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[TouKen4Life3g]

Yup.
Do you think he like itachi? Dude is more garysue than minato.

I think they will do that after the shippuden end.
As long as there's fan, they will milk it until the end.

I believe so. He got redemption, his backstory got altered a bit to make him more innocent than needed to be, he took out Nagato and Kabuto (though first one got help but still), he outsmarted Kabuto by breaking Edo chain, heavily praised by many including Hiruzen, and yeah, all are made him to be that incredible.

[Catra]

the uchiha, hinata, and shikamaru were heavily favored unfairly

[rocci]

the uchiha, hinata, and shikamaru were heavily favored unfairly

I don't think Hinata is kishi favorite.
She's anime studio and fan favorite. Hence her irrelevancy in the actual manga.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't think Hinata is kishi favorite.
She's anime studio and fan favorite. Hence her irrelevancy in the actual manga.

Yeah, I feel like he's only playing by the book of others.

[rocci]

Yeah, I feel like he's only playing by the book of others.

I think, It's easy to tell which character that is kishi favorite and which is not.

Sakura and naruto fall on obligatory character since they're the main and hero/heroine. Especially for naruto, who's a title, protagonist, hero character.
If this manga title is ninja magic, I will not surprise if he change the hero to sasuke, just like he change Hinata role.

[Catra]

still, she was given 3 paragraphs of exposition compared to naruto in a one shot. dont remember which though

[rocci]

still, she was given 3 paragraphs of exposition compared to naruto in a one shot. dont remember which though

That's because she's the heroine of the story.
She's replacing sakura.

[NeonRanger]

It brings into question on how Hinata can gather a dedicated and loyal fan-base compared to Sakura.

 

I'm mean we're also loyal and dedicated, but we're also the minority. The Sakura hate was wide spread enough to get Kishi's attention, where he even mentioned how a little girl told him that she hated Sakura. The only problem was when the hate started. I would say SS was the cause of Sakura's hate, but SS is a popular paring next to SNS, despite both being cast in negative light.... I just really want to understand how Sakura gets the extreme hate...I mean there are reasons, but why are other females in Anime similar to Sakura are well liked or just hated on a minimal level....

 

Out of every worldwide-popular anime/manga fandom I was in, I never see more hate blogs, anti-forums and YT rants on Sakura compared to any other females like Orihime (I felt like she was more of a failed potential than anything else, I don't hate her) and Misa...

 

Even Gaiden...one would thought that Sasuke should take blame, but man everyone was all over blaming Sakura...yes, she wanted a relationship, but that shouldn't excuse Sasuke the slightest....

Edited by NeonRanger, 14 December 2015 - 10:26 PM.

[Catra]

It brings into question on how Hinata can gather a dedicated and loyal fan-base compared to Sakura.

 

I'm mean we're also loyal and dedicated, but we're also the minority. The Sakura hate was wide spread enough to get Kishi's attention, where he even mentioned how a little girl told him that she hated Sakura. The only problem was when the hate started. I would say SS was the cause of Sakura's hate, but SS is a popular paring next to SNS, despite both being cast in negative light.... I just really want to understand how Sakura gets the extreme hate...I mean there are reasons, but why are other females in Anime similar to Sakura are well liked or just hated on a minimal level....

 

Out of every worldwide-popular anime/manga fandom I was in, I never see more hate blogs, anti-forums and YT rants on Sakura compared to any other females like Orihime (I felt like she was more of a failed potential than anything else, I don't hate her) and Misa...

 

Even Gaiden...one would thought that Sasuke should take blame, but man everyone was all over blaming Sakura...yes, she wanted a relationship, but that shouldn't excuse Sasuke the slightest....

he gets a pass because he's pretty and has a moveset. thats it.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It brings into question on how Hinata can gather a dedicated and loyal fan-base compared to Sakura.
 
I'm mean we're also loyal and dedicated, but we're also the minority. The Sakura hate was wide spread enough to get Kishi's attention, where he even mentioned how a little girl told him that she hated Sakura. The only problem was when the hate started. I would say SS was the cause of Sakura's hate, but SS is a popular paring next to SNS, despite both being cast in negative light.... I just really want to understand how Sakura gets the extreme hate...I mean there are reasons, but why are other females in Anime similar to Sakura are well liked or just hated on a minimal level....
 
Out of every worldwide-popular anime/manga fandom I was in, I never see more hate blogs, anti-forums and YT rants on Sakura compared to any other females like Orihime (I felt like she was more of a failed potential than anything else, I don't hate her) and Misa...
 
