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[sushi.]

Question for you guys:

What do you rather hear from the person you love:

I love someone else. Sorry.

Or

Sorry, I don't love you.

Former. It can be interpreted as "I could give you my heart, but it is already taken."

[Gojira]

Me liking NS is starting to dwindle.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Huh?

Well, you see, people see a weekly base by Sunday-Saturday, not Monday-Sunday. That said if you think the former, then you will feel like it's going to be a bad week. But if you think the latter, you would think, "What a bad week. Hope better for the next."

Me liking NS is starting to dwindle.

Still thinking 540?

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 16 June 2014 - 11:19 AM.

[Gojira]

Well, you see, people see a weekly base by Sunday-Saturday, not Monday-Sunday. That said if you think the former, then you will feel like it's going to be a bad week. But if you think the latter, you would think, "What a bad week. Hope better for the next."
Still thinking 540?

Yeah I'm sorry it's just a huge flaw that nearly crumbles everything down like jenga. It would be like if Spider-Man who spent several decades following the "with great power comes great responsibility" and then out of nowhere sets an orphanage on fire then goes about continuing his business like that never happened, your natural reaction is gonna be "wait a minute back up for sec what happened?" That's what it feels like.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yeah I'm sorry it's just a huge flaw that nearly crumbles everything down like jenga. It would be like if Spider-Man who spent several decades following the "with great power comes great responsibility" and then out of nowhere sets an orphanage on fire then goes about continuing his business like that never happened, your natural reaction is gonna be "wait a minute back up for sec what happened?" That's what it feels like.

I don't know, but you have said your negativity will override positive tenfold after the chapter, so I guess I can see where you're coming from. But you shouldn't even dwell on it so much. The thing is Naruto isn't being considered in "What to choose?" Right now, it's just Sasuke. I don't want "Sasuke is the first guy I love, but Naruto does seem to care." All I want is her to justify her thought alone and with only one person. Don't put anyone else in the mix. But that is if she's not already over Sasuke. Funny if you want to call it ambiguous that this development has been by keep including Kakashi, immediately resulting to be a team talk, more so than a love talk. Again, we'll see. Wish to explain more but Monday morning, slow start for work.

[Illnevergiveup3]

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Well, you see, people see a weekly base by Sunday-Saturday, not Monday-Sunday. That said if you think the former, then you will feel like it's going to be a bad week. But if you think the latter, you would think, "What a bad week. Hope better for the next."

Still thinking 540?[/quote
you steady talking in riddles lol .

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's not a riddle. Lol.

[narusaku256]

So, Monday it is....just tomorrow until the next chapter . Already excited for the next one. I just want to see Minato's reaction when he sees how powerful his son has become. And I want to see both the FTG users pair up and fight beside each other . The hell of a confused Kaguya will be XD. And then I even want to see the part wherein Hashirama narrates the story of the reincarnation and him saying, "Naruto, like me is the reincarnation of SO6P's son Ashura and Sasuke, like Madara, is the reincarnation of Indra and like us they are both destined to fight each other." The curious part is, unlike the said thesis that if the two reincarnations battle each other then they are both bound to die, in Hashirama vs Madara fight, Hashirama won! So why is it that both Naruto and Sasuke will die? Well, I'll continue watching to find out

[TouKen4Life3g]

Very different mood I see. That's the spirit!

[narusaku256]

Very different mood I see. That's the spirit!

Well, someone has to take responsibility right? . Right now, we have two options. One is to ramble about Sakura and the second, which I'd prefer is be excited about next chapter and discuss about what can happen and how things will take place. I say, we have plenty of time to discuss about flaws of Sakura once the series ends. But right now, since its going on, let's enjoy our favourite characters while we still can. We are not gonna see them in action once more. So instead of rambling about stuff which won't change anyway, let's enjoy it . And who knows, maybe Kishi will make things work out in such a way that we won't be left with anything to complain .

[Gojira]

I don't know, but you have said your negativity will override positive tenfold after the chapter, so I guess I can see where you're coming from. But you shouldn't even dwell on it so much. The thing is Naruto isn't being considered in "What to choose?" Right now, it's just Sasuke. I don't want "Sasuke is the first guy I love, but Naruto does seem to care." All I want is her to justify her thought alone and with only one person. Don't put anyone else in the mix. But that is if she's not already over Sasuke. Funny if you want to call it ambiguous that this development has been by keep including Kakashi, immediately resulting to be a team talk, more so than a love talk. Again, we'll see. Wish to explain more but Monday morning, slow start for work.

