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[tekopi]

The execution of Sakura moving on from Sasuke sucks. It should've been done ages ago. The longest he should've stretched it out was when Sasuke tried to kill her two times in the Kage Summit Arc and 540 never should've happened. I know Sakura's supposed to be relatable and a "real girl", but still loving Sasuke romantically after all the kitten he's pulled isn't realistic at all.

 

 

I think at that moment, she'd already realize how different Sasuke have been. She's not an idiot not to realize that in her view and from her memory, the guy that she'd saw and make an attempt to murder her is totally different than the one she grown up with. Unable to accept it, she's reduced to tear herself out. Remember, she was created with all the emotion and behavior of humans and a growing girl with maturity development. Kishi's trying to emphasize this over and over, and I think this is normal. I don't see it as a slow development, because things like this did take time to be resolve, even after the Iron Country plot, Kishi don't hastily make a resolve. In 540, she did reminisce about her past choice. In my opinion, it doesn't necessarily be that she still love him. It's just the nin's word make her remember the first mistake she'd ever made in her choice. Kishi could also made Naruto at her other side in that panel, to hint that Sakura really had moved on. But no. She is actually unsure and confused of herself with guilt that begins with the POAL. Adding more to Sasuke's comeback, Sakura's inability to trusts him and his recent remarks on her uselessness, I don't see that Sakura's still see Sasuke in affectionate view. She's smarter than that and not a 12-years old fangirl that cannot learn to move on. As you said, it is not easy for her, she's just a 16 years old, still learning to make her choice. But she's getting there now.

 

 

Another point that I want to put, is that her screen time placement for her to resolve everything. Kishi put it in delay everytime it was brought up ever since the murder attempt, but now, he seems to put more and more emphasize in it for the recent chapter. IMO, I can predict that she's really reaching the answer that she'd been seeking for. 

 

Even if we take that into account there's still the problem of the someone else being Sasuke (probably) depending on if the emphasis in the fodder nin's words were on "you" or "him". Sakura loves Naruto, and she knows this otherwise the point of her confession being truthful would make no sense unless Kishi decided to retcon her confession to being a lie since that was the general opinion at the time. She was seeing Naruto at an all-time high (savior of the village, someone who always supports her and makes her feel safe) and Sasuke at an all time low (criminal, always treated her like a diseased animal, rarely ever sees her and when he does it involves assassination attempts) she even mentions this in the confession and the someone else ends up being Sasuke which I would be fine with.....had Kishi not set NS up as endgame, NS is my favorite pairing but I'm just starting to think if Sakura is even worth all the effort and outside help to be in a relationship. When it comes down to it, it looks much more like NS is happening due to a chain of dumb luck, outside help and coincidences than being soulmates. I honestly don't get the impression at all that they would even end up together had things not played out like they did.

It's hard enough to see the confession as being truthful considering the context of Naruto's denial and the scenes of him remembering all the SS moments would be pointless.

 

She did love him. But as I said, she is confused. Too many emotions being played here. So far, I could say that she view Naruto in everything she held dear; She want to protect him from every harm, she want to make sure that his dream is reachable, she want to amend for her past mistakes for causing him so much pain. But, she didn't realize that this affection she have actually can be mold into one word : love. She had reach everything except that one, since she's still blinded and fogged by all this confusion and depression.

Edited by tekopi, 17 June 2014 - 12:55 AM.

[luffyq1]

I agree with the Chalmers point 100%. You can't really blame him for the Haslem move though. They really had nobody to put on Duncan. Blah would have gotten manhandled by Duncan. Haslem is a great defender, and that's why he was there. Duncan is just too good.

But the Heat had nothing to lose at that point. Experiment by sending Oden out there, it couldn't get worse. Haslem is a great and tough defender, but with Timmy's height advantage and his beautiful fundamentals, Haslem was outmatched.

 

Wade won't leave. He might not even take a pay cut, he might feel entitled to his money. His knees are shot though.

That's what I was afraid of. He'll probably do that Kobe bull crap by getting his money for his past achievements even though he's washed up. Ugh, I hate that. If you truly care about the team then do what's best for the teams interest. 

 

Love isn't the best defender, but he's head over heels above Bosh. Bosh has had great moments since he joined the heat, but overall he's been a huge disappointment. Certainly not worth the max contract he was given.

100% agreed.
 

Melo wants to play with Lebron, but he won't come if the money isn't there. Worst case, Lebron has to take a giant pay cut, Bosh is gone, and then we can sign Melo.

