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Posted 15 June 2014 - 10:34 PM

Yeah but here's the thing. If all of them went to Sasuke and started fighting him, they would've been dead. It doesn't matter how powerful Lee, Sakura, Kiba and Sai are, Sasuke would just murder them.

Sakura's plan was good, it failed but it was good. She went alone and tried to convince Sasuke that she wants to join him, so he can lower his guard and she kills him.

Through her actions she saved them. But sadly she failed in delivering the blow to Sasuke.

I agree and will also add that she did that also because she wanted her to be the only one that Naruto will hate because she knew how much it would have hurt him if all of his friends were involved in killing him so she took everything on her shoulders for Naruto's sake 


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 10:48 PM

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I never said Hinata was strong or even very well developed. But unlike Hinata, Sakura had to learn to understand other people's feelings. Hinata is just naturally a kind and caring person. She calls her enemy and abuser 'big-brother' and treats him like a favorite sibling. She worships her father despite his disinterest in her, and does everything she can to make him proud. She seems to hold no grudge towards the younger sister who has replaced her in everyone's hearts, and only tries to get better than 'Hanabi-Chan' on her own. She doesn't interact with Sakura much, but she doesn't even seem to resent her for being the only girl in Naruto's heart. She only feels sadness.


I know you didn't say she was strong, which is why I said no amount of training would change my opinion of her, since you said she has the potential. Are you pointing out Sakura learning to understand people as a bad thing or not? You are right, Hinata is a kind & caring person. But I don't think that translates over to the submissiveness in the appearance of Neji.

She held her tongue back because she was scared of Neji and had every reason to be so. He verbally and physically abused her. Sure, she worshiped Neji after their little conflict was over, but I never saw any worshiping of her father, but more like not wanting to be labeled a failure in his eyes. The traits that Neji described Hinata having were true and she agreed with him. She does things out of her limit to try to change herself even if it is impossible for her. 
 
Not saying that it's in Hinata's character to hold resentment, but Hinata can't hold any resentment because she's oblivious to Naruto's love life. Their conversation's and interactions are short and kept within a coach and student type bond. Nothing more nothing less.
 

Sakura however is starting to grow much more selfless and caring towards people as Hinata is, rather than judging a book by its cover (as she used to). You can tell this, by the way she acts more accepting and even protective of Naruto, and is starting to see Sasuke as he really is - meaning not some perfect guy she fell for in the beginning. She shows true compassion and concern for him now. Hinata IS a rational thinker. But while Sakura is getting over Sasuke, Hinata can't get over Naruto, because there's nothing for her to get over from. That's what Hinata doesn't quite understand.

 

I can't entirely agree with this. Hinata is selfless no doubt, but that selflessness only comes out when it pertains to Naruto. Sakura's selflessness is expanded beyond just Naruto. That's is the difference. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the part of Hinata being a rational thinker.
 

Hinata didn't jump up in front of Pein for no good reason. She saw that Naruto was in trouble, and you could say her body "just moved". She didn't do it to cause people to be in trouble, she didn't do it for herself, she did it because she cares deeply about Naruto, and wanted to protect him. She loves him. You can say that her love for him isn't real, but to her it is. And when you love someone you do risky things for them. Sakura's done it, Naruto's done it, heck even Sasuke's done it. Hinata's no different.


You're right. She jumped in front of Pein because of Naruto. But where's the evaluation of the situation? Where's the actual rescue attempt? All I see was a girl who wanted to confess to Naruto before he has his ass dragged outta Konoha. There were more panels dedicated to her speech than there was for an actual rescue attempt. She knew Pein was no match for her yet she charged in head first after her confession was done. It was just a sacrifice, and it wouldn't be the first time she turned herself into some sacrificial lamb. The war arc comes to mind. They've all risked their life's for each other, but last I checked hundreds of lives weren't in jeopardy when they did it. Only Hinata. I may hate Hinata, but I'm not some brain dead hater who labels her love as not being real. It is real, no matter how selfishly we view it.
 