That's the problem unless it's meant as a counter example, it's really pretty clear where her feelings are. It can only be one person either the someone else is the one whose been with her, supported her and loves and who she loves and confessed to or the whose treated her like crap, rarely sees her and when he does there's almost always a miser attempt involved now. She thought about the latter. If Kishi wanted to give something positive to SS that's fine but then he immediately follows it up with setting NS up as endgame then rep readily bludgeoning SS to death. The message is pretty confusing and doesn't do anyone any favors which is why I'm still hanging on to the improbable idea that it was a counter example, though only that really supports this idea is mangapanda and maaaaaybe Viz which is slightly reassuring because they're pretty pro SS slot of the time.though I'm not sure if the raw can also be looked at from that context as well which is why I'm obsessing over it and bugging the crap out of all our translators. It's hard to find out the context a reaction to a vague statement in an entirely different language the fact that Kishi admits that people miss the context of what he's trying to get across makes it all the more debatable.

[AHK]

I don't think that ALL women are like that. maybe you just didn't found the right one yet. You should feel lucky that those woman that you said are being honest and not stab you in the back with what they really want. Anyway, we are getting off-topic here.
 
I'm still hoping that if anybody is in the same boat regarding Hashirama's power. I think in some more chapter in the future, Hashirama will pass something to our heroine. Maybe a word of wisdom, power-ups, because I smell something like this coming towards our direction. Probably just my instinct kicking in.

  

I don't think Hashirama will really do anything. Maybe he will compliment Sakura on how much he reminds him of Tsunade, but that's all I see from him. In terms of her being able to fight Kaguya, I believe Naruto will hand her his chakra and allow her to use his new sage mode/bijuu mode like he did with the K11 vs Obito.

Coach Spo definitely needs to be fired if Lebron decides to stay because his offensive and defensive system just ain't working. I'm still pissed off he didn't put in JJ, but at least he benched Mario chalmers. But it was too late, the damage has already been done. Yeah, if Beasley was in this series early he would have been ready for the intensity. Wade should just retire. It was truly pathetic seeing him drive inside the paint and get denied every time. Lebron was their go-to guy so he had no choice but to attempt more shots because his crappy supporting cast was jacking up everything. His 30+ points simply was not enough. They let Parker violate us from inside the paint and Kawhi was hitting everything and so was Patty. Our offense, defense and coaching sucked. I wouldn't hold it against Lbj to leave that dump. They better make some huge changes or it's bye-bye to the best basketball player on the planet.

 

It wasn't Spo's fault. The fault lies with people like Wade, Bosh and Chalmers. The performance of all three was awful to say the least. It wouldn't surprise me to see Bosh and Chalmers go. There's a possibility Bosh gets traded for Love, which is a considerable upgrade, considering that Love does everything Bosh is supposed to do, only better. Bosh was relegated to becoming a spot up 3 point shooter, which Kevin Love is much better at doing. Kevin Love is an excellent rebounder as well, something that Chris Bosh has failed miserably at in Miami. Love is also a superior defender.

Not only that, but there has been rumblings about Melo heading down south as well, if Bosh moves, and Lebron takes a pay cut (which he wouldn't mind) Melo might be there come next fall. The roster might look a lot different, which it should after this abysmal performance.

Lebron being the only player to show up was bad to watch.

Yeah I'm sorry it's just a huge flaw that nearly crumbles everything down like jenga. It would be like if Spider-Man who spent several decades following the "with great power comes great responsibility" and then out of nowhere sets an orphanage on fire then goes about continuing his business like that never happened, your natural reaction is gonna be "wait a minute back up for sec what happened?" That's what it feels like.

In regards to 540, as well as after, I feel your pain. It takes patience though. 540 was the middle piece of a long process that Kishi has been putting together since the start of shippuden. The theme has been for her to slowly fall out of love with Sasuke. Sure, she thought of him in 540, but there's that saying that goes "it's not what you say, it's how you say it". The same applies here, only with thought. She thought of him in an extremely negative context. It's lead to where we are now, with her seemingly questioning her feelings due to Sasuke's actions recently. It's taken far too long, but it's gonna get resolved soon, especially since Naruto has shown a habit of picking her up after Sasuke puts her down, both in this chapter and the Susano'o chapter.

I feel your frustration though.

Edited by AHK, 16 June 2014 - 06:49 PM.

