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[tricksie]

 

I've kind of wondered about that as well. The class that Naruto 'graduates' with is the same age as he is, but if Naruto had failed to pass two times before the first time we meet him, does that mean Naruto started the Academy two years earlier than the others? Or did Hiruzen put Naruto in an accelerated class to have him out of the Academy quicker?

 

Yeah, there absolutely could've/should've been a revisit of the beginning of the manga to resolve a lot of things in the end. Why Naruto fell for Sakura, what shaped him in the beginning, what happened when he was flunking and retaking the genin exams, etc.

 

Instead of going back and filling in the gaps on Naruto's story, however, we got flashbacks from HInata's storyline that never happened in the first place. Her getting bullied, her getting saved by Naruto, etc. etc. Thanks. Thanks a lot. 

 

Just as I never doubted that the story would end on NS, I never doubted that Kishimoto wouldn't go back and fill in the gaps on Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke's formative years. Perhaps even a chapter paralleling their early Team 7 missions with their final reunion as Team 7 for the war. How they were the same (bonds) and how they'd changed (NS instead of SS; Sasuke finally recognizing their strengths, individually and as a team). The fact the Kishimoto didn't do this, resolve old issues or bring the beginning of the story full circle, is just a mark of how little he cared about the story in the end. 

 

It didn't matter what he did, because looming behind Kaguya was the biggest villain of all: Hinata. None of us saw that coming. And Kishi no longer cared.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

Yeah, there absolutely could've/should've been a revisit of the beginning of the manga to resolve a lot of things in the end. Why Naruto fell for Sakura, what shaped him in the beginning, what happened when he was flunking and retaking the genin exams, etc.

 

Instead of going back and filling in the gaps on Naruto's story, however, we got flashbacks from HInata's storyline that never happened in the first place. Her getting bullied, her getting saved by Naruto, etc. etc. Thanks. Thanks a lot. 

 

Just as I never doubted that the story would end on NS, I never doubted that Kishimoto wouldn't go back and fill in the gaps on Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke's formative years. Perhaps even a chapter paralleling their early Team 7 missions with their final reunion as Team 7 for the war. How they were the same (bonds) and how they'd changed (NS instead of SS; Sasuke finally recognizing their strengths, individually and as a team). The fact the Kishimoto didn't do this, resolve old issues or bring the beginning of the story full circle, is just a mark of how little he cared about the story in the end. 

 

It didn't matter what he did, because looming behind Kaguya was the biggest villain of all: Hinata. None of us saw that coming. And Kishi no longer cared.

I actually consider the idea that Hinata's "memories" we see in the genjutsu are not her actual true memories, but rather fantasies that she conjured up after learning about how Sakura went through such things, but simply replacing herself with Sakura, and she just kept replaying and fantasizing about such things over and over so much that she truly came to believe that it all actually happened herself while the reality of those times are just lost in the recesses of her subconscious, much like what can happen with people who lie a lot; they come to believe the very lies they themselves created to misinform others (what a lot of people say about the Republican Party today). Like, she could have been having one of those bad days with her father or Neji or something, so she basically made up the day being completely different in her mind in order to escape that darker reality.

[rocci]

@slyninjaknight
May fan asking the same question, which sometime I ignore.
If naruto is a failure because he doesn't pass the exam two times, then how could he pass along with sasuke and sakura who are the genius and smart girl. So it's like both of them are failure just like naruto since they graduate at the same time.

Oh and naruto enter the school at the same time with the other student and I don't think kishi care enough to retcon it.

@tricksie
It would be answer if NS become canon. Which doesn't happen so it's up in the air.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Yeah, there absolutely could've/should've been a revisit of the beginning of the manga to resolve a lot of things in the end. Why Naruto fell for Sakura, what shaped him in the beginning, what happened when he was flunking and retaking the genin exams, etc.

 

Instead of going back and filling in the gaps on Naruto's story, however, we got flashbacks from HInata's storyline that never happened in the first place. Her getting bullied, her getting saved by Naruto, etc. etc. Thanks. Thanks a lot. 

