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[咲耶姫]

Question for you guys:

What do you rather hear from the person you love:

I love someone else. Sorry.

Or

Sorry, I don't love you.

The second one, because of a personnal reason: I'm very jealous. 

Edited by 咲耶姫, 16 June 2014 - 04:47 AM.

[Iwantbuns]

I think I'd rather go for the 'I love someone else. Sorry.'

 

Because that way, it's not like the person said he didn't love me either ;D

[Gojira]

My problem with 540 is that it pretty much affects my outlook on the pairing wars. Hell I would actually prefer it if NS didn't become canon unless this is resolved later. It just seems to me like kind of a step back for Sakura's character.

And before anyone says anything no it's not because of SS, believe it or not even if she somehow ends up with Sasuke at the end, whatever. The reason to me why it seems like it's a step back for her character if it's not a counter example is because this entire inner conflict of hers is being resolved through constant outside influences instead of Sakura making the choice on her own. It would be a step back because she makes a complicated situation out of an easy decision that she needs outside help with and it's pointless because Kishi basically ferociously beats SS to death right afterwards. My problem isn't that it's SS, it's that Kishi is making NS seem like a back-up for her.

I would actually be slightly more ok with SS becoming canon through god knows how rather than NS and not addressing this inner conflict thrown in so late in the game like this.

Edited by Pepsi, 16 June 2014 - 04:52 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The second one, because of a personnal reason: I'm very jealous. 

Interesting. I mean I'm taken but I would choose first one because the first one seem like you somewhat lost the chance but it can bounce back if she moves on, not that you should hope for it. Be respectful. Second one seems like you got friendzoned. I mean yes you can change that but it seems hard since she has decided that fate, unless you confess extremely early. It's like what they said long time ago. Getting rejected by a "stranger" it's not bad, but getting rejected by a friend, it hurts. I can understand a lot.

[Luna]

Question for you guys:

What do you rather hear from the person you love:

I love someone else. Sorry.

Or

Sorry, I don't love you.

Second one. I don't like the idea of them loving someone else. It would be easier for me to move on if you said it like the second one.

Edited by Baka chan, 16 June 2014 - 04:53 AM.

[questdrivencollie]

Question for you guys:

What do you rather hear from the person you love:

I love someone else. Sorry.

Or

Sorry, I don't love you.

Former. It seems a tad more honest and lets me know that I'm not the problem.

 

At least, that's what I think now. In a real situation, maybe I'd react different than I think I would.

Edited by questdrivencollie, 16 June 2014 - 04:52 AM.

[Iwantbuns]

Interesting. I mean I'm taken but I would choose first one because the first one seem like you somewhat lost the chance but it can bounce back if she moves on, not that you should hope for it. Be respectful. Second one seems like you got friendzoned. I mean yes you can change that but it seems hard since she has decided that fate, unless you confess extremely early. It's like what they said long time ago. Getting rejected by a "stranger" it's not bad, but getting rejected by a friend, it hurts. I can understand a lot.

 

I agree. The first one feels like something I'd rather hear because at least it doesn't cancel out all my chances at ever being with the person I love.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Question for you guys:

What do you rather hear from the person you love:

I love someone else. Sorry.

Or

Sorry, I don't love you.

the second one , if it's the second I could change it but if it's the first one I have to be extremely patient .

[TouKen4Life3g]

the second one , if it's the second I could change it but if it's the first one I have to be extremely patient .

As you already got enough patient with this series. Lol.

Wow, many responses coming by. Now, don't quote me, but what if Sakura did the first one to lower the damage for lover-nin. Not saying that is the case but imagine if it was.

[咲耶姫]

Interesting. I mean I'm taken but I would choose first one because the first one seem like you somewhat lost the chance but it can bounce back if she moves on, not that you should hope for it. Be respectful. Second one seems like you got friendzoned. I mean yes you can change that but it seems hard since she has decided that fate, unless you confess extremely early. It's like what they said long time ago. Getting rejected by a "stranger" it's not bad, but getting rejected by a friend, it hurts. I can understand a lot.

LOL I got confused when you said "she...she..." I was like "who is she?" But then I remembered that you're a guy and I'm a girl, so when I'm thinking "he", you're thinking "she". 

[TouKen4Life3g]

LOL I got confused when you said "she...she..." I was like "who is she?" But then I remembered that you're a guy and I'm a girl, so when I'm thinking "he", you're thinking "she". 

Oh yeah, sorry about that. I was talking my point of view. I should have added both sides. Sorry for confusion.

[Shadow Wolf]

Question for you guys:

What do you rather hear from the person you love:

I love someone else. Sorry.