Yeah, Lbj is definitely selfless. He doesn't really need the money with all the endorsements he has. But Melo really needs to learn from lbj about making sacrifices. It would be nice if he could take a pay cut with Lbj to get even more players. But I still see Melo coming either way. Keep in mind that Melo wants a ring badly, you can see it this season and last season, so anything can happen.

 

The problem with getting a point guard is that there isn't a good one available in this class. Outside of Melo, this class sucks. What they might do is, assuming they get Melo, slide Wade to the point, put Melo at the 2 keep Lebron at the 3, have Haslem run the power foward, and have love come in as the center, assuming they get him.

True, but there is one player. What about Kyle lowry? He's a good PG, much better than Mario and Cole. The way Wade was running point I don't trust him with the ball in his hand because he's a turnover machine. Leonard dismantled him. 
 

There's also the possibility that Lebron opts out, but that will only happen if nothing is done personnel wise. That won't happen though, because Pat Riley won't allow it to, he and Mickey Arison will make some moves.

Yep. Pat Riley and Micky will do whatever it takes to to add pieces to this championship caliber organization. I'd be a crime to let Lbj go lol. But I can't believe people think he's going back to Cleveland. It's not because their owner is a douche for what he said to Lbj after he left, it's the fact that they are in a rebuilding phase. Not to mention with the laughable bust of Anthony Bennett. Their organization sucks and I heard that Kyrie doesn't even like it there. It's depression.

 

[Iwantbuns]

 

 Like I said before, it can't be within her character to hold resentment because her character is limited. What I mean by that is that her panel time is either thoughts of Naruto or her uttering his name for the thousandth time. It's obvious by now that Hinata is nothing more than pairing fodder, but even as a pairing fodder that doesn't get enough exposure to create elements within her limited story. There's no wanting to go to his apartment to check up on him. No thoughts if Naruto & Sakura are dating since they're so close. It's all about being a sacrificial lamb, saying his name, reminding the audience of her love and nothing more. There's nothing intriguing in this story about copying/pasting someone's nindo.

 

You're forgetting the whole reason Hinata even admired Naruto at all. She's not pairing fodder. She doesn't want to be paired up with Naruto or anyone, she wants to be acknowledged by others like she's seen Naruto been able to do. Her character doesn't revolve around Naruto, Naruto barely exists in her life. She doesn't try to pursue a relationship with him, she only watches him to improve herself, because Naruto gave her hope in her life. But she doesn't want to push people to love her, she wants to earn it. She wants to work hard for it. She might be weak, but when she really wants to, she pushes herself to be better and to make a change.

 

And so what, if she catches herself thinking about Naruto most of the time? She has a crush on him, she has every right to think about him, because she lurves him. Sakura used to constantly think about 'Sasuke-kun' all the time. She still does do it now, but not out of love, out of heartbreak and sorrow. 

 

(Which is why out of all the crushes in Naruto, I support Naruto's because at least he doesn't rub the fact that he's soo in love with her every single second. His love for her remains, but he would never push her to love him back. I have a lot of respect for that.)

 

The reason why Hinata has to think about Naruto all the time, is because she's not on his team. She can't ever be with him, so there's a sort of distance between them. Their relationship isn't a close one, so she can't go and check on him, or go and find out the details of his love life, because her love for Naruto isn't shallow like that. She doesn't want romance, she wants acknowledgement, because he's the one person she's looked up to since she was a child. Her crush on him, doesn't make her pairing fodder. It just means she has feelings for him.

 

I mean seriously, even Sakura's more of a pairing fodder than Hinata, since she has that whole love triangle s**t going for her...  

 

 And I'm getting the impression that you think Hinata has had this super tragic past where she should be labeled as such a strong resilient girl because she put up with the torturing of her father. Oh please. She was shy, weak and submissive, and as a result her father gave up on her and went with her sister instead. I get it, it sucks that it happened. But it's definitely not the worse tragic(if you even wanna call it that) story. She's in a rich clan and most likely gets feed 3 prestigious meals a day.

 

You're right Hinata's "tragic" past didn't have much to do with her father, than it had to do with Hinata's character in general. Hinata is naturally shy, weak, and submissive, because she wasn't built to hurt people or cause harm. But when you choose to be a ninja, you sort of jump into that.. That's why she wanted to improve herself, and prove to her father and her clan, that she was capable of being a strong kunoichi. I'm not saying she is, but she did improve herself a little. She worked hard to get to where she is now. She might not have been trained by the third hokage ferociously, but it's clear that she trains herself to a point where she can barely take it anymore. And even then, she pushes herself even further.