You're right though. Hinata doesn't understand Naruto. She wants to think she does, but she doesn't. But Hinata's purpose in life isn't to be in a relationship with Naruto. It's to be there for him when he really needs it (which Sakura's already doing for Naruto). Sakura's crush on Sasuke was a lot more shallow than Hinata's to Naruto. Sakura just wanted to be with him for his coolness/looks or whatever... There's a really big difference between Hinata and Sakura. Hinata naturally cares about everyone, which gives her the ability to understand people (similar to Naruto in that way), she does think things through before she does them, because she clearly does not ever want anyone to feel emotionally or even physically hurt by something she does.


Hinata's purpose in life isn't to be in a relationship with Naruto? Well you could have fooled me. The entirety of her character is about Naruto and Naruto alone. Coupled with the fact that her dream is shown being together romantically on a bench with Naruto, I don't feel wrong in thinking that's the only thing she wants in life. And I agree with Sakura and Hinata's reasoning for falling in love. Hinata naturally cares about everyone? Where is this mother Theresa you speak of? Sure, you can say that she naturally cares about everyone, but all that care is being poured in Naruto's direction. Her character overall is completely coated with Naruto. There is no room for her to understand anyone else, and she barely understands Naruto. I guess well just have to agree to disagree once again on the part of Hinata thinking things through.
 

There are so many instances where Sakura's done something risky or hurtful to other people, without realizing it, or without thinking. Most of the time it involves Sasuke. But like I said, she's starting to really get over him, and is starting to develop a LOT as a person. That's why I think Sakura's a very well developed character, but Hinata is just naturally the many things Sakura could be. But seriously these two, both have a lot of flaws; Sakura's temper, Hinata's shyness. They're different. It's kind of like comparing apples and oranges.


Like I said, Sakura has made mistakes, but I can't think of one single panel where she potentially put the lives of others at risk unintentionally. Believe it or not but Sakura has been shown to be much more caring than Hinata is. Chiyo, Tsunade, Konoha citizens, land of waves homeless kid, Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi and so much more. Her care throughout the series isn't just limited to one person. 
 

They're both great in their own way. They're almost equal in terms of being selfish or selfless at this point.


I don't think they're equal at all in terms of being selfish or selfless. Agree to disagree I guess.


Edited by luffyq1, 15 June 2014 - 10:48 PM.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 11:14 PM

Yeah but here's the thing. If all of them went to Sasuke and started fighting him, they would've been dead. It doesn't matter how powerful Lee, Sakura, Kiba and Sai are, Sasuke would just murder them.

She going she also would die, the most reasonable thing was for her to no go, not her just going by herself.
Taking Lee, Kiba and Sai were just to locate Naruto and Sasuke, which she shows when she asks where Sasuke is and then puts them to sleep.
She didnt wanted to involve them and it shows clearly on her conversation with Sai that she was planning to do something by herself.
 

Sakura's plan was good, it failed but it was good. She went alone and tried to convince Sasuke that she wants to join him, so he can lower his guard and she kills him.
Through her actions she saved them. But sadly she failed in delivering the blow to Sasuke.

Good?
It relied on the fact her poison could work and her being capable of hitting Sasuke, there was no plan B, or C or D in case it fails.
It was pure kamikaze, her poison would not work on Sasuke as Kakashi stated because he worked on Orochimaru even she said during Naruto's training arc that Sasuke might used drugs.

Her plan had many failure points so it would not had worked.
The right thing was her going to tell Naruto what the k11 had decided and bring him back to the village but she didnt wanted to do it because from her POAL she didnt wanted to hurt Naruto anymore, in fact she wanted to take all the blame to herself, her mission since the begining if you haven't noticed it was for her to kill Sasuke and probably mgiht end dying too or even if she escaped make Naruto hate her.
She looked down at herself once again like many times of the manga and decided that she should end this whole team 7 thing by herself.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 12:40 AM

I know you didn't say she was strong, which is why I said no amount of training would change my opinion of her, since you said she has the potential. Are you pointing out Sakura learning to understand people as a bad thing or not? You are right, Hinata is a kind & caring person. But I don't think that translates over to the submissiveness in the appearance of Neji.

She held her tongue back because she was scared of Neji and had every reason to be so. He verbally and physically abused her. Sure, she worshiped Neji after their little conflict was over, but I never saw any worshiping of her father, but more like not wanting to be labeled a failure in his eyes. The traits that Neji described Hinata having were true and she agreed with him. She does things out of her limit to try to change herself even if it is impossible for her. 