Or

Sorry, I don't love you.

Depends. If we're in a relationship already, then I'd prefer the latter. It would hurt at first but I'd accept it and move on faster. If its just me confessing to someone else, then the former.

[Iwantbuns]

@NaruSaku4Life3g

 

I think that is why she did that. I mean, she barely knows the dude, why hurt his feelings so quickly? Why rub the fact that she doesn't love him in his face? She probably didn't really want to hurt the guy's feelings (cause she's cool like that ._.) But the fact remains that she loves Sasuke, no matter how painful it is to her :/

[luffyq1]

I might have overdone it by saying she worships him, but what I'm trying to say is that it's just not in her character to hate anyone. Ever. She's always forgiving, no matter who it is, and what they've done to her before. But that being part of her character makes her weak and even submissive. It's part of who she is. But what's intriguing about her is how she always stands by her morals. You could say that she "stole" that nindo from Naruto, but imo it's always been inside of her, because that's just the kind of person she is.

 
Like I said before, it can't be within her character to hold resentment because her character is limited. What I mean by that is that her panel time is either thoughts of Naruto or her uttering his name for the thousandth time. It's obvious by now that Hinata is nothing more than pairing fodder, but even as a pairing fodder that doesn't get enough exposure to create elements within her limited story. There's no wanting to go to his apartment to check up on him. No thoughts if Naruto & Sakura are dating since they're so close. It's all about being a sacrificial lamb, saying his name, reminding the audience of her love and nothing more. There's nothing intriguing in this story about copying/pasting someone's nindo.
 
And I'm getting the impression that you think Hinata has had this super tragic past where she should be labeled as such a strong resilient girl because she put up with the torturing of her father. Oh please. She was shy, weak and submissive, and as a result her father gave up on her and went with her sister instead. I get it, it sucks that it happened. But it's definitely not the worse tragic(if you even wanna call it that) story. She's in a rich clan and most likely gets feed 3 prestigious meals a day.
 

That panel you showed me, proves that you can infer that it's part of her character. She's a background character - we don't see how far her care for people ranges. But we do see a lot of Naruto don't we? The thing is, Hinata's purpose in life wasn't to be in a relationship with him, it was to improve herself, and show people that she was worthy (like Naruto - which is why she admired him so much). What makes her different from Sakura is that, while Sakura's moving on from the guy she barely knew, Hinata's falling more in love with the guy she barely knows.

 
Tsunade is background character, so what's your point? We see her display care for Naruto, Sakura, Jiraiya and the entire village of Konoha. Hinata has no excuse. And excellent point about Sakura and Hinata by the way. I always said that Hinata's obsession will be a learning curve for her to better herself as a person who thinks outside of Naruto.
 

She's not oblivious to Naruto's love life. She knows fully well that Naruto has a crush on Sakura (if Naruto can't make it anymore clearer to the whole entire world). Despite knowing this, she never hated Sakura (despite Sakura being the only girl that hangs out with him the most). Like I said before, she only feels sadness. She's never once found herself holding resentment for anyone, and wouldn't start to feel resentment anyways. Like you said, it goes against her character.
 
But even though Hinata holds a strong crush on Naruto, she needs to start thinking about Naruto as a person (like she used to) rather than an object of affection (like she's doing now).

 
But she is. Like I said before, even her story as a pairing fodder is very limited. There are no manga panels exhibiting such evidence that she knows that Naruto has feelings for Sakura. Hinata is in her own little world and nothing but Naruto is allowed to enter. I already addressed the resentment part above in this post.
 

What? Hinata's selflessness does not only pertain to Naruto. The whole point of being a selfless person, is about feeling for everyone, and not thinking about herself all the time. You're telling me she doesn't have selfless care when it comes to Kiba? Shino? Kurenai? Neji? Heck, even all of rookie 9? How can you even imply that? True, Sakura's selflessness expands beyond Naruto, but it wasn't always like that. She had to really get to know her comrades, before finally accepting them. Hinata's just naturally accepting of everyone. You know how Sakura didn't like Lee? Now she likes him, because she's seen how loyal he can be. She didn't like a lot of people, she had to learn to love them.

 
Naruto takes precedence over everything in her life. Overall, this character has only displayed the characteristics you described mainly to Naruto. She may care about other people, but it rarely is ever shown. It's mainly about Naruto. Again, Sakura is selfless to a homeless kid that she doesn't even know. She disliked Lee because he came up to her without even knowing who she is and asked to go out with him. You can't blame her for acting that way. She was accepting of Tsunade and Chiyo by the way. 
 