 

I'm not telling you to feel pity on her, she's not asking anyone to feel pity on her, she just wants to be better. She doesn't want to lie down and mope about her problems, she wants to do something about them. And she does. Sakura also had a similar turmoil. She didn't want to be left behind from her two teammates, she didn't want to be a burden. She cried a little, but then she stood up, cut her hair, and did something about it. Like Hinata, she wanted to change, make an improvement. And yeah, she's rich. So? Are you saying she's not thankful or something? I don't get what you're trying to say.

 

 Tsunade is background character, so what's your point? We see her display care for Naruto, Sakura, Jiraiya and the entire village of Konoha. Hinata has no excuse. And excellent point about Sakura and Hinata by the way. I always said that Hinata's obsession will be a learning curve for her to better herself as a person who thinks outside of Naruto.

 

Do you ever see the missions she goes on with her team? Do you ever actually see Hinata's life outside of the Team 7 dynamic? We don't see a lot of Hinata. We only see what's important: her lame Hyuga problems, her struggle to get better, and her crush on Naruto. You can't honestly tell me, that if one of her comrades were in trouble, she wouldn't jump in to help? If one of her comrades were hurt, she wouldn't at least try to help? Just because you don't see her care for others doesn't mean she doesn't. Just look at the way she cared for Naruto? She didn't do it for the purpose of loving him, and him loving her back - she did it because she genuinely cares for all her comrades. Same goes for every single (good) character in the show. They all look out for each other.

 

To me, it's different for Hinata, because it's been hinted so many times, that she's gentle, doesn't like to hurt people, doesn't want to cause people trouble, and never thinks of herself if someone else was in danger. Whether it be Naruto, or anyone. It's in her character to be careful with other people's feelings, to be polite, and be kind. And yes. First loves help you learn from your misinterpretations. Hinata will soon realize that she has to really know the person well, before trying to be in a relationship with him. But she isn't pushing herself on him - she's giving him time. If Naruto doesn't love her back, she's not gonna blow her top. She'll be sad, but she'll get over it, because that's the type of person she is.

 

 

But she is. Like I said before, even her story as a pairing fodder is very limited. There are no manga panels exhibiting such evidence that she knows that Naruto has feelings for Sakura. Hinata is in her own little world and nothing but Naruto is allowed to enter. I already addressed the resentment part above in this post.

 

Are you sure she doesn't know about Naruto's crush on her? I mean, I'd say everyone knows about it. But let's say she didn't know (which I highly doubt). Do you really think she'd hate Sakura for being the only one in his heart? Naruto's love life doesn't matter to her, as long as Naruto's happy. She believes that he deserves to be acknowledged, praised, and loved. Her heart would break if she saw Naruto go in a depressed state. Of course, she never did anything about it, because she was too shy, but she still carries a selfless love for Naruto. It's not about her character being limited, it's about the parts of her character in general. 

 

Hinata does go into Naruto dreamland a lot, but does it because she loves him romantically. It doesn't mean she doesn't have love/care for many other people. Remember how much she cried when Neji died? She cared for him just as much as she cared for Naruto. (Probably more so, since she knows him better than Naruto.) Naruto is her love interest. But it doesn't mean she's oblivious to everything and everyone else. Even while loving Naruto, she still shows care for others, because her love for Naruto is not shallow (similar to Naruto's love for Sakura, except Naruto interacts with Sakura much more, and understands her better than anyone).

 

You have to really understand the character well, before you start giving her characteristics she never had.

 

Naruto takes precedence over everything in her life. Overall, this character has only displayed the characteristics you described mainly to Naruto. She may care about other people, but it rarely is ever shown. It's mainly about Naruto. Again, Sakura is selfless to a homeless kid that she doesn't even know. She disliked Lee because he came up to her without even knowing who she is and asked to go out with him. You can't blame her for acting that way. She was accepting of Tsunade and Chiyo by the way. 

 

Her caring side is shown a lot towards Naruto when he's around, because he means a lot to her. Naruto doesn't take over her life, Hinata makes Naruto a high priority in her life, because she loves him. It's not a 'does she, or does she not care about anyone else but Naruto' situation here. There's no denying that she holds all her comrades in her high priorities as well. Again, just because her care for others isn't shown, doesn't mean they barely matter to her. Naruto isn't the only one that's affected her life. Many people have, and she respects every single one of them. 