 

I might have overdone it by saying she worships him, but what I'm trying to say is that it's just not in her character to hate anyone. Ever. She's always forgiving, no matter who it is, and what they've done to her before. But that being part of her character makes her weak and even submissive. It's part of who she is. But what's intriguing about her is how she always stands by her morals. You could say that she "stole" that nindo from Naruto, but imo it's always been inside of her, because that's just the kind of person she is.

 

That panel you showed me, proves that you can infer that it's part of her character. She's a background character - we don't see how far her care for people ranges. But we do see a lot of Naruto don't we? The thing is, Hinata's purpose in life wasn't to be in a relationship with him, it was to improve herself, and show people that she was worthy (like Naruto - which is why she admired him so much). What makes her different from Sakura is that, while Sakura's moving on from the guy she barely knew, Hinata's falling more in love with the guy she barely knows.

 

 

Not saying that it's in Hinata's character to hold resentment, but Hinata can't hold any resentment because she's oblivious to Naruto's love life. Their conversation's and interactions are short and kept within a coach and student type bond. Nothing more nothing less.

 

She's not oblivious to Naruto's love life. She knows fully well that Naruto has a crush on Sakura (if Naruto can't make it anymore clearer to the whole entire world). Despite knowing this, she never hated Sakura (despite Sakura being the only girl that hangs out with him the most). Like I said before, she only feels sadness. She's never once found herself holding resentment for anyone, and wouldn't start to feel resentment anyways. Like you said, it goes against her character. 

 

But even though Hinata holds a strong crush on Naruto, she needs to start thinking about Naruto as a person (like she used to) rather than an object of affection (like she's doing now).

 

 

I can't entirely agree with this. Hinata is selfless no doubt, but that selflessness only comes out when it pertains to Naruto. Sakura's selflessness is expanded beyond just Naruto. That's is the difference. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the part of Hinata being a rational thinker.

 

What? Hinata's selflessness does not only pertain to Naruto. The whole point of being a selfless person, is about feeling for everyone, and not thinking about herself all the time. You're telling me she doesn't have selfless care when it comes to Kiba? Shino? Kurenai? Neji? Heck, even all of rookie 9? How can you even imply that? True, Sakura's selflessness expands beyond Naruto, but it wasn't always like that. She had to really get to know her comrades, before finally accepting them. Hinata's just naturally accepting of everyone. You know how Sakura didn't like Lee? Now she likes him, because she's seen how loyal he can be. She didn't like a lot of people, she had to learn to love them.

 

You're right. She jumped in front of Pein because of Naruto. But where's the evaluation of the situation? Where's the actual rescue attempt? All I see was a girl who wanted to confess to Naruto before he has his ass dragged outta Konoha. There were more panels dedicated to her speech than there was for an actual rescue attempt. She knew Pein was no match for her yet she charged in head first after her confession was done. It was just a sacrifice, and it wouldn't be the first time she turned herself into some sacrificial lamb. The war arc comes to mind. They've all risked their life's for each other, but last I checked hundreds of lives weren't in jeopardy when they did it. Only Hinata. I may hate Hinata, but I'm not some brain dead hater who labels her love as not being real. It is real, no matter how selfishly we view it.

 

You're absolutely right. It was selfish of her. She even said so herself. She knew what she was doing was selfish, and harmful to her and others - but she was desperate and she panicked, like any normal person who witnisses their love being crushed by the Akatsuki leader. She knew she was no match for him, but she went up to him and at least tried to protect him. She didn't do it to confess, she confessed because she knew she was probably gonna die. It was probably one of the worse choices she made - because that's what love does to you, it makes you do risky things.

 

Just try and think of Sakura - what about all those times when she did the craziest things for the ones she loves? This includes Sasuke and possibly Naruto. You're right, what Hinata did caused many people to be in danger, but it doesn't change the fact that the situation was risky. If Sakura wasn't thinking something through and did it, it doesn't matter how many people she affects, because she wouldn't be thinking straight. Same goes for Hinata. When it comes to Naruto, Hinata doesn't think straight. You can't honestly tell me, that when it comes to Sasuke, Sakura thinks straight cause she doesn't.

