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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:53 AM

Now now, Pepsi. Gaara making fun of Naruto and Sakura, once they get together could be great character development for him. ;3

 

@Tekopi It is possible. Considering how close Sakura is tied into the Senju, thanks to Tsunade, then how Hashirama of all people took notice of her strength. That seriously came somewhat out of the left field, IMO, but I liked that it was the first hokage.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 06:04 AM

Just as long as Naruto doesn't do a TNJ with the strongest being in the manga thus far, I'll be happy.

 

In a way...I'm kind of happy Sakura's not doing a whole lot right now. Granted I AM a little pissed off that Kishi just refuses to let her do ANYTHING like the sasorie fight again. But in all honesty, this is probably the LAST fight Sakura needs to take part in.  She's a medic, anyway, she's supposed to be away from the fighting in the first place.



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 06:06 AM

More likely a bunch of 12-year-old pervs who really shouldn't even be on the internet in the first place.
 
I really don't understand the big deal about Hinata's chest size or Sakura's chest size. They're FICTIONAL CHARACTERS for cryin' out loud! What does it matter? Are boobs all that matter to the majority of the male population these days? Is that all they want in women? Sure seems like it. I walk around town for a while, run across a group of teenage boys talking about nothing other than sex and how they'd floop these girls they saw at the theaters or something  :glare: It's driving me nuts! And yet I wonder why I don't have any friends or try to befriend people...guys like them are perfect examples.
 
Point is...I'd pick a girl like Sakura over over a girl like Hinata. Any. Day. Of. The. Week.
 
Sakura could do the following:
 
1-Be fun to be around
 
2-Playful
 
3-Would know my limits
 
4-Would comfort me when I'm down
 
5-Would keep me in line
 
6-Would punish me if I did something bad or stupid...which I have been known to do. 
 
7-Would probably be a good mother. She could teach her kids right from wrong fairly easily, and punish them when they disobeyed her
 
8-Would know how to take care of me if I got hurt...which would be REALLY nice because some of the equipment I work on can be kind of dangerous...
 
9-Smart
 
10-A face I would look forward to coming home to everyday when I got off work
 
There's ten things about Sakura, and not ONCE did I mention her chest. Maturity, people. NH fanboys don't have it.
 
Hinata:
 
1- Say Dalton and faint when I walk in the door
 
Gee...it's... nice to see you too, Honey...

I'd only like to say that not every teenage boy is the same. For the rest of the stuff, I'm with ya :D

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 06:11 AM

More likely a bunch of 12-year-old pervs who really shouldn't even be on the internet in the first place.

 

I really don't understand the big deal about Hinata's chest size or Sakura's chest size. They're FICTIONAL CHARACTERS for cryin' out loud! What does it matter? Are boobs all that matter to the majority of the male population these days? Is that all they want in women? Sure seems like it. I walk around town for a while, run across a group of teenage boys talking about nothing other than sex and how they'd floop these girls they saw at the theaters or something  :glare: It's driving me nuts! And yet I wonder why I don't have any friends or try to befriend people...guys like them are perfect examples.

 

Point is...I'd pick a girl like Sakura over over a girl like Hinata. Any. Day. Of. The. Week.

 

Sakura could do the following:

 

1-Be fun to be around

 

2-Playful

 

3-Would know my limits

 

4-Would comfort me when I'm down

 

5-Would keep me in line

 

6-Would punish me if I did something bad or stupid...which I have been known to do. 

 

7-Would probably be a good mother. She could teach her kids right from wrong fairly easily, and punish them when they disobeyed her

 

8-Would know how to take care of me if I got hurt...which would be REALLY nice because some of the equipment I work on can be kind of dangerous...

 

9-Smart

 

10-A face I would look forward to coming home to everyday when I got off work

 

There's ten things about Sakura, and not ONCE did I mention her chest. Maturity, people. NH fanboys don't have it.

 

Hinata:

 

1- Say Dalton and faint when I walk in the door

 

Gee...it's... nice to see you too, Honey...

I was a huge Hinata fan when I was in my teens for obvious reasons. Then I grew up and realized how empty the character is and felt disgusted that I was even of a fan of hers to begin with. 


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 06:12 AM

Now now, Pepsi. Gaara making fun of Naruto and Sakura, once they get together could be great character development for him. ;3

 

@Tekopi It is possible. Considering how close Sakura is tied into the Senju, thanks to Tsunade, then how Hashirama of all people took notice of her strength. That seriously came somewhat out of the left field, IMO, but I liked that it was the first hokage.