 

Just as I never doubted that the story would end on NS, I never doubted that Kishimoto wouldn't go back and fill in the gaps on Naruto-Sakura-Sasuke's formative years. Perhaps even a chapter paralleling their early Team 7 missions with their final reunion as Team 7 for the war. How they were the same (bonds) and how they'd changed (NS instead of SS; Sasuke finally recognizing their strengths, individually and as a team). The fact the Kishimoto didn't do this, resolve old issues or bring the beginning of the story full circle, is just a mark of how little he cared about the story in the end. 

 

It didn't matter what he did, because looming behind Kaguya was the biggest villain of all: Hinata. None of us saw that coming. And Kishi no longer cared.

 

Oh, babe, that last part is epic!!

[tricksie]

I actually consider the idea that Hinata's "memories" we see in the genjutsu are not her actual true memories, but rather fantasies that she conjured up after learning about how Sakura went through such things, but simply replacing herself with Sakura, and she just kept replaying and fantasizing about such things over and over so much that she truly came to believe that it all actually happened herself while the reality of those times are just lost in the recesses of her subconscious, much like what can happen with people who lie a lot; they come to believe the very lies they themselves created to misinform others (what a lot of people say about the Republican Party today). Like, she could have been having one of those bad days with her father or Neji or something, so she basically made up the day being completely different in her mind in order to escape that darker reality.

Oh that's good! Hinata's 'memories' are just her fantasies. That would make sense of why they're so one-sided. And why Naruto is a sweet, empathetic, caring young kid, instead of the bone-headed troublemaker that he truly was. He may have had the raw materials to become a hero, but he was no where near it then. And he was certainly no caring casanova.

 

Naruto from the beginning of the manga was a bull-headed prankster who flunked his tests. Hinata's parents most certainly would have warned her to stay away from him. And caring? Nope. He crushed on Sakura, but nothing more. Hinata wasn't even on his radar. It wasn't until after Team 7, in the save Sasuke arc, that Naruto really cemented his love for Sakura. 

 

Hinata's memories of Naruto (which Naruto doesn't remember at all, btw) reflect a caring Naruto that we've never saw in the manga, and still doesn't exist now. How could the empathetic boy of her memories be the same Naruto that crushed on Sakura only to compete for Sasuke's attention, and then forgets her as if she were ramen! It doesn't make sense!

 

I like your idea that these are Hinata's fantasies, and nothing more. Now this makes sense!!

 

@slyninjaknight
May fan asking the same question, which sometime I ignore.
If naruto is a failure because he doesn't pass the exam two times, then how could he pass along with sasuke and sakura who are the genius and smart girl. So it's like both of them are failure just like naruto since they graduate at the same time.

Oh and naruto enter the school at the same time with the other student and I don't think kishi care enough to retcon it.

@tricksie
It would be answer if NS become canon. Which doesn't happen so it's up in the air.

Yes, you're right - how could Naruto compete or even keep up with the most talented clan heir of their year and the smartest girl in the class? There is much more of Naruto's story to be told, and the ending was the perfect time to shed light on those early experiences. But nope!

 

 

Oh, babe, that last part is epic!!

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

 

Edited by Bryon_Konoha_Ninja, 02 December 2015 - 03:18 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

 

I've kind of wondered about that as well. The class that Naruto 'graduates' with is the same age as he is, but if Naruto had failed to pass two times before the first time we meet him, does that mean Naruto started the Academy two years earlier than the others? Or did Hiruzen put Naruto in an accelerated class to have him out of the Academy quicker?

 

But then again, with the timeline, I doubt we will ever get a concise answer. I mean look at how they (Kishi, SP) went back and ruined the timeline with the 'genjutsu flashbacks' in the Last and all the fillers that have tried to fill in the pre-manga time.

I think that was to establish how much a failure Naruto was early on "Oh Naruto such a failure that he had already failed it two times." But after that kishi didn't give it much thought afterwards. Look at kakashi he originally became a chunin at age 6, but i can't figure if he's becoming a chunin or a jounin in obito's flashback.

 

I think most people have accepted that Naruto was either entered the academy earlier than everyone else or to boast how good he is he took the exam early to show off and failed both times.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 02 December 2015 - 04:38 AM.

[rocci]

@trickstie
I don't think it could be solved with the ending since it's not a mystery like how could naruto like sakura in the first place. It's more like a plot hole.