 

 

Hinata's purpose in life isn't to be in a relationship with Naruto? Well you could have fooled me. The entirety of her character is about Naruto and Naruto alone. Coupled with the fact that her dream is shown being together romantically on a bench with Naruto, I don't feel wrong in thinking that's the only thing she wants in life. And I agree with Sakura and Hinata's reasoning for falling in love. 

 

Hinata's morals have changed throughout the series. She's slowly become a one track minded person, that revolves around Naruto. At this point, she does want to pursue a relationship with Naruto. But what she doesn't understand is that she really doesn't understand Naruto, as much as she wishes she did. I have a feeling that once she gets the chance to interact with Naruto as a person, with Naruto knowing full well about her feelings for him, that confidence she had during the war will probably slowly slip out. Because she can't act like herself around him, even if she tried. She's never really talked to him directly as people who've known each other for a long time, because they've never had that sort of close relationship.

 

I think Hinata needs to wake up, and realize where her morals really lie - and they're not with Naruto, because I don't really see why she would deserve Naruto's love, because she was never really there for him. But her love for Naruto doesn't change her character, it strengthens it, even though she does dumb, risky, things around him. So yes, Hinata's character does revolve around Naruto at this point, unfortunately. In fact, hat's how it was with Sakura to Sasuke, for a long, long, time.

 

 

Hinata naturally cares about everyone? Where is this mother Theresa you speak of? Sure, you can say that she naturally cares about everyone, but all that care is being poured in Naruto's direction. Her character overall is completely coated with Naruto. There is no room for her to understand anyone else, and she barely understands Naruto. I guess well just have to agree to disagree once again on the part of Hinata thinking things through.

 

Again what? Are you saying she doesn't naturally care about everyone? Every part of her character implies that she cares about everyone she knows, and loves them all equally. She never gives anyone special treatment, she treats everyone the same. The reason why she can't be normal around Naruto in general, is because she has a reeally crazy crush on him. But I would never say that ALL her love and care goes directly to Naruto. She's not around Naruto all the time, she has so many other people to care about. We don't see her all the time, but you can instantly tell this is a part of her character, from the very first moment she was introduced. How can you say there's no room for her to understand anyone, when that's the whole point of her crush on Naruto - to understand him, to feel for his pain. If you can't possibly infer this, then there's no point in arguing about this at all...

 

 

Like I said, Sakura has made mistakes, but I can't think of one single panel where she potentially put the lives of others at risk unintentionally. Believe it or not but Sakura has been shown to be much more caring than Hinata is. Chiyo, Tsunade, Konoha citizens, land of waves homeless kid, Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi and so much more. Her care throughout the series isn't just limited to one person. 

 

Hinata never had any intentions of putting anyone at risk. Sakura wouldn't either. But no matter what mistakes they made, or who it could possibly have an affect on, doesn't make what they did any less riskier, and/or selfish. Sakura has been shown to be a very caring person. But just because we don't see Hinata being caring, doesn't mean she isn't. Sakura wasn't always the caring and nice goody-good person she is now (particularly in Part 2 and near the end of Part 1 she started changing her ways). She had to develop as a person, and learn from her mistakes. Hinata was always a naturally kind and caring person since the very beginning. She didn't need the development, because she was already like that. What I'd recommend she develop, is probably to be more confident in herself, and try to not think about Naruto all the time (which she's been doing a lot).

 

We can see that Sakura's care is not limited to one person, but you can't assume that Hinata's caring side is only limited to one person either, because she's not the type of person to do that.

 

 

I don't think they're equal at all in terms of being selfish or selfless. Agree to disagree I guess.

 

The reason I think this is because while Sakura's becoming more and more selfless in her character, Hinata is becoming more and more selfish when it comes to Naruto. To me, it kind of looks like it evened out in a way. Sakura and Hinata are very different characters, but they are also starting to be alike in where their morals lie, and possibly in who they love (Naruto).


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Why do people NOT ship these two? I just don't get it.

Probably cause they hate Sakura. When she's probably the most developed female character in the whole show.

I respect Hinata, but Sakura deserves some too.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 01:56 AM

More likely a bunch of 12-year-old pervs who really shouldn't even be on the internet in the first place.