Sadly, I hardly see Gaara doing this kind of things, it would be too OOC. If the CPR has to be brought up by someone, I would bet on Sakura herself. But even if it is not brought up, we still have the moment itself, which is a good thing.

But I'm almost sure it has great chance to be brought up by someone, I mean, it can't be a coincidence, that Kishi choose to do a CPR scene, while it was proved to not be that necessary, since in the next chapter, Sakura was back to only pump his heart with her hand. So either, the CPR purpose was to add an emphasis on the critical situation in which Naruto was, or either it is to make a link between that CPR and Naruto's comment about never having kissed a girl before several chapters ago.

One thing is sure, it is that the CPR did have a purpose, the only thing left to know is which one. 


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:24 AM

 

...or either it is to make a link between that CPR and Naruto's comment about never having kissed a girl before several chapters ago.

this one :chuckle:

 

but I have no idea who will be To bring that topic Gaara? kurama? is funny to think about it xD

 

 

People say that romance tastes in movies and series depend on personal taste in women/men and portraying the kind of relationship you would like to have in real life

Curious because I had a bit of both features Sakura and a little Hinata, my mom says that when my brother was bothered for other children I grabbed a broom and chased everyone  :sweatdrop: also says that as a baby and did not even know walking my cousin tried to scare me with a mask of a monster costume and mom says that I smashed him a botle in the head xD I've always been very "Tsundere" so when I saw Kushina chasing the kids who teased of her or see Sakura chasing Konohamaru gave me a good laugh because reminded me of myself, the funny thing is that before I saw Naruto I like men who are funny, and have a sad past because tend to be spiritually strong so maybe for that I like  NS I can't fake haha.

Hinata makes me remember when I was 10-15 and was very shy and immature, I have very sad memories of those times that people took advantage of me, was always insecure and afraid to be myself, got tired and decided to fight and be myself no matter what happens, I realized that this was not me, I was very boring and very coward, that's why I dislike Hinata is everything you can not afford to be in this life, so I returned to my origin as Tsundere and everything in my life improved considerably towards my adulthood :happy:

Sorry  read of their lives and relate it to their personal tastes inspired me xD I have heard several times from some people that the people who like NS are usually more mature and older people or because NS remind their parents relationships ...

I have not actually checked :sweat:


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 11:05 AM

Sadly, I hardly see Gaara doing this kind of things, it would be too OOC. If the CPR has to be brought up by someone, I would bet on Sakura herself. But even if it is not brought up, we still have the moment itself, which is a good thing.

But I'm almost sure it has great chance to be brought up by someone, I mean, it can't be a coincidence, that Kishi choose to do a CPR scene, while it was proved to not be that necessary, since in the next chapter, Sakura was back to only pump his heart with her hand. So either, the CPR purpose was to add an emphasis on the critical situation in which Naruto was, or either it is to make a link between that CPR and Naruto's comment about never having kissed a girl before several chapters ago.

One thing is sure, it is that the CPR did have a purpose, the only thing left to know is which one. 

 

There is purpose, which is Naruto will make a deal out of it that he get his 'first kiss' from his dream girl. LOL. I think Gaara won't get out of character if Naruto is the one complaining about that matter, or someone tease him regarding being a hero and all, but pity that yet he still didn't score anything about a relationship other than the narusasu 'kiss'. And Gaara will say something along the line. I can't see Sakura to state something like that. She's not the kind that openly say such things in my view. More that we can predict what happen, but to conclude it will do something with the final touch (one of it) for the NS development.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 12:45 PM

Now is the time. Happy Father's Day to all fathers. I'm pretty much going to be absent the whole day. Enjoy your day.



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:30 PM

I read a fanfic where Gaara got involved with the whole CPR thing xD It was funny and cute lol

 

And I think Hinata has a lot of potential to be a strong and determined girl - probably not like Naruto, but maybe better, because Hinata is a rational thinker. Although she's weak, she is pretty smart, when it comes to understanding other people. And I think she probably makes better choices than Sakura. Sakura's intelligent and all, but she has to be more careful about other people's feelings. She cares about people a lot, but sometimes has a difficult way of showing it.

 

I'm just saying this because although Sakura's great, she's not perfect. Both Hinata and Sakura have their flaws, and perfectiions.


