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[luffyq1]

Close but not quite.

Thanks for the birthday wishes everyone!

lol I'm gonna have to take you out drinking for your bday, but I'm not sure if my bar serves Pesi.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Basically establishing what really is and not being subtle about it. No more confusion...at least from Kishi's end of it.

Exactly. He wanted to make it clear as possible. Remember, he is the guy that wants no holes to be left uncovered. Now that's covered, you even noticed that things are setting up such as Edo Hokages are getting ready, Naruto understanding Sasuke, and the battle finally begins. So yeah, things will move on from this point forward.

For the record, when you think about it, Kaguya is smart and dangerous not because of her power but she knows what to do. She using Byakugan in a smart way because Hyuuga is probably like "We know vital points, but we can't do much unless we're close since our blood pretty much can give us that length." For Kaguya, she has all, so all her attacks can be like critical hits everytime. That's dangerous stuff.

[Nostradamus]

To put it plainly Kishimoto sucks at writing Sakura. Simple and straight to the point.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

 

Again with this weak argument. "Because she is a main character." I have said this countless times over and over again. She is not the main character. Because she is a main character means she will be involved with the story, but does not mean she will get the most fights or the most screen time.

I could argue that the reason why she is a main character is the reason she got more development than any other female on the cast list. Why do you think she was more involved than Hinata or Ino?

Then here is where you bring up Sasuke and why he got so much attention, but really thinking about it Naruto still got the most attention. There were points in time where Sasuke never made an appearence what so ever. Where was he doing the Pain arc or the Gaara Arc in the beginning of part 2? He barely got mentions at all.

Again, you say "you can't compare them" yet every single time I see everyone comparing Sakura to Hinata or Sasuke or Naruto or Tsunade. Talk about double standards. So yes I can compare them, because everyone else compares her to Naruto and Sasuke. Everyone compares her to everyone else including Tsunade herself.

Then I will say this to everyone else's arguments

"You can't compare Sakura to Naruto and Sasuke because she is only A main character, not THE main character."

All arguments invalid.

Kaoru is a main character too in Ruroni Kenshin, but her involvement is no different to Sakura's situation. She is not there when Kenshin was fighting Lord Shishio nor did she help with the battle at all.
 

 

Weak argument? Okay then. You are putting an awful lot of words in my mouth and totally missing the point. I never, never said Sakura was 'the' main character, nor do I expect her to be treated like she is.  And oh my god, where did I ever bring up Sasuke?! Of course Naruto is the one who's gotten the most attention out of the three of them, he is the main character. I'm really not sure what point you're even trying to make.

 

Compare Sakura to whomever you want, but regardless I say comparing her to Karin is ridiculous. They are nowhere the same level of importance or development. Same goes for comparisons of Sakura to Hinata, by the way. 

Edited by BakeNeko-Chan, 13 June 2014 - 04:38 PM.

[luffyq1]

To put it plainly Kishimoto sucks at writing Sakura. Simple and straight to the point.

Do you think there will be more self-esteem blows in the next chapter that leads to nowhere again? 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Um, is this place about to turn into a civil war? To think, a drop of a pin can start a war?

[Don-kun]

Me and another DA user.

 

 

A DA user: was talking about Naruto and Sakura being like brother and Sister.

 

Me: They cannot be bros because Naruto loves Sakura

 

Him: Naruto already understand that Sakura will never love him so now they are like brother and Sister Naruto no longer loves her.

 

Me: Am done

[Nostradamus]

Do you think there will be more self-esteem blows in the next chapter that leads to nowhere again? 

Oh Definitely. Probably Sakura is going to witness how useless Naruto and Sasuke's attacks on Kaguya are, and she's going to say something like "Wow this strange woman is amazing even Sasuke-kun and Naruto can't touch her, and if they cannot touch her then what can I do? It's true I am so useless. "   

The sad part is this is that this not really that farfetched.

[luffyq1]

Me and another DA user.