 

I really don't understand the big deal about Hinata's chest size or Sakura's chest size. They're FICTIONAL CHARACTERS for cryin' out loud! What does it matter? Are boobs all that matter to the majority of the male population these days? Is that all they want in women? Sure seems like it. I walk around town for a while, run across a group of teenage boys talking about nothing other than sex and how they'd floop these girls they saw at the theaters or something  :glare: It's driving me nuts! And yet I wonder why I don't have any friends or try to befriend people...guys like them are perfect examples.

 

Point is...I'd pick a girl like Sakura over over a girl like Hinata. Any. Day. Of. The. Week.

 

Sakura could do the following:

 

1-Be fun to be around

 

2-Playful

 

3-Would know my limits

 

4-Would comfort me when I'm down

 

5-Would keep me in line

 

6-Would punish me if I did something bad or stupid...which I have been known to do. 

 

7-Would probably be a good mother. She could teach her kids right from wrong fairly easily, and punish them when they disobeyed her

 

8-Would know how to take care of me if I got hurt...which would be REALLY nice because some of the equipment I work on can be kind of dangerous...

 

9-Smart

 

10-A face I would look forward to coming home to everyday when I got off work

 

There's ten things about Sakura, and not ONCE did I mention her chest. Maturity, people. NH fanboys don't have it.

 

Hinata:

 

1- Say Dalton and faint when I walk in the door

 

Gee...it's... nice to see you too, Honey...

Amen brotha.

 

I don't think the guys who downplay Sakura's beauty bc of her bra size really understand what goes into a relationship at all. I mean do they realize that you're supposed to date the girl not her breasts???

 

Sure for myself anyway, beauty plays a factor but chemistry plays a much larger factor when it came to the relationships I've been in. I'd much rather go out with a girl who could actually talk to me, joke around with me, maybe tease once in a while. A girl who pretty much faints everytime we see each other would not make for great company. Besides sex is fun and all but chemistry is what keeps relationships interesting. Eventually sex with the same partner can get boring if you don't enjoy the non-sexual related time you spend with the other person.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:09 AM

Amen brotha.

 

I don't think the guys who downplay Sakura's beauty bc of her bra size really understand what goes into a relationship at all. I mean do they realize that you're supposed to date the girl not her breasts???

 

Sure for myself anyway, beauty plays a factor but chemistry plays a much larger factor when it came to the relationships I've been in. I'd much rather go out with a girl who could actually talk to me, joke around with me, maybe tease once in a while. A girl who pretty much faints everytime we see each other would not make for great company. Besides sex is fun and all but chemistry is what keeps relationships interesting. Eventually sex with the same partner can get boring if you don't enjoy the non-sexual related time you spend with the other person.

 

 

And sadly, most male population are corrupted with that kind of images these day. I'd rather stay single then ended up with some weirdo who'd prefer looks above my own self and being unappreciative.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:12 AM

She going she also would die, the most reasonable thing was for her to no go, not her just going by herself.
Taking Lee, Kiba and Sai were just to locate Naruto and Sasuke, which she shows when she asks where Sasuke is and then puts them to sleep.
She didnt wanted to involve them and it shows clearly on her conversation with Sai that she was planning to do something by herself.
 
Good?
It relied on the fact her poison could work and her being capable of hitting Sasuke, there was no plan B, or C or D in case it fails.
It was pure kamikaze, her poison would not work on Sasuke as Kakashi stated because he worked on Orochimaru even she said during Naruto's training arc that Sasuke might used drugs.

Her plan had many failure points so it would not had worked.
The right thing was her going to tell Naruto what the k11 had decided and bring him back to the village but she didnt wanted to do it because from her POAL she didnt wanted to hurt Naruto anymore, in fact she wanted to take all the blame to herself, her mission since the begining if you haven't noticed it was for her to kill Sasuke and probably mgiht end dying too or even if she escaped make Naruto hate her.
She looked down at herself once again like many times of the manga and decided that she should end this whole team 7 thing by herself.

I'm sorry but you're wrong. You see I already completely and utterly destroyed the argument of Sakura wanting to kill Sasuke from the very beginning in my first rant. But hey let me do it again just for the fun of it.

