) filler scene (where Naruto wasn't even aware that it was Hinata he was seeing) before part two, they've likewise never shown Naruto -> Hinata.

It is NaruSaku that gets the majority of the fanservice, in OPs, EDs, omakes, and pure filler scenes. We get both Naruto -> Sakura AND Sakura -> Naruto. Naruto dreaming about kissing Sakura, them going on "dates", Sakura blushing at Naruto multiple times, Naruto talking about how he loves Sakura but would never force him to love her and that he'll keep trying to win her heart, etc. NaruSaku is definitely the /pairing/ that they are pushing, and Hinata is the /character/ that they are endorsing.

It's possible, but I would imagine that if Karin were to bring up anything to talk about with Sasuke at their reunion, it would be about him trying to kill her (perhaps something along the lines of "You tried to kill me you bastard! Didn't I mean anything to you? Didn't we (taka) mean anything to you?").
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Oh you can bet that it won't be long after any Naruto pairing becomes canon that the Naruto fandom will explode. The canon pairing will be talked about for a /long/ time in multiple places, either to be praised/celebrated, or raged about.

Sure, people can ban spoilers in certain threads, but there will sigs and pictures all over places like tumblr and pixiv and deviant art, I'm sure.

Short of burying your head in the sand and avoided all naruto tags, art sites, and forums, there's no way people aren't going to know by the end of the day if a pairing becomes canon.


I completely agree with what you said here, I do believe Hinata is just the CHARACTER they push, but not the pairing. I never believed that the animated studio was bias because I I knew that have given us A LOT of fan service, most notably episode 235. Not only that, the recent Rock Lee show has given us many Narusaku moments, certainly more than Naruhina (I think there was only episode that was dedicated to Hinata, and even then only half was about her trying to get with Naruto).

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 7 2012, 07:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you. I actually recap myself and thought of myself, "Wow, what the hell was I thinking? There were tons of NaruSaku fanservice. More than other pairings." I can collect them and prove it is their main pairing. I mean heck, we had an episode of Naruto's love for Sakura AFTER the fiasco that is Hinata and Sakura's confession. If the studio is that confident that this pairing will be canon, that we should be fine. Not to say rely on them, but I do believe they're on our side. Actually, I recalled an interview that they did the best to keep it "faithful" to the manga, as in not changing around (ex: Naruto falling in love with Hinata). They just happened to push Hinata so much. Luckily, Naruto only compliment her in ninja skills, not as a person who he will like to romance with. The fanservice that we've gotten is so all over the place that we actually lost count. Need I to remind you the latest ova. I got it in DVD and it's still great yet couldn't believe it was the same studio that worshiped Hinata. Hell, we even have a movie that have only Hinata, Sakura, and Naruto as a group, yet no fanservice for NH.

So yeah, I do think we're safe. The victory light is getting brighter. It's only matter of time.


I do think it is just a matter of time, but don't try to get over confident. Kishi (and the anime for that matter) may pull the rug from under us, and make an other pairing canon. Just don't get your hopes TOO high, heck I'm only 99.98 percent sure the pairing will in fact happen. I leave that .02 percent so I can not only give Naruhina (but not Sasusaku) fans the benefit of the doubt, and to keep myself from getting to excited about this. If I get to excited and it doesn't happen................

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:43 AM

QUOTE (Transformers03 @ Jul 8 2012, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I do think it is just a matter of time, but don't try to get over confident. Kishi (and the anime for that matter) may pull the rug from under us, and make an other pairing canon. Just don't get your hopes TOO high, heck I'm only 99.98 percent sure the pairing will in fact happen. I leave that .02 percent so I can not only give Naruhina (but not Sasusaku) fans the benefit of the doubt, and to keep myself from getting to excited about this. If I get to excited and it doesn't happen................

Well sure, I am not 100% confident that it will happen. But if he wants the development to go in a right way rather than easy way, NaruSaku will be the answer. I doubt he will abrupt the whole development because he invested so much time in one relationship that if he decided to turn back on us, then we will ask ourselves, "Why wasted panel? Why write her feelings 'confused'?" There are tons of questions that even general readers would ask themselves if they're hardcore fans. Every development, including panels (especially in this manga), counts. One final statement to say after manga ends with different pairings would be "Shouldn't Naruto date with Sakura if he's the main character with a goal of never giving up." That will be the one that will damage the manga itself because of its theme. Not that this matters but anime studio will look foolish when Kishi pulls a twist on everyone. So yeah, I am not 100%, but I really can't see him betraying his own work. Unless he gets in the worst mood and say "**** it". But I will knock on wood for that.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:44 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Jul 8 2012, 03:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well sure, I am not 100% confident that it will happen. But if he wants the development to go in a right way rather than easy way, NaruSaku will be the answer. I doubt he will abrupt the whole development because he invested so much time in one relationship that if he decided to turn back on us, then we will ask ourselves, "Why wasted panel? Why write her feelings 'confused'?" There are tons of questions that even general readers would ask themselves if they're hardcore fans. Every development, including panels (especially in this manga), counts. One final statement to say after manga ends with different pairings would be "Shouldn't Naruto date with Sakura if he's the main character with a goal of never giving up." That will be the one that will damage the manga itself because of its theme. Not that this matters but anime studio will look foolish when Kishi pulls a twist on everyone. So yeah, I am not 100%, but I really can't see him betraying his own work. Unless he gets in the worst mood and say "**** it". But I will knock on wood for that.

I like how were talking about it like were absolutely certain this is going to happen while there are still thousands of people out there who think the exact opposite because of Sakura loving Sasuke and not caring about anything else in the world and how crazy in love Naruto is with Hinata. err.gif

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE (Branden @ Jul 8 2012, 07:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like how were talking about it like were absolutely certain this is going to happen while there are still thousands of people out there who think the exact opposite because of Sakura loving Sasuke and not caring about anything else in the world and how crazy in love Naruto is with Hinata. err.gif


It is not our fault they are incapable of reading the manga is it? wink.gif


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