 

 

A DA user: was talking about Naruto and Sakura being like brother and Sister.

 

Me: They cannot be bros because Naruto loves Sakura

 

Him: Naruto already understand that Sakura will never love him so now they are like brother and Sister Naruto no longer loves her.

 

Me: Am done

You know, if people see NS as a bro/sis relationship, they're basically admitting to how close they are. I rarely see anyone refer to NH as the bro/sis because they know they don't display nearly the level of closeness that NS displays. No pairing in the series can touch NS intimacy.

 

Oh Definitely. Probably Sakura is going to witness how useless Naruto and Sasuke's attacks on Kaguya are, and she's going to say something like "Wow this strange woman is amazing even Sasuke-kun and Naruto can't touch her, and if they cannot touch her then what can I do? It's true I am so useless. "   

The sad part is this is that this not really that farfetched.

lol I bet if you posted that as a spoiler it would be believable  .

[narusaku256]

You know, if people see NS as a bro/sis relationship, they're basically admitting to how close they are. I rarely see anyone refer to NH as the bro/sis because they know they don't display nearly the level of closeness that NS displays. No pairing in the series can touch NS intimacy.

I am so very much with you on this one! NS ftw man! I mean seriously....kitten....THE.....WAY!

[Inferno180]

Part of the problem with Sakura's power right now it's well, one part we haven't seen enough of it, with her weaker form we saw some of the power she had, with the stronger form she is using right now, it was blocked by Madara so that's the other deal. I mean is she stronger than tsunade, more of less given her chakra control so she can use the seal in full. Maybe it would have been a fair difference if Madara only had one rinnegan but that wasn't the case.

Otherwise yes Kishi remember he isn't good with female characters in action sequences save for the tusnade, Sakura's fight with sasori and any other small action moments he has given sakura, I mean they were not like the sasori fight where she shined but stuff like how she found the fake zetsu, that's where he showcases her best. She is smart enough to catch on and show her intellengence and then just decieve the enemy who was deceiving everyone else, it's time like that Kishi makes sakura in other aspects, at her best, yet because these events are uncommon, the majority of people who either ignore her or just hate sakura always forget that whenever sakura is sidelined or just given a position for something else like the land of iron or her negativity reactions to Sasuke right now, they just rule her out as not important or useless. The case of the deal is, Kishi has made sakura a character with a lot of power, I mean she has kage level strength at this point, but the deal is he just hasn't been able to make much use of her when he just pumped up Madara and kagyua and being a shouen, the heroes get pumped up too, but hers wasn't as much, I mean in this past year since 632 sakura has gotten some fair time like busting the majority if the fission clones from the jubbi but rather than praise her, everyone bashes her because she was caught off guard yet still praises others they think Kishi handles better like hinata (honestly don't even get me started on her, you all know I am disappointed on how disjointed hinata is). Otherwise yes other examples of where she was good is when her medical skills actually came to a critical point in helping to save naruto. In the case of right now, there isn't much she can do, besides well heal anyone who gets hurt, I mean people say naruto just replaced her with his eye replacement moment and how he saved guy. But others have come to the conclusion that narutos is more on only replacement, not restoration, naruto was only able to replace what was lost, he didn't outright heal guy or restore his leg now. Basically people say sakura still fixes things, she can only fix something if it's there like what any medical ninjutsu does, narutos is replacement which can only restore what was lost entirely, he didn't outright heal guy, guy is still a charred mass from using the 8 gates, otherwise this deal was chakra related, not outright physical based as the eye was.

Also again in the current situation, while it is slow for sakura right now, it's just an intermediary point as the fight with kagyua still just began and is still in it's early phase, I mean the fight with obito as the jubbi jinchurki lasted about 20 chapters, from 637 about to 657. Look at Madara, same deal, when he became the big threat after being revived in 658, he went away in 679 just about 20 chapters later, but his fight made the alliance and heroes play defensive. Now the heroes are in a bind in the current situation as Kayuga who is even stronger appeared and everyone else is trapped in the genjutsu, so maybe this will all end by chapter 699 or maybe Madara will resurface because it's not outright stated he was killed.