You're absolutely right. It was selfish of her. She even said so herself. She knew what she was doing was selfish, and harmful to her and others - but she was desperate and she panicked, like any normal person who witnisses their love being crushed by the Akatsuki leader. She knew she was no match for him, but she went up to him and at least tried to protect him. She didn't do it to confess, she confessed because she knew she was probably gonna die. It was probably one of the worse choices she made - because that's what love does to you, it makes you do risky things.

 
You're right, love makes you do crazy things. But this is Hinata we are talking about here. Put love in her hand and everything outside ceases to exist. It's just an impulsiveness attitude derived straight from the heart. She chose to confess rather than come up with a plan to at least delay Naruto's capture. The anime team got that right, but the manga Hinata didn't.
 

Just try and think of Sakura - what about all those times when she did the craziest things for the ones she loves? This includes Sasuke and possibly Naruto. You're right, what Hinata did caused many people to be in danger, but it doesn't change the fact that the situation was risky. If Sakura wasn't thinking something through and did it, it doesn't matter how many people she affects, because she wouldn't be thinking straight. Same goes for Hinata. When it comes to Naruto, Hinata doesn't think straight. You can't honestly tell me, that when it comes to Sasuke, Sakura thinks straight cause she doesn't.

 
During the FoD arc both Naruto and the guy she loves were knocked out. So what does the queen do? She keeps them out of harms way to prevent the enemy for taking advantage of their unconscious bodies. Even when Sakura was madly in love with Sasuke, she still kept her head on straight and evaluated the situation and did what was best within her power. Once again, Hinata has no excuses. 
 

Hinata's morals have changed throughout the series. She's slowly become a one track minded person, that revolves around Naruto. At this point, she does want to pursue a relationship with Naruto. But what she doesn't understand is that she really doesn't understand Naruto, as much as she wishes she did. I have a feeling that once she gets the chance to interact with Naruto as a person, with Naruto knowing full well about her feelings for him, that confidence she had during the war will probably slowly slip out. Because she can't act like herself around him, even if she tried. She's never really talked to him directly as people who've known each other for a long time, because they've never had that sort of close relationship.

 
Agreed. But we haven't seen Hinata make a conscious effort to even want to understand Naruto outside of his nindo.
 

I think Hinata needs to wake up, and realize where her morals really lie - and they're not with Naruto, because I don't really see why she would deserve Naruto's love, because she was never really there for him. But her love for Naruto doesn't change her character, it strengthens it, even though she does dumb, risky, things around him. So yes, Hinata's character does revolve around Naruto at this point, unfortunately. In fact, hat's how it was with Sakura to Sasuke, for a long, long, time.

 

But it does change her character. Her love has turned her into a Naruto fangirl. Everything else I agree with.
 

Again what? Are you saying she doesn't naturally care about everyone? Every part of her character implies that she cares about everyone she knows, and loves them all equally. She never gives anyone special treatment, she treats everyone the same. The reason why she can't be normal around Naruto in general, is because she has a reeally crazy crush on him. But I would never say that ALL her love and care goes directly to Naruto. She's not around Naruto all the time, she has so many other people to care about. We don't see her all the time, but you can instantly tell this is a part of her character, from the very first moment she was introduced. How can you say there's no room for her to understand anyone, when that's the whole point of her crush on Naruto - to understand him, to feel for his pain. If you can't possibly infer this, then there's no point in arguing about this at all...

 
Like I said before, Naruto takes precedence over everyone. It's hard for me to say that she naturally cares about everyone when she rarely interacts with anyone but Naruto, and even that's rare too. But I'll give you that. You don't seriously believe that she loves everyone equally, do you? All thoughts are about Naruto, no one else. She treats Naruto like he's her religion. All her love and care does go directly to Naruto, and he doesn't even have to be within her vicinity for it to happen. That's the beauty of her obsession. There is no room for her to understand other people because, like I said, it's all about Naruto, everyone else be damned. Tell me, what else does she know about Naruto other than reciting his nindo? Don't worry, I'll wait.
 

Hinata never had any intentions of putting anyone at risk. Sakura wouldn't either. But no matter what mistakes they made, or who it could possibly have an affect on, doesn't make what they did any less riskier, and/or selfish. Sakura has been shown to be a very caring person. But just because we don't see Hinata being caring, doesn't mean she isn't. Sakura wasn't always the caring and nice goody-good person she is now (particularly in Part 2 and near the end of Part 1 she started changing her ways). She had to develop as a person, and learn from her mistakes. Hinata was always a naturally kind and caring person since the very beginning. She didn't need the development, because she was already like that. What I'd recommend she develop, is probably to be more confident in herself, and try to not think about Naruto all the time (which she's been doing a lot).