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Why do people NOT ship these two? I just don't get it.

Probably cause they hate Sakura. When she's probably the most developed female character in the whole show.

I respect Hinata, but Sakura deserves some too.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 03:50 PM

 

I would use that if we are actually looking at two characters on even stance and how they compare with the choices that they make, but I am rather looking at the arguments people make against one character all because of a certain situation. The Batman vs Superman argument is that many fans see Superman as OP. Well, compared to Batman he is OP because Batman is not a super powered alien that can lift 6.6 sextillion tons.

However, compare Superman to Doomsday or Darkseid and the match is a little bit more even with Superman not looking so OP now.

The point is not the comparison, but the arguments people make. Compare Sakura to Madara and of course she going to look weak. Every person looked weak compared to Madara even Hashirama, but how is this a fair judgement to say that Sakura is weaker than Tsunade when she is being compared to a character that has kicked everyone's ass at least once?

If I compare Sakura and Tsunade right now, I would say that Sakura is stronger if not equal to her because Sakura not only has all of Tsunade's powers, but she is also younger than her.

Compare Sakura to Naruto and Sasuke...Well, here is the hard part. I'd say without a doubt that before they got their hax update, she was on equal footing. After though, of course she looks weaker.
 

Again with this weak argument. "Because she is a main character." I have said this countless times over and over again. She is not the main character. Because she is a main character means she will be involved with the story, but does not mean she will get the most fights or the most screen time.

I could argue that the reason why she is a main character is the reason she got more development than any other female on the cast list. Why do you think she was more involved than Hinata or Ino?

Then here is where you bring up Sasuke and why he got so much attention, but really thinking about it Naruto still got the most attention. There were points in time where Sasuke never made an appearence what so ever. Where was he doing the Pain arc or the Gaara Arc in the beginning of part 2? He barely got mentions at all.

Again, you say "you can't compare them" yet every single time I see everyone comparing Sakura to Hinata or Sasuke or Naruto or Tsunade. Talk about double standards. So yes I can compare them, because everyone else compares her to Naruto and Sasuke. Everyone compares her to everyone else including Tsunade herself.

Then I will say this to everyone else's arguments

"You can't compare Sakura to Naruto and Sasuke because she is only A main character, not THE main character."

All arguments invalid.

Kaoru is a main character too in Ruroni Kenshin, but her involvement is no different to Sakura's situation. She is not there when Kenshin was fighting Lord Shishio nor did she help with the battle at all.
 

 

Well of course, I mean as I said, given Sakuras new powers, ironically we get only a display of her power what she could do at base, like blowing out the majority of the jubbi fission clones was a good example of how powerful she became, likewise with her new abliities using katsuyu and the remote healing. But again, with her new seal being unleashed to bring her up to her strongest, well sadly it was used as a point where we couldnt see it well enough because she tried to nail madara and madara just blocked it and now with kagyua though its not going to be something she could do that would help, I mean we thought madara was bad but as kakashi said, Sakura needs to think and not do anything reckless.

 