But back on sakura, you all know as well as I do, that because the current situation is kagyua, why would Kishi draw sakura in this situation focused in the negativity with Sasuke? It's to set up a future event beyond this fight, I mean 635 was set up long ago before the fight with obito as the jinchurki began, it's all been moving in a small process. But there's also got to be a reason as said before, why she is here, because honestly like how nh fans ranted endlessly at 631, when it came down to it, Kishi could have saved or forgone the Kushina stuff entirely, just made the girlfriend moment purely for comic relief nothing Kushina intended or even had minato meet hinata, but he didn't. In this case, he could save this Sasuke negativity for later by all means, but why put it on sakura for now? Well that's for future stuff, perhaps in the gravity of this last hope for humanity deal with Sasuke not showing concern for her or Kakashi, it could otherwise be putting emphasis on just how goal driven Sasuke is when it comes to him with stakes being very dire, he is willing to let others fall only so he and whoever else is nessessary can succeed. This could otherwise just be telling the audience how focused Sasuke is but also how harmful this is to others, saying this is the kind of leader Sasuke would be the one who only focuses on the goal rather than the safety if others. Basically from the story long ago itself, Sasuke is focusing in the oldest deal of ninja in that they always out the mission first not the safety if their comrades. This was problematic in its own deal and one of the reasons naruto refused to be like this, remember in the land if waves arc? Naruto was sad to think that if he ever became strong like Zabuza it would mean becoming emotionless and forgetting others, well this made Zabuza tear up over haku because he was still human despite how much he acted like a tool and Zabuza himself was human all the same.

So sakura is having this hard time stuff for future events. Yes, but does this nessessarily rule her out of the fight completely? No, I mean the most simple minded of people believe that Kishi makes this stuff in a whim and just does it week by week when there is a freaking script for this stuff and it's otherwise planned at least 2 months, maybe more in advance and the chapters themselves are made at least a month in advance, it's like animation or cartoons, they make the whole season like at least half a year to 4 months before the stuff airs nowadays for almost any cartoon. The only ones who actually make episodes in less tha 24 hours I can think of is South Park because the creators actually admitted to this, they did it all the time since one of the early 2000s when they started with Computer animation rather than paper cutouts like the early early seasons.

For sakura herself though yes as said before there could be something set up that will allow her to do something even kagyua didn't expect, that one unexpected move that could turn the tide for them, this could be anything from a pinpoint strike to even destroying the chakra fruit or freeing others from the shinju (if possible) there's no deal knowing what can she can do, but there's also nothing entirely ruling her out, I mean some people still believe hinata will make a difference when the big factor here is still sakura is outside the tree,hinata is trapped with everyone else. And people may not be happy with Sakura's treatment, but honestly it's still better than hinatas with her being infrequent, a jumbled mess, and just plain her big moments involving some forced situation at the expense of others involving injury and even death, it's better than tenten who doesn't even exist as far as the manga is concerned, it's better tha temari who is just always around the sidelines never given a central focus save her fight against shikamaru. It's better than ino who has had even more unknown reasons for liking Sasuke to this point and who's been given a limited role in both when her abilities could be used. Her role has been more based on team 10, not as much of a solo one. Ino is still better than hinata in this case but still fairly uncommon. Karin has been on a few ups and downs and he been both a comical and dramatic character at the points with taka involving her love for Sasuke, when Sasuke became ruthless,her interaction with sugestiu, and jugo. Karin has been on the scale of humor and drama more than any other female if you ask me, I mean sakura has hit naruto a few times but this is the manga and that died a lot I the manga past the hidan and kakuzu arc, it still happens in the anime but remember the anime takes things up to eleven.