[Gojira]

I know NS is already close to becoming canon as it is, which is what makes 540 such a pain in the ass because less than 24 hours the. "Someone else" she was referring to was the man who tried to kill her, puts her down, treats her like crap and basically told her to go kitten herself after she poured her heart out to him. This wouldn't bother me so much had there not been so many NS and ASS kitten going on the very next day. Why would the murder attempts from a few weeks ago not affect her wanting to be with Sasuke and yet being reminded that he's not a great guy kills off her feelings in less than 24 hours. I know it's not Kishi's intention but gives the impression that NS is happening simply because Sasuke became evil and that Sakura needed outside help to figure something she should have decided on her own.

[TouKen4Life3g]

But Sasuke said it himself: he chose this way because that's who he is. That was the point of 181. Sasuke is just that kind of guy. Nothing more, nothing less. He's not going to be any different, except challenge more rivalry talk to Naruto, but now he put that in a serious scale (wants him dead to prove to be #1). Sakura said it herself that their relationship is as close as hate. Not sure why MP is missing that page unless that's a volume edition but regardless, she claimed that they never spoken and she sees him hating her. 181 was the edge of their relationship.

Again, you're asking to change a man. That's like me saying if Naruto was represented to be cool to start and very smart and more pretty looking. You can't. That's mankind.

[luffyq1]

 It wasn't Spo's fault. The fault lies with people like Wade, Bosh and Chalmers. The performance of all three was awful to say the least. It wouldn't surprise me to see Bosh and Chalmers go. There's a possibility Bosh gets traded for Love, which is a considerable upgrade, considering that Love does everything Bosh is supposed to do, only better. Bosh was relegated to becoming a spot up 3 point shooter, which Kevin Love is much better at doing. Kevin Love is an excellent rebounder as well, something that Chris Bosh has failed miserably at in Miami. Love is also a superior defender.

Not only that, but there has been rumblings about Melo heading down south as well, if Bosh moves, and Lebron takes a pay cut (which he wouldn't mind) Melo might be there come next fall. The roster might look a lot different, which it should after this abysmal performance.

Lebron being the only player to show up was bad to watch.

You're right, but Spo played a huge part in our loss. The guy finally decided to bench Chalmers when the damage had already been done. Not only that, but he had the nerve to put Haslem on Duncan lol. That may have worked on the mentally fragile Roy Hilbert, but not the future hall of famer known as Timmy D. Also, his defensive system was atrocious. Doubling every guy who has possession of the ball, which allows other Spurs player wide open for a 3. Just plain idiotic not to call for single coverage. Even the Jeff Van Gundy pointed it out.

 

Now on to the terrible trio. Wade is done! He needs to opt out and take a massive pay cut. The guy looks like he has nothing in the tank anymore. Bosh gave us a little bit of something in game 2 when he hit that dagger of a 3 pointer to seal the deal. But overall he's been quiet in this series. I like the idea of Love replacing bosh, he at least knows how to consistently grab boards and put up huge numbers. Well I wouldn't say love is a superior defender. His defense has been called in to question. But at the end of the day I'd rather have him over Bosh. Chalmers needs to get the hell out! I mean, wtf was even even doing? Constant turn overs, foul troubles and next to no offensive production. We need a better PG asap.

 

Melo is definitely coming down to south beach. He's tired of being bounced out in the playoffs. Plus, Melo and Lbj have a great relationship. If we can get Melo, love, a better PG, a few big bodies to give us some D and some fresher legs, I would like our chances to go back to finals even more.

 

This series was basically the Miami Cavaliers. Lebron deserves better and I believe Pat Riley will make the necessary adjustments to put a better supporting cast around him because you can't have Lebron being worn out for doing everything by himself.

Edited by luffyq1, 16 June 2014 - 07:36 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know it's a slow day today when ign reported a Yugioh thief was arrested for stolen $635 worth of cards. I don't know, just sound funny. Keyword is sound.

[AHK]

I know NS is already close to becoming canon as it is, which is what makes 540 such a pain in the ass because less than 24 hours the. "Someone else" she was referring to was the man who tried to kill her, puts her down, treats her like crap and basically told her to go kitten herself after she poured her heart out to him. This wouldn't bother me so much had there not been so many NS and ASS kitten going on the very next day. Why would the murder attempts from a few weeks ago not affect her wanting to be with Sasuke and yet being reminded that he's not a great guy kills off her feelings in less than 24 hours. I know it's not Kishi's intention but gives the impression that NS is happening simply because Sasuke became evil and that Sakura needed outside help to figure something she should have decided on her own.