 

I'm not gonna deny that a lot of Hinata's character revolves around Naruto, because it does, but it's implied that when she does care for people, she really genuinely cares for them. This doesn't just apply to Naruto. And it can't just apply to Naruto, because most of the time she's never even there with him. But when she is with him, she constantly notices Naruto and his well being (which shows just how much she really doesn't know him), because she loves him. It's one of her flaws. But it doesn't control her whole entire life.

 

Sakura is accepting of people, but not at first glance. When she looks at someone, she assumes she knows what they're like and either avoids them, loves them, cares for them, or doesn't care about them. Sakura is a selfless person at heart, I never said she wasn't. But it does take her a while to accept people. And if Hinata or any other girl in general, saw a homeless kid on the street, of course they'd show selflessness. That's just how a lot of people naturally are: nice. Sakura is a cool girl and all, but she has flaws in understanding people, mostly due to the fact that she had a good life, lived with her parents, was pretty, everyone loved her, and even had a popular best friend/rival. She had to learn to understand Sasuke, Naruto, and a lot of her teammates. She probably didn't really care much for a lot of her classmates, seeing that she sneered at Ino for being with the "lazy guy" and the "fat guy". It's not just Lee, it's a lot of people. 

 

Of course, now she respects both Shikamaru and Chouji a lot more now. She respects a LOT of rookie 9, by now. She's even become good friends/comrades with them, and interacts with them much better, than she used to. Hinata never once judged any of her classmates, not because she ignored them for Naruto, but because she understands that people have their own lives and possibly even conflicts, because she herself had a lot of issues. You might not agree with me, but this does give her the ability to understand others. Not in a perfect way, but she can feel for other people's pain, because she went through it too. Kind of why Naruto has the ability to understand other people, also.

 

And I think Sakura was the one that came up to Tsunade for her to teach her the ways of medical ninjutsu. It wasn't really a 'will Sakura accept Tsunade thing', but more of a 'will Tsunade accept Sakura' thing to me. But yes, I do agree that they have a pretty good teacher-student relationship in the show. Even though it doesn't really have much to do with the caring and accepting part of Sakura's character imo... And with Chiyo I think I do recall it was the same thing (I don't really remember this arc very well tbh lol sorry). Wasn't Chiyo a part of Sakura and Naruto's mission though? I don't think this relates to it either..

 

 You're right, love makes you do crazy things. But this is Hinata we are talking about here. Put love in her hand and everything outside ceases to exist. It's just an impulsiveness attitude derived straight from the heart. She chose to confess rather than come up with a plan to at least delay Naruto's capture. The anime team got that right, but the manga Hinata didn't.

 

If you put love in anyone's hand, nothing else would matter. It's not just Hinata. So many people in the series have done this. All sense goes away, how in the world is anyone gonna think up a strategic plan, in 2 seconds. Hinata didn't have time, she had to act fast. That would be the smartest thing to do when you're blinded by love and jumping in front of the Akatsuki leader. And she chose to confess, because she figured if she was gonna die protecting the guy she loves, why not tell him, she loves him? It doesn't matter if it's Hinata, or anyone else, stupid things are done when it comes to love.

 

(which I find incredibly stupid... but it's true)

 

During the FoD arc both Naruto and the guy she loves were knocked out. So what does the queen do? She keeps them out of harms way to prevent the enemy for taking advantage of their unconscious bodies. Even when Sakura was madly in love with Sasuke, she still kept her head on straight and evaluated the situation and did what was best within her power. Once again, Hinata has no excuses. 

 

That's because Sakura wasn't doing it out of selfish love. She was doing it out of protectiveness for both her teammates. Sakura isn't doing it for one person she's madly in love with, she isn't doing it because the odds were against her, this is different. This isn't romantic and shallow love, this is comradeship. Something that all the characters in the show do everyday. If Hinata's teammates were down, she would think straight, just as anyone would. Hinata's not dumb, that she would just leave her comrades down, and panic at the last minute. She would think of a smart way to handle the situation, because there's enough time for that.

 

Sakura's intelligent, Hinata's intelligent, when it comes to doing something for their "true love" they will go to extremes to do it. Hinata didn't do it as much before, because it was mostly admiration before, and nothing more. Sakura doesn't do it as much now, because she's starting to move on from her "love" for Sasuke.