As far as things go, even with the current situation, sakura is still open to opportunity in the manga for some event and not entirely ruled out, I mean it doesn't need to be purely main on the battle, it doesn't need to be her hitting kagyua or anything like I said, in battle sometimes it's not about defeating the foe, sometimes it's about outdoing them in some other way, like if the chakra fruit resurfaces and kagyua makes a grab for it but naruto and Sasuke keep getting in the way, because she like Madara is otherwise arrogant, what if sakura reached it first and then destroyed it preventing her from ascending higher? Kagyua would then be vulnerable to naruto and Sasuke, defeated not entirely but their power but for ignoring sakura for too long. This is a simple example of what could happen, I mean it's not bound too but it's still in the realm of realism. It's like if you ever faced a hard boss in a videogame that summons minions to help him, sometimes you focus too much in the boss and end up dying because a minon got you, it's just sometimes a story element where the least likely person or least powerful ends up making a save, I mean in Harry potters end, remember who ended up leaving voldemort mortal? Neville,the one everyone thought was a weak pointless comical loser character, he ended up stopping voldemort a snake and left voldemort mortal for Harry to finish off. This stuff isn't new and is very possible. It's just slow right now because the chapter didn't cover much this week and sakura is just given what some see as out of place worrying about Sasuke not caring when you know as well as I do, this stuff will lead to events with his goals later on and possibly be in favor of well sakura maturing towards naruto by some other forthcoming events, I mean again her displeased with Sasuke will come to conflict with her concern and care for naruto in which something will impact her when Sasuke intends to harm naruto, this is the basic outline of that event, it has been since the land of iron events, it's not like sakura wouldn't care for naruto, if anything more than ever, naruto is more important to her than Sasuke, she isn't going to just let Sasuke harm naruto despite her feelings, well now shaken feelings for Sasuke. This stuff is still in prgress and if anything the current sakura stuff is just building more for it.

[FireFox]

Cover image? I never said that. It's more concerning about the whole story and something we missed our cue. In fact, today's morning, I found out Tobi's words to Naruto being more literal than we thought about chosen fate. What's more weird on how other parts make sense now. The funny thing is I didn't know Hagoromo been confirmed that he chose Ashura and made the tablet way back in the last arc. So how I missed it, I have no idea.

Oh I;m sorry it seems like i misunderstood you i thought you were talking about the cover image   . Then its ok whenever you ready/can just drop those missed cues  but what do you mean about Tobi's words being more literal then we thought  can you go more in depth in here and what panel and chap is this ?  

 

LOL I can't believe you've missed that that doesn't sound like you , that's it mister i sentence you to no gaming for a whole day  .   

 

I still think that cover page or whatever you call that was not for nothing in the last chapter. I mean we saw the similarities ourselves. And we even pointed out the 'pointers' on what could it possibly mean. If that picture means what we pointed out yesterday, then I wonder what is the use of that dragon? It seems to have developed a liking towards Naruto and same with Naruto. He seems to get comfy with the dragon. *cough* *cough* Hashirama's wood dragon *cough* anyone?

Maybe the Dragon represents Kurama or the Bijuu's bc Naruto was playing with him and Hagoromo did said that Naruto is the one who will play with them Naruto has yet to show what he can really do with them . As for Hashirama hmm might be don't know maybe it also means that Naruto will team up with him as well as Sakura and Minato  so these 4 will be one team and the other  will be Sasuke , Kakashi,Tobirama and Sandaime  i think this will be good if it happens i hope it happens  .

Edited by NarutoFireFoxUzumaki, 13 June 2014 - 06:01 PM.

[Nostradamus]

lol I bet if you posted that as a spoiler it would be believable  .

You know I just posted something similar in the predictions thread.

[Don-kun]

 

You know, if people see NS as a bro/sis relationship, they're basically admitting to how close they are. I rarely see anyone refer to NH as the bro/sis because they know they don't display nearly the level of closeness that NS displays. No pairing in the series can touch NS intimacy.

 

lol I bet if you posted that as a spoiler it would be believable  .