Even Gaiden...one would thought that Sasuke should take blame, but man everyone was all over blaming Sakura...yes, she wanted a relationship, but that shouldn't excuse Sasuke the slightest....

Not mainstream enough others are/were. Naruto came in a time where it was still growing and Naruto was the push for that, along with Bleach. These two were USA main series until later on, more series come along but they weren't popular enough since these two were the ones that brought the world to broader audience.

Today, while you will still get same haters on tsundere or similar story to Naruto, the audience are more accustomed, and more matured audience begin to surface, which is why when one new work comes around that's similar to Naruto/Bleach, they won't get that same audience, let alone numbers, because it's a different time. You got to find something that will hit them hard, alas Attack on Titan. So different times, different outcomes.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 14 December 2015 - 11:38 PM.

[NeonRanger]

Not mainstream enough others are/were. Naruto came in a time where it was still growing and Naruto was the push for that, along with Bleach. These two were USA main series until later on, more series come along but they weren't popular enough since these two were the ones that brought the world to broader audience.

Today, while you will still get same haters on tsundere or similar story to Naruto, the audience are more accustomed, and more matured audience begin to surface, which is why when one new work comes around that's similar to Naruto/Bleach, they won't get that same audience, let alone numbers, because it's a different time. You got to find something that will hit them hard, alas Attack on Titan. So different times, different outcomes.

You're right.

I just hoped that the majority could move passed Pt. 1 Sakura instead of bashing her until her until she became the exact character they wanted her to be (what we didn't want). 

 

 

he gets a pass because he's pretty and has a moveset. thats it.

 

I dislike SNS and SS for the very reason, more SNS. SNS I have meet and debated with wanted Sakura dead, and were fine with NH until The Last. They bash Sakura so quickly, yet defend Sasuke for his worst crimes saying that he wouldn't have done it if wasn't for Sakura...  and SS was like "poor Sasuke"...what?

 

I really dislike being the minority... being pro-Sakura/NS was really hard. 

Edited by NeonRanger, 14 December 2015 - 11:54 PM.

[Catra]

well there ARE more stupid people out in the world more than smart people so...and yes im calling sasuke fantards stupid. why? because the douche nozzle doesn't deserve jack of happiness, yet he gets away with EVERYTHING.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

well there ARE more stupid people out in the world more than smart people so...and yes im calling sasuke fantards stupid. why? because the douche nozzle doesn't deserve jack of happiness, yet he gets away with EVERYTHING.

Same with Orochimaru, despite doing far more and worse things than Sasuke ever did.

[MangaReader]

I think I've come full circle... don't give a damn what the ending is, I'm shipping NaruSaku till I bite the dust. Because really, who's gonna stop me from doing so, plus I just get to piss off the people who want me to accept what I see and move on. 

[Atheck]

What if they do Naruto Super, using the already made movies content but now on anime tv.

 

The Dragonball series mishandles their characters even worse than Naruto does in some respects. With the exception of Vegeta who appears to have been given immunity to this trait for whatever reason, the cast of characters are discarded after an arc or two's worth of nominal significance. Rather than kill them off to instill some kind of worth or context to their existence so they could at least be utilised in some way, they're constantly revived using the plot device known as the Dragonballs. You're left with a swollen list of characters who have no intrinsic purpose to fulfill besides occupy the background and stroke the egos of the villains or Goku/Vegeta. I can't tell you how much I've grown to despise DB for this. Part of me wishes for the anime to fail so that Toei can understand that they need to innovate their franchise rather than stick to tired old formulas.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

The Dragonball series mishandles their characters even worse than Naruto does in some respects. With the exception of Vegeta who appears to have been given immunity to this trait for whatever reason, the cast of characters are discarded after an arc or two's worth of nominal significance. Rather than kill them off to instill some kind of worth or context to their existence so they could at least be utilised in some way, they're constantly revived using the plot device known as the Dragonballs. You're left with a swollen list of characters who have no intrinsic purpose to fulfill besides occupy the background and stroke the egos of the villains or Goku/Vegeta. I can't tell you how much I've grown to despise DB for this. Part of me wishes for the anime to fail so that Toei can understand that they need to innovate their franchise rather than stick to tired old formulas.

Yeah, and if you saw the recent episode of Super, even Gohan ended up totally jobbed and owned by a freaking lackey (who, somehow was able to become as powerful as Ultimate Gohan was through nothing but four months of being Frieza's "special training partner", and whose body got taken over by Captain Ginyu frog) and Frieza simply because of not training, resulting in him not even being able to become his Ultimate form at all and even unable to become SSj for more than a couple freaking minutes. Even a final burst of ki to give Goku a ki signal to lock onto to allow him to use Instant Transmission to get back to Earth risked destroying his body. And then Goku and Vegeta show up, and Vegeta just owns Ginyu with a single blast. (And they still have yet to show details on how Vegeta became an SSj God.)