 

 Agreed. But we haven't seen Hinata make a conscious effort to even want to understand Naruto outside of his nindo.

 

Exactly. Hinata doesn't love Naruto as a person, she loves him as a role model. That type of love isn't real and doesn't last.

 

But it does change her character. Her love has turned her into a Naruto fangirl. Everything else I agree with.

 

It does, but not by much. It's not like she's pushing herself on to him. She's being patient with him, because his happiness is more important than hers. Her crush on him is still internal, and hasn't been addressed by anyone yet, except her. She is a fangirl, but she's not a crazy one, where she would do anything to be with him, because her happiness does not only belong with Naruto. She has other goals in her life, Naruto has just become one of them.

 

Like I said before, Naruto takes precedence over everyone. It's hard for me to say that she naturally cares about everyone when she rarely interacts with anyone but Naruto, and even that's rare too. But I'll give you that. You don't seriously believe that she loves everyone equally, do you? All thoughts are about Naruto, no one else. She treats Naruto like he's her religion. All her love and care does go directly to Naruto, and he doesn't even have to be within her vicinity for it to happen. That's the beauty of her obsession. There is no room for her to understand other people because, like I said, it's all about Naruto, everyone else be damned. Tell me, what else does she know about Naruto other than reciting his nindo? Don't worry, I'll wait.

 

No, he doesn't. I can't believe you just said she rarely interacts with anyone but Naruto. The whole reason why NaruHina doesn't work is because they don't interact a lot. Like ever. And when they do, it's almost always onesided. Naruto holds a special place in Hinata's heart, but she can never care for Naruto on a deep level, because she just can't interact with Naruto normally as a person. You have to become friends with someone to really fully understand them. And this brings us back to her other friends. Her care for people other than Naruto, is more genuine, because she can be herself around them. I'm talking about her teammates, her cousins, her teachers, people that are close to her, people other than Naruto that she deeply cares about. People she doesn't stutter as much around, people she can be open with, and not get all flustered around.

 

All her love and care does not go directly to Naruto, and only Naruto. This is just false. There's plenty of room for her to understand other people. That's the whole point of her love for Naruto; understanding his pain. But Naruto's rarely ever around her, for her to possibly care only for Naruto. This is just a shallow thought, and goes completely against her character.

 

Ever heard of the road to hell is paved with good intentions? Now I'm not saying Hinata is going to hell because that would be too cruel. But I will say that her impulsive behavior had such a huge potential to screw everything up. Even her bodyguard warned her not to interfere. So I can't agree with you on the risk and selfishness these girls showed. There's a clear distinction. And Sakura showed examples of being a "caring and nice goody-good" person early in the series, not just nearing its end. Like that homeless kid in the waves of land arc I brought up. So don't make it seem like she had to make this huge jump in character development to become a better person.

 

Sakura has done a lot of risky things that she did on impulse throughout the show. You can't ignore that. She shouldn't have done a lot of the things she did. But she did anyways, and caused plenty of problems, she didn't intend to happen. This is probably the first time Hinata did anything crazy like this, but when it comes to love, that's the result. No matter the situation, the things these two do are risky, and with riskiness comes the potential to screw things up. That's what bad choices do. And Sakura's made a lot of her fair share of not-so-good choices. Don't make it seem like she didn't, because you and I both know that Sakura's made plenty of mistakes.

 

Naruto > everyone else. The story rarely(emphasis on that word) shows her caring for anyone but Naruto.

 

Naruto is VERY important to her, but everyone else she cares about are also just as important to her. Again, just because she is shown to care and worry about Naruto a lot, doesn't mean her love for him is so deep, that she would ever abandon her teammates/comrades for him. If she would ever have to choose, she wouldn't choose Naruto, because her love for Naruto doesn't run in that shallow direction. She has plenty of other people she cares about, that have been there for her, not Naruto. And she knows this well. 

 

 Evened out in terms of selfishness or in terms of selflessness? Because I see Sakura rising in selflessness and Hinata rising in selfishness.

 

Yeah that's what I said.

Edited by Iwantbuns, 17 June 2014 - 01:35 AM.

[redrose3443]

Wasn't Sakura crushing on Sasuke, since she was six? So, she's liked him for 10 years or so. If I think about it, it would be hard to stop thinking/believing something after so many years, regardless of what it is. She's coming to terms with the truth, no matter how slowly it is. We've still got time for things to play out, so don't write out the possibility of things going unresolved just yet. Kishi has been showing that he's piecing everything together.