 

Is a normal behavior created by reflects, you know someone then you start finding some interested to a point where you want to get more close in hope of a future relationship but the moment you see that person paying more attention to another person you try to delude yourself with the idea of them just being friends, siblings or the other person who is closer to the person of your interest is already in another relationship, those are wall of denial created by your mind in order to avoid accepting defeat.

NH has no real answer to why NS get most of the development with each other, why they are so casual and so close.

 

Another example is SS and the reason why they refuse to accept that Sakura feelings are changing or that Sasuke doesn't care about her or her life, is because for them it will be admitting that Kishimoto is closing the door on SS possibilities.

Edited by Don-kun, 13 June 2014 - 05:54 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Oh I;m sorry it seems like i misunderstood you i thought you were talking about the cover image   . Then its ok whenever you ready/can just drop those missed cues  but what do you mean about Tobi's words being more literal then we thought  can you go more in depth in here and what panel and chap is this ?  
 
LOL I can't believe you've missed that that doesn't sound like you , that's it mister i sentence you to no gaming for a whole day  .   

I'll explain a lot later. I need my pc or even a tablet. But it seems literal when you go to the chapter where Sasuke starts fighting Raikage, bridging Ashura and Indra, Hashirama and Madara, and Naruto and Sasuke. It almost felt like we should have seen it coming, but we probably be like "cool, cool..." As for other stuff I want to discuss, that will be later.

[ramenanmitsu]

You know, if people see NS as a bro/sis relationship, they're basically admitting to how close they are. I rarely see anyone refer to NH as the bro/sis because they know they don't display nearly the level of closeness that NS displays. No pairing in the series can touch.

When it was confirmed that Sakura doesn't love Sasuke romantically anymore, I called them a siblings relationship just to spite SS. But now, I can't even call them like that anymore because their relationship is too bad to be labeled as siblings.

[narusaku256]

Oh I;m sorry it seems like i misunderstood you i thought you were talking about the cover image   . Then its ok whenever you ready/can just drop those missed cues  but what do you mean about Tobi's words being more literal then we though can you go more in depth in here and what panel and chap is this ?  
 
LOL I can't believe you've missed that that doesn't sound like you , that's it mister i sentence you to no gaming for a whole day  .   
 
Maybe the Dragon represents Kurama or the Bijuu's bc Naruto was playing with him and Hagoromo did said that Naruto is the one who will play with them Naruto has yet to show what he can really do with them . As for Hashirama hmm might be don't know maybe it also means that Naruto will team up with him as well as Sakura and Minato  so these 4 will be one team and the other  will be Sasuke , Kakashi,Tobirama and Sandaime  i think this will be good if it happens i hope it happens  .

Maybe this too.

[FireFox]

I'll explain a lot later. I need my pc or even a tablet. But it seems literal when you go to the chapter where Sasuke starts fighting Raikage, bridging Ashura and Indra, Hashirama and Madara, and Naruto and Sasuke. It almost felt like we should have seen it coming, but we probably be like "cool, cool..." As for other stuff I want to discuss, that will be later.

Well i for one knew/expected the Senju , Uciha brothers Ashura and Indra to be brought back in some way sometime in the story that was a given the moment Kishi introduced them like Kaguya but i never did expected for Naruto and Sasuke / Hasirama and Madara to be their reincarnations or hosts  whatever but i see what you mean with things being to literal with that moment . 

[TheFirstEvil100]

I know many are hopping Kishi will do something with Sakura but I think all she will get is to watch this fight, its how I'm feeling right now with what is going on. God she should have been placed in IT at least that way she would not being getting the middle finger that she is right now every chapter or better yet ever arc he keeps going on about how he will do better and he will make her a heroine but all that is, is cheap talk.

 

Right now I feel Sakura should just die a hero like Gray Fox The Boss or Fortune from Metal Gear solid games, I mean I think at least that would be better than what Kishi has been doing to poor Sakura that is how I'm feeling right now, at least with her death it will make Naruto fight harder and show Sasuke is and always will be an A** to everyone.

[FireFox]

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