 
Ever heard of the road to hell is paved with good intentions? Now I'm not saying Hinata is going to hell because that would be too cruel. But I will say that her impulsive behavior had such a huge potential to screw everything up. Even her bodyguard warned her not to interfere. So I can't agree with you on the risk and selfishness these girls showed. There's a clear distinction. And Sakura showed examples of being a "caring and nice goody-good" person early in the series, not just nearing its end. Like that homeless kid in the waves of land arc I brought up. So don't make it seem like she had to make this huge jump in character development to become a better person.
 

We can see that Sakura's care is not limited to one person, but you can't assume that Hinata's caring side is only limited to one person either, because she's not the type of person to do that.

 
Naruto > everyone else. The story rarely(emphasis on that word) shows her caring for anyone but Naruto.
 

The reason I think this is because while Sakura's becoming more and more selfless in her character, Hinata is becoming more and more selfish when it comes to Naruto. To me, it kind of looks like it evened out in a way. Sakura and Hinata are very different characters, but they are also starting to be alike in where their morals lie, and possibly in who they love (Naruto).

 
Evened out in terms of selfishness or in terms of selflessness? Because I see Sakura rising in selflessness and Hinata rising in selfishness.

Edited by luffyq1, 16 June 2014 - 02:59 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

@Luffyq1 how you feel about the game tonight ?

[luffyq1]

@Luffyq1 how you feel about the game tonight ?

~Sign~ Heat = Cavs 2.0 Lbj was their only hope.
 

All I can say is this...
 
Just think Sunday as a week of Monday-Sunday, so if you didn't like the chapter, just think this way...........That goes to you, Luffyq1....

Huh?

Edited by luffyq1, 16 June 2014 - 05:48 AM.

[tekopi]

Just a few days ago, while browsing through the tumblr, I came across an anon that send a message to one of the NS supporter. Seems he feels weird with all this pairing war while in Japan it is pretty obvious with the endgame regarding this for the longest time. And he claimed that he is Japanese, although he is supporting narusasu and all. I am intrigued if anyone can look into the matter for the recent development and clarify this. I have been hearing this ever since the beginning of war arc, and do a little digging of my own but my resources are limited. Even so, I can't help but to agree, giving that I've done my own observation for the reception around my place and all.

 

I randomly asks those about between Hinata & Sakura, which they prefer. For kids, I ask them in a way kids would understand, which is his (naruto) girlfriend? And kids is honest in their view, they would say the first thing they think of about a matter. And all answer leads to one : the pink haired kunoichi. When I ask why not the other one, they would say she is hopeless, scary and a bit of pushover in her way. A bit harsh, but that's what they view things as. For grownups that follows shipping trend, of course there are mixed reviews, but all seems to accept that NS will be the endgame.

[Illnevergiveup3]

~Sign~ Heat = Cavs 2.0 Lbj was their only hope.
 
Huh?

lol they still ain't put in James Jones , and Michael Beasley was all nervous . Wade was getting locked up by Green . LeBron was trying to take all the shots . Ray Allen kittented and got a some careless turnovers . And They ain't have no answer for Tony Parker , Kawhi Leonard or Patty Mills . They let Mills take too much shots .

[luffyq1]

lol they still ain't put in James Jones , and Michael Beasley was all nervous . Wade was getting locked up by Green . LeBron was trying to take all the shots . Ray Allen kittented and got a some careless turnovers . And They ain't have no answer for Tony Parker , Kawhi Leonard or Patty Mills . They let Mills take too much shots .

Coach Spo definitely needs to be fired if Lebron decides to stay because his offensive and defensive system just ain't working. I'm still pissed off he didn't put in JJ, but at least he benched Mario chalmers. But it was too late, the damage has already been done. Yeah, if Beasley was in this series early he would have been ready for the intensity. Wade should just retire. It was truly pathetic seeing him drive inside the paint and get denied every time. Lebron was their go-to guy so he had no choice but to attempt more shots because his crappy supporting cast was jacking up everything. His 30+ points simply was not enough. They let Parker violate us from inside the paint and Kawhi was hitting everything and so was Patty. Our offense, defense and coaching sucked. I wouldn't hold it against Lbj to leave that dump. They better make some huge changes or it's bye-bye to the best basketball player on the planet.

[narusaku256]

Question for you guys:

What do you rather hear from the person you love:

I love someone else. Sorry.

Or

Sorry, I don't love you.

I'd like to hear the former one. Second one seems like I don't have a slightest chance and is a bit harsh to hear. So the first one.