 

I'm sure he'll do the same with the confession. Let's just wait until after this battle, cause once N/S fight breaks out, that's when feelings and bonds will be made clear. So no sense worrying about it, when we still have a few months to go, dealing with Kaguya/Madara.

Edited by redrose3443, 17 June 2014 - 03:40 AM.

[Iwantbuns]

Wasn't Sakura crushing on Sasuke, since she was six? So, she's liked him for 10 years or so. If I think about it, it would be hard to stop thinking/believing something after so many years, regardless of what it is. She's coming to terms with the truth, no matter how slowly it is. We've still got time for things to play out, so don't write out the possibility of things going unresolved just yet. Kishi has been showing that he's piecing everything together.

 

I agree with this

Edited by Iwantbuns, 17 June 2014 - 01:38 AM.

[Gojira]

Either way her thinking about Sasuke makes no logical sense. Does anyone else think the raw can be interpreted the same as MP's translation?

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

@Pepsi:

 

You're right. If you align 540 with 675 and try and say Sakura doesn't love Sasuke anymore, it doesn't make any sense at all IMO. That's why I'm not fond of the argument Sakura was thinking of past mistakes or thinking how the first person she loved wasn't a great guy because it just doesn't fit. The Sasuke she loved was Part I Sasuke, not this one. I'm not saying Part I Sasuke was flawless, but I don't see Sakura as the type to be ashamed of her feelings for that Sasuke. From my understanding, Sakura looking so miserable and ashamed was too strong a reaction for having loved him. It clearly looked like shame, but that shame was because she thinks she still loves this Sasuke and she feels like a terrible person because of it.

 

I know you put a lot of weight in the interview, Pepsi, but if you look the overall context of the manga, Sakura being truthful doesn't really make sense if she didn't think of him in 540. That's why I don't put a lot of weight in the interview. If Kishi really did say it, he didn't mean it as straightforwardly as it sounded. I personally think the interview's fake. No way Kishimoto would be that straightforward with the pairings. I think that interview got translated either incorrectly or with bias. Just give the manga as pairing proof.    I've never used interviews as proof and I'm never going to.

 

Sakura does love Naruto and no longer loves Sasuke, but she's not aware of either (she's really close though!). I just roll with that argument because that's the only one that makes sense to me.

 

@tekopi:

 

Your theory's interesting, but I doubt it had anything to do with Sasuke as her "first mistake". Sakura thinks she still loves Sasuke which is honestly not that much of a surprise to me because she probably held on to loving Sasuke almost the entirety of Part II  and now that Sasuke went off the deep end and keeps failing all of her expectations of what she wants him to be, it's still not easy for her to let go. Sakura probably slowly lost her feelings for Sasuke throughout Part II as she matured, just focusing on T7, and developed such a close bond on Naruto. But that most definitely doesn't mean she's aware of it.

 

I think Sakura thinks she loves Sasuke, but she doesn't want to be with him and she's starting to gravitate more towards a romantic relationship with Naruto. However, I don't even think Sakura knows she loves Naruto. But I do think the time for her to see that is very, very close.

 

 

(Sorry for the weird posting, guys. The quote button doesn't work on mine for some reason)

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 17 June 2014 - 01:49 AM.

[Gojira]

Well in that case that makes me feel even worse for NS

If her confession was fake then that even less sense for her to fall for him later considering she actually goes through listing why she actually loves him

Sorry I don't buy the lovesick puppy dog, he was cool in school and that's about it, get the kitten over it Sakura. There really is no other way Kishi's interview can be interpreted he's pretty straightforward with it.

[AHK]

Even if we take that into account there's still the problem of the someone else being Sasuke (probably) depending on if the emphasis in the fodder nin's words were on "you" or "him". Sakura loves Naruto, and she knows this otherwise the point of her confession being truthful would make no sense unless Kishi decided to retcon her confession to being a lie since that was the general opinion at the time. She was seeing Naruto at an all-time high (savior of the village, someone who always supports her and makes her feel safe) and Sasuke at an all time low (criminal, always treated her like a diseased animal, rarely ever sees her and when he does it involves assassination attempts) she even mentions this in the confession and the someone else ends up being Sasuke which I would be fine with.....had Kishi not set NS up as endgame, NS is my favorite pairing but I'm just starting to think if Sakura is even worth all the effort and outside help to be in a relationship. When it comes down to it, it looks much more like NS is happening due to a chain of dumb luck, outside help and coincidences than being soulmates. I honestly don't get the impression at all that they would even end up together had things not played out like they did.