The big problem with that jobbing is that Resurrection F doesn't take place that long after Battle of Gods, which itself isn't that long since the defeat of Kid Buu, and yet back early on in the Buu Arc, Gohan hadn't trained for seven years, and yet still demonstrated being able to go SSj2, albeit not as powerful as it was before. There is literally no reason for this amount of jobbing for the strongest individual warrior at the end of Z, except to give the spotlight completely to Goku and Vegeta. Heck, one could say that was also the reason why they had him killed near the end of the Buu Arc when Kid Buu destroyed the Earth; just to have as an excuse for Gohan not being there as he would have had a much greater chance of beating Kid Buu one on one (given Ultimate Gohan was far stronger than SSj3 Goku).

[MangaReader]

Yeah, and if you saw the recent episode of Super, even Gohan ended up totally jobbed and owned by a freaking lackey (who, somehow was able to become as powerful as Ultimate Gohan was through nothing but four months of being Frieza's "special training partner", and whose body got taken over by Captain Ginyu frog) and Frieza simply because of not training, resulting in him not even being able to become his Ultimate form at all and even unable to become SSj for more than a couple freaking minutes. Even a final burst of ki to give Goku a ki signal to lock onto to allow him to use Instant Transmission to get back to Earth risked destroying his body. And then Goku and Vegeta show up, and Vegeta just owns Ginyu with a single blast. (And they still have yet to show details on how Vegeta became an SSj God.)

The big problem with that jobbing is that Resurrection F doesn't take place that long after Battle of Gods, which itself isn't that long since the defeat of Kid Buu, and yet back early on in the Buu Arc, Gohan hadn't trained for seven years, and yet still demonstrated being able to go SSj2, albeit not as powerful as it was before. There is literally no reason for this amount of jobbing for the strongest individual warrior at the end of Z, except to give the spotlight completely to Goku and Vegeta. Heck, one could say that was also the reason why they had him killed near the end of the Buu Arc when Kid Buu destroyed the Earth; just to have as an excuse for Gohan not being there as he would have had a much greater chance of beating Kid Buu one on one (given Ultimate Gohan was far stronger than SSj3 Goku).

There's a easy explanation for Gohan... brought to us truly through the immortal words of TFS 

 

"Gohan is the strongest in the universe but still doesn't do crap"

[rocci]

Doesn't matter but

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Sakura place 5th.

[Catra]

 

The Dragonball series mishandles their characters even worse than Naruto does in some respects. With the exception of Vegeta who appears to have been given immunity to this trait for whatever reason, the cast of characters are discarded after an arc or two's worth of nominal significance. Rather than kill them off to instill some kind of worth or context to their existence so they could at least be utilised in some way, they're constantly revived using the plot device known as the Dragonballs. You're left with a swollen list of characters who have no intrinsic purpose to fulfill besides occupy the background and stroke the egos of the villains or Goku/Vegeta. I can't tell you how much I've grown to despise DB for this. Part of me wishes for the anime to fail so that Toei can understand that they need to innovate their franchise rather than stick to tired old formulas.

exactly. as a gohan fan this ticks me off. i hate vegeta and goku for it. i find it funny how goku fantards whine saying they want more of him yet refuse to accept that the character wont be around forever and will eventually have to pass the tourch on which is what he wanted in the buu arc. seriously you do NOT need to watch the entire series if this is what it all amounts to. the fights are all the same and character are either cheerleaders or power ups for the villain so goku can beat them while vegeta monologues for the thousandth time.

[Bail o' Lies]

exactly. as a gohan fan this ticks me off. i hate vegeta and goku for it. i find it funny how goku fantards whine saying they want more of him yet refuse to accept that the character wont be around forever and will eventually have to pass the tourch on which is what he wanted in the buu arc. seriously you do NOT need to watch the entire series if this is what it all amounts to. the fights are all the same and character are either cheerleaders or power ups for the villain so goku can beat them while vegeta monologues for the thousandth time.

He actually wanted to pass on the torch to gohan since the cell games then to trunks and goten because he thought gohan was dead during the buu saga, but fans won't let them. So we are stuck with a character that has more or less completed his arc since either the end or dragonball of after defeat freeza depending how you look at it as the main character and the only thing left to do is pass the torch to the next generations. So he can become the wise master teaching the next gen. But he isn't allowed to do that because he has to remain the main character or fans will whine and complain.