But even in the case of the battle itself, its not all about power, I mean when it came to sakura, despite all the treatment, as a heroine, I always say she is a mentally developed one given her uncommon battle times, I mean sasori was fine, the fight with ino was more of a conflict between rivals deal, the event with finding the white zetsu as neji was an example where she is at her best, showed her intelligence more than anything, and with the seal though, we got a good idea of her power but not enough since the lower seal attack only happened once and her strongest form was blocked by madara, but madara is madara, he is super powered already and always broke the rules when he was around. I mean in the entirety of this manga, I never expect Sakura to do the most or the greatest, just a fair amount and thats usually what it is. Even with the current situation, she is still there for reasons that need to be beyond just getting emotional pressure from sasuke and not being able to do anything, I mean then why not have just sent her and kakashi into the tree? I mean sakura is still out and about, the difference between her and most others is that she is free and able to be used in some way if kishi chooses and its again, like any fight, people are going to be focused on naruto and sasuke vs kagyua, not concerned for sakura and kakashi, but its in situations like this, their roles could more or less be what is indirectly the deal that tips the favor for the heroes. I mean again, harry potter, neville was the one to kill voldemorts snake, neville was otherwise a character that many mocked and just looked down on but he became capable over the series and well, he was the one that opened voldemort to being a mortal again and enabled harry to strike him when he was vulnerable. As I said before, because kishi hasnt put kakashi or sakura into the tree and otherwise sakura isnt going to just be out to get emotional pressure and let the reader know that sasuke is a leader who wouldnt care for others deemed unnessesary, she has to have a purpose, some purpose here besides simply being a member of team 7 and that could be something in a varity of reasons as I theorized before, it could be something simple like sakura gets the fruit first (if it appears) because naruto and sasuke occupy kagyua long enough but sakura destroys the fruit preventing kagyua from going further, or it could be something that could otherwise expose a vulnerability, theres a lot of possibility here but the deal is, there is some role battle oriented or not that sakura has because she is still around. I mean should the kages come to help them, even with hashirama being strong enough in his own right to at least supplement naruto and sasuke, there would still need to be something besides them on the sidelines, I mean this isnt the first time we got these deals of sakura being limited and wanting to do more. Usually some stuff has come her way and well, sasuke may just eat his words. I mean in anything else, kishi has given sakura fair attention, not always minor or major but its been inbetween there, it still remains like that as an open possiblity for this situation with kagyua, her role isnt directly for the battle, something indirectly unless by freakish chance a powerup did come her way (doubtful) really i would only be leaning on something that occurs to indirectly help them like when she found the white zetsu as neji. That helped the whole allaince make counter measures of personal space before naruto could arrive to clear the imposters out at each location. But by any means, I am not expecting sakura to go and hit kagyua, I am expecting that she get some role, something simply because she is there and this whole emotional pressure could have been saved for later after the fight. That cannot be her only purpose to suffer abuse from sasuke right now even if it does singal the end of SS, for just the sake of her presence something has to be done. Thats why I always give her a middle ground expectations deal, I dont expect anything big, but I do expect something small that otherwise contributes, this is what has happened with other deals like again, her busting pains centipede, the fake neji, and her actions in the war around chapters 630, 632, and healing the others/working with tsunade. Stuff like that, and yes keeping naruto alive in 663, thats the small to moderate stuff I expect and see from her and well this has otherwise been working for the longest time, I mean she is more mental based and social based as a heroine, not physical but she has the physical capabilities of a heroine but even her power is limited for the fight and as its a shonen, its usually the main hero who has the power ans capability to beat the bad guys. But this is why I keep open to her again, getting that role for being around that could contribute even in some small way to make an impact on the fight itself, thats why I say modeled like with the whole fruit situation, should there be a race for the chakra fruit should it come, its a perfect scenario to what I have described, kagyua wanted it so much, she was defeated because she simply didnt play attention to those she passed as not a threat, the difference always being just cause they dont pose a threat doesnt mean they are not an issue, its like playing any videogame and theres a boss calling for backup, the fodder isnt much of a threat, but there are still extra guys around you and they may be the cause of your defeat because they wore you down and you only focused on the boss. Thats what I mean, and for sakura something like this, finding a weakness, getting support from the edo hokage, making some counter plan, etc there exists a possiblity, a minor possibility sakura will get some role that aids naruto and sasuke against kagyua simply because it just seems to strange why is she here to just suffer emotional abuse and be called useless by sasuke and not have a way to contribute when the other 95% of the cast is gone and team 7 is the last living opposition to kagyua? Naruto and sasuke have the means to take down kagyua, but even they cannot do it alone and thats why for all other matters, sakura and kakashi should have some contribution like role for the situation at hand, give or take there should be a role for them as this fight goes on. I'm not expecting sakura to do a gamechanger, just more of a reveal or event that gives naruto and sasuke the chance to beat her down or hinder her, whatever it is, I'm as I said before, expecting a minor to moderate event for her in the last humans on earth event to face kagyua, something in the short run that helps in the long run. And this is perfectly possible.



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Posted 15 June 2014 - 04:52 PM

Neville part when he destroys the last Horrocrux and Voldemort become mortal was awsome I think this was the best surprises in Harry Potter, I also love a role like that with Sakura character

But with Kishimoto you never know, I also think it's there for a reason probably take time but I am very patient with her, I think the mistake is to see her as a super-human when in fact Kishi said that it's just a human being with great emotional weakness and therefore her actions as heroin makes it more great, is curious if however that despite being emotionally weak she can confront Sasori, a hundred feet or even face Madara knowing that at any moment could kill her ,she has guts! but when it comes to her feelings is very vulnerable, that's why her character is unpredictable, now it intrigues me more than Naruto or Sasuke xD two of them more or less I can understand their actions but Sakura is always a mystery her complexity is very similar and close to human being is more difficult to predict what she will do.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:10 PM

I read a fanfic where Gaara got involved with the whole CPR thing xD It was funny and cute lol
 
And I think Hinata has a lot of potential to be a strong and determined girl - probably not like Naruto, but maybe better, because Hinata is a rational thinker. Although she's weak, she is pretty smart, when it comes to understanding other people. And I think she probably makes better choices than Sakura. Sakura's intelligent and all, but she has to be more careful about other people's feelings. She cares about people a lot, but sometimes has a difficult way of showing it.
 