It's hard enough to see the confession as being truthful considering the context of Naruto's denial and the scenes of him remembering all the SS moments would be pointless.

 
I see where you're coming from. You really have to take a step back and look at the manga as a whole to quell those "dumb luck" feelings you have. Look at where they were to where they are, and then it looks like more than dumb luck, Otherwise you just have to be patient and wait for the next genuine NS moment, when Sakura puts everything into perspective for herself.
 

But the Heat had nothing to lose at that point. Experiment by sending Oden out there, it couldn't get worse. Haslem is a great and tough defender, but with Timmy's height advantage and his beautiful fundamentals, Haslem was outmatched.

 

That's what I was afraid of. He'll probably do that Kobe bull crap by getting his money for his past achievements even though he's washed up. Ugh, I hate that. If you truly care about the team then do what's best for the teams interest. 

 

100% agreed.
 

Yeah, Lbj is definitely selfless. He doesn't really need the money with all the endorsements he has. But Melo really needs to learn from lbj about making sacrifices. It would be nice if he could take a pay cut with Lbj to get even more players. But I still see Melo coming either way. Keep in mind that Melo wants a ring badly, you can see it this season and last season, so anything can happen.

 

True, but there is one player. What about Kyle lowry? He's a good PG, much better than Mario and Cole. The way Wade was running point I don't trust him with the ball in his hand because he's a turnover machine. Leonard dismantled him. 
 

Yep. Pat Riley and Micky will do whatever it takes to to add pieces to this championship caliber organization. I'd be a crime to let Lbj go lol. But I can't believe people think he's going back to Cleveland. It's not because their owner is a douche for what he said to Lbj after he left, it's the fact that they are in a rebuilding phase. Not to mention with the laughable bust of Anthony Bennett. Their organization sucks and I heard that Kyrie doesn't even like it there. It's depression.

 

I'm not sure if Oden's knees were all that great. They probably weren't confident in playing him because of that.
 
Wade is kind of entitled to it though, he was instrumental in bringing LBJ to Miami. It all comes down to whether he wants to get his or whether he wants more rings.
 
Lol I agree on Melo needing to take a page (or a few hundred) from Lebron. You have to consider though how money is important to Melo. The only reason he went to NY in the first place was for money.
 
Kyle Lowry is good, he's just not good enough. His defense is kind of sketchy, and he doesn't make the best decisions all the time. The best point guard FA out there right now is Ariza it seems, and he's not that great. Neither are much of an upgrade from what they have now.
 
Lebron won't leave, but in the event that he does, he'll be in Chicago next year. That is the only logical place for him go. There's already a foundation, their defense is fantastic, he likes Thibideau, they have a big man (although he is a douche) and they have a good point guard when Rose is healthy. Not to mention a bench. LBJ, Rose, and Noah would be lethal together.
 

Well in that case that makes me feel even worse for NS

If her confession was fake then that even less sense for her to fall for him later considering she actually goes through listing why she actually loves him

Sorry I don't buy the lovesick puppy dog, he was cool in school and that's about it, get the kitten over it Sakura. There really is no other way Kishi's interview can be interpreted he's pretty straightforward with it.

@bold: Yes and no. You have to remember that her primary purpose for the confession was to convince Naruto back out of concern for his safety. Her listing that was part of her argument. It was very poorly don, but it will get resolved soon.

Edited by AHK, 17 June 2014 - 04:10 AM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

 @Pepsi:

 

But there's still a chance the interview was biasedly translated. That's still a possibility and there's so many different versions of that interview, that it's hard to really take it seriously. It's safer to just follow the manga IMO. If the interview's correct, then great! But we don't know if it is for sure so why use it as proof?

 

Eh. I just don't buy that interview. It's not that it doesn't really make sense with the manga IMO, but it's that I can't see Kishi being as obvious about his endgame in things like that. That's like he's literally telling you, verbally, that NaruSaku will be endgame. With all the unresolved pairing issues in this series, doesn't that seem a little fishy?

[Gojira]

Well I legitamtely don't like NS anymore and now look down at Sakura as a person.

[tekopi]

Wasn't Sakura crushing on Sasuke, since she was six? So, she's liked him for 10 years or so. If I think about it, it would be hard to stop thinking/believing something after so many years, regardless of what it is. She's coming to terms with the truth, no matter how slowly it is. We've still got time for things to play out, so don't write out the possibility of things going unresolved just yet. Kishi has been showing that he's piecing everything together.