  

True, but again, it's not that she thought of him, it's how she thought of him that counts. I see what your saying though, it's retarded that Kishi has been really dragging this out. To your statement of "NS needing outside help", it's true in a way, but at the same time we have to acknowledge that your not gonna just fall out of love with somebody out of nowhere, there's has to be a reason. It's just that Kishi decided to drag that reason way out. She's still in the process of figuring it out on her own, evidence shown in this chapter. Sasuke again puts her down.and Naruto again picks her up again. It's likely that she is confronted with her feelings in the coming chapters and that she has to make a choice on who it is that she really really wants.

I absolutely agree though with your premise. It has been really badly done.

You're right, but Spo played a huge part in our loss. The guy finally decided to bench Chalmers when the damage had already been done. Not only that, but he had the nerve to put Haslem on Duncan lol. That may have worked on the mentally fragile Roy Hilbert, but not the future hall of famer known as Timmy D. Also, his defensive system was atrocious. Doubling every guy who has possession of the ball, which allows other Spurs player wide open for a 3. Just plain idiotic not to call for single coverage. Even the Jeff Van Gundy pointed it out.
 
Now on to the terrible trio. Wade is done! He needs to opt out and take a massive pay cut. The guy looks like he has nothing in the tank anymore. Bosh gave us a little bit of something in game 2 when he hit that dagger of a 3 pointer to seal the deal. But overall he's been quiet in this series. I like the idea of Love replacing bosh, he at least knows how to consistently grab boards and put up huge numbers. Well I wouldn't say love is a superior defender. His defense has been called in to question. But at the end of the day I'd rather have him over Bosh. Chalmers needs to get the hell out! I mean, wtf was even even doing? Constant turn overs, foul troubles and next to no offensive production. We need a better PG asap.
 
Melo is definitely coming down to south beach. He's tired of being bounced out in the playoffs. Plus, Melo and Lbj have a great relationship. If we can get Melo, love, a better PG, a few big bodies to give us some D and some fresher legs, I would like our chances to go back to finals even more.
 
This series was basically the Miami Cavaliers. Lebron deserves better and I believe Pat Riley will make the necessary adjustments to put a better supporting cast around him because you can't have Lebron being worn out for doing everything by himself.

I agree with the Chalmers point 100%. You can't really blame him for the Haslem move though. They really had nobody to put on Duncan. Blah would have gotten manhandled by Duncan. Haslem is a great defender, and that's why he was there. Duncan is just too good.

Wade won't leave. He might not even take a pay cut, he might feel entitled to his money. His knees are shot though.

Love isn't the best defender, but he's head over heels above Bosh. Bosh has had great moments since he joined the heat, but overall he's been a huge disappointment. Certainly not worth the max contract he was given.

Melo wants to play with Lebron, but he won't come if the money isn't there. Worst case, Lebron has to take a giant pay cut, Bosh is gone, and then we can sign Melo.

The problem with getting a point guard is that there isn't a good one available in this class. Outside of Melo, this class sucks. What they might do is, assuming they get Melo, slide Wade to the point, put Melo at the 2 keep Lebron at the 3, have Haslem run the power foward, and have love come in as the center, assuming they get him.

There's also the possibility that Lebron opts out, but that will only happen if nothing is done personnel wise. That won't happen though, because Pat Riley won't allow it to, he and Mickey Arison will make some moves.

[Gojira]

But Sasuke said it himself: he chose this way because that's who he is. That was the point of 181. Sasuke is just that kind of guy. Nothing more, nothing less. He's not going to be any different, except challenge more rivalry talk to Naruto, but now he put that in a serious scale (wants him dead to prove to be #1). Sakura said it herself that their relationship is as close as hate. Not sure why MP is missing that page unless that's a volume edition but regardless, she claimed that they never spoken and she sees him hating her. 181 was the edge of their relationship.
Again, you're asking to change a man. That's like me saying if Naruto was represented to be cool to start and very smart and more pretty looking. You can't. That's mankind.

He said he was different from them, he also said he was considering giving up on revenge implying that he would have stayed had Orochimaru and the sound not gotten involved and offered him a shortcut to power.

Part if what's mixing up the message here is Kishi's trying to develop Sakura into a mature character, kind of a message that's hard to pull through when she apparently refers to her attempted assassin as the someone else, despite the only reasons she ever really liked him was because he was cool kid in school....

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

The execution of Sakura moving on from Sasuke sucks. It should've been done ages ago. The longest he should've stretched it out was when Sasuke tried to kill her two times in the Kage Summit Arc and 540 never should've happened. I know Sakura's supposed to be relatable and a "real girl", but still loving Sasuke romantically after all the kitten he's pulled isn't realistic at all.