You see that argument is contraindicated by Sakura's own actions, by the way events took place. You see Sakura going to Naruto first and confessing her love for him was because she wanted Naruto to come back to the village with her, Sakura herself says this. Killing Sasuke was plan B in case plan A which was getting Naruto back to the village, fails.

If Sakura wanted to kill Sasuke from the very beginning then why did she go to Naruto first? It doesn't make any sense regardless of how you want to view this moment. Sakura's own actions contraindicate that argument. The chain of events don't add up.

Unless you want to believe that Sakura already knew that Naruto wasn't going to believe her and call her a liar. And she already knew that bringing Naruto back to the village with her was impossible because Naruto still believes that she loves Sasuke. And the only reason to go to Naruto in the first place, was to tell him that she loves him and she wanted Naruto to know how she feels about him, in case she doesn't return alive from where she was really going to go.

Now Sakura is smart, but even she is not that smart. There is absolutely no way she could possible predict that Naruto wouldn't believe her and call her a liar and refuse to return to his home with her.

 

Now her plan B was simple. Get Sasuke to lower his guard by "joining" him and eventually take advantage of that and kill him. That's it, it's simple and straight forward. Plan B only has two faults, first of all herself because she is like Naruto, she just can't do what is necessary kill Sasuke. And secondly Sasuke because she had no way of knowing that Sasuke was going to kill her regardless if she wanted to join him or not. Sasuke was in his "I want to kill people" mode.


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These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:21 AM

I agree and will also add that she did that also because she wanted her to be the only one that Naruto will hate because she knew how much it would have hurt him if all of his friends were involved in killing him so she took everything on her shoulders for Naruto's sake 

Yep that's how awesome Sakura is. She knew just how hard it was for Naruto to not have friends in his life. So instead of Naruto hating everyone she was ready to redirect all that hate to her. Not leaving Naruto alone.


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Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
 
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 02:51 AM

So, I think Sakura would be a kick @ss mom. And by that, I literally mean she will still be kicking @ss, even as a mom.

 

Can someone give me a small skit on how Sakura would behave with a daughter/son and new baby boy/girl?


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 03:09 AM

Yeah  I think that Sakura is wrong sometimes and lets her emotions take control but seems to be a little more careful with her teammates, is smarter when it comes to help and have much more empathy than other people, I also think that Sakura from the beginning was compassionate in the first part of manga when the arc of  waves Sakura shows concern for the poverty of the people and she wants help so I also disagree with Iwantbuns in this part, because Sakura is a compassionate character

Hinata though a good girl I think she needs to mature a lot, I don't think that she is a developed character as a human being she needs more purpose in life beyond being a fangirl, so far she doesn't seems to show interest in being leader of her clan, appears to show not interest in winning his father, and also not shows interest in other people, and if she cares about other people makes it all aside to give more importance to her feelings, I don't hate her but now I don't like her character, I get the impression that Hinata is to become a fangirl like Sakura in the first part :ermm:


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 03:42 AM

All I can say is this...

 

Just think Sunday as a week of Monday-Sunday, so if you didn't like the chapter, just think this way...........That goes to you, Luffyq1....



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:07 AM

Yeah  I think that Sakura is wrong sometimes and lets her emotions take control but seems to be a little more careful with her teammates, is smarter when it comes to help and have much more empathy than other people, I also think that Sakura from the beginning was compassionate in the first part of manga when the arc of  waves Sakura shows concern for the poverty of the people and she wants help so I also disagree with Iwantbuns in this part, because Sakura is a compassionate character

Hinata though a good girl I think she needs to mature a lot, I don't think that she is a developed character as a human being she needs more purpose in life beyond being a fangirl, so far she doesn't seems to show interest in being leader of her clan, appears to show not interest in winning his father, and also not shows interest in other people, and if she cares about other people makes it all aside to give more importance to her feelings, I don't hate her but now I don't like her character, I get the impression that Hinata is to become a fangirl like Sakura in the first part :ermm:

 

Sakura is a compassionate girl, but sometimes she doesn't show it in the best way. Why do you think, that in most of Part 1, she wasn't very nice to people she didn't know very well? Sakura is a really nice girl, and we can see that a lot in Part 2, as well as many varying moments in Part 1. It's clear that she has a strong caring side. But choices like, fawning after Sasuke, breaking off her friendship with Ino, and wanting to join Sasuke just so she could be with him, while abandoning all her friends, show that she was still very immature in Part 1. Mostly due to Sasuke.