 

I'm sure he'll do the same with the confession. Let's just wait until after this battle, cause once N/S fight breaks out, that's when felling and bonds will be made clear. So no sense worrying about it, when we still have a few months to go, dealing with Kaguya/Madara.

 

 

I agree with this

 

Yup. This is similar to the way I see it.

 

 

@tekopi:

 

Your theory's interesting, but I doubt it had anything to do with Sasuke as her "first mistake". Sakura thinks she still loves Sasuke which is honestly not that much of a surprise to me because she probably held on to loving Sasuke almost the entirety of Part II  and now that Sasuke went off the deep end and keeps failing all of her expectations of what she wants him to be, it's still not easy for her to let go. Sakura probably slowly lost her feelings for Sasuke throughout Part II as she matured, just focusing on T7, and developed such a close bond on Naruto. But that most definitely doesn't mean she's aware of it.

 

I think Sakura thinks she loves Sasuke, but she doesn't want to be with him and she's starting to gravitate more towards a romantic relationship with Naruto. However, I don't even think Sakura knows she loves Naruto. But I do think the time for her to see that is very, very close.

 

 

(Sorry for the weird posting, guys. The quote button doesn't work on mine for some reason)

 

 

I'm not saying that her first love is a mistake. The mistake here is that she's being too optimistic that Sasuke didn't have darkness. Once she saw it first hand, she was utterly speechless to the point that it is hard for her to accept the truth. And I agree, she thought that she loved him, but little did she aware that that feeling she has now is completely different. The only thing she want right now, is to believe in the choice of Narusasu (from Iron Country plot). And probably somewhere, hoping against hope that he can be redeemed. This is the type of love I see she is having now. This point are emphasize by Kakashi, the one that view things from outside the trio behavior. And that's why Kakashi said she is a kind girl. Even as a friend, someone who tries to back stab you, she's trying her best to cooperate and put her little faith that she had left on him. But I don't think that it is to the point that she had forgive him. This is where the mistrust came into play, and her seem to be down this past chapter when finally, Sasuke show the bare truth of his actual behavior, the one that she's never witnessed or experienced. Being shot over and over, I think it would be ridiculous if she's still feel infatuated with the jerk.

 

 

Well in that case that makes me feel even worse for NS

If her confession was fake then that even less sense for her to fall for him later considering she actually goes through listing why she actually loves him

Sorry I don't buy the lovesick puppy dog, he was cool in school and that's about it, get the kitten over it Sakura. There really is no other way Kishi's interview can be interpreted he's pretty straightforward with it.

 

 

Forgive me if I offended you, but it seems that you really didn't understand girls in general, aren't you? I think about the confession, if you  missed Chatte interpretation regarding it, I think you should really read it. Since I'm with her that the confession is not fake.

Edited by tekopi, 17 June 2014 - 02:28 AM.

[Syn11]

Well I legitamtely don't like NS anymore and now look down at Sakura as a person.

 

So what? If you don't want to ship it then don't. Feel free to find another pairing to your liking. Good luck with that.

 

I never saw anything fatal or detrimental in Sakura's confession. It seems to me, Naruto thinks the same way and doesn't look down at Sakura as a person.

Edited by Syn11, 17 June 2014 - 02:28 AM.

[Gojira]

So what? If you don't want to ship it then don't. Feel free to find another pairing to your liking. Good luck with that.

Now I'm just sticking around to vent.

[Iwantbuns]

Well I legitamtely don't like NS anymore and now look down at Sakura as a person.

 

May I ask why exactly you think this? o.O

[Gojira]

May I ask why exactly you think this? o.O

For which?

[Iwantbuns]

For which?

 

Mostly the Sakura part.

[Gojira]

Mostly the Sakura part.

I'm finding it impossible to sympathize with a character whose whole world revolves around the acknowledgement of a pompous douche who can't learn to lighten the kitten up and move on in a world where half the people have a kittentier past then him and learned to cope with it just fine.

[Syn11]

Now I'm just sticking around to vent.

 

If you want to vent, open the window in your room and try breathing some fresh air. That would be more efficient.

Edited by Syn11, 17 June 2014 - 02:44 AM.

[Gojira]

If you want to vent, open the window in your room and try breathing some fresh air. That would be more efficient.

Not enough.