I'm just saying this because although Sakura's great, she's not perfect. Both Hinata and Sakura have their flaws, and perfectiions.

She's very determined I'll give you that, but no amount of training would I ever deem her to be strong. She finally learned a technique that Neji already mastered 2-3 years ago. She'll obviously improved in 2-3 more years, but I still wouldn't even be impressed.
 
Sakura has definitely made some mistakes. But rational thinker, smart and understanding people? I would not be so quick to put her in that category. When it comes to Naruto logic disappears. Sure, when it comes to his nindo she has her moments where she's on the same page of Naruto for a brief moment, but overall she knows little about Naruto. A good example of her lack of knowledge about Naruto is shown here

You can't say there's understanding of other people because there is only one person she understands, and she barely understands that one person. There are no thoughts about what Naruto wants such as being Hokage and saving Sasuke. Just little ol' nindo and that's it. 
 
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Remember this scene?
That is where it all started. The choice she made in confessing to Naruto that led to her 'apparent' death, which triggered Naruto in unleashing 6 tails, which could have laid waste to an already damaged Konoha, which didn't happen since luckily Minato put in a fail safe just in case something like that were to ever occur. And to top it all off the one person who said what she did was wrong was non other than Sakura.
Now I'm not gonna pretend that Sakura hasn't done some pretty stupid kitten that could have had dire consequences. But no amount of stupidity has ever made her make a choice where she potentially put the lives of hundreds in danger, intentionally or not.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 05:39 PM

I won't say Hinata is stupid. She is all kind, carin, non judgemental and all that. But that qualities of her become useful when she thinks of everyone before Naruto. For her Naruto is above everyone which is good in a way. But that attitude becomes obsession when it crosses certain limit. She may love Naruto for all I care but if I were to love anyone, I'd think of them first and then myself. I'd check whether there is some reciprocation or whether the opposite party has some interest in me. But Hinata always thinks of herself when her love is concerned. I'd do this and that and this and that too and yes, kittenin this too. What about Naruto? Does he want to do it? Perhaps if she could have considered that then probably she'd be better as a character. The mistake what Sakura is doing with Sasuke is the same as what Hinata is doing with Naruto. Her obsession to Naruto is spelling the doom of her character, the same as Sakura's obsession with Sasuke which btw is a bit different from Hinata. I think it will be a bit odd to compare Sakura and Hinata because both of them are like poles apart. But, if you'd ask me....I'd prefer Sakura anytime, anywhere, anyhow and in any condition of the day

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 06:40 PM

Yeah!

 

Sakura can be so in love with anyone, but never put anyone else in danger, a good example of that was in confession, when she decides to protect Naruto and kill Sasuke (above any feelings for Sasuke ) enlists the help of Kiba and company but when the battle gets everyone is in sleeping potion because she does not want to put anyone in danger for her decision to kill sasuke, only endanger her life.

The arc of the war she can only thinking as fangirl only for one man while war destroys her people but She does not she protect all the people and heals all that are possible, I love how she heal Shikamaru and care for all, which she is extremely worried about Naruto but does not indifferent to others' pain and her colleagues.

This is where is the huge difference between Sakura and Hinata , Sakura cares about everyone and keeps special care of Naruto and Sasuke while the other is a fangirl of one man.

So Kishimoto said angrily: Hinata! Hinata all the time! I said is not Hinata is Sakura the real heroin

 

I can't forget Kishimoto words :yes:

 

By the way I just quote Erich Fromm in his book "art of loving":  

 

 

Love is not fundamentally a relationship with a specific person; is an attitude, an orientation of character which determines the type of a person's relationship with the world as a whole, not as a love object, if a person loves only one and is indifferent to the rest of people, his love is not love if a symbiotic relationship, or an enlarged egotism, most people assume that love is constituted by a single object, not by a faculty ...