 

Before Part 1 (when they were kids) Sakura was shown to be a shy and insecure girl who could be broken very easily. She still has some of those qualities with her. But somewhere along the way, she grew a backbone, and wasn't as shy as she used to be. She pushed down her insecurities (even though they're still there - due to Sasuke bringing her down all the time), and tries hard not to break down as easily. But Sakura can be a very emotionally driven person. Sakura is the type of person who's constantly changing. I'm not saying she's not compassionate, I know she is, but sometimes she does a lot of things without thinking about how it could affect other people around her (e.g. Naruto).

 

Hinata and Sakura are both caring and loving females. Hinata shows it more quietly, Sakura shows it in more... unusual ways. I'm not saying either female is better than the other. I agree, Hinata does need to mature a little. Hinata is a mature person, but when Naruto is involved these days, she can't seem to think about anything else. Like Sakura in the beginning of the series, Hinata is becoming a little unintentionally selfish when it comes to Naruto. Her morals are there, her personal Hyuga issues are there, her care for other people is there, it's just not coming out as much as it should be. I really do wanna see more improvement from Hinata. But I won't say Sakura's better than Hinata, because Sakura had a lot of her fair share of flaws. I won't say Hinata's better either, because she needs to think more clearly during the war, rather than thinking about Naruto 24/7.


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Why do people NOT ship these two? I just don't get it.

Probably cause they hate Sakura. When she's probably the most developed female character in the whole show.

I respect Hinata, but Sakura deserves some too.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:09 AM

All I can say is this...

 

Just think Sunday as a week of Monday-Sunday, so if you didn't like the chapter, just think this way...........That goes to you, Luffyq1....

Maybe but I'm not expecting much. To be honest I've started to follow the manga with less intensity. Instead of reading it chapter to chapter I'll wait a week or so and than catch up. Idk, to me the story seems to have downgraded a ton and the action isn't as fun as when it was more hand to hand combat based like during the chunin exams.


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:11 AM

I just read Viz's translation over 540. I'm not sure whether to feel sad that Viz mostly change the original translations or happy because the way they translated it can be interpreted as Sasuke not being the someone else. Hell it actually kind of supports Sakura's confession being geniune as well as the gf comment in 631


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:14 AM

Maybe but I'm not expecting much. To be honest I've started to follow the manga with less intensity. Instead of reading it chapter to chapter I'll wait a week or so and than catch up. Idk, to me the story seems to have downgraded a ton and the action isn't as fun as when it was more hand to hand combat based like during the chunin exams.

Actually, I was referring to something else. I mean...well...let's just say there's no more heat going around. Yeah, basically I want those who get my meaning believe that Monday-Sunday week was not a good one. That's all. Lol. I wasn't really referring to the chapter.



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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:16 AM

@luffyq1
 
I never said Hinata was strong or even very well developed. But unlike Hinata, Sakura had to learn to understand other people's feelings. Hinata is just naturally a kind and caring person. She calls her enemy and abuser 'big-brother' and treats him like a favorite sibling. She worships her father despite his disinterest in her, and does everything she can to make him proud. She seems to hold no grudge towards the younger sister who has replaced her in everyone's hearts, and only tries to get better than 'Hanabi-Chan' on her own. She doesn't interact with Sakura much, but she doesn't even seem to resent her for being the only girl in Naruto's heart. She only feels sadness.
 
Sakura however is starting to grow much more selfless and caring towards people as Hinata is, rather than judging a book by its cover (as she used to). You can tell this, by the way she acts more accepting and even protective of Naruto, and is starting to see Sasuke as he really is - meaning not some perfect guy she fell for in the beginning. She shows true compassion and concern for him now. Hinata IS a rational thinker. But while Sakura is getting over Sasuke, Hinata can't get over Naruto, because there's nothing for her to get over from. That's what Hinata doesn't quite understand.
 