 

But enough of my complaints. Even though 540 happened, I don't think it's as simple as "Sakura loves Sasuke and wants to be with him." Sure, IMO, 540 did confirm she at least thinks she loves Sasuke. And since 540 was so recent and we just had Kakashi's monologue saying her feelings changed, I honestly don't think she's aware she moved on. 540 is still there and we need that resolved.

 

I also disagree with the idea that Sakura just now realized Sasuke doesn't care about her and isn't good for her. I feel like this has been a gradual process throughout the series, going as far back to how Sasuke left the village.

 

The major arc of Sakura slowly seeing Sasuke isn't someone she should pursue romantically was the Kage Summit Arc: Sasuke joined the Akatsuki, became a villain, and was now hell-bent on destroying the village. All of this was thrown on Sakura all at once when she still remembered Sasuke as the one she knew in Part 1. And that was driven home even further by her confession to Naruto when she compared him to Sasuke and why he was better for her. Say what you will about the honesty of the confession itself, but Sakura most certainly did feel that way about Sasuke; she did mean why she shouldn't love him and that's what I want people to remember. That, by itself, was progress.

 

The murder attempts only added more fuel to her negative impression of Sasuke. Didn't she admit herself he wasn't the old Sasuke anymore? I feel like we're being too straightforward with Sakura totally loving Sasuke now, wanting to love Sasuke, and that she hadn't learned anything. Sakura doesn't want to be with Sasuke anymore, though she may not be entirely over him. 540 changes none of the negative build-up in the Summit Arc. It wouldn't make sense for Sakura to still want to be with Sasuke when she said herself all he did was commit crimes and hurt her. She feels bad Sasuke liking romantically. Like legitimately ashamed of it. 540 was clear on that.

 

Sakura's problem is that she's still in the process of coming to terms with this. It's hard for her to finally see Sasuke for what he is when for so long she thought it was something else entirely; that image she had of Sasuke being good-hearted and caring but just never showing it. Now every time Sasuke's being rude, cold, and  "not a great guy", Sakura is seeing the hard truth without comforting herself with rose-tinted glasses like she used to. Sasuke never really did met up to her expectations even when she was younger, but the difference is this time she's not trying to lie to herself about it.

 

But it is not easy for her. People need to understand that. How would you feel if something you believed in so fully only turned out to be utterly wrong? That's Sakura with the image of Sasuke she created. It should've been done earlier, but I do understand where she's coming from.

 

Sakura does think she loves Sasuke. Because of how strong her feelings for him where when she was younger, a part of her still believes she does because that's what she's used to. And Sakura's so wrapped up with all these new changes and the way she remembers things that she hasn't fully realized she doesn't love Sasuke anymore. For her, loving Sasuke is all her head really knows. But that doesn't mean she thinks she can't love Naruto either; I just don't think she really knows what she feels for him.

 

Sakura's getting there. At least she's not still setting being with Sasuke as her goal and completely dismissing loving Naruto. I think Sakura's more self-aware than that. Sure, she may not be quite there yet by knowing she doesn't love Sasuke but Naruto, but we're going to see how that unfolds soon.

Edited by xxRomanceGirlxx, 17 June 2014 - 01:18 AM.

[Gojira]

Even if we take that into account there's still the problem of the someone else being Sasuke (probably) depending on if the emphasis in the fodder nin's words were on "you" or "him". Sakura loves Naruto, and she knows this otherwise the point of her confession being truthful would make no sense unless Kishi decided to retcon her confession to being a lie since that was the general opinion at the time. She was seeing Naruto at an all-time high (savior of the village, someone who always supports her and makes her feel safe) and Sasuke at an all time low (criminal, always treated her like a diseased animal, rarely ever sees her and when he does it involves assassination attempts) she even mentions this in the confession and the someone else ends up being Sasuke which I would be fine with.....had Kishi not set NS up as endgame, NS is my favorite pairing but I'm just starting to think if Sakura is even worth all the effort and outside help to be in a relationship. When it comes down to it, it looks much more like NS is happening due to a chain of dumb luck, outside help and coincidences than being soulmates. I honestly don't get the impression at all that they would even end up together had things not played out like they did.

It's hard enough to see the confession as being truthful considering the context of Naruto's denial and the scenes of him remembering all the SS moments would be pointless.

Edited by Pepsi, 17 June 2014 - 12:39 AM.