If I really love a person, I love all people, love the world, I love life, if I can tell someone "I love you" I should be able to say "I love all  people in you," Through you love everyone, in you I also love myself.

 

(I love this book , I fully recomend you guys :thumb:)


Edited by JILLNYN, 15 June 2014 - 06:44 PM.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 06:53 PM

@JILLNYN: Glad to see another fan of The Art Of Loving. :-)

Anyway, Hinata needs a boost in self confidence and the exit to Naruto's tunnel vision. These two factors could lead her to potentially becone a great character and of course, it would be the requisite needed for her to.lead her clan.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 07:34 PM

Yeah!
 
Sakura can be so in love with anyone, but never put anyone else in danger, a good example of that was in confession, when she decides to protect Naruto and kill Sasuke (above any feelings for Sasuke ) enlists the help of Kiba and company but when the battle gets everyone is in sleeping potion because she does not want to put anyone in danger for her decision to kill sasuke, only endanger her life.

It's a double edged sword, Hinata did something similar on the pain arc and she was criticized for putting her own life at the stake and making Naruto feel guilty of her possible death.
She was desperate, and Sakura on this moment was desperate too.
Her planning to kill Sasuke was weak since the start and it was obviously pointed by Kakashi, if Sakura was on her right mind she would have done a better plan but sometimes she let her emotions take the best of her on that time.

We all know the right decision which was pointed by Kiba, which was for her to tell Naruto to MAN UP! and stop chasing Sasuke instead of a fake confession.
On which allowed Naruto to turn the table and inquiry Sakura on which replied he should worry more about himself and go home, which was one of the proofs that the confession wasnt true and it allowed Naruto to change the topic and end with Sakura leaving due to her innability of convincing Naruto.

About Kiba and her teammates, she needed them to locate Naruto and Sasuke, she didnt had any intentions of killing inside because the scene when she arrives tells that she was hesitant and didnt believed that they needed to kill Sasuke at first, her faultering at the begining tells everything, she was evaluating if he was really evil to make the decision to kill him.
She only decided to kill Sasuke after she was cornered when he demanded a proof of loyalty.

Not going to downplay there, she acted as an heroine but it's limited to the emotional aspect of being capable of leaving her feelings for Sasuke behind for Naruto's wellbeing.
But after that it was her desperate attempt of wanting to do something right, blaming herself for Naruto's misery on which is his own fault.

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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:06 PM

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I never said Hinata was strong or even very well developed. But unlike Hinata, Sakura had to learn to understand other people's feelings. Hinata is just naturally a kind and caring person. She calls her enemy and abuser 'big-brother' and treats him like a favorite sibling. She worships her father despite his disinterest in her, and does everything she can to make him proud. She seems to hold no grudge towards the younger sister who has replaced her in everyone's hearts, and only tries to get better than 'Hanabi-Chan' on her own. She doesn't interact with Sakura much, but she doesn't even seem to resent her for being the only girl in Naruto's heart. She only feels sadness.

 

Sakura however is starting to grow much more selfless and caring towards people as Hinata is, rather than judging a book by its cover (as she used to). You can tell this, by the way she acts more accepting and even protective of Naruto, and is starting to see Sasuke as he really is - meaning not some perfect guy she fell for in the beginning. She shows true compassion and concern for him now. Hinata IS a rational thinker. But while Sakura is getting over Sasuke, Hinata can't get over Naruto, because there's nothing for her to get over from. That's what Hinata doesn't quite understand.

 

Hinata didn't jump up in front of Pein for no good reason. She saw that Naruto was in trouble, and you could say her body "just moved". She didn't do it to cause people to be in trouble, she didn't do it for herself, she did it because she cares deeply about Naruto, and wanted to protect him. She loves him. You can say that her love for him isn't real, but to her it is. And when you love someone you do risky things for them. Sakura's done it, Naruto's done it, heck even Sasuke's done it. Hinata's no different.

 

You're right though. Hinata doesn't understand Naruto. She wants to think she does, but she doesn't. But Hinata's purpose in life isn't to be in a relationship with Naruto. It's to be there for him when he really needs it (which Sakura's already doing for Naruto). Sakura's crush on Sasuke was a lot more shallow than Hinata's to Naruto. Sakura just wanted to be with him for his coolness/looks or whatever... There's a really big difference between Hinata and Sakura. Hinata naturally cares about everyone, which gives her the ability to understand people (similar to Naruto in that way), she does think things through before she does them, because she clearly does not ever want anyone to feel emotionally or even physically hurt by something she does.