Hinata didn't jump up in front of Pein for no good reason. She saw that Naruto was in trouble, and you could say her body "just moved". She didn't do it to cause people to be in trouble, she didn't do it for herself, she did it because she cares deeply about Naruto, and wanted to protect him. She loves him. You can say that her love for him isn't real, but to her it is. And when you love someone you do risky things for them. Sakura's done it, Naruto's done it, heck even Sasuke's done it. Hinata's no different.
 
You're right though. Hinata doesn't understand Naruto. She wants to think she does, but she doesn't. But Hinata's purpose in life isn't to be in a relationship with Naruto. It's to be there for him when he really needs it (which Sakura's already doing for Naruto). Sakura's crush on Sasuke was a lot more shallow than Hinata's to Naruto. Sakura just wanted to be with him for his coolness/looks or whatever... There's a really big difference between Hinata and Sakura. Hinata naturally cares about everyone, which gives her the ability to understand people (similar to Naruto in that way), she does think things through before she does them, because she clearly does not ever want anyone to feel emotionally or even physically hurt by something she does.
 
There are so many instances where Sakura's done something risky or hurtful to other people, without realizing it, or without thinking. Most of the time it involves Sasuke. But like I said, she's starting to really get over him, and is starting to develop a LOT as a person. That's why I think Sakura's a very well developed character, but Hinata is just naturally the many things Sakura could be. But seriously these two, both have a lot of flaws; Sakura's temper, Hinata's shyness. They're different. It's kind of like comparing apples and oranges.
 
They're both great in their own way. They're almost equal in terms of being selfish or selfless at this point.

Though I do not entirely agree with this one, Hinata has earned a +1 from me.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:16 AM

I just read Viz's translation over 540. I'm not sure whether to feel sad that Viz mostly change the original translations or happy because the way they translated it can be interpreted as Sasuke not being the someone else. Hell it actually kind of supports Sakura's confession being geniune as well as the gf comment in 631


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The spoiler doesn't work, but I saw it. 

What makes you think that this translation doesn't imply the person Sakura is refering to is Sasuke?

She is talking about Sasuke, not Naruto. It is denial (I'm not talking about you) to think that first she's talking about Naruto when she says she already loves someone, but then she's thinking about Sasuke when the guy says "good luck he must be great". At least that's my opinion. And her thinking about Sasuke as the one she loves at this state instead of Naruto doesn't bother me, since to me, she still hadn't realize her feelings for Naruto back at the confession. 


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:26 AM

The spoiler doesn't work, but I saw it. 
What makes you think that this translation doesn't imply the person Sakura is refering to is Sasuke?
She is talking about Sasuke, not Naruto. It is denial (I'm not talking about you) to think that first she's talking about Naruto when she says she already loves someone, but then she's thinking about Sasuke when the guy says "good luck he must be great". At least that's my opinion. And her thinking about Sasuke as the one she loves at this state instead of Naruto doesn't bother me, since to me, she still hadn't realize her feelings for Naruto back at the confession.


fixed it. I say it because it's possible like what FireFox says that she could have just been thinking about Sasuke as a counter-example.

It wouldn't really make sense to have Sakura not get over Sasuke from the murder attempts, yet realize she doesn't love him because he's not a great guy.

It's possible that could be that is whats happening , though the problem is I'm not sure how likely that is what the context is supposed to mean. Just like the context of the confession was supposed to seem genuine to the readers instead of just making it look like she was kittening.

I don't think it's possible though that she was subconsciously truthful but just thinking it was BS. It doesn't really make sense especially considering how far SS falls right after this.

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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:35 AM

fixed it. I say it because it's possible like what FireFox says that she could have just been thinking about Sasuke as a counter-example.

It wouldn't really make sense to have Sakura not get over Sasuke from the murder attempts, yet realize she doesn't love him because he's not a great guy.

It's possible that could be that is whats happening , though the problem is I'm not sure how likely that is what the context is supposed to mean. Just like the context of the confession was supposed to seem genuine to the readers instead of just making it look like she was bullsh***ing.

I don't think it's possible though that she was subconsciously truthful but just thinking it was BS. It doesn't really make sense especially considering how far SS falls right after this.

Well agree to disagree. 


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Posted 16 June 2014 - 04:44 AM

Question for you guys:

What do you rather hear from the person you love:

I love someone else. Sorry.

Or

Sorry, I don't love you.




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