@bail
It's a retcon from databook. Kakashi now graduate from academy ninja at the same age as naruto and he become a chunin at that year and become a jounin next year. I will not surprise if kishi retcon itachi graduate age like when sasuke graduate (12/13).

It can't happen. Naruto enter the academy at the same year with others. At the age of 6 or 7. Naruto is not a genius so he will not enter at the age of 5.
While the latter would be more logical, it will create a question like why sasuke doesn't graduate earlier?

Edited by rocci, 02 December 2015 - 04:49 AM.

[HokageSoulReaper]

Heh, I see even after a year the clustereff ending of Naruto still causes much controversy among those of us that can see how Kishimoto sold the series (which kinda failed miserably and ruined the series way more that some of its developments may have done so to the eyes of some)

 

I still expect Kishi to do what I call "a JK Rowling lol" and admit he should have paired Naruto with Sakura as he wanted/intended instead of changing things/giving in to pressure from his bosses

 

I like that idea of Hinata being so delusional she created false memories........but at the same time it creeps me out she got so obsessed with Naruto her mind went that far........I mean if she truly loved him she should have been ok with the idea of Naruto not being with her as long as he was happy

 

I admit I do have a small interest in seeing what's coming for the series overall, but expectations of it being even decent at least are low after all the doodoo the series has been through

[Hanabi]

What does it mean when naruto doesn't pass genin exam three times?

it might not be a yearly exam, maybe three exams in one year

[Shadow1275]

What does it mean when naruto doesn't pass genin exam three times?

It means you have a Baka for a hokage.

 

Aho Ni Toriau Baka

[rocci]

it might not be a yearly exam, maybe three exams in one year

I guess, but doesn't it only make sasuke stupid to not graduate the first and second exam?

[Nostradamus]

It means you have a Baka for a hokage.

 

Aho Ni Toriau Baka

Well technically speaking Naruto didn't even end up Hokage. That honor belonged to Konohamaru. Because lets take away everything from Naruto.

I mean who the hell even cares about that loser? This story is all about Sasuke and Hinata.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

I like that idea of Hinata being so delusional she created false memories........but at the same time it creeps me out she got so obsessed with Naruto her mind went that far........I mean if she truly loved him she should have been ok with the idea of Naruto not being with her as long as he was happy

 

Tell me about it. XP She seemed happy when Naruto was hugged by Sakura after the fight with Nagato, and yet canon indicates she can't be happy for him if it isn't with her.

[totherpage95]

 

Tell me about it. XP She seemed happy when Naruto was hugged by Sakura after the fight with Nagato, and yet canon indicates she can't be happy for him if it isn't with her.

that's why they had to make her ooc in the last. 

[Catra]

plus she said she'd stop following i think when everyone ran to him during the battle royal that shouldnt be called a war.

 

then she stuttered I WANNA BE BY NARUTO'S SIDE TOO! ME FIRST ME FIRST MEMEME THIS IS MY STORY FORGET YOU MINE MINE MINE

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

that's why they had to make her ooc in the last. 

 

Yup as well as Sakura and Naruto and everyone else involved.

 

plus she said she'd stop following i think when everyone ran to him during the battle royal that shouldnt be called a war.

 

then she stuttered I WANNA BE BY NARUTO'S SIDE TOO! ME FIRST ME FIRST MEMEME THIS IS MY STORY FORGET YOU MINE MINE MINE

 

Yeah, no kidding. And she did say that, but I guess she's a hypocrite like everyone else is. Plus how sad is it a side character has to go and ruin everything like this!? Even Ginny in Harry Potter didn't ruin everything, and she wasn't so reliant on needing to be with Harry that she was willing to be with other people. And yeah, they ended up together, but at least it wasn't some dumb bullcrap like we got with The Last.

 

I'm feeling particularly pissy of late due to some posts I've seen on Tumblr, and reminders of how people find this acceptable when it is not acceptable as an ending!

[DeathGodMack]

So i heard that Kish will change the ending to Narusaku,is that true?

[rocci]

So i heard that Kish will change the ending to Narusaku,is that true?

No.
Do you have the the source for that?

[DeathGodMack]

No.
Do you have the the source for that?

No just something i heard.