 

There are so many instances where Sakura's done something risky or hurtful to other people, without realizing it, or without thinking. Most of the time it involves Sasuke. But like I said, she's starting to really get over him, and is starting to develop a LOT as a person. That's why I think Sakura's a very well developed character, but Hinata is just naturally the many things Sakura could be. But seriously these two, both have a lot of flaws; Sakura's temper, Hinata's shyness. They're different. It's kind of like comparing apples and oranges.

 

They're both great in their own way. They're almost equal in terms of being selfish or selfless at this point.


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Why do people NOT ship these two? I just don't get it.

Probably cause they hate Sakura. When she's probably the most developed female character in the whole show.

I respect Hinata, but Sakura deserves some too.


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 08:31 PM

 

It's a double edged sword, Hinata did something similar on the pain arc and she was criticized for putting her own life at the stake and making Naruto feel guilty of her possible death.
She was desperate, and Sakura on this moment was desperate too.
Her planning to kill Sasuke was weak since the start and it was obviously pointed by Kakashi, if Sakura was on her right mind she would have done a better plan but sometimes she let her emotions take the best of her on that time.

We all know the right decision which was pointed by Kiba, which was for her to tell Naruto to MAN UP! and stop chasing Sasuke instead of a fake confession.
On which allowed Naruto to turn the table and inquiry Sakura on which replied he should worry more about himself and go home, which was one of the proofs that the confession wasnt true and it allowed Naruto to change the topic and end with Sakura leaving due to her innability of convincing Naruto.

About Kiba and her teammates, she needed them to locate Naruto and Sasuke, she didnt had any intentions of killing inside because the scene when she arrives tells that she was hesitant and didnt believed that they needed to kill Sasuke at first, her faultering at the begining tells everything, she was evaluating if he was really evil to make the decision to kill him.
She only decided to kill Sasuke after she was cornered when he demanded a proof of loyalty.

Not going to downplay there, she acted as an heroine but it's limited to the emotional aspect of being capable of leaving her feelings for Sasuke behind for Naruto's wellbeing.
But after that it was her desperate attempt of wanting to do something right, blaming herself for Naruto's misery on which is his own fault.          

of coourse!  Sakura decision and her strategy was wrong, definitely agree that at the time she was desperate and let her emotions take control, but my point is that despite the fact that she was in that state of desperation did not leave that Kiba and the others put their lives at risk in her strategy she did not know if her plan was to working demo but not going to let this die outsiders.
Hinata on the other hand also let his emotions take control of her actions, without thinking that it could cause more problems, there were people of her clan who protected her and not thought that  Naruto explicitly said that he wanted that NOBODY intervene in the battle but didn't care for her and her feelings dominate her actions.
Both acted out of desperation and plans were wrong that hurt the situation but what differentiates one from the other in my opinion is that Sakura also thought of the people around her, she thought more on her teammates to put them under a soporific effect to avoid endangering their lifes


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Posted 15 June 2014 - 09:02 PM

Both acted out of desperation and plans were wrong that hurt the situation but what differentiates one from the other in my opinion is that Sakura also thought of the people around her, she thought more on her teammates to put them under a soporific effect to avoid endangering their lifes

That's the difference pointed on your post but i'll disagree that she thought about the lives of her comrades because she put them to sleep.
In face she was selfish because they had agreed to kill Sasuke, on their notion but Sakura wanted to do that alone by herself, she thought it was her responsability not theirs.
Hence why later Kakashi told Sakura to apologize.
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Posted 15 June 2014 - 09:13 PM

That's the difference pointed on your post but i'll disagree that she thought about the lives of her comrades because she put them to sleep.
In face she was selfish because they had agreed to kill Sasuke, on their notion but Sakura wanted to do that alone by herself, she thought it was her responsability not theirs.
Hence why later Kakashi told Sakura to apologize.

Yeah but here's the thing. If all of them went to Sasuke and started fighting him, they would've been dead. It doesn't matter how powerful Lee, Sakura, Kiba and Sai are, Sasuke would just murder them.

Sakura's plan was good, it failed but it was good. She went alone and tried to convince Sasuke that she wants to join him, so he can lower his guard and she kills him.

Through her actions she saved them. But sadly she failed in delivering the blow to Sasuke.


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These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.





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